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i had a question where is everyone getting their pain meds? doctors in my area totally refuse to write a script. and if they do they give you very little. someone i know that is in the health field said the doctors dont write them that much because most of them use them. i have inherinted migraines i get every month . i have tried imitrax and midrin everything. and the only thing that works in darvocet and vicodin. which i very rarely get them so i have to suffer alot with headaches. now they are trying me on zomig. but the only thing unfortunetly is the pain meds. i can see how you can get hooked on them they do make you feel good and want to clean the whole house. just wanting to know how people get these for up to 10yrs and taking them every day when doctors wont perscribe them
I just want to say that this page is unreal.It has touced my heart to read all the things people are going through because of pain killers being used the wrong way.Just look at the name pain KILLERS because used the wrong way thats what they will do to us and all of our famillies.I went from taking vic's every once in a while to taking 30 to 40 a day then to a rehab to get off only to go 2 or 3 oxy's a day after about 6 months clean.It is a very hard thing to do i'm now in a methadone program and down to 20 milligrams a day detoxing 5 miligrams a day i'm going to try the straight life again.And it is still extremly scarie and i think it always will be.I think once you become an addict you always are one you just have to have control and use every tool you can find to cut off that temptation again ask for help from family and friends everyone is always afraid to tell family and freinds about thier failure as an addict but i've found 99% of the time they try to understand and are there for you just give them the benifit of the doubht.they probably will surprise you with i new somthing was wrong and i'm glad your getting help. well just wanted to put my 2 cents in and good luck to all and god bless!!A friend that has been where all of you are or have been or are going just remember its up to you and when you start other things will just seem to fall into place.(:
I just want to say that this page is unreal.It has touced my heart to read all the things people are going through because of pain killers being used the wrong way.Just look at the name pain KILLERS because used the wrong way thats what they will do to us and all of our famillies.I went from taking vic's every once in a while to taking 30 to 40 a day then to a rehab to get off only to go 2 or 3 oxy's a day after about 6 months clean.It is a very hard thing to do i'm now in a methadone program and down to 20 milligrams a day detoxing 5 miligrams a day i'm going to try the straight life again.And it is still extremly scarie and i think it always will be.I think once you become an addict you always are one you just have to have control and use every tool you can find to cut off that temptation again ask for help from family and friends everyone is always afraid to tell family and freinds about thier failure as an addict but i've found 99% of the time they try to understand and are there for you just give them the benifit of the doubht.they probably will surprise you with i new somthing was wrong and i'm glad your getting help. well just wanted to put my 2 cents in and good luck to all and god bless!!A friend that has been where all of you are or have been or are going just remember its up to you and when you start other things will just seem to fall into place.(:
This is a legal question regarding prescription fraud. I have been in recovery for several years now, but during the worst of times, my children were taken from me by Child Protection Services. THey were all placed in the homes of family members. I did everything right to get my life and children back and I am happy to say that I have been clean and sober several 24 hours since then. My question is that the caseworker (who was always giving me an especially hard time even though I was complying with all requirements)was recently arrested for presecription fraud (Vicoden ES). She had used false names, addresses, social security numbers, etc., to obtain these scripts and was finally caught. At first I was angry to hear this news, but as a recovery alcoholic compassion filled my heart for her. My question is could she lose her job for this? I was hoping she wouldn't because after this experience she may be in a far better place to counsel and work with her clients (providing she gets clean). Any ideas?
All of you sound like you have this drug thing figured out. And I can relate to all of you. I have been taking pain meds on and off(more on than off) now for almost 20 years, and befor that a pot smoker. For the last 3 years I have been taking percodan. I have cut way back on them now partly because I was fearful my doctor would cut me off and partly because I know what they are doing to me. I do suffer from migrains but very few, much less than I tell my doctor about or my wife. About a year ago I stopped taking them as much. I was taking about 120 pills a month. Now I take 50 about every two months. When I get them I will go through them in about two weeks. Then stay strait till my next doctors visit(in about 7 weeks)I have found that the bigest catch with these drugs are that they give you a way to feel, a way to stimulate your mind, and all you have to do is put a pill in your mouth. It is human nature to want to stimulate you mind somehow, to feel a certain emotion. Without drugs this takes reall work.
