the recipe

[dreamin]

can someone tell me what this means? I have been clean for 1 week today..and am feeling better, but I am curios, what is the recipe?

[bmac]

It's all mental anyway.Stop beating yourself up for things you haven't learned to control.Methadone for a day isn't going to physically screw you up,mentally you are already stress to
the max.Please stop saying bad things about yourself.It took
me all these years to stop,You do want you need to, mentally.
You know it's been 23 days for me and I went thru your **** too.
It does get better WHEN you stop the emotional trip you are on.
Tammy it's all mental now.W/D ing you know,stopping you don't.
It's hard but do it for yourself.It gets easier,I promise.
                             vent on,
                                bmac

[motox4fun]

Read my post below in reply to Tuss-ex. Its about 2 or 3 questions down. It is my story of an experience from a situation much like your own.
I can say that right now I feel a bit shakey and anxious. Just that bordem anxiety/withdrawl type of feeling. Other than that I feel ok.
I gotta get out of this house and stay busy...........
An idle mind will likely find trouble especially if its an addict
Good Luck
James

[tammygirl30]

so taking the meth 10mil yesterday and today wont make me go through withdrawal again i AM NOT taking anymore anyway, it made me throw up just now. thanks tammy

[motox4fun]

Yeah, Meth made me feel like **** and Vomit the only time i ever tried it. Once was enough for me. Some peolple like it though. Thank God it's one opiate i don't like.

[bmac]

Im pretty sure for about 24 hours it stays in the body .As far as having it give youback the w/d's I don't know.I do know that you are struggling with getting straight.As I said before the mental  part will stop.you will get better.You need to find something to stop your stressing out over this.It made it alot worse on me too.Once I stopped beating myself up I started getting better.Once again post when you need.
                             bmac

[koalabear]

Hi Jenn and welcome to this forum.

A lot of people in your situation will be on the upside of detoxing after a week.  

Tapering, for me is the best solution, but you have to be regimented.  It's not hard to say, today i will take an extra, and start again tomorrow.

I went to see an addictionolgist that put me on a tapering schedule of buprenorphine.  It is working great for me, and there are lots of people who can do this.

If you decide to go cold turkey because you can't taper, from what I've heard, after 5 days, things get better.  You probably won't feel 100%, but the worst of it will be over.

If you see a doc, tell them your story, they may be able to provide you with alternatives to keep withdrawals to a minimum.  The recipe was written by my good friend Thomas, who has always gone cold turkey.  It is written all over this forum.  You will know it when you see it.  Also, there are lots of great tapering schedules on here, too.  Just keep reading and posting, and you'll find a lot of answers to your questions.

Don't hesitate to post here while you are going through it.  The people on here are very supportive.  God bless.

Leah

[dreamin]

actually, my name is Sheila (dreamin) I am new here as well

[koalabear]

Sorry, sheila, but that post was meant for u!
:)

[Sean5110]

Thanks for your post. And don't worry about rambling; your story is important and I know from the last few days of my experience here, it just helps to "exhale", so to speak, and tell it all, whatever that means. I am also trying to give up a hydrocodone addiction and I honestly don't think I could ever go to work if I were going cold turkey off the drug. A week off is a perfect idea: Although you will still feel some fallout (that seems to last approx. 3 weeks), you will be very much well over the completely incapacitating effects of withdrawal. I was able to do this several months ago, taking off from a Wednesday and being back at my desk the next Monday (extremely fatigued, but able to put in a day's work).

I also have an MBA and other educational achievments and am currently an executive at a bank. 9 years ago I pretty much kicked a heroine habit that had me as a kind of transient college drop out. Since then I've put my efforts into some really healthy pursuits (marriage, 4 children, one on the way, included). but last winter I just opened the door to my addiction by getting prescribed hydro over the internet. Since then my life has been one big deception. Nobody except the people on these boards knows this. You are very lucky to have supportive relationships. My wife is 100% unsupportive and I cannot even begin to share with her this aspect of my life (she is unbelievably wonderful in too many ways to count, but this is out of her ability to cope. I know that.)

Please keep posting. And again, yes, a week off with the ability to be incapacitate at home should prove the initial step back to a life of sanity and self-respect (I can't take off work so am tapering off which is mentally very difficult and physically a bit uncomfortable. I would much rather have the ability to go cold turkey; in the past it has been the way I've proved to myself that I'm serious and it somehow psycologically helps me to know that I'm volunteering for extreme discomfort for the sake of a righteous decision)

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts and questions.

