withdrawal doesnt have to be hell!, and na,aa isnt the only way

[morpheus2002]

  I really would like to say congratulations, to everyone who has "gutted" it out or did the "cold turkey" thing .   but I  cant  because there is absolutely no reason to go through the agony of withdrawal.. trust me I  have Had my share of Withdrawals (heroin, methadone ,oxy's etc...  .Its a thing caclled "TAPERING" buprenex is wonderful virtually painless, the only thing is if you dont have insurance,it can be quite expensive.. but probablly nothing compared to what most of you were spending on your daily habit, which is all it is.. isnt bad or evil as a matter of fact you can call most of these medications "miracle drugs" they keep alot of us out of pain. terminal or not.  I would bet my bottom dollar that anyone out there breaks there leg that shot of morhine would be straight from god!!   god bless

                   rjones

[pjn]

Hey Everyone. It's day 10 for me. My back still hurts bad. What can I take. I can't take ibuprophen, viox, or celebrex. Also yesterday I had a sudden attack of desperation and hoplessness like my second day was starting all over again. I hated it. What should I do if this happens again. If I had a vicodin I believe I would have taken it. Is this normal. Will I always have these days on and off?

[memikey]

Just a word of caution about NA and most any other of the "Anonymous" support groups: I have found, from personal experience, that unless you go to a completely different county, sooner or later you will run into either somebody from work, or somebody who knows somebody from work, etc, and then the jig is up ... because recovering addicts seem to also be gossip-addicts(untreated) and there is very little that is "Anonymous" anymore about these programs.

In truth, this has been the only thing that has ever made me fall away from NA; a frequently total lack of discretion and/or common courtesy by fellow addicts when it comes to my anonymity.  I believe the internet holds much promise for "online meetings" in the future, guaranteeing one's anonymity and allowing him or her to reveal themselves only to those whom they really trust after a report has been established ... so then TRUE recovery can once again take place.

The last straw for me was when a guy from work (whom I don't even know personally) came up to me and says, "Hey, I go to the same meeting as your roommate ..."  And I'm like, "First, how the **** do you know he's my roomate, and whatever happened to anonymity?"  I mean, not just for me, but what if my roommate was in recovery, but preferred I not know?  And to make matters worse, I later found out that my roommate was "venting" about me at these meetings (regarding an unrepaid personal loan), and this other guy from work knows the whole time EXACTLY who he's referring to, which makes me look like a loser and impossible to defend myself.

Anyway, the whole thing just turned me off totally to NA altogether.  So just beware.

[Sugarbeens]

I haven't posted for a while,but, used to be Butterbean on here.  I don't remember you, but, would like to ask about NA.  I am not going to use anymore, but, I am worried that if I try NA that someone will find out that I was addicted to painkillers, and with my job and all and because I am dependent on myself financially, I don't want anyone to know.  I know I can beat this myself and am finally ready for sure after 8 years, but, I know I need someone to talk to that I can trust.  Can I just call someone in NA, or do I have to go to meetings.  Thank you and good luck to you.  I am glad for you and your dad!

[hippy]

memiky , there is a member here on the fourm who knows a lot about bup ,
that  would be our member named groovy.
so if you need to ask anything about bup ask groovy.

peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[memikey]

I am only writing this in response to an earlier posting from 8/12 where somebody mentioned "buprenex" will help the withdrawl pains from opiates.  First off, it's VERY important that you all know this drug is actually a sort of "Narcan" or "Naloxone" (ie: opiate-receptor competitor) and if taken while trying to detox could actually send you into convulsions and cause you more pain than if you were just trying to quit cold turkey.  I believe the generic name for it is buprenorphine, and it's a killer if you get it while hooked on opiate-based analgesics ... believe me, I learned the hard way.

To tell you the truth, of the three times I've "kicked" Vicodin (from a 50+mg/day habit), the best cure was (and this is NOT a 12-step remedy!), to take frequent doses of darvon (one about every 4 hours), and plenty of long, hot baths (20 minutes each, minimum)--which helps knock down the body aches.  The only other fairly painless way I quit was in the hospital, with regular injections of Ativan for about 5 days.  It's the irony of this beast: you don't get there overnight, and you sure as heck ain't getting back overnight.  You just sort of have to "cross-addict" for a week or so, then go cold turkey.  Unless you're into ungodly pain, of course.

Anyway, good luck to all you who wish to quit ... I'm currently on my 4th addictive round with Vicodin in 23 years, and ain't looking forward to quitting ... though I know I must soon.

[hippy]

getting clean and syaying clean aare two different things.
the 12 step fellowships  are what they are FELLOSHIPS
and my expreence with na has been ongoing for 25 years
my father is an AA member with 35 years sober.
in na it's all about one addict heping another, and that is
hard to beat. the 12 step programs give us a place to give back
to help others, and by helping other do we do ourselves a great
service.
the nature of addiction is isolation and seperation,trying to
tough it out by yourself in some ann rand rugged individualism
style is possible , but we wind up spending most of our time white nickling it.
it truly is easier withen a fellowship.
we are addicts and we are powerless ove our reactions to
people ,places and things,
in working the 12 steps we find out that we are the problem.
its not what we used that makes us addicts but why we used.
we use because we hate ourselves and our lives.
im a na member and im clean
my father is a aa member and he is sober.
i have always found it srange that people like mayor barry of washington get caught smoking crack and then hes going to aa.

well peace and keep posting to all

[1fortheroad]

buprenex is a partial opiate antagonist - don't let anyone tell you it isn't addicting, because it is.  i have been taking it for a long time now, and it has taken a lot of word to wean down to one amp per day.  it is taken IM, and most doctors do not know about it or do not want to prescribe it.  it is very costly as well.  my insurance will not cover it.  i do not think it has been fda approved for opiate withdrawal yet - they keep saying soon, soon soon.  it is approved for pain, and you could talk with your doctor about it.  please do a lot of research on it and other options before you make decisions.  

buprenex does take the pain completely out of withdrawal, but it comes with its own share of problems.  just make sure you do your homework...i'm sure you will make out fine if you have the right attitude and really want it....good luck.

[tex3]

Like any of the things that help us through this, everyone reacts differently. Some people can't take Ultram (I was one of them), others have a bad experience with buprenex. I took it for almost seven months and it was almost painless to stop - I was tired and a depressed, but didn't have the normal physical WD symptoms at all. I would not recommend it for longterm use unless you need it for chronic pain (which is what I took it for).

[Lucy and Ricky]

I forgot, you can also e-mail me at ***@****. I would really love to talk to you!

[Lucy and Ricky]

Tell me more! I don't have insurance, but I know I always seem to find the money for pills, so why not this? I have a nasty norco habit and I'm willing to try ANYTHING!!!!