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is there alternative besides surgery for carotid artery?

Is there any product that would help elemanate the plack buildup in my carotid artery?
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I have administered chelation therapy to thousands of folks since 1974, retired in 2004. We saw drastic improvement in blockages and heart pain as well as carotid artery situations. Fish oil, good type that is, and many other suggestions listed on here are all good. However, if you have a serious blockage I think you need to be under the care of a capable physician who believes the same as you do, either traditional or alternative methods. Try checking with the ACAM group to find a doc who is trained in all these techniques. If you are simply looking for prevention, there are also docs who specialize in this by balancing your blood chemistry to suit what your specific body requires. The new method of Calcium EDTA utilizing a 5 minute IV push, by the way, got the same good results as the 3 hour Magnesium EDTA IV drip in most folks. The best method however, is to follow a protocol using a 24 hour urine sample to see where you are beginning and then @ 10 treatments and follow up and again at 10 more, etc. A rest between 20 treatments seems appropriate as well. Then begin a new routine. Once again, it depends on the situation, the amount of blockage, other conditions in the body and the lifestyle of the patient. Your pocketbook would also matter. If the protocol was done properly and proves that the patient has LEAD in the system in an abundance, we had insurance companies, including Medicare paying for the IV's. However, if a patient shows up with high Mercury or other toxic metals, the patient was required to pay out of their pocket. Just a little tid bit. Hope this helps. BYost
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757137 tn?1347196453
I forgot to mention that before he went for IV chelation one of his coronary arteries was 90 per cent occluded. A couple of others were't in great shape either. He was a heart attack waiting to happen. Well, it didn't.
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757137 tn?1347196453
Fifteen years ago my husband had two abortive heart attacks. He went for IV chelation. His blood pressure dropped to 120/70. Only now is his blood pressure rising again. Time for another fix. Chelation removes the plaque from arteries - all arteries.
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I believe I mentioned in one post that chelation might be beneficial, and that was one reason why I suggested the poster see an expert.  Some people believe it works, some don't.
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What are you thinking about this? Do you have this or something similar to it?  

I haven't really researched this, but it does sound interesting. I bet it would be beneficial for many other issues as well.
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I guess I will ask again...

Any thoughts on chelation therapy with EDTA for this?
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A blood thinner called dabigatran etexilate could be effective in preventing clots instead of warfarin. in Canada it's called Pradax and in Europe it's called Pradaxa, It's not yet approved in the  U.S.
The study, was published  by the New England Journal of Medicine, and the American Heart Association.
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458072 tn?1291415186
can we quit trying to prove that we know more than someone else does?

I come here for information. Not to see egos being stroked.

Can we just let someone post, and if we ask for references and what they give doesn't satisfy us, let that be a personal problem and not something that is beaten into the ground.

I hope that most people here, do as I do. When I read something someone posts, I verify it for my own personal knowledge.

.ya'll are getting on my nerves...I'm just sayin
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1042487 tn?1275279899
You say

''Finally, the subject is physiology, not biology.  Just sayin'.

I will know explain to you how it works since it might be useful for other people too.

When we say arteries, it is physiology. When we talk about oxygenation, low-density lipoproteins, sterol regulatory element binding protein, enzyme HMG-CoA reductase inhibition, blood-cell deformability, coagulation etc it is biology and medicine like i stated.

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1042487 tn?1275279899
Physiology is an integral part of biology in human biology and biology itself by the way Pax. In human Biology 111 it's almost everything about physiology.

You say

'' It's why I suggested he or she see an expert, because what we still don't know is how blocked the artery is, and it's a very important artery.''

I already talked about this issue and it is crystal clear that he saw an expert to know that the artery is blocked and he is here to know if there are any alternative that might HELP along with his traditional treatment and i already told him what i think about this and if his doctor offered surgery that he should go for it.


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1042487 tn?1275279899
You know it happened do me and i didn't like it and i got warned and i learned from that experience and since then i have no problems and this is why I am sharing it with respirate. All i want here is that the forum runs smoothly in a good ambiance without violating any Terms of Uses, that's all.

