withdrawals-help!!!!

Hey everyone,
I am going through withdrawals from codeine 6-8 a day. About two weeks ago i stopped the vicodin about 4-6 a day, and I broke into a thread yesterday and got a great response from thomas but i have a few more questions. How long should the worst of withdrawals last if today is my first full day off the pills? I hate the anxiety and rls. i feel like i am going out of my mind. its like i have so much anxiety and i dont know what to do with it. i am in college and i have to go to school but i cant even sit still. how long before the worst part is over? i can handle the stomache thing, but the rls and anxiety is driving me nuts. do you think nyquil will work?? i just need to sleep. also,how come when i was on the meds was i so moody? maybe i am just a moody person but i dont remember what i was like to be off the pills so i dont know if i was moody...could the moodiness have been from the pills. i have been off for about 20 hours and i dont even feel moody anymore. any other suggestions for a quick fix to sleep? i dont have access to valium or muscle relaxers. Thank you all in advance for reading my post.   emmy22

[Thomas03]

The most unpleasant withdrawal symptoms will last about 4 days. No way around it. As for your mood, don't draw any conclusions about that during withdrawal. Right now, there's a 3-alarm fire in your brain and nothing will be normal until it's out. During WD, don't decide anything important about your future, just focus on what you need to do to get through each day, ONE at a time. If you can't get Valium or any other muscle relaxant, Valerian Root from the nutritional supplement store might help. If you buy Valerian, go by how much Valerianic Acid is in each capsule, not the total weight of the capsule. Nyquil has a lot of pseudoephedrine in it, which will just make your anxiety worse. Try some over-the-counter Benedryl (same drug in Sleep-eze or Sominex). Only use it at bedtime. When you can, lots of hot baths for the RLS. They really do help!

Thomas

[bluecatchew]

I just wanted to say you are a GREAT guy. I am new to posting but not to the forum in general. I have written down your detox recipe. when and if I decide to quit using and I just hope that you are there for me as you are for this young lady right now. Again THANKS :)May I ask how old you are? You have such awesome advice but more importantly you give with out prejudice very important for those of us who are fragile anyway.

[Thomas03]

That's very kind of you. I'm 48 years old. I've been an Rx opiate junkie for, now, 31 years. I've also had a benzo addiction for the last 3 years or so. I'm not using anything right now, but, with all my years of abuse, relapses are always just around the corner. My overall goal is to go longer between relapses and use for a shorter time before I clean up yet again. I'm around to help anyone I can. It's a two-way deal, since helping someone else helps me. If you can't get me through this forum, I'm at ***@****. That isn't my main mail addy, and I sometimes only check it every other day. I will respond, though.

Thomas

[Anhedonio]

I'm 50 with a similar story. You DON'T want to know what the next two years are going to be like....

It seems like 'yet again' is becoming one of the most frequently used phrases in my vocabulary. jas.

[Thomas03]

well, thanks. At least now I have something to look forward to! Yeah, for we two, we happy few, sweating in the eye of Phoebus, it's Relapses Are Us, open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, we never close ...

Thomas

[Chezz2]

I think Thomas is educated enough to know what the next two years will provide, and whether or not he makes the decision to use again is one that I am sure he has contemplated.
Well schooled gent at heart... He already "knows" what is in store for him, as he will be making the judgement calls.

Glad to see you back and posting frequently old buddy,
Chezz

[Nazareth]

This is my first time at posting on the internet or even really talking about addiction. I've been taking valium for about 7 years and darvon/viodin for about 5 years. It started out as a wasy to deal with chronic back pain and has no spiraled into so much more. I still have the pain.  No surgeon wants to touch the disc, I've tried PT 8 times with little result. But the side eefects are almost worse then the pain now. My stomach hurts often My tolerance increases so I use more then have to run low until my next refill. I'm moody and deppressed and have even considered suicide. Not seriously! But I'm just tired and want out of this whole mess. My fiance know some of this but not everything and I wonder if I should even marry her witht this kinda baggage. I've talked to my doc about it some but he says that some physical dependance is to be expected either I live with that or the chronic pain. Right now I think I would almost want to try the pain again but how can I detox?! I work and go to school and I really think I need professional help.  Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks

[Jerri2]

Welcome!Thats great your ready to face this head on!And have the support of your wife and Dr.will realy help alot!The feelings you described are all from the pills!I'm going on day 10 this time and already feeling alot better.Just keep reading and posting and ask whatever you need too and someone will answer you!Were all like a big family here! Take care my friend.   Jerri

[Chezz2]

Welcome Buddy,

We have all been through it. You have already made a big step obviously.
There are a lot of great people here to help you.
You might want to discuss the depression issue with your doc when you go in so he can start you on something to help with that. It will continue to help you in the weeks after you go through the withdrawals and keep you from "depressing" into wanting to find other ways to obtain the pills.
Good luck, and I am glad to see you have a pretty good outlook on this already. By going to your wife and doc you already have let a couple people in which indeed does release so of that guilt and "burden" off you shoulders. Now it is uphill from there...
Chezz

[dreamin]

hey you..

