whithdrawal and setbacks ( slip ups)

[pax]

I was taking a truckload of Oxycontin after an auto accident left me with back and neck problems ( surgeries ) I was taking oxy but was not long before i started chewing them. Was chewing 4 1/2 80mg pills and also taking 180 norco 10/325's alonf with 240 5mg oxtcodone for breakthru pain. One day I chewed 5 oxy 80mg pills and I knew I had to be done.I decided to go cold turkey and it has been a little over 2 weeks of absolute skincrawling anxiety wheeling hell!!! I has refills on the Norco and after 2 weeks I slipped. I sat and takled myself into it and took 8 norco the first day ( by the way I was taking 18 norcco at once) along with the oxyconton. Anyway the next day i took 8 and was found out by my fiance (who was pissed!!) I took ten later that night because I knew she would flush them, so why not give my pain another 3 hour breather. That was about 5 days ago and it doesn't seem like it really set me back as far as the withdrawal goes. Finally,my question is when will the anxiety subside? It is draining and just outright debilitating. I have forced myself to the gym a few tiles lately just to get off the couch and try to kick these feelings but every day the anxiety hangs in there. What am I in for? when will I feel normal with energy again so I can get back to being me??? Anyone?? Is my withdrawal longer due to the amount (extremely high amounts)??Doessomeone have a good answer for me on this?

[indigois6]

Hi - I've told others in this forum this, but I was taking about 7 - 10 5mg Percosets or Fioricets per day for the last couple years and I'm on 9 days pretty much of being pill free (well, one slip up on Sunday night, one 5mg tab - which was a waste of time because I didn't feel anything). The anxiety for me is the WORST. It doesn't sound like you've talked to your Dr. about your addiction(?) and I didn't completely come clean with mine either, but she knows I was taking too many pills for my migraines and is helping me out. Anyhoo, do yourself a favor and call in for some anti-anxiety pills - just a couple weeks supply maybe, such as Lorezapam, Valium, Xanax, whatever. It's the only thing that is saving me from jumping out of my skin. I think if I've gotten 3 hours sleep here and there, that's alot. People have also said eat a couple of bananas everyday because of the potassium which helps with tremors. I've found that to be pretty comforting when your pacing the floor at 3am! I am dying to take a few pills today because it's my day off and that's when I would do the most. That's why I jumped on this site again. It's really helpful. Try to keep busy. The first time I quit it took me a full week to feel better. This time it's taking longer because I'm taking more. With your high quantity could take a bit longer but there is light at the end of the tunnel - hang in there! Good luck!

[Forum-M.D.-rcb]

Pax:

I had just read the posting by Powderhunter just adjacent to yours and I may have attributed a comment by him to you, but otherwise the same applies to both of you.

[pax]

THANKS FOR THE INPUT. I AM UNDER DOCTOR'S SUPERVISION AND HAVE BEEN SINCE THE START AND I DID COME CLEAN ALL THE WAY WITH MY DOC RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. HE WS NOT MUCH HELP AS HE WAS 200 MILES AWAY AS I HAVE JUST MOVED.( I DROVE EVERY 2 MONTHS TO GET MY SCRIPTS REFILLED.
I WENT TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED FOR MY HEALTH GOING COLD TURKET OFF OF THE ENORMOUS QUANTITY I WAS INJESTING. I WAS GIVEN ATIVAN AND REFERRED TO ANOTHER FAMILY DOC WHOM HAPPENED TO COME FROM A PAIN CLINIC( BY THE WAY HE **** WHEN I TOLD HIM I ACTUALLY CHEWED FIVE 80MG OXYCONTIN!!!) AS WELL AS THE OTHER MEDS AND 1/2 A FIFTH OF VODCA A NIGHT. HOPE ALL GOES WELL FOR ALL THE OTHERS OUT THERE STRUGGLING TO EEK OUT ANOTHER DAY. IT WILL END! I KNOW THIS   THANKS

[Thomas03]

how dare you? I'm supposed to be at the high end of the abuse/stupidity spectrum. 18 Norco at once. Mmmmmm. I'd go for it if I only had the supply. But I guess you're the new title holder. Congrats.

The king is dead, god save the king.

