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physically addicted
does anyone know how many days it takes for your body to become physically addicted to pain meds? also if youve been taking them for yrs and had times youve been thru wd does the time to become physically addicted become faster?? Thanks
great post greebo
there is an article in the health pages concerning dopamine and addiction...people who flood their brain with large doses are usually gonna have a tougher time
example: 2 users...both take 10 pills a day/say hydro/doesnt matter..the one who take 2 twfive times a day would have aneasier time with wds that the one who took 5 pills at a time twice a day..it floods the brain/high doses/fast access doses like snorting, chewing, IV use/cauing the brain to form new receptors to handle the sudden overload of endorphins on the brain...
these receptors we build never go away/they may lay dormant after a few months without being fed/but initially they r craving to be fed...which is the main reason people relapse/it is the mental component/those hungry receptors and u have cut off their "food" and depression gets the person..they cave and use///even after the physcial part is over..cos they r so tired and depressed..understanding is the key to pulling urself out of this cruddola
AA's slogan of 90 meetings in 90 days has a physical/mental reasoning behind it..90 days is the length of time our brain needs to heal enuf to fight off this doomer feeling..aftercare is often what makes or breaks someone in the initial few months
shake it off..get back on track..and keep posting..lots of support and knowledge here....good luck to u
there is an article in the health pages concerning dopamine and addiction...people who flood their brain with large doses are usually gonna have a tougher time
example: 2 users...both take 10 pills a day/say hydro/doesnt matter..the one who take 2 twfive times a day would have aneasier time with wds that the one who took 5 pills at a time twice a day..it floods the brain/high doses/fast access doses like snorting, chewing, IV use/cauing the brain to form new receptors to handle the sudden overload of endorphins on the brain...
these receptors we build never go away/they may lay dormant after a few months without being fed/but initially they r craving to be fed...which is the main reason people relapse/it is the mental component/those hungry receptors and u have cut off their "food" and depression gets the person..they cave and use///even after the physcial part is over..cos they r so tired and depressed..understanding is the key to pulling urself out of this cruddola
AA's slogan of 90 meetings in 90 days has a physical/mental reasoning behind it..90 days is the length of time our brain needs to heal enuf to fight off this doomer feeling..aftercare is often what makes or breaks someone in the initial few months
shake it off..get back on track..and keep posting..lots of support and knowledge here....good luck to u
Time for some technical talk... One of the things which increases "dependence" is a spike in drug blood plasma levels. Addicts do this on purpose to get a "high". They do it by Snorting (Very fast delivery), IV Injections, Chewing up meds and taking on an empty stomach.
The above all produce the most amount of drug in the blood in an attempt to get a buzz. These spikes are one of the reasons we addicts get hooked faster than a COMPLIANT Chronic Pain Patient.
Being compliant means they take only as directed. The goal of compliance is to maintain an even blood plasma at the minimum amount to treat PAIN and NOT to produce euphoria (a high).
Since the blood plasma levels are lower, the levels of dopamine at the synaptic cleft do not spike so the receptor sites do not downregulate or decrease in number in response to the initially MUCH higher level of dopamine released as a result of spiking.
Addictive dosing behaviors, the large doses associated to Spike the blood plasma level, vs the lower low dosing and more often which is the KEY factor to the physical changes the brain makes which cause dependency.
Dependency is the actual physical changes to your body which cause withdrawal. Addiction is the BEHAVIOR of taking the drugs to get high, not as prescribed, and when not needed for clinical reasons. It is the un-manageable behaviors associated with lack of control.
Which comes first... Dependence or addiction? Usually it's addiction, but it can be the other way, but the key issue which causes the progression of addiction are the behaviors.
Addiction is what makes you take more and more, spiking doses, etc. This in turn increases dependence. The higher your dependence the higher the tollerance... Round and round you go. The addiction merry-go-round.
How to break the cycle? The only way is to change the behavior. That is a very difficult thing. Pain is usually a very good motivator. So is Euphoria. When the pain out weighs the euphoria one starts to consider breaking the cycle. Unfortunately the pain being eliminated by the drug is a driving force. Then the addict associated the RELIEF of th pain to the drug instead of the drug being the CAUSE of the pain.
The above all produce the most amount of drug in the blood in an attempt to get a buzz. These spikes are one of the reasons we addicts get hooked faster than a COMPLIANT Chronic Pain Patient.
Being compliant means they take only as directed. The goal of compliance is to maintain an even blood plasma at the minimum amount to treat PAIN and NOT to produce euphoria (a high).
Since the blood plasma levels are lower, the levels of dopamine at the synaptic cleft do not spike so the receptor sites do not downregulate or decrease in number in response to the initially MUCH higher level of dopamine released as a result of spiking.
Addictive dosing behaviors, the large doses associated to Spike the blood plasma level, vs the lower low dosing and more often which is the KEY factor to the physical changes the brain makes which cause dependency.
