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My dr want s me to try some adrenal products for adrenal fatigue.the one she mentioned i couldnt get ,it was called Adrenamin..so i bought 2 other kinds....one is by gaia called adrenal health its lots of herbs..the other is by natrobio adrenal support....can any one help out here>My dr knows what perscription meds Im on and herbs kinda scare me..Im on xanax,wellbutrin sr,estratest, femring.cytomel and synthroid> I need some energy!!Any advice would be nice!
Were you knocked out? Trauma can damage the pituitary (it would not be seen) and it can show up later as hormonal issues. It can happen after head trauma, car wrecks etc.
I had a bat hit in my nose at the age of 12 but the "tabique" apparently did not touch the pituitary gland. I had a rinoplasty to fix my nose. The surgeon did not notice any problem than aesthetical.
Sibil_21
I meant your past posts not profile. I read through your previous posts to read what you have posted to try and better understand your situation. I am sorry that you are hurting right now.
You've mentioned your HC dose 15mg (I take 10 mg) and thyroid issues in previous posts. I was just trying to better understand your situation because I was baffled by what you are experiencing and looked back to try and better understand things and maybe help you.
It was when I read everything that I thought I would ask if you had ever had a pituitary workup because you've got more than one issue going on that "could" be connected to the pituitary axis.
Feel better
Horselip
I meant your past posts not profile. I read through your previous posts to read what you have posted to try and better understand your situation. I am sorry that you are hurting right now.
You've mentioned your HC dose 15mg (I take 10 mg) and thyroid issues in previous posts. I was just trying to better understand your situation because I was baffled by what you are experiencing and looked back to try and better understand things and maybe help you.
It was when I read everything that I thought I would ask if you had ever had a pituitary workup because you've got more than one issue going on that "could" be connected to the pituitary axis.
Feel better
Horselip
Hi horselip
Qoute by horselip:
"I looked at your profile and see that you do not have this AI all by itself."
I saw my profile and it look very empty, I don't even have a background or a picture of me. It dont even dont say which type of deseases I have. I dont have all the patology of adrenal insufficiency, because the body respond relatively different from adrenal fatigue (prefered called adrenocortical deficiency or low adrenal reserve or mild adrenal insufficiency) although
you can see that light of symptoms of AI are the same from AF. I dont know if in Addison or other adrenal deseases the adrenal gland hurt a lot(even right now is hurting).
Quote by horselip:
"I also see that you take more HC than me!"
I never mention my dose in this post.
Quote by hoselip:
"I wonder if you have ever had a pituitary workup done? maybe your thyroid and adrenal issues are due to pituitary issues? just wondering if that was ever ruled out."
I had a test about LH and others dont remember right now, they appear normal. My thyroid desease is Hashimoto.
Qoute by horselip:
"I looked at your profile and see that you do not have this AI all by itself."
I saw my profile and it look very empty, I don't even have a background or a picture of me. It dont even dont say which type of deseases I have. I dont have all the patology of adrenal insufficiency, because the body respond relatively different from adrenal fatigue (prefered called adrenocortical deficiency or low adrenal reserve or mild adrenal insufficiency) although
you can see that light of symptoms of AI are the same from AF. I dont know if in Addison or other adrenal deseases the adrenal gland hurt a lot(even right now is hurting).
Quote by horselip:
"I also see that you take more HC than me!"
I never mention my dose in this post.
Quote by hoselip:
"I wonder if you have ever had a pituitary workup done? maybe your thyroid and adrenal issues are due to pituitary issues? just wondering if that was ever ruled out."
I had a test about LH and others dont remember right now, they appear normal. My thyroid desease is Hashimoto.
I looked at your profile and see that you do not have this AI all by itself. as I am in that school that does not buy into the herbal remedies.
I was reading your posts and would have to agree that it is very unusual to have isolated AI. I also see that you take more HC than me! I am panhypopit! eeks
I wonder if you have ever had a pituitary workup done? maybe your thyroid and adrenal issues are due to pituitary issues? just wondering if that was ever ruled out.
