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thomas recipe
by RbSwea57, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
I seen on here something called the Thomas Recipe Could some one tell me what that is and what all vitamins is in it
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i've never had any kidney trouble from taking vitames or amino acids. what you are probably feeling is muscle spasm in the low to mid back. this is one of the first symptoms of "jones" coming to visit. either baclofen (a neuro muscle relaxer) or a benzo such as valium, or both preferably. to be on the safe side, monitor your body temp for mid to high grade fever. w/d causes a slightly elavated body temp in some people, so if your temp is only slightly up, just keep an eye on it and do'nt worry. when jones comes to visit, he isn't going to bring along anthing to "feel good about!" that will be up to you! best of luck and god's speed....
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
when you are just getting clean.
hot baths and a heating pad will help.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!
drink lots of liquids.
try to stay away from coffee, it will dehydrate you and may cause kidney pain.
it will also give you energy and help get you natraul endorphines back on like so you can start feeling normal.
when you take during week 1 of withdrawls which is very difficult and painfull the l -tyrosine sorta buffers out the pain so it is tolerable.
for anyone who has tried to go cold turkey with out the receipe,
they know how hard it is, and then when you go cold turkey with the receipe you can notice the vast difference.
the receipe for me made it possible to go cold tukey, where as
in the past without it , i had no sucess.
when taking the l-tyrosine you may want to ajust it , and take less.
i still take it , it helps with energy and pain.
Thomas's recipe is exactly what my I needed to feel more human and energetic. There is some information about L-Tyrosine @ http://www.thewayup.com/products/0094.htm - that's where I purchase my amino acids/vitamins/minerals.
Also, I have recently read a very inspirational story about a man who had to deal with H withdrawal - it's helped me immensely, as has this forum. http://www.acay.com.au/~narcosis/skinofteeth.htm
Also, I plan on getting some Sinemet. Mirapex is also another medicine for RLS (I have only heard of this, so this may not be as helpful as Sinemet).
If you're doing a cold turkey detox off opiates such as Vicodin, wait until the more gross symptoms -- sweats, cramps, nausea, runs -- have stopped before using the L-Tyrosine. The thinking is this: In addition to dopamine, L-Tyrosine is metabolized into norepinephrin -- brain adrenalin. This works against your efforts to sedate yourself to ride out the initial withdrawal symptoms.
After acute withdrawal has abated, you're going to feel like a rancid mop -- total lack of physical, mental and emotional energy -- because of your dopamine, norepinephrin and endorphin (natural morphine) deficits. It's at this time that the L-Tyrosine with B6 will help you bring your own ass back to life.
Take a sufficient dose, and you'll feel the difference in less than 1 hour. And I mean really feel it -- not a placebo effect "feel-better" but an undeniable kick in the ass. If you're coming off a tall habit and feel absolutely brain dead, 3000 to 4000 mgs will lift the fog in 30 to 40 minutes. It's quite dramatic the first time you experience it. It's not like a caffeine wire, but more of a sudden clearing of the mind and a flood of confidence and optimism -- and physical energy.
It's this physical energy from L-Tyrosine that you need to put to work to get out of the house and into some kind of light aerobic activity, such as fast walking, bicycling, lap swim (or stair master and cross-country ski machine) -- whatever you can man
Miko: get some 5-HTP at the health food store. Take two at a time for sedation and sleep. It's safe and effective. It's not as effective as a benzo, of course, but it will help more than other OTC solutions.
Thomas
i wrote this doing a opiate detox a year or so ago...for what ever it's worth....
coming along with jones
five days of rain and and all the other
stuff that always comes along with jones.
damp basements and bup 'but i
don't know where it's at or ever even was...
all i know is if you go far enough
along, and it's usually real soon enough too.
it will hit me in the guts, after watching
me from the basements shadows.
yeah it's been watching me, learning
carefully of my every fear and weakness- and
then it's five days of rain and all the other
stuff that comes along with jones!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
kep an angel on your shoulder
kip
When I use it, I feel it all day anyway.
Hi Kip! Good to hear from you, too. I filed your e-mail addy and I'll write you in the next day or so.