Without drugs- To fell a sence of accomplishment. One might take up a hoby, or seek a rewarding career. With drugs you can just take a pill and sit back or do something small around the house. That is just one of many examples.
After you take them for a long time you loose the ability to become self-motivated. The only way you know to feel anything is to just take your pill of chioce. Thats why when you stop them you don't feel anything, you just want to lay around the house and not face up to anything. When quiting drugs it is a whole reshaping of how you conduct your life. You have to learn how to feel happy, concerned, interested, motivated feel love. Any emotion you can posibly think of has to be relearned, all over again or sometimes even learned for the first time. It is a hard battle but I can say this. When you achieve happyness on you own rather than with drugs it is a deeper feeling, a feeling of treu happyness not the fake happyness from some drug.
My precription will come in 3 weeks and I will take it again. I am just now doing things without the drugs and doing well, but I look forward to that next fix. I hope some day I will get sick of this rollercoaster ride and quit but I am just not ready yet.
Success to all of you
Without drugs- To fell a sence of accomplishment. One might take up a hoby, or seek a rewarding career. With drugs you can just take a pill and sit back or do something small around the house. That is just one of many examples.
After you take them for a long time you loose the ability to become self-motivated. The only way you know to feel anything is to just take your pill of chioce. Thats why when you stop them you don't feel anything, you just want to lay around the house and not face up to anything. When quiting drugs it is a whole reshaping of how you conduct your life. You have to learn how to feel happy, concerned, interested, motivated feel love. Any emotion you can posibly think of has to be relearned, all over again or sometimes even learned for the first time. It is a hard battle but I can say this. When you achieve happyness on you own rather than with drugs it is a deeper feeling, a feeling of treu happyness not the fake happyness from some drug.
My precription will come in 3 weeks and I will take it again. I am just now doing things without the drugs and doing well, but I look forward to that next fix. I hope some day I will get sick of this rollercoaster ride and quit but I am just not ready yet.
Success to all of you
I don't know the answer to your question Mikey...but post it up closer to the top of the board...just tag onto another discussion if the board won't allow you to post...I don't think many people will be looking down here. Mike P.
I passed a phoney script about a year and a half ago. I really did need the perc's but was unable to see my regular doctor for a couple of days. I had broken a couple ribs and was just totaly out of it, going crazy with pain. I
ended up geting a ligitement perscription for the pain from a doctor the same day the police ended up at my door asking questions. To make a longstory short i spent a week in jail, mad a huge mistake and now i am having open nee surgery any day and have been dealing with the pain for about 3-4 month's with some help from percocet,darvocet and ox. My question is will my miss-hap from the forged perscription witch i have been paying for since, show up in my medical records and is it possable that my primary surgen issometimes hasty about geving something for pain due to my past.If so is that legal, is he/she able do that if a pataint is really having pain and is not tring to abuse "pain killers". Thanks for any help with question MIKEY>
ended up geting a ligitement perscription for the pain from a doctor the same day the police ended up at my door asking questions. To make a longstory short i spent a week in jail, mad a huge mistake and now i am having open nee surgery any day and have been dealing with the pain for about 3-4 month's with some help from percocet,darvocet and ox. My question is will my miss-hap from the forged perscription witch i have been paying for since, show up in my medical records and is it possable that my primary surgen issometimes hasty about geving something for pain due to my past.If so is that legal, is he/she able do that if a pataint is really having pain and is not tring to abuse "pain killers". Thanks for any help with question MIKEY>
Yes my husband & I feel terrible about this situation the Dr. is in...We wish we could make this better for him, if there was anything in the world we could do we WOULD DO IT...I never begged for a script , I didnt have to..Neither did anyone else in his office...I do not blame him, he however does blame himself for many things..Hewas giving me 3 scripts a week for 3 different Narcotics, (Percocet, Lorcet & Oxy).I asked many times to get off only to be told I needed to stay on them for now for the pain..I do have & always will have real pain & physical scars,longer then my forarm..I like this Dr & always will,he will treat my husband & myself (of course no scripts for me-Narcoticts ) & only non narcotics for my spouse..My husband was told by this Dr. to go to his family Dr & explain the suituation & have him give him his pain meds...I hope you do not think I am uncaring, I am not...I am a very loving person & hope I will always be that way..