[momonhydros]

hey just wondering how your doing today? if you need to talk email me at ***@****.

[wantareallife]

Hi everyone, in 10 days I will be undergoing detox(from Lorcet 10mg--about 20 per day) with suboxone, and atavan.  Anyone exp. this yet.  Just real worried about withdrawing, and not being able to work.  Thanks!!

[finkboy]

Hi Guys-

Great site.  I feel so alone and isolated.  My wife underwent breast cencer surgery and treatement at 39, and I was left to deal with taking charge of the family as well as hold a stressful job.  To cope, I started to figure out that taking 5/325 Percocets made me feel a whole lot better about thing.

Then the ineveitable happened.  The addict in me came out and for the past year or so I take anywhere from 5-7 a day, starting at around 9:00a.m

I feel myself withdrawing from my family (the wife is great now!)and not wanting anything to do anything or go anywhere.  I am starting to feel bouts of depression and regret at being less than hals a man than I was.

I feel the piercing stares of strangers, and think they are viewing me as some sort of freak.  In reality, I am highly productive and capable, I just keep my personal hell to myself.

Because of this site, I will take the needed time off work and begin my detox this Saturday.  I have plenty of Valiun, and my wife and I are going to see my Doc together to prevent any future scripts coming my way.

I even told my wife about it.  It felt like a weight had been lifted.

A am scared beyond comprehension; yet anxious to put it all in the past.  In the 80's I was part of the cocaine casualties.  I was able to get past that, and I shall get past this too.  I am worried about the bouts of depression.  Even now, I have had days where the thought of getting out of bed and dealing with life was panic attack inducing.

I will continue to rely on this site as a source of inspiration, and keep you all posted on my progress.  Feel free to e-mail if you wish.

Finkboy
***@****

[Nazareth]

Hi Thomas,

I have heard a great deal about your recipe for opiate withdrawls and hoped you would share it with me?!

Thanks

[Thomas03]

The recipe for cold turkey opiate detox is down under the "Thomas Recipe" thread. Why won't anyone touch the disk? It's unusal for a surgeon not to want to cut. What is the diagnosis?

If you need chronic pain medication, I'm surprised you're still on vicodin, darvocet and valium. These are not really meds for long term chronic pain. Do you have access to a pain management doctor?

Thomas

[Nazareth]

I'm told that the herniated disc between t6 and t7 can have bad side effects if cut. I can lose bladder control and maybe lose the ability to get erections. It also seem that this type of surgery has a low success rate and most often leaves the patient in the same or worse pain. No I haven't seen a pain doc specifically. Would they be better able to help me with this?

[Thomas03]

Whoa! Say no more about surgery. Yeah, a pain management doc, if good, would put you on something for long-term pain such as MS-Contin. A med like that is time release and will provide consistent relief without getting you too ****** up at any one time. Couple things I've heard about pain management docs: they're not always on top of their game, sometimes requiring you to consult more than one before you find one right for you. Also, they'll provide you with good pain relief as long as you don't give them any indication that you have an addiction problem. Once on a good chronic pain med, you probalby won't be that interested in those other drugs, anyway.

Thomas

[mrmichael67]

Be careful of the classic "block shops" as well.  Some pain docs do epidural injections that don't work for all and require them if they are to prescribe anything for pain.  That is their way of padding their wallets.  Some people do excellent on injections, but it shouldn't be a requirement if they don't work.  There are docs out there that will write scripts and not force injections on you.  Sometimes it does take some shopping around.

[momonhydros]

amen! to you, your so right about the pain doctors once they find out about being addicted after they prescribed the meds for years, they dont want to know nothing. your not supposto get addicted if you take them as prescribed. YA RIGHT

[Nazareth]

Thanks.  What is MS Contin? The other writer mentioned a shot I've had two with no effect. My current doc didn't push them I wanted to try them to see if I could get get the hell off the opiate train! He just started Oxy two weeks ago at a low dose and I liked that it was time released. The amount didn't help the pain as much as I would have hoped but I see all these other postings for people addicted to oxy. Is MS Contin better? I really appreciate the advice by the way I have felt way to alone for to long.