Thomas

[pax]

THANKS FOR THE LAUGH!! LAUGHTER IS THE BEST HEALER!! NOT TRYING FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS BUT BUDDY..... I CHEWED 5 80MG OXYCONTIN AT ONCE AND CHASED IT WITH THE 18 NORCO!! LOLOL JUST LOOKIN FOR THE REAL CREDIT WHERE DUE.  ( HA HA ) TAKE CARE, HOPE YOUR HEALING IS GOING WELL. THANKS AGAIN FOR THE LAUGH

[pax]

BY THE WAY THOMAS.......IF YOU DO THE MATH....5 80 MG OXYCONTIN (BY THE WAY TWICE DAILY) IS EQUIVILANT TO 80 PERCOCET AT ONCE! STILL HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT, THAT IS THE REAL SURPRISE!   CYA

[Thomas03]

it's not the oxycodone or hydro I was thinking of. That's mother's milk to me. It's the 350 or 500mg of tylenol per percocet, Lortab or Norco. That's what will get ya. I'm not kidding, my man. Death by liver failure isn't pleasant. It's painful and, after the doctors tell you there's nothing they can do, you'll have several days to think about how you threw your life away. No joke.

Thomas

[pax]

I AGREE THOMAS, I FEEL I TRULY SKATED DEATH ON THIS ONE AND BY NO MEANS AM BRAGGING OF MY IGNORANCE. I DID HAVE MY BLODDWORK DONE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND LIVER ENZYMES WERE BELIEVE IT OR NOT NEVER SO MUCH AS ELEVATED. I TRULY FEEL I WAS LET OFF THE HOOK AND I THANK GOD FOR THAT! THANKS FOR THE INPUT AND THE EARLIER LAUGH- TAKE CARE

[RngrDoc]

So very sorry to break in on everyones discussion here but i've been attempting to post a question for a very long time!

I've got itractable pain in my Cervical & Lumbar Spine from DJD, disc herniation(s)& spurs. I spent eight months of 2002 on ever increasing doses of Oxycontin ultimately 240mg a day & 90mg IRM for break thru. Due to the outrageuos constipation & loss of interest in most of lifes activities I DC'd all meds CT on Dec 6. I went thru what I found to be excruciating anxiety, chills,aches & insomnia for nearly 2 weeks with a real sense of normalancy not returning for 10 to 12 weeks.

To give some true insight into the Big picture I would let you know that I have been in recovery from substance abuse for 17 years, a largely faithful member of AA. I had smoked a significant amount of pot in my youth & had quite a fancy with cola, I had limited exposure to opium & none to herion. Though I had some minor issues surrounding the medicinal use of opioids it certainly didn't stop me from taking them. I only chewed an oxycontin 1 time early on (40mg)& had a close encounter with an old enemy of mine who i'de swore would never have me again. I would be lying if I were to say I didn't utterly enjoy the hipnotic effect of the Dragon dancing in my head just before sleep replaced the hypnosis. However, the relief of PAIN was the most liberating thing I had experienced in over a decade.

So hear I am squeaky clean, only on 20mg Prozacin the AM, Toprimate & Zanaflex at bedtime. I sleep 3-4hrs a night wake up multiple times toss & turn am tired & miserable all day, depressed, angry, frustrated & with my constant companion PAIN!
I get the feeling that I'm speaking largely to a group of persons just like myself. I know I could & can easily loose my soul to this stuff which is worse to me than loosing my life. However, there are times when I'm so miserable from the chore of living like this that I wonder which alternative is least not most desirable.

I saw my freindly VA shrink today & as always she wanted to know if I was going to do myself, again I responded that if it were not for my wife & children it would have been over long ago as suicide is the eptitomy of selfishness and I dealt with too many lifeless bodies to dump that on my family.

Are there any of you who are or know of people like us who successfully utilize Narcotics for Pain Management and if so any insight would be greatly appreciated.

[tobie]

Man I thought eating 5 at a time was a lot but damn!!! You must be a very brave person,my congrats to you.I am 5 days clean of a 20 a day hydro/oxy habit(if you wanna call it a habit,more like a nightmare)Anyway I'm feeling awful but this is my 4th detox and I'm praying for success this time but I feel very weak right now so I'm hoping not to be put in a situation that might mess me up.Anyway,I was wondering ifsomeone could help,it want let me post a question so I apologize for interupting this thread.My husband is cleaning out my med cabinet to make sure nothing good is in there and he stumbled across 6 little pills that we don't recognize.Is there a website where you an identify pills?If so would someone give it to me.Otherwise does anyone recognize a small pill with a brown looking coating on it and it has 2103 v on one side and blank on the other.Any info would be great.Thanks for all you do, you have really helped me.I'll keep you all in my prayers.

