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same taper plan if you snort???
I snort the oyxcodone and after reading some taper plans does it make any difference if you snort?
Dove
Dove
you could go cold turkey.. I've seen it happen, oh wait I did it.. Once I decided I wanted that monkey off my back, I couldn't do it fast enough. I wanted to feel normal again so bad.. It's like being in labor, sometimes if the labor is progressing quickly they suggest that the woman not take the epidural, because it may slow the process down. Fast and Painful, or Slow and less painful, and more risk? If your an addict, it can be pretty damn hard to use drugs successfully. You may find yourself justifying a pill or two more for a vareity of excuses that you like to call 'reasons' Pull it off like a band-aid. QUICK, QUICK, QUICK. I don't know about you, but my life depended on that decision I made and sticking by it. If you could control your use of oxy's then what's the problem? Have you tried to cut down before? What makes you think this time will be different?
Dove I can sympathize on your situation of the five years that I have had my ups and downs with prescriptions meds. eg, percs, tylox, loratab, and now Oxy's. I have yet to have swollowed one pill. Yeah thats right of the tens of thousands of pills in have put into my body I have never swollowed one. I just dread the day that I have to have an xray or ct of my sinuses or head. I am not bragging by saying that but my heart does go out to you because the crushing, lining up, and snorting become a part of the addiction. I know that when I go without like right now its almost as if my nose is craving powder! When I was hooked on hydro I would actually be so low as to snort a tylenol to keep my nose from pouring and going all to hell. I am by no mean suggesting this I am just stating my stupidity. Keep your head up YOu can do this. I am almost on day eight now from three oc 80's a day. Never thought Id say that I always figured I would die and probably go to hell with this demon on my shoulder. Just keep posting the ppl here are helpful and will give you great advice and when youre goin all to hell the might even knock some sense back into you! lol.
THATS HARD TO DO!!!! DEALING WITH ALL THIS PAIN WHEN YOU CAN JUST TAKE A LINE AND FEEL FINE!!!
they may not subside until you have all of the pain meds out of your system for a few weeks...You are right no more snorting the pills .... I agree with IBK i have yet to see a pill bottle that says anything about snorting the pills every 4 to 6 hours :) You can do this ...
My taper plan is to get down by next week to 30mgs. I'm told I should stop the snorting, so I don't know how that will effect me. So I hope in 3 weeks to be clean but I also want the panic attacks and depression to subside.
Dove
Dove
the panic attacks and depression happen durning detox ...... what is your taper plan it really helps a hole lot to have one along with a quit date.
I do want to stop. I have cut my dosage and I'm concerned about my mental state of mind. I'm having little panic attacks and getting depressed.
Dove
Dove
You are never in too deep to get out. Remember that. You can ask anything you want....someone will always be here to help you.
I worry about you because I see you here for a little while now and I know you want to stop. Pleae keep coming back, and please keep asking questions.
I worry about you because I see you here for a little while now and I know you want to stop. Pleae keep coming back, and please keep asking questions.
Your right, I have never heard of snorting a pill and I'm sorry I got myself in so deep. I don't know what I was thinking or even thinking at all when I started this. This started by just wanting a few valium to help me relax and get to sleep. Thanks for your imput.
Dove
Dove
Ask and you shall recieve...XOXO--Stephanie
Time for some technical talk... One of the things which increases "dependence" is a spike in drug blood plasma levels. Addicts do this on purpose to get a "high". They do it by Snorting (Very fast delivery), IV Injections, Chewing up meds and taking on an empty stomach.
The above all produce the most amount of drug in the blood in an attempt to get a buzz. These spikes are one of the reasons we addicts get hooked faster than a COMPLIANT Chronic Pain Patient.
Being compliant means they take only as directed. The goal of compliance is to maintain an even blood plasma at the minimum amount to treat PAIN and NOT to produce euphoria (a high).
Since the blood plasma levels are lower, the levels of dopamine at the synaptic cleft do not spike so the receptor sites do not downregulate or decrease in number in response to the initially MUCH higher level of dopamine released as a result of spiking.
Addictive dosing behaviors, the large doses associated to Spike the blood plasma level, vs the lower low dosing and more often which is the KEY factor to the physical changes the brain makes which cause dependency.
Dependency is the actual physical changes to your body which cause withdrawal. Addiction is the BEHAVIOR of taking the drugs to get high, not as prescribed, and when not needed for clinical reasons. It is the un-manageable behaviors associated with lack of control.
