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vicoprofen/hyrdocodone withdrawal

I came upon this cite this morning as I sit here waiting for a call from my doctor about refilling a vicoprofen prescription. I've never done anything like this before (a bulletin board). But I too want to get off this stuff but seem incapable. I have a job I love but that is very stressful. I get up at 4:45 am to work out of my home so that when I pick my daughter up from preschool at noon, I can have the day with her, unencumbered my other things (mainly my job). She is 4 and the joy of my life. Her father takes her to her preschool. I am currently taking about 4-5 per day for migraines; it really helps, but I also recognize that I am taking it now because I need it to exist well. I, like others, have taken Ultram. It certainly will keep the withdrawal symptoms of hydrocodone away, but only causes its own. I am just curious for any responses; I want to quit this, but I know if my doctor calls back and I have a prescription, I'll be at the pharmacy within 30 minutes... I guess this is a cry for help, so Help!
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Had a question.  I was taking Norco for the past 3-4 months - 10-12 at a time.  All my scrips ran out except for 10 Duragesic patches. (25mg)  The day I ran out I started having withdrawals.  I proceeded to use one patch - it took about 12 hours to kick in.  I have been on the patch for 14 days now. 1 patch per 3 days.  The first few days I was in some pain.  But I am actually feeling ok now.  I know the fentanyl in the patches is another opiod.  Does anyone have any experiences concerning getting off the duragesic patches.  Just want to know ahead of time before the patches run out so I know what to expect.  Thank you in advance for your help.
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I have a question.  I had back surgery, and had a big bottle of hydrocodone left over.  I just stopped taking them when the Dr. mentioned that they could be addictive.  I kept them though, in case of emergency.  He said I could take one if I wanted to try something like skiing.  Well, that is dumb, but I do want to try it someday soon.  I was hurting last week a little more than usual, so I asked the pharmacist if Hydrocodne would interfere with anything else I was taking.  He said it would be fine.  So, I did use it for about a week.  My ankles and feet became so swollen, that they felt like they were going to split.  I thought it was my allergy pills, and stopped taking them.(Zertec)
Now I just remembered that I was taking the hydrocodone at that time.  Does it cause swelling?  I don't remember it doing that when I came home from the surgery, but it did keep me knocked out, so how would I remember anything.  I really hate that stuff, but still haven't thrown it away.  I really don't want to be tempted to use it again , if it does cause swelling.
Thanks for any info you guys might have.
Critterpainter- A lady with painting fever.
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Thanks nod your detox plan works.  I used a conversion table to
convert the drug I was taking to the one you used.  It worked and
now I have been drug free for 10 days.

Thanks
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I would like to thank nod for his tapering schedule.
I am taking another drug but there are conversion tables
so I converted to 7.5 mg of Hydrocodone to the drug I am
taking.  

I have searched long and hard for a schedule that would
work in a reasonable time and not cause to much pain.
His detox schedule workes fine and is the first one I
could find that gives you how to do it.  Other's are for
you to go to a drug treatment center, they never work and
are too expensive !!!  

Thanks for your schedule it worked fine.  I had very little
trouble and towards the end I got the doctor to give me ambien
for sleep.  It works great.

Also taking elivil an anti-depressient really helps with the
jitters.  I cut down on benzo's with it and it really helped.
25 mg once during the day really helps.  More will make you
really sleeply.  It can also be used for sleep at 75 mg at night.


Nod thanks for your help
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I would like to thank nod for his tapering schedule.
I am taking another drug but there are conversion tables
so I converted to 7.5 mg of Hydrocodone to the drug I am
taking.  

I have searched long and hard for a schedule that would
work in a reasonable time and not cause to much pain.
His detox schedule workes fine and is the first one I
could find that gives you how to do it.  Other's are for
you to go to a drug treatment center, they never work and
are too expensive !!!  

Thanks for your schedule it worked fine.  I had very little
trouble and towards the end I got the doctor to give me ambien
for sleep.  It works great.

Also taking elivil an anti-depressient really helps with the
jitters.  I cut down on benzo's with it and it really helped.
25 mg once during the day really helps.  More will make you
really sleeply.  It can also be used for sleep at 75 mg at night.


