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ugh where to start
I am detoxing not at my own doing this second. I have been on oxy's for years. I suffer from endometriosis, degenerative spine and joint problems(they think RA) Originally i started taking them for cramps regarding the endo. only as needed meaning a couple days out of the month. i started getting alot of spinal pain and realized they helped with that. I also realized for the first time in years i could sleep. of course, .5 of a TEC worked for a very long time because they were taking so rarely. I have had two children. both to which i didn't use any while pregnant or nursing. After I had my second(a 30 hour difficult delivery) i couldn't walk due to back trauma. Try taking care of a 3 year old and a new born when you can't get up without screaming. The doctor thought i broke a disk in my back at least. Thats when we learned i had a couple that were degenerating. so in order to take care of my kids, i had to stop nursing and go back on the meds(a very hard thing for me to do) my back let go one morning when I was picking my daughter out of her crib and I dropped her about 6 inches(so lucky it wasn't more) back down because my back couldnt support her almost 8 pound weight. Anyway, a couple days after that and a couple days of tears I started to medicate again. My daughter will be 4 next month. So with the exception of one of those years when I was on a suppliment-i didnt take percs. sadly, my health coverage doesn't cover suppliments. only medicines prescribed. when my ex and i split i couldn't afford to stay on the things that worked. I didn't detox one bit(thankfully) perhaps because in 3 weeks i went down half my intake of oxy's and by 6 weeks of started the supps i was off the oxy's. Yesterday, I got my first box of suppliments in a very long time. i was looking forward to stopping the percs again over a few weeks. My doctor however just didn't return my calls regarding my meds being out(for days ahead of running out) Last week, he started me on combination therapy(which i fear horribly) 2mg morphine in combo with the percs. I do not like morphine at all(hate it actually) it gives me bad bad headaches. but here i am. bottle of morphine, no percs, and in the first stages of detox and freaking the frig out. I have two small children and my boyfriend is bedridden with pnemonia. I am terrified. what do people do when they have small kids or sick people to take care of? how on earth am i going to manage dt's and run my house? there is no one that can help me. I have no where for the kids to go. the neighbours can't as they are all sick as well.
So it appears as though my plan for a 6 week deduction(due to children) is being thrown at me now. I haven't been at full dose for a week but still consuming up until yesterday. I have been up since 3am twitching. I dont sleep(as you guys know about that) I sleep 3-4 hours at night. thats a good night!
My body went into addiction, not by choice or want. but it did because I can't walk if I dont medicate. I crawl up the stairs like a little toddler. I am non functioning.
since my doctor has buggered off(again) I cant ask him to script me for anything you guys mentioned. I think i have some lorozepam(1mg) somewhere around here.. but i dont want to make things worse.
all day i have been cranky(real cranky) cold, hot, cold hot and i have horrid stomach issue's on a good week. now this? immodium doesn't work for me so screwed up that one. i could take 6 immodium and it would slow me down to 5 trips to the bathroom a day lol. the percs really helped with that sadly.
Anyway, the water tip i can drink. bananas i cannot consume. i am on my suppliment.. but what else do I do? I am so scared what this weekend will be like for my kids.
if your still reading.
THanks
(sorry for typos-hands not working)
So it appears as though my plan for a 6 week deduction(due to children) is being thrown at me now. I haven't been at full dose for a week but still consuming up until yesterday. I have been up since 3am twitching. I dont sleep(as you guys know about that) I sleep 3-4 hours at night. thats a good night!
My body went into addiction, not by choice or want. but it did because I can't walk if I dont medicate. I crawl up the stairs like a little toddler. I am non functioning.
since my doctor has buggered off(again) I cant ask him to script me for anything you guys mentioned. I think i have some lorozepam(1mg) somewhere around here.. but i dont want to make things worse.
all day i have been cranky(real cranky) cold, hot, cold hot and i have horrid stomach issue's on a good week. now this? immodium doesn't work for me so screwed up that one. i could take 6 immodium and it would slow me down to 5 trips to the bathroom a day lol. the percs really helped with that sadly.
Anyway, the water tip i can drink. bananas i cannot consume. i am on my suppliment.. but what else do I do? I am so scared what this weekend will be like for my kids.
if your still reading.