Sandi
Sandi
tell me something, how do you feel about your doctor being busted?
I will be a little disappointed if you and your husband don't express at least some regret for what's about to happen to him. Ever wondered what it would be like to get investigated by the DEA?
After all, didn't you "beg' him every week with your eyes and voice, the way all of us do, to get that life-saving script? Didn't you thank god every time you walked out of his office with that stuff?
It would be nice if you and your husband felt at least co-responsible for his predicament. Doctors are human beings. They respond to the pain of others with whatever they have that will help. And they all know what they risk when they refill these controlled substances again and again. I'm sure he isn't a quack. I'm sure he gave you the benefit of the doubt, week after week. And now he may lose his license. Nice. None of us are victims in this life of ours. We know what we're doing. Don't think for a second that any of us are innocent.
For over a decade, I shamelessly cultivated friendships with MD's and then used them for all they were worth. It's the thing I regret most about the life I have led. I don't expect you to go to jail for your doctor, but at least you could show some kind of sympathy for someone who certainly showed you sympathy at the risk of his license. And remember, if you hadn't forged a stolen script, something your doctor had no part in, he wouldn't be in this trouble.
I refused to rat on my doctors. In my case, however, they weren't really offering me much of a deal to turn them in. But I knew only too well how calculated all my interactions had been with my MDs.
What do you think, Sandi? Am I being too hard on you?
I will be a little disappointed if you and your husband don't express at least some regret for what's about to happen to him. Ever wondered what it would be like to get investigated by the DEA?
After all, didn't you "beg' him every week with your eyes and voice, the way all of us do, to get that life-saving script? Didn't you thank god every time you walked out of his office with that stuff?
It would be nice if you and your husband felt at least co-responsible for his predicament. Doctors are human beings. They respond to the pain of others with whatever they have that will help. And they all know what they risk when they refill these controlled substances again and again. I'm sure he isn't a quack. I'm sure he gave you the benefit of the doubt, week after week. And now he may lose his license. Nice. None of us are victims in this life of ours. We know what we're doing. Don't think for a second that any of us are innocent.
For over a decade, I shamelessly cultivated friendships with MD's and then used them for all they were worth. It's the thing I regret most about the life I have led. I don't expect you to go to jail for your doctor, but at least you could show some kind of sympathy for someone who certainly showed you sympathy at the risk of his license. And remember, if you hadn't forged a stolen script, something your doctor had no part in, he wouldn't be in this trouble.
I refused to rat on my doctors. In my case, however, they weren't really offering me much of a deal to turn them in. But I knew only too well how calculated all my interactions had been with my MDs.
What do you think, Sandi? Am I being too hard on you?
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Sandi
Sandi
Can any of you guys please post something so we can maybe talk one on one by IM? I have aol and i really need to talk to someone who knows a lot about the amount of oxy's and lortabs i'm taking and just to generally talk about what i'm going to do and how???? PLEASE GET BACK TO ME ASAP IT'S 10-6-2000 1:41PM I'M REALLY DESPERATE TO TALK TO SOMEONE AND FOR SOME HELP! THANKS ANN
Congradulations! You are on the right track now. Believe me when I tell you that things can only get better now that you have your head screwed on right. You are going to be involved in a lot of decision making soon and you need to "be there" without the drugs making your decisions for you. They give you a false sense of reality and are temporary at best. The phony presription problem is an example of the insanity drugs create in your life. What's next, rob a liquor store? Believe me I've thought about it when I was using. Do the right thing and fly straight and best of luck to you! I'm in your corner.