Which comes first... Dependence or addiction? Usually it's addiction, but it can be the other way, but the key issue which causes the progression of addiction are the behaviors.
Addiction is what makes you take more and more, spiking doses, etc. This in turn increases dependence. The higher your dependence the higher the tollerance... Round and round you go. The addiction merry-go-round.
How to break the cycle? The only way is to change the behavior. That is a very difficult thing. Pain is usually a very good motivator. So is Euphoria. When the pain out weighs the euphoria one starts to consider breaking the cycle. Unfortunately the pain being eliminated by the drug is a driving force. Then the addict associated the RELIEF of th pain to the drug instead of the drug being the CAUSE of the pain.
SOoooooooo what to do? Break the cycle.
Many have to hit bottom to do that. That's the point where the pain of using overwhelms the relief of using. It's an emotional point which is different for different people. Not every one has to hit a bottom to quit. The sooner you quit the less pain and suffering you have to experience.
For folks who are on smaller doses and their disease has not progressed very far, they have not felt the extent of pain addiction can cause. Only conceptualizing how bad it can get may not be good enough to motivate a person early in addiction to quit.
Intellectually we know what lays ahead. We hear the truth from others, but yet we continue to use. It is not until we get a glimpse of the pain that lays ahead do we become to believe we need to quit. One HAS to believe that in fact addiction does lead to the loss of everything and eventually Jails Institutions and Death.
Addiction is a lot easier to nip in the bud physically but maybe not emotionally because one has not experienced the pain first hand. Some need more pain than others to quit. Some don't make it and end up end stage and their addiction wins.
If you want to get off of the pills you have to change your behavior.
1) STOP SNORTING your pills!
2) Stop spiking your dose!
3) stop taking enough to get high
You will never quit until you do that. Weather you can or not is up to you.
You have to come to a point where you make the decision you want to quit. The en you have to make a plan then you have to execute that plan. SIMPLE .... but not easy.
The solution from a clinical point of view for you at your point of addiction is so easy. A simple taper, and change the behavior. In short break the cycle.
How to do a taper is easy. Changing the behavior is the HARD part, but you have to want to change.
If you are taking 6 pills a day... then start taking them in even doses and don't take like 3-4 at a time. 24 hrs divided by 6 = 4 hrs. So only take one pill every 4 hrs. Then take 5 pills in 24 hrs. That's 4.8 hrs. Then 4 pills a day... break pills into 1/2's so you have 8 1/2 pills. and take 1/2 a pill every 3 hrs. Etc.
If you can't stick to a taper give the pills to a friend to dispense.
Mean while .. you have to start changing the way you think and the things you do... You should educate yourself... Good place to do all of that is NA or AA. It's FREE and takes up time. It forces you to be doing something other than sitting around with nothing to do and just thinking about using.
It's not the only way, but it's a good place to start. Take what you need from it, and leave the rest.
If you take the same amount or less every day and don't spike your dose you will eventually quit.
30 mg of Hydro can be tapered to 0 in 2-4 weeks painlessly. The PAWS will be minimal too.
The ball is in your court. We can not make you do anything. Only YOU can.
When you are ready is up to you. If you need to stay "out there" using and see for yourself how bad it will get that's up to you.
My recommendation.. Start to QUIT now! It will be a whole lot easier.
Time for some technical talk... One of the things which increases "dependence" is a spike in drug blood plasma levels. Addicts do this on purpose to get a "high". They do it by Snorting (Very fast delivery), IV Injections, Chewing up meds and taking on an empty stomach.
The above all produce the most amount of drug in the blood in an attempt to get a buzz. These spikes are one of the reasons we addicts get hooked faster than a COMPLIANT Chronic Pain Patient.
Being compliant means they take only as directed. The goal of compliance is to maintain an even blood plasma at the minimum amount to treat PAIN and NOT to produce euphoria (a high).
Since the blood plasma levels are lower, the levels of dopamine at the synaptic cleft do not spike so the receptor sites do not downregulate or decrease in number in response to the initially MUCH higher level of dopamine released as a result of spiking.
Addictive dosing behaviors, the large doses associated to Spike the blood plasma level, vs the lower low dosing and more often which is the KEY factor to the physical changes the brain makes which cause dependency.
Dependency is the actual physical changes to your body which cause withdrawal. Addiction is the BEHAVIOR of taking the drugs to get high, not as prescribed, and when not needed for clinical reasons. It is the un-manageable behaviors associated with lack of control.