THanks
(sorry for typos-hands not working)
pkmause..agree...and ovarian cancer patient who is terminal..and most are..need to seek quality of life as theuy mauy not have much life left
It is a choice..being chronic pain patient myself..the pain of addiction//mental addiction became more painful than my actual pain issue..but that is me..and we r all different..for many true Addicts there comes a time when we take pain meds to get up and get out the door//not really for pain anymore..as our dose has become so high we resort to illegal methods to obtain them..i found myself in places I never woulda been had i not become so mentally dependent on narcotics for a non-addict narcotic pain control can be the only quality of life one has...addicts //true addicts r a very small percentage of the population of narcotics would not be prescribed if everyone became a drug seeker...I was..and most here were//but in reqality most can use narcotics and never have an issue with addiction..seems as if adddicts//those chemically/NT wise/to addiction build tolerence faster than those who r not true addicts.....probably cos an addicts abuses their narcotics...who knows? we r all different..and it is a curse to be afflicted with chronic pain and also be an addict///chronic pain is painful enuf for me without the added emotional pain of addiction..I had to choose...and I wish the best to those who r afflicted with both//chronic pain and addiction///cos it taint an easy choice
It is a choice..being chronic pain patient myself..the pain of addiction//mental addiction became more painful than my actual pain issue..but that is me..and we r all different..for many true Addicts there comes a time when we take pain meds to get up and get out the door//not really for pain anymore..as our dose has become so high we resort to illegal methods to obtain them..i found myself in places I never woulda been had i not become so mentally dependent on narcotics for a non-addict narcotic pain control can be the only quality of life one has...addicts //true addicts r a very small percentage of the population of narcotics would not be prescribed if everyone became a drug seeker...I was..and most here were//but in reqality most can use narcotics and never have an issue with addiction..seems as if adddicts//those chemically/NT wise/to addiction build tolerence faster than those who r not true addicts.....probably cos an addicts abuses their narcotics...who knows? we r all different..and it is a curse to be afflicted with chronic pain and also be an addict///chronic pain is painful enuf for me without the added emotional pain of addiction..I had to choose...and I wish the best to those who r afflicted with both//chronic pain and addiction///cos it taint an easy choice
Welcome to the forum..there is alot of support here
what was ur dose..I am assuming it was alot for the wds u describe..I was a 100 mg hydro user//started for pain...i have degenerative disc disease and endometriosis as well..no one ever rx-ed me narcs for endo///surgery is the fix for that to remove it//not narcs and considering where endometriosis pain comes from it is not considered as a choice for pain relief for endometriosis by most physicians//depo provera..a drug that stops periods will also put endometriosis down cos it is caused by uterine bleeding
DDD sux! I have completely lost 2 discs to this disease///and have plates in my neck...thing is how u r feeling right now sounds worse than the pain from DDD...DDD is part of aging to a certain degree and everyone has some degree of disc degeneration with age..but u do not sound very old? over 40 some disc loss is inevitable for most peeps//some have pain..most do not...but there r different degrees of DDD...but u can not "break" a disc..u can rupture a disc..but it is not a bone// it is the cushioning btw the bones and when they are completely worn away then u have bone on bone//which is painful for almost everyone
Pain and narcotic abuse is tough...being an addict with chronic pain does not seem fair..u stated lots of reasons why u need to take pain meds..perhaps u need to find a dr who will respond to ur needs? It is hard to find a dr to RX pain meds long term as they become liable for RX-ing them due to abuse...doesnt sound like u feel u abused them??? but it does sound like u were on a very high dose from the wds u described
Oral morphine is not a DOC for most peeps as it just makes u sleepy or feel yucky if u abuse it...so often a better choice than hydro or oxy as it does give good pain relief without the urge to abuse it...u dont hear of alot of "swallowing" pill poppers buying morphine////those who shoot it love it//kinda like dilaudid//not a good high when swallowed whole .
It doesnt sound like u abused ur meds but that u really need them from ur post??? I abused mine and i know i am an addict...my wd was mostly mental vs physical at 100 mgs of hydro per day//cos I am an ADDICT..it is hard for an addict to really be able to relate to someone who never abused their narcs//cos most of us did//all of us did i think..so is why we r on an addict forum
there is a pain forum on medhelp..they use narcs responsibly for pain..most are not addicts..if u r physically dependent only..ie..never abused ur narcs or ran out before refill day...u may get some helpful info there
If u read the health pages there r lost of supps over the counter to help u now..the thomas recipe rox..if ur dr refuses to help u thru this physical wd by prescribing safe meds to help u thru this..then u need to find another dr...