HI,
Well I met with a criminal atty this am & he advised I WILL NOT be arrested for this..He also advised the DEA will not investigate me but will be investigating the Dr...He (atty) was able to talk with a friend last night who works for the DEA & was told this Dr.has been investigated before & will more then likely lose his license to write scripts..The Dr would literally give me 1 script per week for 100 tabs-I the "addict" took the script, filled it & took the pills...The atty also said there would be no jail time & maybe probation becuase of the circumstances,& of course there will be a fine.....And since I am going to my 1st meeting Sunday it looks better on me....Thankyou for everything, hope to stay in touch (maybe daily?)...
Sandi
Well I met with a criminal atty this am & he advised I WILL NOT be arrested for this..He also advised the DEA will not investigate me but will be investigating the Dr...He (atty) was able to talk with a friend last night who works for the DEA & was told this Dr.has been investigated before & will more then likely lose his license to write scripts..The Dr would literally give me 1 script per week for 100 tabs-I the "addict" took the script, filled it & took the pills...The atty also said there would be no jail time & maybe probation becuase of the circumstances,& of course there will be a fine.....And since I am going to my 1st meeting Sunday it looks better on me....Thankyou for everything, hope to stay in touch (maybe daily?)...
Sandi
Hey! These guys have given you excellent advise, take it! There is NO WAY you can get off narcotics, especially cold turkey & take care of a baby! You don't even feel like moving! Not to mention preparing meals, giving attention, playing & even patience. It will make it much harder on you & harder on your baby if you do it the way you're planning too. But, I can sit here & tell you this all day & it will probably do no good, you'll find out for yourself the first day you don't take a pill! You'll realize there is no choice there to be made. I gradually decreased my pills & I felt horrible! If my b/f hadn't been there to take care of our daughter I would've had to have taken her to my Mother's, that is if I could've gotten out of bed! She wouldn't have known the reason why Mommy wasn't showing her any attention & short fused, she would've just known I wasn't. You never answered me when I wrote before asking why you were so desperate to quit & why you were so scared of a doctor finding out. I want you to know I just want to know why so I can try to help you & give you support, no other reason... You sound like you're in my same situation. All the signs are pointing that way. You seem too scared about quitting & that a doctor could find out. I mean, why would you go to a doctor in the first place if you're not planning on getting a doctor's help & trying to hide it from him. Why go in the first place? Are you pregnant? If you are, I feel for you, you know that. It's a horrible & embarrassing situation to be in, but definitley not a hard one to get into. If you are, please do yourself a favor & GET IT OUT! I lived in fear for months & once I just told the people on here about it, it made me feel so much better. And when I told my doctor, I felt even better. I went through hell trying to figure out a way to hide it from my doctor when I went. If I hadn't come on here & spilled the beans & gotten all this great advise & support, that's probably what I would've done! Please don't be embarrassed, it can happen to anyone. The best thing you can do is face it & then deal with it, no matter how hard it might be. I know first hand, it's tough. You don't want people to look down on you or think you're a bad person. I know no woman would hurt her baby if it was that easy to quit, it's hard. But, the main reason I wanted to know if you're pregnant or not is because if you quit cold turkey, it might cause you to have a miscarriage. PLEASE DO IT GRADUALLY! Tell your doctor if you run out of drugs & you have to stop cold turkey! Your doctor won't let you. That came directly from my doctor, surprisingly it wasn't new to her. She said, the main concern when pregnant women are addicted to narcotics is, the withdrawal the baby will suffer after birth & the Mother trying to stop cold turkey while pregnant! Your baby is addicted to right now. She said I did it the right way, please get the help you deserve. If I'm wrong & you're not pregnant, sorry. It just sounds like it to me, being in the same situation. I'm here for you.
Love You,
Mariah
PS If you don't want to talk about it on here yet, you can always write to me & we can talk that way. ***@****
Love You,
Mariah
PS If you don't want to talk about it on here yet, you can always write to me & we can talk that way. ***@****
HI,
I have made contact for my 1st meeting this Sunday...Also My husband & I confided in my best friend,who thankfully will be there for us no matter what...I do feel as though I am being honest with myself & finally have admitted that I am an addict, to me that was my 1st step in a long line of them..As to being honest with my family-not untill I start receiving help..I need to prove to myself & them I can do this..I have been clean for 3 days now & the withdraw is thankfully not that bad..The cravings are there but I just keep thinking about what is at stake & it helps..I was able to get off Percocet by myself years ago & it was worse then this..I am not trying to make excuses but I have to consider ALL that is involved...This place is a place to be honest & not hide anything,( atleast as far as I am concerned)..I thankyou very much for your posting..