[mrmichael67]

Ms contin is morphine sulfate.  I was on it for quite some time for two spinal fusions.  It worked better for me than Oxycontin, but took almost an hour and a half to kick in.  It is good that your doc is cool, but many do force the epidurals on you.  That is great for those that get relief from them.  But, why go through that if they don't?  My last pain doc was like that.

[Chezz2]

LOLMAO..........
Well maybe if I read all of his/her other posts I would have noticed. Not this time though.
Just skimmin' though checking things out.
Have a good one Buddy.
Chezz

[Chezz2]

Thomas,

I think in all you excitement over TALKING/THINKING about the meds in question. You failed to notice his doc has already put him on a low dose of oxycontin already. He said it doesn't seem to be working all that well though.

Although I am sure you and Michaels answers will help.

Now back to your room, no meds for you tonight!!! You have to go to bed hungry for that one. ;)
Chezz

[Thomas03]

well, thankYOU Mr. Hall Monitor! Perhaps you'll be so kind as to clap some blackboard earsers for the teacher after class! Nazareth started out telling me that he/she was using hydro, darvon and valium. Now it's shots and low-dose Oxy. No matter. An inoperable herniated disk buys some leeway. And I write for everyone to read, not just for enthusiastic Christians or residents of Pennsylvania.

Besides, Nazareth asked about MS-Contin. Since Oxy is the obvious alternative, my comments are still relavant and you're still a motherfucker. LOL, cheers, Chezz!

Thomas

[mrmichael67]

I would have to say being on codeine is not even in the same ballpark as taking oral morphine.  If I was in wd and had a bottle of codeine cough syrup sitting on the counter, I wouldn't even touch it.  Codeine did nothing for me.  Oral morphine will give you the high high.  The amount of morphine after codeine is metabolized is marginal and you would have to take way too much to equal a good dose of oral morphine.  Codeine, when taken in excess of 200mg, starts to hit you hard with side effects.  And, tolerance doesn't seem to play into it as much as you would think.  The worst is the histamine reaction.  So, it really isn't even worth trying.  You will most likely be really uncomfortable....scratching your fool head off.

[Thomas03]

MS-Contin is a time release morphine tablet -- excuse me while I wipe the drool off my chin ... Ok, where were we? O yes, MS-Contin delivers consistant pain relief over something like 8 or 12 hours. I know many people take it just twice a day.

Of course, morphine is morphine, and using it entails the risk of addiction. Same with Oxy. Of course, based on my own all-too brief experience with Oxy (sigh) as well as many, many testimonials on this and other forums, I believe OxyContin, while probably delivering the best pain relief of any medicinal, tends to co-opt people's souls rather easily. People recovering from MS-Contin simply don't report suffering the same degree of emotional anguish that recovering Oxy users do.

Morphine in the form of MS-Contin does not provide the same addicting emotional zing that Oxy does. Most people who use MS-Contin as directed for long periods only have to deal with some tolerance while using and physical habituation when they go off of it. Have you ever taken codeine? Codeine relieves pain after it's converted by the body into morphine. So the feeling you get with codeine is approximate to that of being on oral morphine.

While you certainly have the MRI results to ask for Oxy, you should know that Oxy has been so flagrantly abused during the last couple of years, that many doctors just won't write for it. But you would have a chance of getting MS-Contin, especially from a pain management doc.

There are, of course, non-narcotic sources of pain relief. MrMichael mentioned steroid injections. I had a disk (I almost typed "****") bulge at L5 in 1993. I was given one steroid injection directly into the area of the bad disk. I enjoyed significant but not total relief for about 3 months. Then the effect vanished and I was in as much or more pain than before. I was lucky. My eventual surgery worked. Today I still have mild low-back pain but that goddamn, goddamn! pain down the leg is gone.

There's also a pill or capsule called Neurontin. I don't know if it would work for your condition, but you could ask.

Still others seek pain relief by swinging a dead dog over their head while counting backwards from 100. But I don't think the FDA has approved this therapy. And there is the question of where the dogs come from.

Thomas

[Nod]

First off, Thomas - your killin me n this thread, felt good to laugh, thanks.