[OxyDout]

You should be fine, but next time don't take 10mg of Meth, if you have never taken it before you should be able to get through a 24 hour period with only 3mg, seriously. I think you will be fine. good luck!

GWH

[Chezz]

Nhello. i am on day 1, i wish i could say i was on day 4, the worst physically should be over for you!! i am also w/d from hydro, and i have done this before 5 other times. my problem was also the TEMPTATIONS, all it takes is waking up and not feeling up to par. i will not fail this time. i have two beautiful children that wants their mommy back. i am not working now, but the first time i w/d i did and i dont know how i got through it, but it did make the time pass more quickly. i remember being so depressed and makeing lists of what i should be grateful for in life while i sat at work near tears. i cant believe i was so stupid to fall back into this trap and now i have to go through it again, keep it up your doing great, and

"dont accept another pill, just remember that youll have to start all over again". take care tammy

I read this earlier and thought that you might need to read/see it again for yourself. Sometimes I think the best advice comes from within ourselves.
BMAC made a good comment as well.
"I do know that you are struggling with getting straight"

I personally HATE to hear the truth, especially when I am pity partying it. I also don't know you or anybody else here on this forum, except for what I have read in the last couple of weeks. I so badly want to see you succeed, because I can see and feel the pain and struggles you are going through right now.
It gets better everyday if we let it, and convince ourselves ot this. Mind over matter. The more we dwell on the w/d's, the worse they will be. If you convince yourself that after the w/d's, your life will only get better. Not only will the w/d's not feel as bad because you are keeping positive. You might even be thankful for the w/d's because you know you are going to be FREE SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNN.

I am not very good at saying the "right" thing. I hope at least I said something that might help.
I am rooting for you as well as everyone else here too.
I hope you don't have to go through the withdrawls again. But if you do, just remember that next time you think about taking an out (another pill, ect) to help. When all it really does it make it worse.
Chezz

[Sean5110]

Also, the "recipe", as I understand it is this:

l - Tyfosine 500 mgs 8/day week 1; 4/day in subsequent weeks
B6 2/day 100mgs
Strong Multivitamin

I got this from some post that was written today (9/12) so I may have made a typo or got it wrong, but I think it's correct. You can search around for it since it was posted today.

[Goliath]

Day 3 clean almost 72 hours, felt great yest afternoon then lost all my energy when I got home from work. When the kids went to bed I took a bath after a valium 10 to calm my nerves and fell asleep. Not cool to fall asleep in a bathtub. Any way went to bed at 11 woke up at 1:30 with the sh*ts and sweats, finally made it back to bed, but at this point I have such negative energy, I can barely tie my shoes.

Background: 15 months hydro, as first for back pain, then as a diversion from boredom. I used to wait all day and then load 3 1/2 tens into my mouth at 5 pm and have a terrific night before nodding out. Finally I realized that I couldn't do this forever and was overcome with intense feelings of guilt. So I tapered from the 6 a day that I had gotten up to to about 1 1/2 to 2, then relapsed last week taking 5 in one day (felt great!) and the next day only took one, then decided to cold turkey.

I bought/used  1) Naproxen for body aches every 4 hrs  2) immodium every 4 hours to stop me up 3) B Vitamin complex (was recommended and seems to help) 3) Clonidine to relieve W/D's and keep blood pressure level (I recommend buying one of those cheap BP monitors if you are over 40 and checking every 2 hrs to make sure diastolic doesn't go over 87-90) 5) Valium 10 mg to sleep
6) Ultram 50 for emergencies (only had to use two so far)

I actually left my hydro home today to ensure that another 8 hours would pass. The feeling of complete depression and lack of energy is awful and I indeed hope it will pass. I am sure that it will get better. But being addicted to hydros is no win - you can't take them forever, you have to always increase your dosages, the APAP is murder on you liver, and without theft doctor shopping or other illegal activity you can't possibly get the amount needed to make life complete on the drug.

So it was fun while it lasted. Actually it got me through some rough times. But obvioulsy its not a long term solution. It's kind of made me realize that the mundanity of life is ok, that there really is no quick fix. I'm rambling now.

So wish me luck, I give it about 50/50 at this point. I know I should go to the river and throw all my remaining meds in, but I just can't bring myself to, not yet, at least.

Good luck to all of you in the same predicament, you will get through it; you HAVE to. Would love to share / support with others.

