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Glucocorticoid Induced Adrenal Supression
I was on prednisone for 3 months, had trouble tapering due to symptoms of adrenal insufficiency. So I was switched to hydrocortisone and haven't been able to taper. I am on 30 mg (20mg AM/10 mg in afternoon). My main issue is tachyardia with standing and any stress and no ones seems to know why. I felt worse at 20mg HC and my energy has improved going up in dose, but the tachycardia has not.
My am cortisol was 9.3 nmol/L. Any help would be appreciated.
My am cortisol was 9.3 nmol/L. Any help would be appreciated.
75mg Cortef is a LOT of cortef... so I assume you need it still for the colitis?
The HC would/could cause Cushing's - and after a while it would cause your adrenals to be dependent on the meds and then your adrenals will not wake up - hence the AI.
Are you asking why you don't have steroid induced Cushing's? If you have a disease that needs anti-inflammatory action - then you could use it... but otherwise it could be that most of the side effects of the steroids could be hidden (as in eyes, bones, muscles etc).
The HC would/could cause Cushing's - and after a while it would cause your adrenals to be dependent on the meds and then your adrenals will not wake up - hence the AI.
Are you asking why you don't have steroid induced Cushing's? If you have a disease that needs anti-inflammatory action - then you could use it... but otherwise it could be that most of the side effects of the steroids could be hidden (as in eyes, bones, muscles etc).
Hello, I have been on 75mg for 3 years now, it has gone up every few years; started at 30mg for 2ndary AI due to prednisone for ulcerative colitis. Can one be semi-intolerant why do I need so much, with NO cushings syndrome sypmptoms at all??
Oh. Mayo... hmmmm... yeah. Uh...
I don't know any alternatives other than beta blockers.
NIH is the National Institute of Health in MD - they have top notch docs and help people.
I don't know any alternatives other than beta blockers.
NIH is the National Institute of Health in MD - they have top notch docs and help people.
To mayo government might fund
what's NIH
any alternatives to florinef?
Tachy slightly better with higher dose hc but still not very good
I also might have an underlying mast cell disease
what's NIH
any alternatives to florinef?
Tachy slightly better with higher dose hc but still not very good
I also might have an underlying mast cell disease
I don't think flying should create an issue unless you have a lot of anxiety about flying - the cabins are pressurized etc. Are you trying to get into NIH?
Sorry to hear about your son
I tried florinef and got a rash
I've been hospitalized for worsening tachycardia and recent fever
they put my HC up to 100
I'm trying go get sent to USA for help
does anyone know if flying will make me worse?
I tried florinef and got a rash
I've been hospitalized for worsening tachycardia and recent fever
they put my HC up to 100
I'm trying go get sent to USA for help
does anyone know if flying will make me worse?
Hi! My son has secondary adrenal insufficiency, due to a pituitary cyst that was removed in 2009. He was on 15 mg hydrocortisone for two years prior to his surgery, and developed problems with tachycardia soon after starting the hydro., but he was on thyroid replacement also.
He also developed severe orthostatic intolerance about nine months before the surgery, and I asked his endocrinologist at that time if he should have his aldosterone tested. The endo said no, aldosterone would not be affected by pituitary failure, which was his only explanation for the orthostatic hypotension.
After surgery, a neurologist asked if we had tried Florinef (fludrocortisone). I told him what the endo had said, and he threw up his hands in disbelief, and walked out of the room, since Florinef was the only suggestion he had for us. My son was switched from hydrocortisone to dexamethasone.
Eighteen months after surgery, my son still had severe OH, tachycardia with standing, and a host of symptoms I believe are indicative of autonomic dysfunction. I took him to a cardiologist who suspected he has POTS, as he also has developed very hypermobile joints, and POTS has been associated with Ehlers-Danlos/Joint Hypermobility Syndrome. However, she did not provide a treatment plan; but referred us back to his PCP for treatment. Unfortunately, the PCP, and several other docs we've seen who don't "get it", think he is just deconditioned and needs to drink a lot of water!
The endocrinologist we see now is finally doing more to help. He agreed to test renin and aldosterone. As is common with POTS, my son's renin was normal, but aldosterone was very low. It was repeated, and both times came back at 1. I now suspect his aldosterone has been abnormally low for two and a half years. And I did find some info supporting pituitary involvement in aldosterone function, despite what that first endo said. It's true that aldosterone is not usually affected in Secondary insufficiency, but some people seem to have symptoms of both primary and secondary adrenal insufficiency, at the same time. Maybe it's hypothalamic dysfunction (Tertiary adrenal insufficiency) I don't know.