[peaz]

try www.rxlist.com-----------

[pax]

Hello tobie, ya 5 80's is straight insanity.I feel I escaped death by a thread. (along with the 18norco as wellas drinking 1/2 a fifth of stoli'e vodka a night) I am amazed my liver didn't give up and tell me to f... off!  lol )
Anyway...in regards to your mystery pills I can only say my opinion and that is find a toilet and drop them in and get clean. Who cares what they are. I have already beat the demon, being me, and so can you but stop worrying about what some pills are and get back to being the real you which you know doesn't include opiates. I wish you all the luck and pray you never try to beat my ugly record because I was just plain dancing with death. May god help you have the strenght to beat the addiction and stay clean from the drugs.  take care

[percsnomas]

Hey, Great job on making it to day 5!!!!
I'm hoping this will be the attempt that gets you back your freedom.
I would strongly suggest picking up the L-Tyrosine and Vit B-6; it truly gives a mental and physical boost.

Perserverance breeds success!!!


Keep us posted

[peaz]

Great guns--what was I thinking??? I totally agree w/ pax---throw those suckers away and don't waste time on 6 lousy pills......It DOESN'T matter what they are.  Good luck and keep posting!!!! peaz

[percsnomas]

Hello and Welcome Here

Sorry to read about you having to live with that kind of relentless pain .  Have you talked with some pain management people, to discuss some "different" options; like Buprenorphine???

There are lots of people here(and at other addiction sites) that have to deal with chronic pain and narcotics, and i am hoping that you stay here to get to know some of them(and all of us)

Please post more.

percs

[RngrDoc]

Thanks for response! I've not spoke with the orig PS as I don't know that he's too pleased with me doing the CT thing. His nurse suggested tapering but being the the Addictive Personality I am I figured better to suffer quick & hard than risk poving to myself & others that I am still too sick to handle "it" vs. "it" handling me. Even though i've not played with ETOH or Illicit drugs for sometime I must admit I really enjoyed the break from the real world I first experienced & re-experienced with the incresed dosage.

Last Tuesday I had an Epi in my C-Spine by an new PS I was referred to. I was antimate about my experience last summmer & fall & also about my SA hist. Needless to say few Docs want to tackle the medical & Psycho-social issues I present. They all want to refer me on or place the owness on my primary care Doc who's Mr. Ultra-conservative. Unfortunately i'm in Iowa, where though the people are highly educated they culturally see pain & suffering as a crucial part of the Mid-western work ethic.

So in answer to your question no I have not spoke to anyone about the use of the referenced subject. The
psych yesterday did mention Methadone but just the term scares the living **** out of me & I don't intimidate easily. I just want to find a way to manage this thing without loosing touch with what's important or getting back on the "Crazy Train" as we are the last to know!

[sassy020]

hey everyone! im new to this sight..i ususally do threads on drugabuse.com...very nice people..someone told me about this sight...i have been on oxycontin for a bout 6-8 months..about 120 mills a day...i know that is not as bad as some people, but after one day of no pills, i withdraw so bad...only at night which i get hot flashes and cold sweats...any advice how to get throught this a bit easier? i have so much anxiety when i think about how bad the withdraws are..the more i think about it the worse the anxiety gets...im afraid to go to a doctor because i buy the pills from friends...i dont swallow or chew them..i snort..any help or advice please!!
sassy

[oxic]

Hello, I'm glad you found us!!
Assuming you want to stop:
The first thing i would do is start swallowing your OC's.
You are correct that others have bigger habits, but yours ain't so bad either......still equivalent to 24 regular percocets per day.
Ideally, the best way to taper would be to switch to a fast acting med like percocet or vikes, but if that isn't an option, you can still taper down with the OC's.  If you do choose the latter, the key would be to stabilize at each reduced amount.  Also remember the cardinal rule of tapering, THE LOWER THE SLOWER
Tapering(if you have the will power) can dramatically reduce the shock to the system!!
Read through the Thomas Recipe(posted in a few threads), as there are all kinds of good pointers to getting off opiates(even though it is designed for cold turkey detox).
Your fear of withdrawals is certainly warranted(we all share that one), but i can guarentee it will get exponentially worse the longer you leave it(and the higher doseages that you WILL end up on).  We can definately help you through this, as many here have accomplished exactly what you are facing...........you get the idea; you are not alone!!!!!