G

[Synderella]

Leah,


Thanks for the warm welcome.  I’ve tried tapering, but haven’t been able to ever completely commit.  Gave the pills to my husband, but would frantically search the house (on my lunch break) and find them.  Even when I tapered, by the third and fourth day, I couldn’t sleep, my entire body HURT, and my damn brain kept convincing me “see stupid, you do have legitimate pain, you have a legitimate prescription, now why would you want to suffer, when you don’t have to ****!”  I even tried someone else’s advice, to substitute the hydro’s for ultram, only to end up addicted to the ultram!  And, the entire cycle starts over.  I’ve been using about a year and a half, and until about 2—3 months ago, I really believed I could quit anytime I wanted.  It was only when I DID quit, that I realized, I was full of ****, I couldn’t just quit, and declared myself an official addict.  After reading stories of other peoples withdrawals, and then experiencing them first hand, I honestly considered NEVER quitting.  I always had an excuse, it was never the right time, I had a business trip, too much going on at home, and on and on, then finally I woke the hell up and realized I am only 29 years-old, I can’t live the rest of my life on drugs.  Like I said, I am committed, this time.  Today will be the biggest step of all, when I tell my doctor (I have an appointment this afternoon) that I think I am addicted to the pills she’s been prescribing, and that I don’t believe I have real back pain anymore.  I figure, once the gravy train of pills is cut off at the source, I will have to face this horrible demon head on!  I must admit, after 18 months of starting each morning, with a glass of water and a hand full of pills, it will be interesting to experience it sober!


Jenn


(FOR ANYONE) I’ve read, in the archives, about using clonidine, buprenex, serax, and buprenorphine.  Since I am going to the doctor today anyway, are these drugs I should discuss with her?  I naturally assume, the easier I can make the W/D, the easier it would be to get clean.  Hell, if getting off opiates, felt as good as the first opiate high every addict has experienced, boards like this wouldn’t exist!  

[tammygirl30]

thank you so much! i needed to read my words!  i will not take another pill again, i cant suffer anymore, i have been puking now every 20 minutes from the methadone, thats one way of staying away from it, i do so much want to be normal again and have real happiness not fake from a bottle happiness. thank you tammy

[Synderella]

Sean,


Our stories are collectively intertwined.  I am sorry to hear that your wife isn’t supportive, because I know how hard this addiction is to hide.  I actually was forced into telling my husband, because of what I’ve come to define and name “Hydro-Rage!”  After about 8 months of use, I began having violent mood swings, and not because I was withdrawing or trying to quit.  It was post pill rage.  I would pop some vicodin, percodan, tylox, or whatever “opiate of the month” I was abusing, and find myself raging several hours later.  Basically, I was a total unreasonable *****!  My husband and I would have an argument; I would flip out, rage on, and then after an hour or so of calming down, realize “what in the hell was I so angry about?”  I still to this day can’t explain why I rage, or when it will or wont happen, but I can recognize it immediately, and only became another number to add to my list of reasons to get clean!  If I were my husband, I would of left me long ago.  Hell, I would love to leave me right now, and come back when I’m sober.


Like you, I used out of boredom, although I have a high-paying professional job (like most managers) I delegate, and don’t have a lot of work to do.  Taking the pills became a way of getting through the day!  I’ve decided to come clean with my doctor (in fact, I have an appointment today) and cut off my source.  Since you are using the Internet, and I assume an OP, you are going to have to make it on will power alone!  I think this board is great, and that only people who’ve “been there done that” can truly relate and understand what you’re going through.  Even if your wife was someone you could confide in, she couldn’t truly relate to your addiction, pain, and mental cravings anymore than you could relate to someone explaining what it’s like to be blind.


Today will be my first step, and hopefully now that I’ve traveled this road, I wont make the mistake of driving around lost, and will ask for directions if I cross this street again (metaphorically speaking of course :-)


Looking forward to hearing about your progress,
Jenn

[1fortheroad]

sorry - wow, i'm gone for a couple weeks, and all my friends are gone - except gwh.  where did everyone go?

[OxyDout]

I'm going to email you...........