Thomas
5-HTP is metabolized into serotonin, some of which makes it into the brain. This gives 5-HTP sleep-inducing and anti-depressant properties. A Japanese study found that 5-HTP was as effective for depression as Zoloft. It's an amino acid related to the L-Trytophan that's activated when you warm milk. But 5-HTP is many times more potent.
You can take 100mg of 5-HTP 3 or four times a day while you detox. Standard dosing for depression is 100mgs 3 times a day. People usually start with 50mg and switch to 100mg once they're not experiencing much drowsiness. For your purposes, you need the extra sedation of 100mg doses. It may help bring you down from the L-Tyrosine tonight. Good luck.
Thomas
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (immodium) (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium (immodium) aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
i have to admit i was flabergasted at how well this method works! WS Buroughs (in the novel "naked lunch") speaks of addiction as a "metabolic disorder," and this is one of the first truly effective methods for a person afflicted with opiate addiction to regain control of their life. make no doubt about it, this simple method is not easy, but very "doable!"
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
this is how i took it
L-tyrosine 500mgs 8 a day in the morning week 1. 4 a day weeks after.
b-6 100mgs 2 a day
calsium -magnisum
a strong multi vitamine
vitamine A-E and C
magneese/ zinc/ copper/ phosphous
imodium (immodium) for the runs
something for sleep week 1 (optional) xanax or valume taper
off it as the week progresses,
lots of water and or gatoraid in early part of the day for lost electrolites.
something for restles legs like a prescription of( cinemet)or
something in that order.
lots of hot bath at night week 1 for the restless leg and body
the more the better.
after week 1 try to start working out , exersize as much and as
hard as possible to get the natural endorphine s up and working.
post as much as possible and keep in touch with the fourm members here and anywhere else you can find support.
BTW, there are other boards like this one, there are addresses to at least 2 or 3 different ones posted in several threads here, maybe try one out, they really do help a lot of people.
Looking forward to talking to you soon,
Tonya
Trying the Thomas Recipe today. I started to taper my vic's over the past two weeks. The terrible pain in my legs and back returned(2 previous back operations, bi-lateral sciatica). I found some info on detoxing with Ultram. I stopped the vic's on Monday and have been taking 6-8 ultrams a day in doses of 2 every 4 - 6 hours. This got me over the first 3 days of wd VERY easily. It controlled the inevitible pain I get in my legs and back. No leg restlessness at all. The best part is, the ultram does nothing for me "recreationally". I just feel normal. No foggy, warm, narc feeling. I just hope I can control my pain in more wholesome, natural ways. Exercise, eat right, etc...
I will taper the ultram for the next week while doing the Thomas recipe. I've failed 6 previous times with dtox on my own. Outside help is not an option. I have to do it on my own. This board, however, has been so helpful. I know I am not alone in this and I know I will beat it. Once you get a taste of what you used to feel like before the ****, you latch on to that and it gives you the drive to succeed. Shame this board has to go away. It looks like it's done so much good. Good luck to y'all and THANK YOU.
I will be copying the thomas recipe and hope I am allowed to share it with others.I presently post generally at recoverybandits.com and a very frequent complaint we all have is the depression & lack of energy we all experience while trrying to detox. I have never heard of L-Tyrosine nor have a read it on any other board. I know this information will help so many.
Good luck to all that are working to get our systems back up & running.
http://pub177.ezboard.com/bpainaddictionwithdrawalhelpandsupport
If you don't have an EZboard account, sign up for a global account, then return the confirmation email you will get very quickly from EZboard, next use the URL above to join the forum. Put in your nickname and password, then you will be taken to your 'control center' window. From there just click on the name of the forum up in the upper left hand corner of the window and it puts you into the forum where you can find all of us. We also have live chat there where we all go to relax and get silly together. We'd love to have you come join us.
You will find the Thomas Recipe and Thomas himself on the forum. He is one of the forum Admin. He will be able to answer any and all questions you have about his recipe. :) You will normally find me running around chasing after Thomas, trying to get a lick of that special Fentanyl hair gel he uses! LOL.
Hope this helps... If you need anything else I would post a new question and introduce yourself... the site recently had some changes and old posts are jumping to the top...