Finkboy - your name says it all, you told on yourself and got rid of the killer opiate abusing, lying, cheating, manipulating part that all us addicts have - SECRETS!  Telling your wife and having her support with you is huge. You'll make it.  I remember the days when I actually felt something when I took 6-8 pills! Those days are gone. First time I got clean was with her (my wife, not yours) help.  But a major surgery later, morpheus got his hands back on me.  Still fighting the good fight.  Welcome to board, keep reading and post if you need help.  With amount your on and assuming this is your first WD to go thru, you should be just fine.  Will be thinking about ya.

Take care, nod

[oxic]

That is great news about your lit'l one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also have a 2 year old(boy) and a 4 year old(girl); so naturally when i read about the testing, my heart went out to you....bigtime.  WHAT GREAT NEWS!!!!

I'm doing real well; back is pain-free, and I'm perc-free...now 7 1/2 months!! So how could I complain??

Continued Good Luck in your tapering!!!

percs

[Jerri2]

You guys make me laugh!Your great wisdom and knowledge is appreciated!                 Jerri

[Chezz2]

Morning,

Gotta luagh and have a good time. Life is better when you see the cup half full...

Chezz

[pammy0690]

My darling Thomas,
Not all of us residents of PA are kookie religous zealous ya know?  Rachel, Thomas and Chezz were merely having fun lighten up.  Pamela

[dancinginthedark]

Ms. Hunter -

You are incredibly astute to deduce that Thomas is insulting you and flaming Chezz.  In actual fact, he always speaks in code.

But you mis-read his message to you.  What he was actually saying to you was - paranoid schizophrenic.

Isn't it time for your medication?

Dancing in the Light (Thank goodness)

[Thomas03]

Everyone got the joke except you. Until you chimed in, there were no posts in this thread that even remotely suggested conflict.

Thomas

[Thomas03]

That's right. Only nutbars like me in California are officially "kookie." You guys are colorful. And Pennsylvania seems like a nice place to live except for all the crop circles and hungry aliens. Ya know, when I speculated about what Nazareth's handle could mean, I thought I might have to explain it later. I thought it related to being Christian (not kookie, not wacko) or Nazareth Penn. where they hold the Indy Car race. Of course, he could be a fan of the rock group, too.

I should probably end my posts with Brahms' words as he left a Vienna dinner party: "If there's anyone here I haven't offended tonight, I apologize."

Thomas

[percsnomas]

Hey Friend,

Good to see your post today!!
I wondered how you were holding up, after the tough stetch a while back(with your lit'l ones' testing and all).

Continued Strength to You!!

percs

[Rdytoquit]

About the Oxy-morpheine vs. Oxy-Contin debate

[Thomas03]

Your post brought tears to my eyes. Your doctor and insurance company WANTED you to have oxymorphone? MAN! Where do I sign up? I understand it didn't agree with you. But I haven't met a narcotic I didn't love. Just once I'd like to have a doctor say to me, "Sorry, Tom, but I'm going to have to force you to accept this script for Numorphine, whether you like it or not." Force me, doc, force me!

Thomas

P.S. Oxymorphone seems to only come here in the states as an injectable or suppository. What form did you take oxymorphone in? Are you in Canada?

[finkboy]

Thanks for the words of encouragement.  This whole "honesty" thing is new to me.  It became a game for me to see if I could never run out.  

What makes me sad is that I never really had the pain that others in this forum experienced.  Sure I had headaches, but as soon as I found out how easy it was to manipulate the system to get those magic little pills, I was off and running.

There is nothing else on the web that comes close to the sanctuary this forum provides!!

[ldjohn]

Thomas,
Did you have your liver checked?  That is what worries me.  I just started taking 'milk thistle' to help any toxins in my liver.  I am taking alot of ultram a day and am trying to figure the best way to get off these without too much withdrawal.  I think it is harder the more you take in a day.  My tolerance is so high, 30 a day isn't doing anything.  Forget about helping my headaches which is how I started.  Any suggestions beside your rapid detox?  Goldie says weaning but that will take months.  I would rather go that route.
ldjohn

[Thomas03]

Hey, isn't MY rapid detox! Maybe you mean cold turkey. I've used enough Ultram to feel sick just reading about you using 30 a day. Ever find yourself flushed and/or sweating? Anyway, since you've run your tolerance up well beyond the toxicity point, you're going to have to taper off those things. You can't increase the dose anymore. Some people have had seizures from Ultram at very high doses. Not me, thankfully, but I've read of them.

I've gotten blood panels done throughout my drug using career, and, sure, tylenol elevates my liver enzyme levels. When I cut the **** out, the levels return to normal pretty quickly. Many moons ago, one doctor, who was disgusted at how much Vicodin I was using, was even more disgusted when my liver test came back only high-normal. Guess he was looking forward to giving me a death sentence ... can't win 'em all, doc!