Pain meds were never meant to be used long term..but for acute pain only due to tolerence to them and growing tolerence that can become insatiable...narcs do not really do anything directly to relieve pain like other methods of pain relief do//narcs only interrupt the pain signall to the brain to make u not care so much that u hurt..they release endorphins to keep u happy//for a while//and not focus on the pain..this endorphin release is what makes them deadly..and not a good choice for long term pain relief..it actually took me 4 yrs to reach 100 mgs a day of hydro...5 mgs would do what 100 gs did in the beginning..but it just grows and grows//tolerence does..some faster than otheres..there just comes a time when the dose peeps have to take just to feel normal..to get up out of the bed becomes extraordinary..making narcotics a bad choice long term for many
sounds like ur kids r causing u alot of stress right now..do u have anyone to help u this week? any family to watch them for a bit so u can rest? If u get some rest perhaps u will fel better mentally as children can be tough//but when u feel so bad that they become a burden is not good...is there anything u can do to get some time off? Gosh they grow up so fast! and they r gone!
Read thru the health pages and learn what u can do to help urself thru this..I am not quite sure what ur goals are? But a safe drug most will call in is phenergan..it help nausea, runny nose, sleep and anxiety if taken at small doses...educate urself...and perhaps look at this picture long term...finding alternative measures for apin relief can be important for some if they have chronic pain..the pain forum is a great place to learn..other non-adictive drugs like muscle relaxers, anti-inflamatories, benadryl, valerian root, melatonin and the amino acids..also imodium can help lots right now...1-2 imodium a day would stop the runs for me...if u r having the runs this horribly then pushing fluids is imperative cos dehydration feels worse than wds
Hang tight and u will make it thru this...sux major hotdogs bt u will make it thru...what ur choices are after that are urs...but going thru this is just not worth it..keep posting
what was ur dose..I am assuming it was alot for the wds u describe..I was a 100 mg hydro user//started for pain...i have degenerative disc disease and endometriosis as well..no one ever rx-ed me narcs for endo///surgery is the fix for that to remove it//not narcs and considering where endometriosis pain comes from it is not considered as a choice for pain relief for endometriosis by most physicians//depo provera..a drug that stops periods will also put endometriosis down cos it is caused by uterine bleeding
DDD sux! I have completely lost 2 discs to this disease///and have plates in my neck...thing is how u r feeling right now sounds worse than the pain from DDD...DDD is part of aging to a certain degree and everyone has some degree of disc degeneration with age..but u do not sound very old? over 40 some disc loss is inevitable for most peeps//some have pain..most do not...but there r different degrees of DDD...but u can not "break" a disc..u can rupture a disc..but it is not a bone// it is the cushioning btw the bones and when they are completely worn away then u have bone on bone//which is painful for almost everyone
Pain and narcotic abuse is tough...being an addict with chronic pain does not seem fair..u stated lots of reasons why u need to take pain meds..perhaps u need to find a dr who will respond to ur needs? It is hard to find a dr to RX pain meds long term as they become liable for RX-ing them due to abuse...doesnt sound like u feel u abused them??? but it does sound like u were on a very high dose from the wds u described
Oral morphine is not a DOC for most peeps as it just makes u sleepy or feel yucky if u abuse it...so often a better choice than hydro or oxy as it does give good pain relief without the urge to abuse it...u dont hear of alot of "swallowing" pill poppers buying morphine////those who shoot it love it//kinda like dilaudid//not a good high when swallowed whole .
It doesnt sound like u abused ur meds but that u really need them from ur post??? I abused mine and i know i am an addict...my wd was mostly mental vs physical at 100 mgs of hydro per day//cos I am an ADDICT..it is hard for an addict to really be able to relate to someone who never abused their narcs//cos most of us did//all of us did i think..so is why we r on an addict forum
there is a pain forum on medhelp..they use narcs responsibly for pain..most are not addicts..if u r physically dependent only..ie..never abused ur narcs or ran out before refill day...u may get some helpful info there
If u read the health pages there r lost of supps over the counter to help u now..the thomas recipe rox..if ur dr refuses to help u thru this physical wd by prescribing safe meds to help u thru this..then u need to find another dr...