Which comes first... Dependence or addiction? Usually it's addiction, but it can be the other way, but the key issue which causes the progression of addiction are the behaviors.
Addiction is what makes you take more and more, spiking doses, etc. This in turn increases dependence. The higher your dependence the higher the tollerance... Round and round you go. The addiction merry-go-round.
How to break the cycle? The only way is to change the behavior. That is a very difficult thing. Pain is usually a very good motivator. So is Euphoria. When the pain out weighs the euphoria one starts to consider breaking the cycle. Unfortunately the pain being eliminated by the drug is a driving force. Then the addict associated the RELIEF of th pain to the drug instead of the drug being the CAUSE of the pain.
SOoooooooo what to do? Break the cycle.
Many have to hit bottom to do that. That's the point where the pain of using overwhelms the relief of using. It's an emotional point which is different for different people. Not every one has to hit a bottom to quit. The sooner you quit the less pain and suffering you have to experience.
For folks who are on smaller doses and their disease has not progressed very far, they have not felt the extent of pain addiction can cause. Only conceptualizing how bad it can get may not be good enough to motivate a person early in addiction to quit.
Intellectually we know what lays ahead. We hear the truth from others, but yet we continue to use. It is not until we get a glimpse of the pain that lays ahead do we become to believe we need to quit. One HAS to believe that in fact addiction does lead to the loss of everything and eventually Jails Institutions and Death.
Addiction is a lot easier to nip in the bud physically but maybe not emotionally because one has not experienced the pain first hand. Some need more pain than others to quit. Some don't make it and end up end stage and their addiction wins.
If you want to get off of the pills you have to change your behavior.
1) STOP SNORTING your pills!
2) Stop spiking your dose!
3) stop taking enough to get high
You will never quit until you do that. Weather you can or not is up to you.
You have to come to a point where you make the decision you want to quit. The en you have to make a plan then you have to execute that plan. SIMPLE .... but not easy.
The solution from a clinical point of view for you at your point of addiction is so easy. A simple taper, and change the behavior. In short break the cycle.
How to do a taper is easy. Changing the behavior is the HARD part, but you have to want to change.
If you are taking 6 pills a day... then start taking them in even doses and don't take like 3-4 at a time. 24 hrs divided by 6 = 4 hrs. So only take one pill every 4 hrs. Then take 5 pills in 24 hrs. That's 4.8 hrs. Then 4 pills a day... break pills into 1/2's so you have 8 1/2 pills. and take 1/2 a pill every 3 hrs. Etc.
If you can't stick to a taper give the pills to a friend to dispense.
Mean while .. you have to start changing the way you think and the things you do... You should educate yourself... Good place to do all of that is NA or AA. It's FREE and takes up time. It forces you to be doing something other than sitting around with nothing to do and just thinking about using.
It's not the only way, but it's a good place to start. Take what you need from it, and leave the rest.
If you take the same amount or less every day and don't spike your dose you will eventually quit.
30 mg of Hydro can be tapered to 0 in 2-4 weeks painlessly. The PAWS will be minimal too.
The ball is in your court. We can not make you do anything. Only YOU can.
When you are ready is up to you. If you need to stay "out there" using and see for yourself how bad it will get that's up to you.
My recommendation.. Start to QUIT now! It will be a whole lot easier.
Come on..you have been around enough. People DID tell you that hun.
Did you think snorting your medication was a little..different? I don't know about you, but no where on my pill bottle did it say "Snort every 4 hours as needed". At some point, you have to take responsibility for your actions.
I would do anything I could to support you and help you, but you have to step up to the plate.
If you want to go the taper route, just ask. As great said, you will have to stop snorting them.
Did you think snorting your medication was a little..different? I don't know about you, but no where on my pill bottle did it say "Snort every 4 hours as needed". At some point, you have to take responsibility for your actions.
I would do anything I could to support you and help you, but you have to step up to the plate.
If you want to go the taper route, just ask. As great said, you will have to stop snorting them.
Yes....it does matter! Do not snort your pills!! Contact FLaddict-she has an excellent article on an addicts behavior-and how to manage a taper plan. She can help you with a plan if you don't have one.....
PLEASE do not snort the pills. Please do not snort the pills, Please do not snort the pills.
It is bad juju to do that
Let me now how you are doing,
Greebo
PLEASE do not snort the pills. Please do not snort the pills, Please do not snort the pills.
It is bad juju to do that
Let me now how you are doing,
Greebo
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