Please post more.

percs

[rodewc]

Happy One Yr. Anniversary, hippee; and Easter, All.

rwc~

[indigois6]

Hi - I wanted to toss my two cents in about chronic pain. I've been plagued with severe migraines for about 20 years and have tried just about everything conventional and natural to combat them. Vitamins, herbs, acupuncture, massage, chiropractic, about 25 different types of medications and one day I just gave up because I just mentally couldn't try anything else anymore and then lo and behold, my Dr. prescribed Percosets. That's why I now hang out in this forum if you know what I mean! But, and that's a big BUT - what didn't work for me, may work for you. Have you thought about acupuncture or some other non-traditional healing method? Acupuncture is supposed to be very beneficial for people with back problems. I also attended a pain management class at my local hospital, most pf the people in the class had chronic back pain. They taught us a lot of great relaxation techniques and how to meditate and work through the pain. Most recently, when I decided to give up the Percs (and Fioricet) something kept popping up in books, magazines, etc. and I decided to give it a try. It's called Reiki. It's a hands off (some do a little hands on) healing process done by a trained Reiki practitioner. It's been awesome! My practitioner saw a woman who had to have back surgery every day for 2 months and the woman was able to cancel her surgery. I feel it has definitely speeded up my healing from withdrawing. What I'm about to type could be way too far out for anyone to consider, but many people have found peace from pain by going to a hypnotherapist who does past life regressions. If anyone believes that we are not just here this one and only lifetime, then read on - a lot of pain that we carry can come from an injury, mentally or physically, that was very traumatic to us in a past life. It can be expressed in your body at any time. Your soul and body carries the injury with it. Maybe go to a reputable person and have a past life regression done to find out why this back injury happened to you. Often once that is dicovered the pain subsides. I think you said you're from Iowa, are there any spiritual people there? :) Is that too wacky for everyone? All I can say is I'm ready to try anything again. I have my strength back and if it can help, than what the hell??

[vettezr1]

To wacky?  I am speechless.

[pax]

HEY SASSY. AT LEAST YOU ARE AT THE POINT YOU WANT TO STOP! IF YOU READ MY UGLY STORY I WAS INTO THE OXY'S TOO BUT CHEWED AS MANY AS 5 AT A TIME AND CHASED WITH UP TO 18 NORCO 10/325(EQUIVALENT TO 36 REGULAR VIC'S) AS I HAVE STATED IN OTHER POSTS I AM BY NO MEANS BRAGGING BUT, I DECIDED AT CHEWING FIVE I HAD TO BE DONE AND BY DONE I MEAN COLD TURKEY. YOU NEED TO PLAN ON TELLING ANYONE YOU ARE HIDING YOUR ADDICTION FROM YOU HAVE THE FLU OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. THEN GUT UP AND TAKE YOUR LUMPS. I WAS 2 WEEKS OF HELL BUT I WAS ALSO MAKING YOUR QUANITY LOOK LIKE A LIGHT MIDNIGHT SNACK. LOL JACUZZI'S ARE GREAT IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ONE OR EVEN A REAL HOT LONG SHOWER WILL HELP.
I THOUGHT OF TAPERING BUT HONESTLY YOU ARE PROLONGING THE AGONY IN MY OPINION.IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAPER OFF BE TRUE TO YOURSELF OR YOU WILL TALK YOURSELF INTO TAKING A REGULAR DOSE HERE AND THERE AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU ARE BACK AT THE START. I GUESS IT JUST DEPENDS HOW STRONG YOU ARE.?? BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. I HAB MY LAST OXY ABOUT 17 DAYS AGO AND AM ACTUALLY (OTHER THAN A LACK OF ENERGY BY MID DAY) FEELING BACK TO NORMAL.
ONE OTHER THING... GO TO YOUR DOC AND COME CLEAN AND GET SOMETHING LIKE ATIVAN AND  MAYBE A CLONODINE PATCH TO HELP YOU THRU IT. IT EASES THE SUFFERING ANXIETY WHICH IS THE WORST PART OF IT IN MY OPINION. AGAIN...GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND GOD BLESS

[Jerri2]

How can anyone have back surgery everyday for 2 months?Somethings a little fishy here!!   Jerri

[vettezr1]

Come on Jerri2 its possible, I always knew that hitting the ground at 150 MPH and breaking my back in two places had nothing to do with my pain, it was something I did in a past life. I told everyone doctors don’t really know what they are doing.
Now if I can just figure out what the ******* in my previous life did to cause me this pain I will get even with him in the next.

[RngrDoc]

Thanks for the input.In answer to the first question:
Yes I have had some limited non-trad therapies, acpte being one. It was beneficial in areas where I had old fx's but only aggrav my disc's. In response to your second question I do sincerely believe there are many spiritual people here in "Iowa" as hopefully there are around the globe. I am superficially familiar with the technique you refer to & have significant personal experience in energy transfer techniques. Some thanks to Grand Master Li, other's to Uncle Sam.