4 - 500 mg l-tyrosine
1- 2 mg copper cap
1- 100 mg B6
1 - B complex
1- Vitamin that containes1000 mg calcium, 400 mg Magnesium and 15 mg Zinc
I also found that a B-12 Patch (once a week, as it is like getting a shot of B-12) helps - do a search for B-12 patch they are about $25.00 for a onths supply.
In the evening about a 1/2 hr b4 bedtime:
1- 400 mg Magnesium (helps leg pain and aide sleep)
1 - 50 Mg Niacin (helps sleep and detoxing)
1- 5-HTP that contains 5-HTP, 100 mg. Valareian)
Also found that eating 3 meals a day w/ sm fruit snacks in btwn helps
walking (if at all possible)
I myself thought abt taking too many vitamin supplements and then thought - jeez i take handfuls of pain medicatins without a thought!
in your post i see solonpas patches - what are those?
I hpe all goes well for yo two - it's not easy - thats for sure - but it can be done and she's lucky to have your support (that is so important)
I am now on day 20 of being clean. I didn't think I could ever do it. This is the way that I did it.
-Get yourself like 200 xanax, valium (strong benzo) (get a prescription and just keep them a month or 2.. or get ur own way.. order online?)
-Prescription from dr. for clonidine (help withdrawls.. a must)
-Good multivitamin (i think it helped me feel better)
-Muscle ache cream like bengay (village naturals natural muscle relief is the brand i used.. i got the lotion and the salts u put in bath.. check out the stuff they got at hardtofindbrands.com or just goto hi-health store, http://hardtofindbrands.com/cf/products_detail.cfm?ItemNum=5234&search=alpha)
-Access to massages/spa
-Ensure (health supplement drinks)
-Immodium (for the runs)
-L-tyrosine (tried this a few of the days.. take this if you want to feel like your tweeking out and need to get something done.. don't take this while on the benzo's)
Wake up drenched in sweat.. start off with like 4 .01MG clonidine and 6 1MG benzo's like xanax. Do whatever u can to not use until that **** starts to kick in. The xanax (when u take enough will not make you know what day.. time or year it is.. hell doing this method u can even drink beer while detoxing from herion.. start to feel like using.. down a fat tire or 2 and u will pass out no matter what. Wake up and repeat until your either our of benzo's or waking up normally. Make sure to not get yourself into any trouble while on all of those benzo's.. maybe have some body that is sober to limit you at like 20 - 30 a day..so 20 - 30 mg a day.. that's about how many i was going thru.. 4 - 6 1MG at a time.
Goto get a massage.. it's 50$.. that ain't **** and you will feel like a new person when you leave you will be suprised...or you can just slam a half gram and have nothing still... sit in the bath/spa all day **** it... Take the immodim as often as needed.. I would usually take 2 of them in the morning and they seemed to work pretty good. You won't feel like eating so drink the ensure's to get rid of the feeling of wanting to faint from no food/nutrition. Take 2 more clonidine during the day if you feel sweaty/stomach hurts.(the clonidine will help with the cold sweats so much).
Now the hard part about this is.. Don't get hooked on the benzo's. I gave my wallet, keys , credit cards, everything to my girlfriend so i wouldn't just take off and be an idiot like i've been alwayse.
You got to get that **** off your mind. Your not getting any. You can't get any. You won't get any. You duno why you feel sick. If you can think nothing about using.. don't think about needles.. get rid of all of them just flush them all so you have none laying around.. you will be to sick to goto Walmart and get new needles if you find cottons laying around and ****.. all that will do is prolong your withdrawling.. if you stick to the method I told you.. it will be quicker then u think.
Get support.. and just ******* do it... it feels good to not have to be constantly worrying about my ******* at least 50$ a day habit. good luck to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
slk714
i have been using paaz ( alprazolam) as sleeping pills since the past 4 years. and been mixing spasmo proxyvons quite often. The problem is metamphetamines . i take them too on somewhat daily basis. usually in the morning. after breakfast shall i say.
what i encounter is not somekind of RLS but rather kidney pains during detox. and talking about the Thomas recipe, i have just started it.
i dont think this will help at all.
can you like....give me anything that would reduce this pains during detox.