Horselip
I was reading your posts and would have to agree that it is very unusual to have isolated AI. I also see that you take more HC than me! I am panhypopit! eeks
I wonder if you have ever had a pituitary workup done? maybe your thyroid and adrenal issues are due to pituitary issues? just wondering if that was ever ruled out.
Horselip
For the first article the word grow, I agree that the word could be very confusing. The question is what is the technical meaning of grow? if the meaning is grow or mass or from volume.
The second and third are the same prodecure but looking different conclusions beacuse they notice some kind of cell growth that surprise them during the experiment. The third article is more specific use the word "cell proliferation".
The second and third are the same prodecure but looking different conclusions beacuse they notice some kind of cell growth that surprise them during the experiment. The third article is more specific use the word "cell proliferation".
We can always agree to disagree. There are definitely two sides and many people on both sides.
Yes, the labs uses were ACL, quest, and esoterix. My insurance paid for the saliva tests done by those labs. I did mostly midnight testing.
I mis-read the swelling part - sorry!
The first article, to me, is about one adrenal getting larger in response to the other one being completely removed which is not re-growing a new one or new part of one in response to having part removed which is what I meant by the liver which is how they can transplant a partial liver? That is what I would interpret as regeneration as a layman. In this case, I believe, they are looking for the adrenal to recover from suppression from the other adrenal? I guess it is a question of what is regeneration here.
The next paper is a study on adrenal-regeneration hypertensive disease. Never heard of it before! Again, after unilateral removal of an adrenal, it shows the other compensates.
The last paper seems to be the same. Kewl.
I had a doctor who treats many talk about how skin, hearts, livers, kidneys etc. unless diseased - all last so the fatigue argument he does not get. I understand though since it took me many many years to get diagnosed and many many doctors - the frustration, the time, the pain.
Yes, the labs uses were ACL, quest, and esoterix. My insurance paid for the saliva tests done by those labs. I did mostly midnight testing.
I mis-read the swelling part - sorry!
The first article, to me, is about one adrenal getting larger in response to the other one being completely removed which is not re-growing a new one or new part of one in response to having part removed which is what I meant by the liver which is how they can transplant a partial liver? That is what I would interpret as regeneration as a layman. In this case, I believe, they are looking for the adrenal to recover from suppression from the other adrenal? I guess it is a question of what is regeneration here.
The next paper is a study on adrenal-regeneration hypertensive disease. Never heard of it before! Again, after unilateral removal of an adrenal, it shows the other compensates.
The last paper seems to be the same. Kewl.
I had a doctor who treats many talk about how skin, hearts, livers, kidneys etc. unless diseased - all last so the fatigue argument he does not get. I understand though since it took me many many years to get diagnosed and many many doctors - the frustration, the time, the pain.
Hi rumpled
You wrote:
"I took saliva tests prescribed by my doctor that were covered by insurance."
Were they cortisol test? I will check if my health can cover the expenses too.
"Hydrocortisone is an anti-imflammatory medication."
Hydrocortisone is a synthetic form of the adrenal hormone cortisol, that have good anti-inflammatory properties and have a lot of pharmalogic uses.
"It actually will not make your adrenals swell"
I never said that HC put my adrenal to swell.
"Adrenals will not regenerate"
They will not regenerate???
Check this links about adrenal regeneration or cell proliferation :
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=123069
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2248988/ >>Click on the article
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8969888 >>Another from the goverment
Check the book Safe Use of Cortisol 3ed by Jefferies Page 39
I found another abstract that say that the adrenal medulla cannot regenerate but the cortex have the capacity to grow, I lose that link but I will try to look for it.
"Otherwise they could be transplanted like a liver"
This is new for me, interesting anecdote.
"all other glands in the body are built for a lifetime"
what is the premise for this argument? All humans being get old and die from numerous reason.
"why would the adrenals wear out?"