I do most certainly believe in reincarnation. However, I'm not quite to the point that "retro life interactions" are workable for me. Based on my present lifes experiences and actions I could certainly take emotional & physical pain with me to the next. But I am sure that currently the majority of my discomfort is related to the composition of my being not withstanding my demands, abuse by others & rigors of it's horrid existence. Like all machines we wear out & the harder or more abused we are or treat ourselves the quicker it tends to occur.

Again, thank you for your thought's!

[indigois6]

Great to know that you're looking at as big a picture for you as possible right now. I guess it doesn't matter what path we all take as long as we end out where we want to be! Someone just recommended this book to me for pain and recovery - I haven't read it, I haven't seen it - I don't even know if I'd like it! But I'll probably pick it up this weekend and check it out. If you're interested: You Can Heal Your Life by Louise L. Hays. I'm sure there's a review of it on Amazon.com or something. maybe it could help. All the best.

[AmberHunter]

as far as non-traditional therapies go reiki is great and a reiki master can work with you long distance. do a search on reiki and i am sure you will find one... nothing ventured, nothing gained...

as far as withdrawl and setbacks go, well, been there done that! pick yourself up off the floor, feel bad about yourself and guilty for 15 minutes, no more than 15 minutes and brush yourself off and walk on... it says in the basic text of narcotics anonymous that there can be recovery after relapse...

i personally have some problems with NA and chose not to go to meetings at this time in my life but there is so much good that comes out of the program and the fellowship in general...

this list has been fascinating to me! glad i found it!!!

amber

[PsychologyStudent]

Hi, VERY new here.  I'm much younger than most of you, I believe (22) and I'm so embarassed to even be typing this right now, but here I go...  Approximately two years ago, I had severe vaginal bleeding and my gynocologist assumed it was endometriosis.  He first tried to stop the bleeding with meds, ie. birth control pills, but to no avail.  He decided that I needed endoscopic surgery, which proved his suspicions correct.  I had endometriosis and they zapped the areas of bleeding with the surgery.  Anyway, after the surgery I was prescribed Lortab 10 with several refills.  I think the addiction (at least it felt) was immediate.  I've been going from doctor to doctor, emergency room to emergency room since trying to get prescriptions for hydrocodone; I never graduated to "harder" things such as Oxycontin (however I'm sure I'm ALREADY addicted to the stuff (joke)), but nonetheless I'm nothing more than an addict.  I was in a "new" doctor's office the other day for my second visit with him.  He came in saying "We have a problem.."  I was instantly nervous (as I always was at doctor's offices).  He told me one of the various pharmacies I used had called his office and told him about my "escapades" with various doctors and dentists and the hydrocodone that was prescribed by all of them.  He was furious and I started bawling with disgust and embarassment.. I felt like nothing.  He told me it had to stop.  This was six days ago and I've not taken any hydrocodone since and I'm in GREAT pain (from withdrawal).  I don't know what to do.  The sweats and chills are unbearable and I haven't slept in days.  I feel like I've wasted two years of my life and that I'm a horrible human being for doing this to these physicians.  I wanted to share my story and also ask about withdrawal.  Is there anything that might subdue these awful withdrawal symptoms?  I've read that blood-pressure medications and/or beta-blockers might be helpful reducing the sweats, and if that's true, I would love for someone to let me know.  I will stay away from things such as Ativan (lorazepam) for I feel that I just have an addiction personality.  Thank **** I don't drink, right?  Heh... anyway, I would appreciate any feedback.  Thanks everyone for letting me share... kept me busy for a few minutes ;).

[Anhedonio]

Are you really a psychology student? Then you should realize that you shouldn't be thinking of yourself as "nothing more than an addict". You're a human being, entitled to having feelings, thoughts, and making mistakes.

Then you have so well predicted your addiction and the agony of withdrawal that it has become a self fulfilling prophecy. At six days in you've rounded the last turn and are on the home stretch (at least as far as physical symptoms go).

Read through the posts on this forum and you'll find many answers to your questions, as well as ample proof that you are not alone. Keep an eye out for one describing the Thomas recipe, which describes a common sense approach to dealing with wd symptoms.

Good luck in your quest. Jas.