Nod thanks for your help
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I have just started taking Vicoprofen for a back injury.  I'm already addicted to Ativan, but that is just part of life.  My question is, how long can I safely take Vicoprofen before I become addicted?
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I have just started taking Vicoprofen for a back injury.  I'm already addicted to Ativan, but that is just part of life.  My question is, how long can I safely take Vicoprofen before I become addicted?
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Welcome to the forum.  You might want to post higher up on the forum for more feedback, for I am one of the very few who check down here for the shy.  If you want to get clean, you can.  Do you use daily or just when you can?  If it is not a daily habit, but an obsession, then you are lucky.  You will not go through the physical w/d.  The psychological ones can be just as bad.  You have to get strong and mean about drugs.  They are not your friend.  I lost my nursing license, my marriage, and most of my family.  If I had not quit, I would be doing flat backs for $25.
If anyone offers you drugs, they are not your friend.  Changing people, places, and things is of most importance.  Find an NA meeting.  Go early, make coffee - stay late, clean up.  You will learn to stay clean.  Get a sponsor, soon after finding an NA meeting.   Good Luck.    Post higher up on the forum.    Ava
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This is all very new to me.
I will admit to myself...that I am an addict.
This has been going on for years, back and forth.
This last year has been the worst.
I have found myself doing the craziest things to get pain meds, just to feel good about life.
I have even rumaged through other peoples medicine cabinets hoping to score.
You name it...I've done it.
I don't have a supply of med's...so I guess that's a good thing.
But how do I get this monkey off my back.
I think about pills all the time.
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To 1/31 posting from groovy. I had withdrawls for two months and then found out becoming an alky again makes it all fun again. And do lots of walking.I feel like new.
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To 1/31 posting from lanas. I had withdrawls for two months and then found out becoming an alky again makes it all fun again. And do lots of walking.I feel like new.
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ash

I stand corrected. Nux vomica is a homeopathic. I also researched and found out that when used in certain amounts it actually stimulates the central nervous system kind of like keeping it well oiled!! Apparently they used it alot in the civil war to keep the soldiers clear minded and alert as well as stable!! interesting, no? Anyway, if you know anything else about it please let me know. Anyway take care and my best is with you.

the ash
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ash

Hey thanks alot for the encouraging words my friend. I have much faith in you as well. I get desperate to try whatever I can to help myself to keep a stable outlook on it all. And congratulations to you too my friend for having the strength and courage to even come to this forum. For me, that is half the job!! talk to ya later man. My best is with you.



  the ash
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Sorry I'm late responding, but thanks so much for all the great information, Ash & Attitude. It's really interesting stuff.

But Ash, I've got to tell you the possibility that I might be able to find the discipline let alone the bare energy within me right now to do what you are doing is just not a great one.  

I really admire you, though. And envy you. Really.

I can tell just in the way you post that you're going to do fine. Congratulations, man.
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i think nux vomica is a homeopathic remedy as opposed to an herbal one-homeopathy uses very minute amounts to trigger the bodys own immune response- i believe a guy named heinermann (sp) first promoted its use- and for some things like sprains and bruises arnica is a proven treatment- but for other things dont have the info- sorry
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ash

I'd be happy to:

Nux vomica is an herb that helps with digestive juices, heartburn, basically when you are in detox it can ease the nausea and digestive and/or bowel movement. Also, it apparently is supposed to help suppress physical and mental cravings. It is an herb so it might work better with some and not so good with others. You can find it at most drug stores. It "re-wires" brain chemistries I'm told. About Hap Ki Do. It is a Korean Martial Art. I mentioned it because the last two years I have been taking it, it has helped me to change my life. The disicpline it gives you and confidence as well as physical health is priceless to me. I recommend any kind of routine "something" whether it be boxing,karate,tae bo,fencing,running whatever fits you to your liking. I am tall and slender so Tae Kwon Do and Hap Ki Do seemed like a natural choice for me. Tae Kwon Do is Korean too and is mainly kicking and forms, Hap Ki Do is mainly joint locking, elbow and knee breaks and grappling. I like to do both. Perfect combination. Anyway, If you have any questions or are interested I can give you more information. Me being undisciplined in my life, this has made a tremendous impact in helping me fight addiction. I hope this helps. Good luck. send a message anytime you feel like it, I'll be here for a while!


   the ash
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Ash, what are "hap ki do" and "nux vomica"?

Could you explain what they do?

Thanks.
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ash
Hello everyone. I haven't posted for a couple of weeks cause I broke down and went on a f*** binger. I feel so shameful and guilty. I really hate the loss of control and the master I served called vicodin or really shall I say synthetic morphine. I read all of the postings from all of the regulars on the forum.
i'm on day 2 so I feel like hell. But I am determined to fight. I take hap ki do so that helps alot. I find that exercise really helps you to flush and sweat the toxins out of your body faster. I was also informed of a natural drug called nux vomica that is really supposed to help with addiction. I think it is similar to valerian root. I suggest that too to help sleeping through the withdrawals, 'cause to me there is nothing worse than the fidgets at night the mental and physical anguish that is withdrawal. I wish only love and light for my fellow addicts. I am glad I have somewhere to go to talk about this. I think there are a many smart and good people here and I want to see you and I enjoy life as sober beings unchained from the grips of a darkness called addiction. A constant inner battle for me. Like two people inside my head constantly battling it out for light for dark. I pray to god for strenght and wisdom in this time of hardship. I would love to talk and respond to anyone who wishes to do so as well. God bless

ash
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Your reaction is most definately from trying to stop the paxil also... I have tried to do that and it is literally hell, after 4 days of throwing up and being in a painlike state, when I was finally able to get out of bed, I had the brain jolts, severly. I have also encountered the so called brain jolts by forgetting to take my dose. When I finally thought I was getting over the worst part the anxiety set back in and I put myself right back on them. I couldn't tell you for sure, but I am with the rest when they say that the Paxil cannot be abruptly stopped, it has to be tapered and then I wonder myself if the "brain jolts" will ever go away.