Go to your family doc, tell him you read about tylenol and various pain meds causing liver damage, and have him run a standard blood panel on you. Say it's for piece of mind.

Thomas

[Rdytoquit]

See what a little miss spelled word can do! I was taking oxycontin and the insurance co. decided that

[Nod]

Thanks for the post.  Doing okay I guess, still on the tapper these days.  Thinking about going to an NA meeting, Hippee actually goes to one that meets right by me.  Tests on my 2yr old have been very good, they feel not autism, just going at his own pace and has his own way.  Sounds like his dad.  

How you doing these days?
Nod

[Chezz2]

The deal with the insurance company is that they have drugs that are on their "formulary". If the doc prescribes something not on their formulary, they will let him know so he can change your meds to something equivelant, that is on their formulary. In other words, you can get screwed sometimes if you have cheap insurance that decides they don't want to pay $500 a month for oxycontin, when they can get away with paying 1/4 of that by having the doc put you on something that will work, but a VERY reduced price. They can also adjust their formulary based on what type of medical problem you have.
In other words, they can say that they do not authorize oxycontin on their formulary for anything other than cancer patients, or well documented chronic pain patients that have tried other drugs that do not work. NOW if you doc spends the time to write them a letter to let them know that he recommends oxycontin for your condition and believes that that is the best medicine for your comdition, the insurance company then has to make a choice on whether to okay that, or say no.
It is a pain in the ass, but it can be done.
I did it.
I don't have the enzyme necessary to break down MS contin to morphine. So they had to adjust their formulary accordingly, and the pharmacy had to special order in my meds. Now I am set. It just takes a good doc, with a well documented case of chronic pain, as well as a NEED for the medicine in question.
Good luck.
Chezz

[RachelHunter]

I think that if oxycontin isn't working well for a pain patient that a viable option is always suboxone. yes, i know that suboxone is only approved for addiction-related problems, but it is a great painkiller. And if anyone is on oxy for more than a couple weeks, they will be addicted anyway.

RH

P.S. -Are you implying that i'm some sort of whacko christian, Thomas?
All Chezz was trying to do was help, and you go and flame him- but he thinks that you're joking around with him. Well, I know the real Thomas can be really mean to people here, and he seems hellbent on trying to push people into conflict!

[percsnomas]

Reading "Endo", made me think of something that I'm curious about.
Up here in Canada, percocet were available by: DuPont, Tecnilab, and Endo. I've had THOUSANDS of each.

We all hated Endo's.....didn't get the same buzz and were harder on the stomach. Every time i had an Rx filled in the States, it was Endo.
DuPonts were/are the prize and TEC's were a close second.

Even though they all have 5 mgs of oxycodone with the various binders and fillers. Have you noticed these differences???

percs(No more)

[mrmichael67]

Oxymorphone ER will be a new contin available soon.  Endo applied to the FDA on December 19.  Oxycodone is metabolized into oxymorphone and noroxycodone.  Numorphan used to come in pills, but they were abused much too often...they were called blues.  And, people loved them.

[mrmichael67]

Endo makes Percocet now.  The pill says Percocet right on it and the strength.  Endocet is their generic, which they also make, of course...I think it says Endo and 502 or something like that.  Dupont doesn't make them anymore.  I know when I was doing the percs that I liked the name brand, of course.  I also like roxicet and roxilox (roxane's tylox).  They seemed no less potent.  Endocets sucked, in my opinion.  They did seem weaker.

[banishDR.K]

Don't do it man.  Get the surgery.  Anything is better the hell of oxy addiction. I was on 240 mg a day of oxy for two years.  That may seem like a lot...but trust me ...your tolerence always builds.  Do your research and find a good surgeon. I put my surgery off for 3 years  because I was afraid.  You have every right to be scared.  I was terrified to go under the knife but I got my life back because of a good surgeon.  I know you hurt.  I know it sucks to be in pain.  I have been there before...in my opinion...surgery is well worth the risks and the HUGE benefit of getting off all the narcs.  Good luck.  I know you will do what is right for you.