My mom call this kind of question "preguntas de luz"(bright question) because they dont have conclusive answers. How we know that the planet earth have a cortex then a mantle and a nucleus full of heated liquid iron? Only making theories and extrapolating the answer. Some physician have theories but nothing conclusive.
You are a respetable forumer and a well experience patient that have a lot to say, forgive me if this post make you uncomfortable.
You wrote:
"I took saliva tests prescribed by my doctor that were covered by insurance."
Were they cortisol test? I will check if my health can cover the expenses too.
"Hydrocortisone is an anti-imflammatory medication."
Hydrocortisone is a synthetic form of the adrenal hormone cortisol, that have good anti-inflammatory properties and have a lot of pharmalogic uses.
"It actually will not make your adrenals swell"
I never said that HC put my adrenal to swell.
"Adrenals will not regenerate"
They will not regenerate???
Check this links about adrenal regeneration or cell proliferation :
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=123069
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2248988/ >>Click on the article
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8969888 >>Another from the goverment
Check the book Safe Use of Cortisol 3ed by Jefferies Page 39
I found another abstract that say that the adrenal medulla cannot regenerate but the cortex have the capacity to grow, I lose that link but I will try to look for it.
"Otherwise they could be transplanted like a liver"
This is new for me, interesting anecdote.
"all other glands in the body are built for a lifetime"
what is the premise for this argument? All humans being get old and die from numerous reason.
"why would the adrenals wear out?"
My mom call this kind of question "preguntas de luz"(bright question) because they dont have conclusive answers. How we know that the planet earth have a cortex then a mantle and a nucleus full of heated liquid iron? Only making theories and extrapolating the answer. Some physician have theories but nothing conclusive.
You are a respetable forumer and a well experience patient that have a lot to say, forgive me if this post make you uncomfortable.
I took saliva tests prescribed by my doctor that were covered by insurance.
Hydrocortisone is an anti-imflammatory medication. It is used to treat pain such as arthritis. It actually will not make your adrenals swell, but atrophy on long term (usually large) dosages. My pituitary Cushing's enlarged mine. Adrenals will not regenerate. Otherwise they could be transplanted like a liver. See pics of adrenals on and off meds here http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/ENDOHTML/ENDO003.html
I agree about medical science not recognizing this condition and that something exists - and there are conditions involving the adrenals but fatigue... all other glands in the body are built for a lifetime - unless diseased - why would the adrenals wear out?
Hydrocortisone is an anti-imflammatory medication. It is used to treat pain such as arthritis. It actually will not make your adrenals swell, but atrophy on long term (usually large) dosages. My pituitary Cushing's enlarged mine. Adrenals will not regenerate. Otherwise they could be transplanted like a liver. See pics of adrenals on and off meds here http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/ENDOHTML/ENDO003.html
I agree about medical science not recognizing this condition and that something exists - and there are conditions involving the adrenals but fatigue... all other glands in the body are built for a lifetime - unless diseased - why would the adrenals wear out?
Hi camarocarol
I have too adrenal fatigue(AF) or adrenocortical deficiency. To know if you have AF is doing a a cortisol AM and PM blood test and check if is low or mid-low. Dont worry if you are in the normal range, the cortisol AM range only detect severe adrenal insufiency or Cushing(high cortisol) that's why the range is so broad. If you have adrenal fatigue you will notice a inner pain in the back(adrenal area) this is what I feel and otherstoo feel this. Exist saliva test that measure AM,11am, PM and 10pm during the day that are good ones too but are not covered by insurance.
The treatment is to use low doses of hydrocortisone (HC). That lower the strain on your adrenal and make them to regenerate. After two months with the treatment my left adrenal stop to pain and start to swelling(it stop to swell), my MD told me that that sewwling is a indication of adrenal regeneration, now Im waiting the regeneration of the right adrenal(which is very painfull especially during the mornings) that can take months or years to regenerate.