Now for me, my first posting and I am a vic addict. I have been taking them for over a year. At fisrt it was the high, I loved it, it was mild and calming and just made me feel wonderful. As time passed, I too raised my intake and am taking (when I can) at least 1 and a half to 2 and a half pills at a time. I was diagnosed last may with fibromyalgia. I now believe that I may have used that as an excuse to keep taking them. When you don't take them, you have pain. I now think it may be just because of the vicodin. I also now wonder if I was wrongly diagnosed because my Dr. had no idea I was taking the vics.

Now that I have admitted to myself that I have an addiction problem, I am ready for the long road to wellness. Just don't know yet how to go about it. I am considering calling my Dr. and coming clean with her and seeing what her recourse would be. By the way, she will not prescribe vics for me, I have found other ways to get them. Or should I try to go cold turkey as my source may be dry? Or do I look up detox centers?

Anyway, I have been reading the posts here now for a few days and they are an inspiration to me, but I have to admit, I still want a pill and will probably succomb... thing is I only have 2 left....

Best wishes to all recovering addicts and those still trying, I will be back
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As far as you stopping your Paxil, I'm sure that can be contributing to some of the feelings you are having.  I take Effexor & if I take it later than normal or god forbid, miss a dose, I get very sick.  I get these 'brain zingers' that is like something I can't hardly explain.  I read someone elses explanation that "you can feel & HEAR your eyes moving"  I know it sounds crazy but that was the best description I had heard.  My point is, going off of an antidepressant can cause some serious side effects.  I would recommend you take your normal dosage until your Dr. tapers you off.  Just a thought...
Hang in there, Shellbo
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Drug Rep--I read your comments on 2/9 & I'm curiose about the Doc-Rep relationship & the "free prescribers" I got a warning from the DEA a few months ago because of a dr that would prescribe anything & everything & also because I had been dr shopping, he had a computer print out of every narcotic I had ever had. I would appreciate you'r comments.

Naive--I have been on alot of pain meds the past 3 years because of a seriouse illness. I've been off and on them so at times I have had w/d symptoms. I was on norco for about 2 years & did have the restless leg sensation. I had some klonepin & I took a couple at night & it helped w/the restless legs, not being able to sleep, & anxiety. There are other meds that your dr can give you if you talk to him about what's going on. Hope that helps. Let me know.
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I sustained some significant orthopedic fractures after a car accident 4 months ago. I was placed on Norco for pain management and was taking 6-10 tablets a day for the first 3 months. I had weaned myself down to 2 tablets a day and then quit "cold turkey". Nobody told me that I would experience withdrawl symptoms, but boy oh boy did I. It has been 2 weeks without any opiates and I feel much better than 1 week ago. However, I feel a restless sensation in my legs with a "prickly" sensation and have difficulty staying asleep. Is this part of the withdrawl process? Anybody have similar symptoms?  Help.
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Thank you, Shellbo, for answering me!  As for the rest of you, is this a clique you have to do something special to get into??!!
(Just kidding!)  I'm on my 5th full day with no hydrocodone, but
am not seeing the improvement some of you refer to after the 4th
day or so.  I told my husband that I am scared I might have a
seizure because of the way my brain is firing:  very shaky, dizzy, brain "jolts".  He still says that he cannot imagine me
being "addicted" just taking two 7.5 per day.  I neglected to say
that I also halted my Paxil 40mg about the same time.  (I took
1/2 of one today just to try to combat the weird effects I am
experiencing.)  I am going to have to call in sick tomorrow because I am so weak and dizzy.  What the heck is going on?
I have been taking some Soma (for back spasms), so it shouldn't
be a total disaster, as it is.  JUST NOW, MY BRAIN DID THIS VERY
WEIRD KIND OF SHAKE THING WHERE IT FEELS AS  IF IT WERE LOOSE AND
GOING TO VIBRATE OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!  Would love some more input
as I am totally clueless.  I am just a typical middle-class,
mid-western, teacher, housewife sort of type and I'm afraid I'm
going to die!!!!   Well, not quite that dramatic -- please respond to the new kid on the block!

Thanks -- blue hawaii
P.S. -- I'm not an Elvis fan, I just couldn't find a password
that was not taken.  "Blue Hawaii" was like the 7th one I tried!
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I can understand your concerns & your physical feelings.....I'm going through it myself.  Like yourself, I wasn't taking the larger amounts per day like some of the others.  However, I do have an addiction problem.  I'm not sure what the 'technical' definition is for addiction, but I know that when I personally HAD to have them to get through my day, something is seriously wrong.  I've also had to quit as my supply ran out & I very much doubt you have the flu.  That's what withdraw feels like.  Aches, stomach problems, etc....I know for me I'm on an emotional roller coaster, & as of tonight find it hard to stop the tears.  If I could get my hands on some 'tabs' I'd take them in a heartbeat.  I can't tell you what to do as far as your upcoming script.  If it were me, I would get it filled but taper yourself down.  Honesty with your doctor ( & yourself) is the beginning.......Be thinking Of you,  Shellbo.
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