Dependency is the actual physical changes to your body which cause withdrawal. Addiction is the BEHAVIOR of taking the drugs to get high, not as prescribed, and when not needed for clinical reasons. It is the un-manageable behaviors associated with lack of control.
Which comes first... Dependence or addiction? Usually it's addiction, but it can be the other way, but the key issue which causes the progression of addiction are the behaviors.
Addiction is what makes you take more and more, spiking doses, etc. This in turn increases dependence. The higher your dependence the higher the tollerance... Round and round you go. The addiction merry-go-round.
How to break the cycle? The only way is to change the behavior. That is a very difficult thing. Pain is usually a very good motivator. So is Euphoria. When the pain out weighs the euphoria one starts to consider breaking the cycle. Unfortunately the pain being eliminated by the drug is a driving force. Then the addict associated the RELIEF of th pain to the drug instead of the drug being the CAUSE of the pain.
This post turned int a "definition of addiction" when in fact it is the [poster who needs help
I am with catuf on this one..true addiction is a disease in a way..it doesnt go away..it my go into remission and lurk in ur brain waiting to bit u when life throws crud at u...to me it is a learned coping mechanism called "escape" and that craving will always be there if u dont do the work u need to do on urself...it may sit there for yrs without relapse..but a break up, a dicorce, loss of a job, damn sometimes it can just be the rain...it is never ever gone...u can control it if u do the work..but u can not "make it go away"
Mentioned above.."If u were once an addict, then it is easy to become one again" fact is u never stopped being an addict...and we r all different..u never said u were an addict only that u run outa pills early,,,some would say that is an addiction right there..then there r those who go to a dr who will prescribe bu11 loads of narcotics or benzos for a price/and they take them as prescribed so "they r not an addict"?
The word "ADDICT" is tough to define..if u r one then u know it deep down..pills begin to cause stress and depression//just taint no fun anymore..they control u/and only the user knows this...and only the user can come to terms with it
But in reality/a true addict can never "successfully" use..but again we r all different...just stating statistics..there r a few out there who may think they r using successfully...and I hope they r..but this is a lifetime thing/addiction is/and someone can crash and burn at any given second//so it is hard tosay an addict is truly using successfully cos u cant c the future..wished we could but we cant..keep posting
I am with catuf on this one..true addiction is a disease in a way..it doesnt go away..it my go into remission and lurk in ur brain waiting to bit u when life throws crud at u...to me it is a learned coping mechanism called "escape" and that craving will always be there if u dont do the work u need to do on urself...it may sit there for yrs without relapse..but a break up, a dicorce, loss of a job, damn sometimes it can just be the rain...it is never ever gone...u can control it if u do the work..but u can not "make it go away"
Mentioned above.."If u were once an addict, then it is easy to become one again" fact is u never stopped being an addict...and we r all different..u never said u were an addict only that u run outa pills early,,,some would say that is an addiction right there..then there r those who go to a dr who will prescribe bu11 loads of narcotics or benzos for a price/and they take them as prescribed so "they r not an addict"?
The word "ADDICT" is tough to define..if u r one then u know it deep down..pills begin to cause stress and depression//just taint no fun anymore..they control u/and only the user knows this...and only the user can come to terms with it
But in reality/a true addict can never "successfully" use..but again we r all different...just stating statistics..there r a few out there who may think they r using successfully...and I hope they r..but this is a lifetime thing/addiction is/and someone can crash and burn at any given second//so it is hard tosay an addict is truly using successfully cos u cant c the future..wished we could but we cant..keep posting
Also, again, sorry to keep beating this....your post stated:
This was the question:
"does anyone know how many days it takes for your body to become physically addicted to pain meds?"
You answered- "1 pill"
...if you read my initial post, i didn't answer that question...i answered his second question...
This was the question:
"does anyone know how many days it takes for your body to become physically addicted to pain meds?"
You answered- "1 pill"
...if you read my initial post, i didn't answer that question...i answered his second question...
Sorry for hijacking this post and I mean no disrecept to anyone, especially to you Traycee...we are all here, trying to help one another out...neither of us are here because we're getting paid or have any alterior motives, but because we're really just trying to provide our experiences and beliefs...i truly do believe, for someone using for "years", 1 pill DOES cause someone to get physically addicted...i speak for myself....and no one else.
I have been trying to get clean for months now and everytime i get close to or at 30 days, something in my body just "goes wrong" and I end up in the ER....i'm not going to go into details as to my health condition, but 1 shot or 1 pill does cause my mind, body to say, "hey, that was good...i want some more"...whether or not it's done consciously or sub-consciously, the fact of the matter is, it took "1" to get me hooked again...