Pain meds were never meant to be used long term..but for acute pain only due to tolerence to them and growing tolerence that can become insatiable...narcs do not really do anything directly to relieve pain like other methods of pain relief do//narcs only interrupt the pain signall to the brain to make u not care so much that u hurt..they release endorphins to keep u happy//for a while//and not focus on the pain..this endorphin release is what makes them deadly..and not a good choice for long term pain relief..it actually took me 4 yrs to reach 100 mgs a day of hydro...5 mgs would do what 100 gs did in the beginning..but it just grows and grows//tolerence does..some faster than otheres..there just comes a time when the dose peeps have to take just to feel normal..to get up out of the bed becomes extraordinary..making narcotics a bad choice long term for many
sounds like ur kids r causing u alot of stress right now..do u have anyone to help u this week? any family to watch them for a bit so u can rest? If u get some rest perhaps u will fel better mentally as children can be tough//but when u feel so bad that they become a burden is not good...is there anything u can do to get some time off? Gosh they grow up so fast! and they r gone!
Read thru the health pages and learn what u can do to help urself thru this..I am not quite sure what ur goals are? But a safe drug most will call in is phenergan..it help nausea, runny nose, sleep and anxiety if taken at small doses...educate urself...and perhaps look at this picture long term...finding alternative measures for apin relief can be important for some if they have chronic pain..the pain forum is a great place to learn..other non-adictive drugs like muscle relaxers, anti-inflamatories, benadryl, valerian root, melatonin and the amino acids..also imodium can help lots right now...1-2 imodium a day would stop the runs for me...if u r having the runs this horribly then pushing fluids is imperative cos dehydration feels worse than wds
Hang tight and u will make it thru this...sux major hotdogs bt u will make it thru...what ur choices are after that are urs...but going thru this is just not worth it..keep posting
hey girlee...welcome to the forum....wow your plate is full....well it looks like your going to detox this weekend like it or not...the morphine will help but im not a dr and dont want to tell you to take more then prescribed...but it will take away most of your withdrawals
but then you got that to deal with that so no gain using it to ward off the withdrawals...your best bet is just ride out the storm ..for perc's it should only last 4days or so till you start to feel better...mabe a bit longer if you have been on a high dose for a long period you dident state how much or how long and that will have alot to do with how sever your withdrawals will be...hot baths help a lot not much else you can do but ride it out....if you believe in God ...I found prayer very helpful detoxing..Gods all you got at 3am if you can find your script for the benzo you have it will help a little but time is really all thats going to cure you at this point...
I wish I had more for you ....I feel your pain I became addicted to pain pills from a back ingery also....im 88days clean today but you dont want to go where I have been...if you cant sleep and are looking for somthing to read click on my name and go to my jurnal and read my story....I think it will incorage you to quit wile you still can...just remember it wont kill you ..it will only make you stronger in the end
and if your like me you may just find out you can live more pain free without narcotics then with them...for right now get comfortable with the fraze....you just got to be ok without being ok for a wile....you will pull thew this its only a few days you have the rest of your life ahead of you...try to stay bissy and keep posting theres usually someone around to talk to...good luck and god bless.....Gnarly
but then you got that to deal with that so no gain using it to ward off the withdrawals...your best bet is just ride out the storm ..for perc's it should only last 4days or so till you start to feel better...mabe a bit longer if you have been on a high dose for a long period you dident state how much or how long and that will have alot to do with how sever your withdrawals will be...hot baths help a lot not much else you can do but ride it out....if you believe in God ...I found prayer very helpful detoxing..Gods all you got at 3am if you can find your script for the benzo you have it will help a little but time is really all thats going to cure you at this point...
I wish I had more for you ....I feel your pain I became addicted to pain pills from a back ingery also....im 88days clean today but you dont want to go where I have been...if you cant sleep and are looking for somthing to read click on my name and go to my jurnal and read my story....I think it will incorage you to quit wile you still can...just remember it wont kill you ..it will only make you stronger in the end
and if your like me you may just find out you can live more pain free without narcotics then with them...for right now get comfortable with the fraze....you just got to be ok without being ok for a wile....you will pull thew this its only a few days you have the rest of your life ahead of you...try to stay bissy and keep posting theres usually someone around to talk to...good luck and god bless.....Gnarly
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