[Synderella]

Hello, I am new to this website, but have been reading through your archives for the past few days.  My story isn’t much different from anyone else.  I am 29 year-old professional, married women, with 2 children.  I have an MBA, a great job, and by the way, I am a drug addict.  I began taking opiates (vicodin, tylox, vicoprofen, percodan, and ultram) after 2 cesarean deliveries, and gallbladder surgery seven years ago.  I loved the “high” they provided me, but never took them longer than I was supposed to.  I suffered a back injury last year, and once again, was prescribed pain pills.  I don’t know why this time was different, why I began taking up to 10 or more pills a day, and why I ultimately became an opiate addict, but I am.  I have been using opiates for about 15 months now, have tried to quit 3 times, and have NOT been successful once.  I have a wonderful supportive husband, and although he knows I have a problem, it’s impossible for him to “relate” to what I’m going through, and how sick I feel without the pills.


I decided a little over 2 months ago, to admit to my friends and family that I was an addict, and quit.  Obviously, easier said than done.  Each time, I would make it for the first 2—3 days, and then be sitting in my office, feeling like ****, and finally cave in, just to stop the pain.  I don’t even get “high” or a “buzz” from the pills, anymore.  I DESPERATELY want to quit, but don’t know how!


I realize there is a much greater mental addiction, which will remain far longer than the physical one.  Unfortunately, I haven’t even been able to get passed the physical cravings, to move on to the mental monkey on my back.  I am asking, hell BEGGING, for any advice or success stories, about how I can quit taking these pills, and not feel like I am going to die in the process.  I read, in the archives, about 3 different drugs—cloridine, buprenorphine, and naltrexone—that people have used, but the posts weren’t clear on what they did, why they helped, and how they helped.  I also have read about taking anti-depressants along with vitamin combinations.  Well, I am sure I’ve managed to ramble on longer than anyone cares to read, so I’ll just list my main questions, and hope to God, some of you will be gracious enough to share your experiences and knowledge.


1. Is there any way to avoid getting sick (fever, insomnia, body aches, mood swings, extreme fatigue, ect.) when coming off opiates?
2. How many days does it usually take, once you completely stop taking any pills, before you are no longer physically dependant?
3. If I took a week off from work, and just went cold turkey, would that be long enough to get over being sick, and be able to function again?


Thanks in advance, to anyone who took time to read this, and care enough to respond.  I am ready and willing to commit to getting clean, all I need now is some advice/insight from people whom have been there, and how to do it!

Jenn

[tammygirl30]

look futher down it is the thomas recipe, it is posted a couple questions down


CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF I SCREWED UP. I TOOK 10MG OF METH ON MY THIRD DAY OF WD AND 10MG TODAY. I PLAN TO TAKE NO MORE I JUST NEEDED A CRUTCH I HAD SCHOOL FUNCTIONS FOR MY SON AND WORK TO DO.  AM I DOOMED TO GO THROUGH WD ALL OVER AGAIN, I HAVE ALREADY GOT RID OF THE OTHER METHS I HAD BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO MESS UP AND I THINK I AM THROUGH THE PHYSICAL WD, MENTALLY I AM A BASKET CASE I AM SO DEPRESSED AND THIS ISNT HELPING THANKS TAMMY

[alexandra_r]

I'm sorry you had a little "slip" but I completely understand.  It is so difficult to appear normal to the outside world when you are in the throes of w/d's.  However, it is best to forgive yourself and go on--beating yourself up isn't going to help you.  We are all just human and trying to do the best we can.  In my experience, your slip will probably prolong the w/d's, but it should not make it any worse than it was before you slipped (at least at this point).  By the way--I used to be addicted to both heroin and methadone (over ten years ago) and so I do know something about the agony of methadone withdrawal.

Best of luck to you--I hope your suffering ends soon and I'll send a couple up for you for strength.

Alex

[tammygirl30]

i forgot to state i am wd from hydrocodone, yesterday was the first time i had taken methadone. i was told by a friend that it would help me through a couple of days of withdrawals. i would hate to think i suffered the past few days for nothing and have to start all over, i dont know if i could go through it again. thanks tammy

[bmac]

I read your post earlier and you described exactly what I
went thru last week and the week before.After 23 days I am no longer high,period.Im now treating my body with alot of vitamins
and water.I still have that pounding headache Ive felt all toomany times.The difference this time is I decided it was over.
Once I did that,I quit stressing over withdrawing because I
was really stressing over the fact I had to stop!All my posts in the past two weeks were just anger and guilt.This past Sunday I could tell the drugs have left my body,now I must repair 28
years of getting high.That's what I meant to Tammy,If you
have to stop,no choice.Then don't beat the **** out of yourself because of it.It just makes it a thousand times worse.
Thanks for the mention,I am into day 23 from a hydro,oxy and then methadone addiction.It's all mental for me now!