Anyway, my son is finally getting Florinef, but only a very low starting dose so far. I am hopeful this will help him, but he may need Midodrine as well. He is starting to feel a little better, but has been consuming a LOT of water and extra salt. He's going for another renin and electrolytes test next week. I'm going to ask his doc to raise his Florinef a bit.
He cannot taper off the dexamethasone. Due to pituitary damage, it is believed he will need lifetime hormone replacement. He will be satisfied if he can just walk upright again. Even crawling causes tachycardia! (He is 15 years old).
I do recommend finding an adrenal savvy endocrinologist, and maybe a tilt table test if the tachycardia continues.
He also developed severe orthostatic intolerance about nine months before the surgery, and I asked his endocrinologist at that time if he should have his aldosterone tested. The endo said no, aldosterone would not be affected by pituitary failure, which was his only explanation for the orthostatic hypotension.
After surgery, a neurologist asked if we had tried Florinef (fludrocortisone). I told him what the endo had said, and he threw up his hands in disbelief, and walked out of the room, since Florinef was the only suggestion he had for us. My son was switched from hydrocortisone to dexamethasone.
Eighteen months after surgery, my son still had severe OH, tachycardia with standing, and a host of symptoms I believe are indicative of autonomic dysfunction. I took him to a cardiologist who suspected he has POTS, as he also has developed very hypermobile joints, and POTS has been associated with Ehlers-Danlos/Joint Hypermobility Syndrome. However, she did not provide a treatment plan; but referred us back to his PCP for treatment. Unfortunately, the PCP, and several other docs we've seen who don't "get it", think he is just deconditioned and needs to drink a lot of water!
The endocrinologist we see now is finally doing more to help. He agreed to test renin and aldosterone. As is common with POTS, my son's renin was normal, but aldosterone was very low. It was repeated, and both times came back at 1. I now suspect his aldosterone has been abnormally low for two and a half years. And I did find some info supporting pituitary involvement in aldosterone function, despite what that first endo said. It's true that aldosterone is not usually affected in Secondary insufficiency, but some people seem to have symptoms of both primary and secondary adrenal insufficiency, at the same time. Maybe it's hypothalamic dysfunction (Tertiary adrenal insufficiency) I don't know.
Anyway, my son is finally getting Florinef, but only a very low starting dose so far. I am hopeful this will help him, but he may need Midodrine as well. He is starting to feel a little better, but has been consuming a LOT of water and extra salt. He's going for another renin and electrolytes test next week. I'm going to ask his doc to raise his Florinef a bit.
He cannot taper off the dexamethasone. Due to pituitary damage, it is believed he will need lifetime hormone replacement. He will be satisfied if he can just walk upright again. Even crawling causes tachycardia! (He is 15 years old).
I do recommend finding an adrenal savvy endocrinologist, and maybe a tilt table test if the tachycardia continues.
I have secondary AI. My electrolytes always test stable (but barely in range). My renin and aldosterone have never been tested. Theoretically, if you are secondary, they should be normal. So there was never a point in testing for it (according to the doctors), since I was definitively secondary. However, that being said, some secondaries have trouble with it. I'm seeing my endo and need to discuss this with him, as I'm still ill. He may run the tests or he may just try out the meds.
thanks
did yours start trying to taper off steroids? are you caught in primary vs secondary?
do you know if your electrolytes, renin, and aldosterone are normal?
did yours start trying to taper off steroids? are you caught in primary vs secondary?
do you know if your electrolytes, renin, and aldosterone are normal?
Thanks!
Did you run into your problem trying to taper off steroids? Are you caught in the primary vs secondary grey area?
Did you run into your problem trying to taper off steroids? Are you caught in the primary vs secondary grey area?
It could be a couple of things that I can think of (and probably a few I can't think of). Since AI can produce salt-wasting symptoms (including light-headedness and tachycardia), that may be one cause. The other likely cause is POTS.
Both are treated with the same medication (Florinef). Consult with your endocrinologist first. I am having the exact same issues, and my cardiologist is sending me to the endo because the medication is considered more of an endocrine medication (since I have the AI), so he'd prefer the dosage be handled by one doctor. I can only hope my endo agrees, or else I have a problem.
Best of luck!
Both are treated with the same medication (Florinef). Consult with your endocrinologist first. I am having the exact same issues, and my cardiologist is sending me to the endo because the medication is considered more of an endocrine medication (since I have the AI), so he'd prefer the dosage be handled by one doctor. I can only hope my endo agrees, or else I have a problem.
Best of luck!
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