[PsychologyStudent]

Jas,
Haha, yes believe it or not I study psychology.  I know far too much about self-fulfilling prophecies.  The only reason I feel like such a loser is because of the stereotypes people place upon drug users (which is basically what I am... well, was :)).  I'm feeling so much better knowing how many people share this terrible "thing" with me.  I don't know why, but just knowing that other people have succumb to the same thing I have helps me greatly in my pursuit to resume a normal life.  I kept wondering in my MANY pursuits of the drug why it wasn't just legal?  I mean, yeah people would be a little less alert, but my God, it helps SO many people in so many different ways.  Who cares if you get addicted, really?  I do understand the ramifications of liver damage, but people habitually use ibuprofen which tore my father's liver apart to the point where he has to be on dialysis.  So is it the lack of alertness?  Well we all know the old "alcohol vs. weed" fight.. the same can be said here, alcohol makes you far less alert and slower to react than hydrocodone (I don't know about anything other than hydrocodone, though, such as Oxycontin).  Anyway, this is just wishful thinking.  *cravings*  Thank all of you guys for being out there to listen to my nonsense.  Also, thank you Jas for your response. :)-- Laura

[PsychologyStudent]

I completely forgot to list the amount I was taking of the sickly sweet drug: I would usually take around 20 (or more) 10mg hydrocodone a day.  At the most I would take 6 at once, but usually I took three at a time, and I took them often.  Whenever I would feel that buzz start to wear off slightly (about an hour and a half after taking the first round), I'd pop another round.  Ugh, I feel ill discussing this with anyone, but it's medicinal, I believe.  Thanks everyone. Laura

[vettezr1]

If you have been without any drugs for over six days you are well on your way to getting over the WD’s. Just keep the course. It took me a few more weeks but as others will point out the WD’s are linked to the amount you take and the duration. You are only 22 so I am assuming your duration was rather short and 20 pills seems like a lot but again six days cold turkey why **** around and start taking anything now. My daughter is 22 and a psychology student also; I would slap the **** out of you if you were here but good job on stopping even if it was forced on you. Take this as a lesson well learned and leave the pain meds alone.

[mystere]

First of all you are not a LOSER!--Just a human being with a "problem"--I am in the same boat just coming off a 12-14 a day hydrocodone habit --I am now 36 hr past hydro-hell--That is the million dollar question as to why some people get addicted and some don't--Hell I have friends that have had pain pills from surgical procedures, they take a couple as prescribed then throw the rest away (Used to break my heart HA HA)--Anyway you are not alone!--This forum is is my lifeline and it can be yours too!--Yes you can get your life back from the insanity!--I know all of the feelings that you have right now--Shame-Guilt- and that big mother Paranoia!--I came very close this past week to losing the most important person in my life (my husband) because of those damn pills--Sooo a decision had to be made! I am willing to endure these 5-7 days of being very uncomfortable for having my wondrful life back--Think about it Hon--You are 22 years old and have your entire life ahead of you- Please keep reading the threads and keep posting we are here for you!  Mystere/ AKA N.O. Lady--(My office computer nickname)--Peace and prayers--Best of luck!

[pammy0690]

Hey good job on quitting!  Six days is great!  From here on out you should feel a little better each day.  There is a vitimn recipe on this forum you should try.  It is designed to help with the lack of energy that you are no doubt experiencing.  It is called the Thomas recipe and you should give it a try.  As far as the withdrawal pain if I were you I would not try to medicate it.  You are almost out of the woods without anything so why start now.  Get up and get some type of physical activity as much as you can tolaralate.  You need not be embarrassed or ashamed as prescription abuse is extremely common and widely accepted.  Good luck to you and keep posting!  Pamela

[PsychologyStudent]

Thank you guys so much for the replies to my post.  I had NO idea how helpful a forum like this could be for my mental well-being.  I've been keeping busy and have even decided to start going back to my dance classes today (baby steps, right?) and do some light stretching and basic groundwork.  I did see the Thomas recipe and I am going to the grocery store this afternoon to pick up those supplies.  I decided to tell my parents this morning what's going on because they have been getting worried about this "bug" I've had the past week or so.  They were both so supportive (both shrinks themself) that I cried.  They told me that they would be there to talk at any time 24-hours a day.  Unfortunately they live states away.  I've been independent for about four years now and so they just don't know what goes on in my life unless I tell them.  My father is in poor health and it pains me so to have made him cry and thank God that I'm still alive and not dead from an accidental OD.  *sigh*  I have such strong people in my life... thankfully.  I've not touched anything since last Tuesday and I'm starting to feel REMARKABLY better.  I wanted to thank you guys, again, for the support you've given not only me, but every person in your lives.  They are truly lucky people to have the likes of you as a friend.  You guys have a great day and keep strong!
Laura

[sassy020]

hello!
dancin in the dark(judy)from drugabuse.com sent me to you for some help...i have posted a comment about my addiction...yesterday was the first day of being clean of oxycontin...then last night..i slipped! i took a 40...im so depressed today and im not sure if i can do this! they said you were the best! please read my post and help me!!! i need some advice and some guidance.....email me if you rather do that...this goes for anyone!!! caseywerd_311***@****
i feel im out of control...and i cant stop and all im thinking about today is the pills.... please advice!!!