                               peace,
                                 bmac(Bill)

[Sean5110]

Jenn, is your doctor the one who has been prescribing for the last year and a half. I guess I'm wondering what would he be thinking prescribing 300 pills/month (10/day) for 15 months? And doctors seem like everybody else to the extent that they're all different. Some have pride streaks that won't allow them to look at things with an objective perspective.

I remember about ten years ago, a doctor I went to see in the first throes of heroine withdrawal, prescibed several medications for me. He was this "hip" type of guy that almost seemed to be taking some sort of bent satisfaction in trying to create the perfect combo to relieve my pains (he was a recovering addict himself). Well, whatever he gave me had the effect of nearly throwing me into a coma and I just remember waking up in a hospital bed with a charcoal tube stuck down my throat. A psychiatrist came in shortly and asked why I tried to commit suicide.

I went back to the doctor upon my hospital release and angrily confronted him (verbally). He actually pushed me (physically) and blamed the problem on me, swearing that I had used heroine on top of his genius cocktail combo. Well, that just wasn't true and it gave me a whole new perspective on doctors.

Boy, am I rambling here. I'm quite sure your doctor will be caring enough to do what's best for you and I wish you the very best in starting a new life.

Sean

[hellbent]

<I JUST NEEDED A CRUTCH I HAD SCHOOL FUNCTIONS FOR MY SON AND WORK TO DO>

There are a million reasons to use, but there's really only one. If you are a drug addict like me, then that's enough of a reason. I am a drug addict, therefore I take drugs. Being liquored up or high on pills, coke, or ******* nutmeg. That's my natural state, and has been since I was very young.

Don't beat yourself up on this too much. You are trying to beat a monster, one that no non-addict can begin to understand.

Be careful with your justifications though. I hope you can get over the hump and get some time away from the ****. Once you do, you will need to be able to be honest with yourself. Drugs will definitely kill you if you use like I do, and that's what you risk each and every time you go back on them. In that context, there isn't a good enough excuse, ever, to go back.

Sounds melodramatic, but I have friends dying from OD's, heart attacks, Hepatitus (hepatitis), Aids, Ruptured Intestines. These are people in their 30's and 40's.

[1fortheroad]

where the heck is everyone?

[dreamin]

Since we can't post a new message, I am hoping someone sees this..the weekends are the hardest for me.  I am a little worried and not feeling really well.  I hope someone reads this. I need your support.

Sheila

[bmac]

Yes we are here.If you post something,one of us will reply and if it's not fast enough my email address is listed in an earlier post.Addiction is very hard not to mention how hard stopping it is.If you need something from these boards then just ask.
We are all either addicts or recovering addicts.We all know
what you are going thru,believe me.Post on,please!
                          bmac

[GiannaM]

Hey-you're definitely hitting the nail on the head-weekends are just another reason to use. The trick is to plan on FRIDAY to hook up with a non-using friend who will understand or another addict who definitely understands and spend as much time as possible not being alone. When I'm by myself, I'm my own worst enemy! I can talk myself into using in seconds! Although this forum is useful, nothing is better than human contact in the flesh (with the right person, that is) and it CANNOT be a using companion. I find that attending meetings on the weekend very helpful. Try to keep it together cause Monday will be here before you know it!

[bmac]

How are you?I have tried to leave you alone but I must admit it is hard for me to ignore you.Everytime I read one of your posts It's like you are still beating yourself up.Reply to me and let me know how you feel,please.
                               bmac

[dreamin]

The human part is difficult, noone knows. I know I have to be honest with someone and tell, but there really isn't anyone to tell.  YIKES, that sounded like I was feeling sorry for myself..I don't think I am .I think I am just reaching out here...wanting to know I am not alone in this..

[bmac]

You are not alone in this.I came here two weeks ago,I think.
I was detoxong and not taking it very well.I posted,I bitched,
I took alot of anger out on these other people here.All
I got back was comfort and good advice.Stopping the drugs is
up to you,how you get thru it is where we can help.If you
need to say something,hell just say it.Believe me we can take it.I am married to a little 5 foot tall woman that could whip this 6'4" man.Believe me I can take anything if I can take her
scorn.Post on and don't hold back!!!!!!!!!
                      peace,
                      bmac

[dreamin]

Thanks for the support, I have read every one of the posts in this forum and thought to myself, I wish I were as strong as these people.  But I fear my spirit is willing, but my flesh is weak.  I am an atheist and want to give it to God, but I think that may be a little hypocritical of me.