Oh and about piracetam i encourage you to read more about and you will eventually see that it is a anti-coagulation nootropic drug. The links i provided here are not all te ones i checked out but but only the most respectable websites around. It is under investigation to be co-administered with Warfarin or as an alternative to Warfarin. Anyway Pax, it doesn't take a P.h.D in medicine to know that what increases blood flow and oxygenation will most likely be an anti-coagulation agent. Whatever what should happen is the surgery and then his doctor will probably put him on Statin. But he did want to know if there were also alternative to HELP, not to replace traditional treatments. Therefore it why in the first place i talked about piracetam and lifestyle changes such as diet and physical exercise.
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The DHA comment was meant for respirate's post.  I combine in my posts what's relevant to the thread to aid the person posting, not for the benefit of those replying.  As to your links, I went to them all, and they didn't prove anything, but I researched further to actual researchers and discovered that the drug was never able to get approval from FDA because it never proved it did anything for anything.  Ever since, the manufacturer has been trying to find a disease its drug can treat.  Maybe one day it'll succeed.  If you wish to take it, I'm fine with that.  But it won't solve the problem of the poster, and that's all I'm trying to deal with here.  The other point about citing sources is that you keep going after one person on here for things you didn't like people doing to you, and all I'm trying to do is clarify what the concerns are.  As to websites being free for anyone to copy, as one responder noted, that's not true.  Books are available for anyone to copy, too, but it violates copyright.  Not all websites are copyrighted, but people have gotten into trouble on this site for copying material and I'm just trying to protect everyone so it doesn't happen to them.  Anyone can comment on anything in their own words without violating copyrights, and then can include a link to that site for the full source quotation.  That keeps MedHelp from coming after any of us, which is all I'm trying to prevent.  Finally, as this forum has no official leader, none of us should be telling others what they can and can't do.  If nobody had done that, I wouldn't have commented about it.  MedHelp has proven quite capable of policing itself.  There was also a comment about chelation -- that might be an option for the poster.  It's why I suggested he or she see an expert, because what we still don't know is how blocked the artery is, and it's a very important artery.  Finally, the subject is physiology, not biology.  Just sayin'.
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1042487 tn?1275279899
Thanks a lot! I've been trying to deliver the message but it seems that i have failed to do so. I hope this will resolve the issue we are having here so we can avoid any discussion on related to sources and citation that would make the topic drift away.
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Looks like this topic's drifting away from Alternative Therapies, and there's a lot of great information being shared here.  If you do post information from another source, please be sure to cite it so that your source gets the credit :-)

Claire
MedHelp.org
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1042487 tn?1275279899
I never said it was not a drug!

''I did not mean supplement like it's natural or anything like that, it's a nootropic drug still but you can get it just like a supplement with no prescription.''

As for the sources, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ and http://www.sciencedirect.com/ are the two most complete websites scientists publish their resources and to get the full studies you have to pay and all universities have access to those websites and stdents can get the studies for free. So if you say they aren't actually studies you are WAY out just simply because they are the main place scientists publish their study and get peer reviews.

And the studies are telling it IS useful as a long-term treatment for clotting, coagulation, and vasospastic disorders. If you know a bit of biology and medicine you can easily state that physical activity, anti-coagulants WILL help at removing the plaque build up.

Also why are you telling me this stuff about EPA; DHA that i already know? Did i told the guy to get supplements? If you address your post to me, stay on the the topic that is meant to be taken personally by me.

Also i have been very clear with rexeugene

''If you know you have plaque build up in your carotid artery that means you saw a doctor, if that doctor suggested you surgery i would go for it. Like you have been told any alternative would be a very slow process and you are in danger of having a stroke. Oh and in case you have a stroke, which i don't wish' Piracetam has been found to improve cognition after a stroke. But yeah basically you want to avoid the stroke and go for the surgery. Carotid artery is something to be taken very seriously.''

That's enough for you to not remember me that we must send him to the expert.