[bmac]

Hey don't forget Kadian guys. Thanks, bmac

[ALWAYS consider Alt.(Well, Maybe NOT ha)]

I am new to this forum.But I am not new to spinal pain, leg pain, drug addiction from all the meds they try to give to help you.  I'm also a dental hygienist, WAS, a DH and have taken a poll over the years about who and who wouldn't do the surgery after having it done! With my vote included, I'd say about 100 to 4 AGAINST having surgery UNLESS it is life or death!  AS one of the posters said, I don't care what kind of pain you have or what kind of medication, You WILL ALWAYS develop a tolerance to the med that helps then when you ask fof more, You have to fight your Dr OR hunt for a new one that MIGHT understand!  No offense at all, BanishDR.K, I'm SURE there are GREAT DR's out there...but I live in Southern CA and haven't found ONE!  So, for the fourth time, after haviing a diskectomy in C5-6, laminectomies L4-5-, and a sub arachnoid sacral cyst congential, from birth, that had grown to the size of a lemon and was slowly leaking spinal fluid frm my spine into the cyst....so they did a procedure in south Orange Co. that failed and then up to UCLA for shunt placement. after months...I had more pain that EVER.  That is when the did the rhyzotomi ? where they deaden your spinal nerves and zap them with electric.  The whole time one of my female physicians stood beside me holding my hand and praying........shoulda known then to JUMP OFF THE TABLE!!!! Dont mean to make light of ANY ONEelse's situation .... I CAN TELL you though, ONE DRUG that is addictiing as HELL but works like a dream....is HUMOR!  Namaste to you ALL....you have such GREAT vibes!!!!!!!!

[Tothelight]

My son is in his mid 30's, and has been addicted to Valium for over 15 years.  He is now back to taking Percoset, after having been off it for over a year.  I'm writing for the truth about whether or not a person can ever go off Valium, or if he will have to use it as a maintenance drug the rest of his life, which he insists.  He went through detox about a year ago, and went back to taking Valium due to panic attacks.   He is now fully addicted to both drugs again, dropping out, and very depressed.  He plans on going to detox in the next week or two, but has not committed to completing a rehab program.  I am encouraging him to go to both detox and stay for a rehab program this time, to increase his possibility for success. He insisted on leaving early last time, and I don't feel he gave himself a fair chance.

I am writing to find out whether or not he will ever be able to be drug free, or if he will have to always be on Valium.  I am familiar with the 12 step program through AA with another family member, but am not a user or knowledegable about these drugs.  I love my son dearly, and will do anything to help him get off drugs.   I have offered him to stay with us for a few months afterward, since he has lost just about everything he has and needs to rebuild his life.  Please let me know the facts, and how I can best support my son.

Thank you in advance for your time and caring, I don't know who else to ask to find the truth, and appreciate your consideration.

Concerned  and hurting Mom

[newmanagment]

tothelight, this post is years old. to get more responses from current member, go to top and hit post a question button in green . repost on your own post and many are on now to help you. i am not a pill user so i cant answer all your ?s , but we are here for you, and will help all we can .... PLEASE REPOST

[fracture]

I also had WD's from a very complicated shoulder operation. Once I realized what was going on I was mad at myself for letting it get that way. I had convulsions and episodes of vomitting. It was awefull. I had to have friends come over to watch my kids in case I had any more convulsions. After a month everything was back to normal. There is a natural remedy called L-theophyline the same chemical in green tea. It helps a lot especially with the anxiety. Soooooo much esier than quittting skoal which I can't get rid of. TRY the Theophline it helps!!!!!!!

[Greatgreebo]

If you are still around tonight....the original post date on this thread is over 5 years ago. These people are not here anymore.
Post your own questions in a new post.
Good luck
Greatgreebo

[angeline01]

I just wanted to say that the drug, Ultram helped ease the symptoms of Vicodin withdrawal. Ultram is non-narcotic so doctors don't mind prescribing it and it helps with the aches and pains of withdrawal. Literally, I was at work one day and was going to have to go home sick because I was going through Vicodin withdrawal. I got my doctor to call me in a script for the Ultram and was able to stay at work the rest of the day. It's no miracle drug and will not make you feel "high", but you will physically feel at least 85% better. Also, zanax or any benzodiazapine will help with falling asleep.  If you can't get a prescription for that stuff,  take "maximum strength" Sominex. Sorry, the regular wasn't working for me and I'm a light weight with sleeping medications. I hope I have helped someone because I wish I would have known this stuff sooner.

[angeline01]

I also wanted to add to my previous entry that Ultram is not physically addicting so if you run out, you don't have to freak out like with Vicodin and other opiates. Obviously, this will not work for people on heavy drugs like heroin or heavy does of like oxycontin, etc. Really, though if you want to kick a Vicodin habit, this is definitely an option you should try. Take care.