[tammygirl30]

I am feeling much better today, i havnt taken anything and have given everything i had to hubbie to get rid of. i dont feel too bad today, i am a little tired and a little sick to my stomach, but otherwise not so bad, thanks for listening to me rant and rave and all the negativity, i am back on track now, i will never take another pain med again!! i dont ever want to go through this again! your almost to a month good for you, keep it up. take care tammy

[bmac]

The mental **** is tuff.The hardest part is the headgames.I have been using for 28 years.I am a musician in music world and
believe me I have seen it all.Im 44 and been in the drug world
too damn long.I don't know what got me to day 24,but I can
asure you it was the grace of God.I am not by far,even a church go r.Or do I think I have enough Faith to totally let God direct my life.I am selfish just like all these addicts here.I will
tell you with or without God's help you can be straight.If there ever was a addict,it was me.I smoked pot,drank,pills of ever kind.I lived getting high.Wake up everyday smokin'pot.28 years.
I can't explain why I am straight today but I can promise you,
it is far more than just your will.Call it God or call it whatever.Life is just too damn short for all this mental beating we all give ourselves or drugs.Well now Ive been preaching to the Choir here,If I can be staright anyone can,I was the perfect addict.Way of Life and easy to do.I detoxed with phenobarb and clodine.For 8 days.24 days clean!
                               thanks for listening to me.
                                  bmac(Bill)

[bmac]

Thanks,I feel better too.Except for the mental thing,I still got that pounding headache.Keep up this positive thing!
                                  peace,
                                   bmac

[Tuss-ex]

I just read your post about headaches.  I am now past a week, and the biggest w/d thing that I still have going on physically is headaches.  I mean real head bangers.  What did you do to help ease them.  I have been using motrin and bumping it up to a prescription strength, but that doesn't last and you can only take the dose 3 times a day because of possible liver damage.

Also for everyone who is entering this weekend facing w/d (which is exactly where I was last week) please come to the board and read and post when things are tough.  The advice here works!!!! I have gotten more good advice here than from anywhere else...


God Bless

[bmac]

I have had this pounding headache since I stopped detoxing.
Hell,Im sure there's a post down the line where I let it all out.
When I went back to the start where I first posted,It made me
angry at myself for letting the physical part effect the mental
part.I was over stressed.That shut my body down,I lost 18 pounds in 18 days.Of course I needed to lose anyway.
The headaches will last for at least 30 to 90 days.Depending on if you are prone to headaches anyway.I was ,all my life.
That's what I meant by 'this is straight'.I still feel the effects of my detox.For me it's the mental part I struggle with.But hey who would have thunkit,24 "straight"days.
It is a miracle,I promise.Post on!
                           bmac

[winter68]

I couldn't find your e-mail addy, looking through all those posts makes my eyes hurt. so would you please post it again for me. if you don't mind me asking were you always on 10mgs of done or did you decrease to that then stop? today was my last day I went down to 4mgs yesterday and see no point in taking that small of an amount since I had been on 120mgs. I hope your headache goes away, its probably just from tension since your brains trying to figure out how to work properly without the drugs its used to. Thanks for replying to me, no one else here has really responed to me much.

[bmac]

anytime.  ***@****

[yodeb]

I just logged on to this for the first time for what it say's "recipe", and read and read,,,,,,,,,,, WHERE'S THE RECIPE? I will be detoxing myself off of 15 norco's a day and need a recipe, can someone tell me one? Also how long I'll be sick in bed and when I can return back to work?
Thanks!

[dreamin]

I copied this from another post - I didn't write this, I am not sure who did



Supplies you'll need first:

As many Valium, Xanax, Librium or Klonopin that you can get your hands on.
--- first day off the lorcet, use enough Valium or whatever, to, if possible, sleep through most of the first couple days. Then start decreasing the dose until you're down to nothing in about 5 or 6 days. You'll have to do the math. The Valium or one of its sister drugs will help tremendously with the anxiety and, somewhat, with the body aches.

Around-the-clock access to either hot baths or a Jacuzzi.

--speaking of those goddamn mostly thigh cramps that seem to love to show up in the middle of the night, have that hot bath or Jacuzzi at the ready. Don't hesitate to spend the majority of the week in that hot water if it's what it takes to get you through it. You may be wrinkled, but you'll have your sanity. Don't underestimate what the hot baths can do to relieve the withdrawal discomfort. They really work. Heating pads between the thighs can help with those cramps, too, but not as much as the hot baths.