I'm not saying everyone is the same, but for someone hooked for "years", i truly do believe it takes "1" pill to get someone physically dependant again...that's just my opninion...at least, my experience.....
i'm now, almost 3 weeks clean....i'm praying and hoping my body doesnt give up again so i don't have to take that "1" pill again...
Nick....
I have been trying to get clean for months now and everytime i get close to or at 30 days, something in my body just "goes wrong" and I end up in the ER....i'm not going to go into details as to my health condition, but 1 shot or 1 pill does cause my mind, body to say, "hey, that was good...i want some more"...whether or not it's done consciously or sub-consciously, the fact of the matter is, it took "1" to get me hooked again...
I'm not saying everyone is the same, but for someone hooked for "years", i truly do believe it takes "1" pill to get someone physically dependant again...that's just my opninion...at least, my experience.....
i'm now, almost 3 weeks clean....i'm praying and hoping my body doesnt give up again so i don't have to take that "1" pill again...
Nick....
i agree with corey, truth is truth. There is dependant and addiction. I do not think a drug addict can controll there using and IMO there is no exception to the rule. I do however beleive someone how is dependant can controll because they DEPEND on having the drug all the time therefore can not risk running out early by doing the addict behavior of over takin. If there is an addict that can take their meds only as presribed I would think they be consired dependant. I am not tryin to start a bashing thing here with anyone and not calling anyone anything they say they are not.
A person can be dependent and physically addicted but that does not make them an addict. An addict can not control their usage of their DOC.
an addict can not controll there using! Taking them only as needed is the ability we lack, thats why we are addicts. Good luck, and try to stop now if you can : )
The other answer is yes it does come faster and if you have only had a few days clean then you can become physically addicted with just 1 pill
This was the question:
"does anyone know how many days it takes for your body to become physically addicted to pain meds?"
You answered- "1 pill"
the correct answer is:
NO! you will not be physically addicted after taking 1 pill.
This not my opinion. This is FACT
To twizted- sorry to hijack your thread
"does anyone know how many days it takes for your body to become physically addicted to pain meds?"
You answered- "1 pill"
the correct answer is:
NO! you will not be physically addicted after taking 1 pill.
This not my opinion. This is FACT
To twizted- sorry to hijack your thread
the poster stated, "taking them for yrs and had times youve been thru wd "...
Someone taking pills for years and having gone through WDs, yes I do believe it takes 1 pill to get physically addicted. 1 leads to 2, 2 leads to 4, 4 leads to 8...etc..
Sorry, just my opinion.
Someone taking pills for years and having gone through WDs, yes I do believe it takes 1 pill to get physically addicted. 1 leads to 2, 2 leads to 4, 4 leads to 8...etc..
Sorry, just my opinion.
ImGettingClean-
you dont become physically addicted after 1 pill
If you take opiates everyday for a few weeks you will feel some withdrawals when you suddenly stop. Your body has become dependant.
and, yes... once youve been addicted it is much easier to become addicted again.
Hope this help.
Good Luck!
you dont become physically addicted after 1 pill
If you take opiates everyday for a few weeks you will feel some withdrawals when you suddenly stop. Your body has become dependant.
and, yes... once youve been addicted it is much easier to become addicted again.
Hope this help.
Good Luck!
i get my meds 1 a month sometimes they are gone really fast last month wd was so so bad got my refills 5 days ago and can see where its going need the meds for pain but really dont want to go thru that againwill stop for a few days tomorrow and try and take them only when in severe pain.....hopefully
once your addicted, you're addicted. once you're truly addicted, the addiction never goes away, but it can be put into remission. being in remission is not at all like returning to pre-admission - - - ANY use can simply reactivate the addiction.
upon reactivation of the addiction, the level of use doesn't build slowly like it did the first time. instead, the addict finds himself almost imediately using at the past high levels and beyond.
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upon reactivation of the addiction, the level of use doesn't build slowly like it did the first time. instead, the addict finds himself almost imediately using at the past high levels and beyond.
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It depends on how MUCH you are taking and for how long...
And, if you've been thru withdrawl before then relapsed the time it takes to get back up to your (original) using dose takes NO TIME AT ALL.. and... you run the risk of going OVER your (original) dose... REALLY FAST!
It's a vicious cycle that ONLY GETS WORSE WITH TIME.. sooooo.... with that said... PLEASE STOP NOW...
And, if you've been thru withdrawl before then relapsed the time it takes to get back up to your (original) using dose takes NO TIME AT ALL.. and... you run the risk of going OVER your (original) dose... REALLY FAST!
It's a vicious cycle that ONLY GETS WORSE WITH TIME.. sooooo.... with that said... PLEASE STOP NOW...
Q: if youve been taking them for yrs and had times youve been thru wd does the time to become physically addicted become faster??
A: Absolutely!!!! All it takes is 1 pill
Are you qutting or thinking of quitting?
A: Absolutely!!!! All it takes is 1 pill
Are you qutting or thinking of quitting?
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