You said ''folks'' ok i know that from there the message should not be taken personally but you should have make another post intended to everyone if you wanted to discuss that.
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It's from mens health
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I've never seen The Mystery of Inflammation PDF from
http://www.macsportsandrehab.com/ until now. I get my information like just about everyone
research. I take notes and read  
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If something is on-line for public viewing it is well known that people everywhere are printing, copying, and attaching links to this information.  If a site is concerned about copyright issues, you are not able to copy and paste any of it's information, and it carries a strong warning aginst this. Everyone knows that if we copy and paste something here, it's no different than that person clicking on a link and reading it themselves.  If we are not able to do this, then we shouldn't be attempting to translate it in our own words as much gets lost in the interpretation.  It's much better to allow the person to read it for himself, but I don't see where posting a link is any better than copying and pasting, it's still allowing one to read information thru MH website.  I will check this out.
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The studies you cited -- well, they aren't actually studies, just documents -- are all quite old.  Dr. Weill's article came after, and other researchers just gave up on it.  One researcher called it a drug in search of a disease.  It is a drug, not a natural product, approved in Europe but not in the US.  That's why you can only get in on the internet, it has to come from Europe.  That doesn't mean it doesn't do something, but it doesn't remove plaque, and all research on it as to strokes was after the people had already suffered the stroke and retrieving cognition was being worked on.  And again, you keep asking respirate to quote his source, but I keep telling you both that you can't just copy stuff, you're in danger of violating copyright law.  If both of you want to stay on this forum, stop quoting other people's hard earned labor and just put it into your own words and put a link if you want, as M4 did here.  Unfortunately, those links are just one paragraph summarizing studies without saying if they were reliable, and were old studies.  That's why the drug was never approved in the US, there's no proof it does anything, but if it does, it oxygenates the blood.  So do many supplements, as I stated above, and might be a good thing to do generally, but won't remove plaque that's already formed.  As to Omega 6 fatty acids, they are way overrepresented in the American diet, so it's unlikely anyone has to supplement them.  And the major heart aiding fat in fish oil is EPA; DHA largely affects brain performance, and is also a major factor in eye health.

Jeez, folks, this person has a clogged carotid artery.  Send him to an expert, we can't help him.
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1042487 tn?1275279899
Why won't you cite your sources? Some of information you provided in your second post is coming from The Mystery of Inflammation PDF from

http://www.macsportsandrehab.com/

Until line 7 everything was fine but everything after is coming from the above source and it would have been great to at least cite the information.
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If you know you have plaque build up in your carotid artery that means you saw a doctor, if that doctor suggested you surgery i would go for it. Like you have been told any alternative would be a very slow process and you are in danger of having a stroke. Oh and in case you have a stroke, which i don't wish' Piracetam has been found to improve cognition after a stroke. But yeah basically you want to avoid the stroke and go for the surgery. Carotid artery is something to be taken very seriously. When i said ''limited source of saturated fats'' the meaning of this was basically stay away from bacon and go for the Omega-3 kind of saturated fat this is why i said LIMITED and not AVOID because Omega-3 and 6 are very limited in quantity and should be taken daily even tho they are saturated fat. Basically fish is ok and bacon is bad.
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1042487 tn?1275279899
I did not mean supplement like it's natural or anything like that, it's a nootropic drug still but you can get it just like a supplement with no prescription.
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1042487 tn?1275279899
Piracetam is a supplement, it can be bought as a powder or pills over the internet or at some food supplement stores. And yes it is studied for it's anti-coagulant proprieties.

''Clotting, coagulation, vasospastic disorders

Piracetam is useful as a long-term treatment for clotting, coagulation, and vasospastic disorders such as Raynaud's phenomenon and deep-vein thrombosis It is an extremely safe anti-thrombotic agent that operates through the novel mechanism of inhibiting platelet aggregation and enhancing blood-cell deformability. Because traditional anti-thrombotic drugs operate through the separate mechanism of inhibiting clotting factors, co-administration of piracetam has been shown to highly complement the efficacy and safety of traditional Warfarin/Heparin anti-coagulation therapy. The most effective treatment range for this use is a daily dose of 4.8 to 9.6 grams divided into three daily doses at 8 hours apart. Piracetam is currently being investigated as a complement or alternative to Warfarin as a safe and effective long-term treatment for recurring deep-vein thrombosis.''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam#Clotting.2C_coagulation.2C_vasospastic_disorders

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16459490

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8457235

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1C-4031BTK-22&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=d5619ee64c50ab18ecc78fc0586f1e03


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Any thoughts on chelation therapy with EDTA for this?
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