Brand-name-only Imodium (immodium) (over the counter at the supermarket)

-- if you're a normal hydro addict, you'll be getting the runs by no later than the second or third day off the lorcet. In my experience, it's an especially unpleasant variety. At the first impulse, take two or three and respond to returning urges with two tabs. It's important that you do it immediately.

L-Tyrosine (qty 50 of the 500mg caps) - an amino acid available at the health food store.

-- thanks spook for this info: chronic use of narcotics depletes the brain of several critical neurotransmitters responsible for well-being and mental performance and attitude.
Plus:
Bottle of 100 mg B6 caps

-- Spook says every other day, but my experience detoxing with this stuff says take 4000 (four thousand) mg. (8x500mg caps of L-Tyrosine) with two 100mg B6 caps every day for your "detox week" to provide your brain with the raw material it needs to replenish its stores of these neurotransmitters. Many feel the difference on the very first dose. ***Take it on an empty stomach, either first thing in the morning or at bed time. You can continue this regimen after the first week if it continues to make you feel good. I continue to use it every other day with very few exceptions.
Multi-vitamins (most junkies don't eat too well, so this one's just for good sense)

Anyway, if you want to do it yourself and have a chance of being free of all narcotics instead of getting hooked on methadone, one of the hardest to get off of, by the way, you might try my formula. (It's "battle-tested" and works!)
2ND. one,
you will not come right until you replace all the zinc/mag you have leached out of your body over the past few years - this is what 'hanging out' really is - it's your body craving zinc/mag (zinc stops cravings/magnesium stops depression). If you don't do this it will take up to 2 years to return to normal as the only other source your body has for zinc/mag is food and then it is in such tiny amounts it takes years to build up again. If you get a blood test done you will find your levels of both are way down on what they should be.


A typical tablet contains somthing like this:

Zinc amino acid chelate 75mg
Magnesium amino acis chelate 37.5mg
Vitamin B6 10mg
Manganese amino acid chelate 10mg
Viatmin A (1000I.U.) 300mcg

Grading your habit on a scale of 1-10 (1 being occasional use and 10 being long term methadone at 100 plus mg's a day) you should take the following amount for a period of one month then slowly reduce to a daily amount of 2-3 per day.

Habit scale/size - Number of tablets per day for a month

10 10
9 9
8 8
7 7
6 6
5 5
4 4
3 3
2 3
1 2
0 2

You will notice that I recommend you never go below 2 per day. This is because zinc/mag depletion was your original problem so you should give yourself an ongoing supplement to make sure it does not happen again. I now take 2-3 per day to maintain my health. I have had no failures with this treatment (everyone OK after less than a month) and have treated addictions (including my own) as varied as methadone and cigarettes. The cigarrete smoker reduced from 2 packs per day to just 5 cigarettes per day in a week without any discomfort. If you suffer any kind of 'hang out' just increase the zinc/mag dosage and give it a liitle longer to take effect (a week or so). Don't beleive all the bullshit about drug addiction you have heard - it's all **** - this is the real deal. The drugs themselves are not actually addictive but they do leach all the zinc/mag out of your body by increasing the metabolism of them creating a shortage that gets worse the longer you use unless you replace them while you are using in which case you don't hang out when you stop - you just come straight - this is true beleive me I have tried it as have a few other people I know and none of us sufferred any hang out when we stopped

[yodeb]

thank you for your prompt answer! After reading some of what has been posted, it sounds like you experienced detoxing with buprenorphine, that is want I've been hearing alot about. How can I get some, how much do I take, and for how long. Also what do you think about taking valuims, ambien, or some kind of sleeping pill and or muscle relaxer with it?
Thanks again,
Debbie

[yodeb]

thank you for your prompt answer! After reading some of what has been posted, it sounds like you experienced detoxing with buprenorphine, that is want I've been hearing alot about. How can I get some, how much do I take, and for how long. Also what do you think about taking valuims, ambien, or some kind of sleeping pill and or muscle relaxer with it?
Thanks again,
Debbie

[dreamin]

actually, I didn't use anything to detox, I went cold ..I didn't know about this recipe or anything.  As far as getting the medicine, I am not sure maybe you can start a new discussion and ask..I wish I could be of more help.