sassy020

[vettezr1]

Yes, I am glad you have come to that realization on your own; us dads love our little girls more than our own lives. God forbid anything happened to you I have no doubt it would have killed your dad I know it would kill me if anything ever happened to my little girl even if she is 22 she may hate it but she will always be my little girl. I have learned much here. I never realized others had problems with pain meds I thought only pain patients did I was wrong.
I never had any interest in getting high only pain relief but I will even pass on the pain relief aspect now. Good idea as far as exercising and moving and dancing or what ever gets you going you have a very very long life ahead of you take care of it.
I really never would have slapped a girl I would have just yelled at you.

[rodewc]

Hi Kid. (Are you Casey, age 20, from drugabuse?) If so, I too have been following your words at Drugabuse.c.

I saw at least three people advise you to come here, one last week and two today. Two specifically told you to talk to Thomas. Those guys were infinitely right. One mentioned talking to hippee as well as other regular posters here, all GREAT advice. Those guys, and many others have helped me more than I can express.

My recovery is from mainly Vicodin, though I also came off Fiorinal, Xanax and Oxy. The Vicodin was my drug of choice and the other drugs I used when I couldn't get the former.

I don't have an answer about what is right/wrong for weaning off drugs. I did not take the A/A route, and thus according to A/A dogma, I am destined for relapse. I hope not.

Though other literature disputes this, the vast majority touts A/A and other spiritual approaches as the only way. That is a personal decision, imvho.

On one of these boards (if you are Casey), you said you were snorting Oxy. It would be my suggestion to first ingest the Oxy and then try to quit. I would quit by telling a MD about my need for a tranquillizer (sp?) to assist in sleep because of the W/Ds.

I could not have functioned without such (something to sleep besides Melatonin, Benadryl, etc) when I attempted to quit. There were too many real life pressures, such as work, for which I needed a decent sleep. I had tried quitting three times, without a benzo (like Xanax).

I am not sure an antidepressant, like you mentioned, is what you need, or even something that will help. But, I am not a doctor. Antidepressants shut me down on most of the niceties of life, including a sex drive. But that was I. "Different strokes for different folks."  

My resolve, like the poster Mystere (AKA NOLady), is as steel this time. It is a matter, or was a matter for me of ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Words written here, and on DA.com, express why: "'I was sick and tired of being sick and tired'(A/A mantra): and, wondering where/when/how I would get my next bottle of pills." What a crock. What insanity.

I hated, to quote a writer (RStew) who has made a huge difference in my recovery, ... I HATED seeing six Vicodin left in the bottle.. knowing the game was about to start again..the game of lies.. how to get more pills.

I recently had surgery and did not fill the script for the pain pills after. To me.. that is my indicator of success.

The only thing you have written that concerns me is that your boyfriend is also using Oxy. I hope you both want to quit. Unless the desires are intrinsic, the efforts will likely be futile. I hope not. In this case, once (quitting) IS enough! It was harder for me in each attempt. Plus, there were also mini-withdrawals when waiting for the next script refill, etc.

I have learned from lurking here a few months, and finally writing, that it is easier to post near the top if this forum so the wise (and I say that with sincerity) old (and young) gurus, and those with lengthy recoveries and experiences, see your words and respond.

And, they will, Sassy. Until then, keep posting. You can do it; we all can with eath other. You got good advice on the other board, and I know you will here. I apologize for this length post. I Just hope you will feel welcome among the most astute persons I have had the pleasure to be amongst.

rwc~

[Jerri2]

Hows it going this time?I'm on day 4 and doing good!Hows the pup?Hope your coming along and in good spirits!!Take care my friend.         Jerri

[Lostgirl]

If you haven't already thrown away the little brown pills, I think I have your answer.  Pyridium  used to ease discomfort from a urinary tract infection.  Other than turn your urine a great Texas Orange, and make urinating not so painful with an infection, they wont get you high!  But as they have a very short half life, I agree with everyone else - TOSS THEM!