I have made contact for my 1st meeting this Sunday...Also My husband & I confided in my best friend,who thankfully will be there for us no matter what...I do feel as though I am being honest with myself & finally have admitted that I am an addict, to me that was my 1st step in a long line of them..As to being honest with my family-not untill I start receiving help..I need to prove to myself & them I can do this..I have been clean for 3 days now & the withdraw is thankfully not that bad..The cravings are there but I just keep thinking about what is at stake & it helps..I was able to get off Percocet by myself years ago & it was worse then this..I am not trying to make excuses but I have to consider ALL that is involved...This place is a place to be honest & not hide anything,( atleast as far as I am concerned)..I thankyou very much for your posting..
I find this a very fascinating subject. I was almost willing to try some of this fraud, but from reading I know I will probably get caught. Tell me a little about you guys stories. Did you get away with it at all and if so how did you go about doing it. Don't worry I won't be taking this to the bank. But these stories absolutely fascinate me. Joan
O.K., your life is on the line here and you do need help. This is the time to get honest with yourself and your family. No, you probably cannot do it alone and you can't hide it either at this point. There are always a million excuses why you can't detox and stay sober and I've heard them all.
I know a girl who was addicted to crack and was also a loan officer for a well known loan company. She got busted after embezzeling $26000 dollars. She served no jail time for this and is now in the process of paying her former employer back. She went through the same program I went through and is back with her life and family. Don't make excuses or you might lose everything you ever thought you had. Also, help comes from strange places when you need it. At my first NA meeting I was shocked to see the chief of police chairing the meeting!
P.S. I live in Indiana.
I know a girl who was addicted to crack and was also a loan officer for a well known loan company. She got busted after embezzeling $26000 dollars. She served no jail time for this and is now in the process of paying her former employer back. She went through the same program I went through and is back with her life and family. Don't make excuses or you might lose everything you ever thought you had. Also, help comes from strange places when you need it. At my first NA meeting I was shocked to see the chief of police chairing the meeting!
P.S. I live in Indiana.
I know the terror you are feeling! I was caught "red handed" when I got busted while leaving the pharmacy. In my case, my wife had to post bail for me. I live in a small rural community where everyone knows everyone's business. I simply agreed to go into detox at the hospital and go through 21 days of drug and alcohol rehab classes plus 90 NA and AA meetings. It was tough but was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. All charges were dropped, thank God! I had no criminal record which was a big plus in my favor.
The guilt, the embarassment, the fear and shame is enough to keep me from doing this stupid insane thing again! I hope things work out for you for the best. You just never know how things will turn out. I think Tom gave you a worst case scenario and I have given you a best case scenario. Stay calm and be focused and be prepared!
The guilt, the embarassment, the fear and shame is enough to keep me from doing this stupid insane thing again! I hope things work out for you for the best. You just never know how things will turn out. I think Tom gave you a worst case scenario and I have given you a best case scenario. Stay calm and be focused and be prepared!
Thankyou for your response...Were you caught with one script or were there more? YOu served no jail time? And detox in a hospital,I dont think I could do that..I have my daughter to take care of & my husband works, I am a stay at home mom..I am very scared & very ashamed & just dont know what will happen..My life feels like it will be over & I will lose my daughter & my family..I can not tell my parents, my mom is wheelchair bound & they both know I had a problem years ago, and did assume I was on something a few months ago, I of course denied it..They would never forgive me for this one & my mom is not able to take care of my daughter while my husband is at work..I will need to confide in someone asap..If you dont mind me asking , what state do you live in? I hope you post to me soon...
Thankyou I am very scared....
Thankyou I am very scared....
I just read your posting & I hope you can help me....Please I am fearful that I will be arrested & lose all I have....Sandi
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