Those are the good news, the bad news is that using HC for long term is a double-edge treatment and can supress your adrenals or having problems to wipe out the HC. Some physician like William McK Jefferies say that it is very safe others says that had bad experiences.
The modern medicine does not recognize this condition this does not means that this condition does not exist. Remember decades ago doctors said avoid cholesterol, avoid cholesterol, avoid cholesterol, now they say avoid high LDL cholesterol, avoid high LDL cholesterol, avoid high LDL cholesterol because of new research. Now we need to be patient with the medical community so they can recognize this mild case of adrenocortical deficiency.
I have too adrenal fatigue(AF) or adrenocortical deficiency. To know if you have AF is doing a a cortisol AM and PM blood test and check if is low or mid-low. Dont worry if you are in the normal range, the cortisol AM range only detect severe adrenal insufiency or Cushing(high cortisol) that's why the range is so broad. If you have adrenal fatigue you will notice a inner pain in the back(adrenal area) this is what I feel and otherstoo feel this. Exist saliva test that measure AM,11am, PM and 10pm during the day that are good ones too but are not covered by insurance.
The treatment is to use low doses of hydrocortisone (HC). That lower the strain on your adrenal and make them to regenerate. After two months with the treatment my left adrenal stop to pain and start to swelling(it stop to swell), my MD told me that that sewwling is a indication of adrenal regeneration, now Im waiting the regeneration of the right adrenal(which is very painfull especially during the mornings) that can take months or years to regenerate.
Those are the good news, the bad news is that using HC for long term is a double-edge treatment and can supress your adrenals or having problems to wipe out the HC. Some physician like William McK Jefferies say that it is very safe others says that had bad experiences.
The modern medicine does not recognize this condition this does not means that this condition does not exist. Remember decades ago doctors said avoid cholesterol, avoid cholesterol, avoid cholesterol, now they say avoid high LDL cholesterol, avoid high LDL cholesterol, avoid high LDL cholesterol because of new research. Now we need to be patient with the medical community so they can recognize this mild case of adrenocortical deficiency.
If you do some research, you will find hormones cause a lot of depression and other disorders. They should rule them out before putting you on the other meds but... they don't. Endocrine stuff is very complex and so they appear to just ignore it IMHO!
i see a nurse practioner but she works with a endocrinoliogist....she has done good,i had thought all my problems were mental and all othr drs put me on xanax and anti depressants...im know on the hrmones and thyroid meds..she will be checking me in a month.
There are two schools of thought - that somehow adrenal glands wear out (while all the other glands and organs in your body last your lifetime) so you can take expensive supplements to help...
Or that the above is probably some disorder that is not being properly diagnosed, and since doctors have only a short attention span and insurance limits tests and time, it is sometimes easier to try to self-treat instead of pushing for proper testing and diagnosis.
It is the adrenal fatigue vs adrenal insufficiency issue.
I am not a doctor - but I would want proper testing before I take even more things and even the OTC herbs can effect you and the other medications that you take. An endocrinologist is the proper doctor for diagnosis and finding a good one can be challenging. It seems you already see one for the synthroid and the cytomel - so why is he not doing proper adrenal testing - cortisol, ACTH, renin, aldosterone and dhea sulfate to start and others really needed like a stimulation test to really prove the lack of function.
Or that the above is probably some disorder that is not being properly diagnosed, and since doctors have only a short attention span and insurance limits tests and time, it is sometimes easier to try to self-treat instead of pushing for proper testing and diagnosis.
It is the adrenal fatigue vs adrenal insufficiency issue.
I am not a doctor - but I would want proper testing before I take even more things and even the OTC herbs can effect you and the other medications that you take. An endocrinologist is the proper doctor for diagnosis and finding a good one can be challenging. It seems you already see one for the synthroid and the cytomel - so why is he not doing proper adrenal testing - cortisol, ACTH, renin, aldosterone and dhea sulfate to start and others really needed like a stimulation test to really prove the lack of function.
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