[sassy020]

hey! and thanks for the advice..the withdrawls got so bad today that i left work and made myself a doctors appointment..im depressed and i cant get through this alone...i know im not alone, ive got my boyfriend and ive got my boards...i need some medication to get me through this....the withdrawls are so bad...i sweat cold and hot sweats all night, i wake up with headaches, and i feel like **** all day long...it got so bad to day that i just had to get out of work...im getting myself to a doctor, and im just gonna take it from there...all i know is that im never crushing up another oxy...its the devil...


casey

[pammy0690]

Sniffing oxy is a nasty withdrawal.  I have been through a few.  You have give yourself time to heal.  It really is all about time, killing time, until you feel better.  I wanted to congratualate you on starting to detox!  Good luck and stay strong!  I hope your doctor can prescribe you something that can help even a little bit!  Pammy

[sassy020]

i went to the doc.with the intentions of telling him about my addiction, but i chickened out...and just told him about my depression and anxiety...he prescribed me effexor for the depression and alprazolam for sleep and anxiety...hopefully ill be feeling better in no time...but today was a rough day!! tomrorrow hopefully will be a better day!!

casey

[rodewc]

Glad you got something for the sleep, sassy.. The alprozam (sp) is generic Xanax, and I guess you have read that w/d from them is deadly, so moderation.

I can't take Xanax as I abuse those too. Ah well.

The pup is great, Jer, teething like a maniac. She is the BEST thang for my depression which today left me for the whole afternoon!!! SMILE!! But, I was also reading an abfab book.. (please buy it.. it is sooo worth it: "A Million Little Pieces"- James Frey) Biography about an addict, hardback, 2003.

I feel guilty using this board space.. How are you, tho? rwc~

[rodewc]

Oh! Forgot to say, the effexor isnt addictive, but DONT just "stop it" I did (cuz it took my sex drive away) and I ended up hallucinating.. so if for some reason u do discontinue the Effexor, wean off slowly (doc will tell u that tho) I am very happy for you. You will be Oxy free soooooooon:)) rwc~

[vicoaddict]

I have been a vicodine addict for 4 years now. I have been in recovery for 1 year with 4 relapses in that year. My withdrawals get worse each relapse. I know I took the vicoine/hydrocodone to excape feeling life. I relapse when the feelings get to intense. I was up to taking 6 vicodine/hydrocodone every 4 hours and I would chew them for a greater faster effect. I knew I was in trouble when I graduated to oxycoton. The withdrawals were more than I could handle on my own and I had to get help. I know now I am lucky to still be alive. But I dream about vicodine/hydrocodone and still crave it everyday. But no more taking the easy way out of life. Good luck to everyone. Good to know I am not alone.

[nycgrl]

I am only on my third day of cold turkey from 10-12 Vicodin per day (and damn, this board makes me feel like a lightweight, so thanks for that) :-)
Anyway, I have scrips for xanax and sonata (for sleep) but they are both addictive, and I don't want to use them unless I have to.
Does anyone have any thoughts on using fioricet? I looked it up on rxlist, and it has tylenol, caffeine, and a central nervous system depressant (just a small amount, not enough to be addictive, according to the site).
I have this theory that depressing my CNS will ease the withdrawal somewhat. But I don't want to do anything stupid.
I plan to do the thomas detox (the guy I was getting the vicodin from also sells valium), and see how that works.
But until I can get that to work, does anyone have any thoughts on using the CNS depressant to fight w/d? Am I just a total idiot for even considering this? Thanks, and love to all.

[mystere]

Please read as many posts as you can from Dancing in the dark--She is one of our "experts" on the dreaded F-drug also know as fiorocet/fiorinal AKA Butalbital HELL!--The Thomas recipe recommends a benzodiazapine Valium/Xanax--I used Valium which worked very well---It is also addicting and you must be careful but the short time it it used--usually 4 days you shouldn't have any problem.  I personally do not like the feeling of benzo's--they just made me sleepy-Whereas a handful of hydro's I could paint and roof the house plus have a gourmet dinner waiting for my husband--I think that's why I had a love affair with the buggers is that they reminded me of an old diet pill that I had taken years ago called Escatrol. I'm really showing my age because that was back in the '70's. They were taken off the market because they were soooo addicting! Good Luck Hon You have a lot of friends here to answer your questions and help! Peace and prayers-Mystere

Anne

[peaz]

HAHAHA!! That's a big 10-4 on painting  and roofing the house, and having the gourmet dinner ready......Add to that; whipping up a couple quilts, rotating the car tires, wallpapering the entire first floor,  and screwing for three hours.....(okay:TWO)  LOL   Ah.....those were the days........!!  Now I'm lucky if I can manage to put on matching socks and brush my teeth...:-) SHHEEEEIIIT.
  I think you and I are close to the same age--what year did you graduate HS?  If you think I'm telling MY age you're freaking crazy.....LOL   Let me guess---old enough for bifocals but young enough to stay out of the nursing  home, right???!!
    If  you need something to help you get your mind off detox, you can help me do laundry tomorrow.....:-)  Okay--the vacuuming, then......Peazy        P.S. I'll have the donuts ready THIS time....