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Alternative Therapies Forum

MedHelp has added another great forum for people looking for alternative/natural methods of dealing with their issues. On this forum, (Alternative Therapies) you will find many interesting discussions on diet, nutrition, exercise and suppliments.
Anyone who comes to the Anxiety Forum looking for natural and/or alternative therapies will be redirected to these forums.
The Anxiety Forum is essentially for people who have chosen a more traditional approach to healing through the use of pharmaceuticals.
We must all remember that there is no "one right way."
Thank You
Greenlydia    
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463897 tn?1468013750
At this time, we are CLOSING this THREAD to future posts.  Everyone is welcome to post on Anxiety, or our new Alternative Therapies Community within the guidelines stated above.

We look forward to seeing your new posts soon!

Cheryl
MH Community Mgr


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1100140 tn?1260594269
This is enough to give anyone  ANXIETY !!This is going to push people to not ever want to come back. We are coming here for everyday struggles with anxiety and dont want to see everyone arguing over all this stuff :-( .
I agree with both sides I take Zoloft and now vitamins too. What is the big fuss?? In the end you  make your own choices about your health and what goes in your body. People are just suggesting. Right? Not to be rude in anyway. If I am wronge please let me know . Have a good day :-)
Melinda
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Is this what nutrition does to people? Jasus. One mention of it and look what happens. I wonder what would happen if we all started eating healhty. We'd be killing each other. ( LOL ) Bananas at the ready. Attack. Lydia was only saying there was a new forum. Why it had to be taken further than that is beyond me. She should have locked the thread. Not let anybody post in it. There's an idea. Remove all the thrash talk. Leave the only posts that are important to understanding that we have a new forum.
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480448 tn?1426948538
Cheryl,

Thank you so much for the clarification.  I think it is very important for the members to know that the CL's aren't just deleting posts at will.....as was the accusation made in this thread.  It just isn't a fair statement to make about our CL's here.

Thanks again for the information.
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We'd like to clarify some things for you here.  

Our new Alternative Therapies community welcomes all of our communities to post in-depth discussions as they relate to nutrition and a variety of alternative treatments.   General posts about nutrition or alternative treatments are welcomed here, but in-depth discussions should be posted on our new community.  

As a reminder, our Moderators review and delete any posts that are against our Terms of Use  http://www.medhelp.org/termsofuse.htm , while our Community Leaders only delete posts in rare, emergency situations, pending our Moderator's final decision.

We look forward to seeing you post both on your Anxiety and our new Alternative Therapies community  http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Alternative-Therapies-Community/show/685 .  By working together, your community benefits everyone.    

Cheryl
MH Community Mgr
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480448 tn?1426948538

I have said it and will say it again.....while the topics of diet etc are extremely valuable....i do NOT think they are appropriate for a person who comes here in crisis.  Yes, maybe after we can get the person some relief, sure...b/c I DO believe that lifestyle changes are vital in keeping anxiety at bay...I do NOT, however, feel that they are useful as a first line of defense against debilitating anxiety.   WHY?  Not b/c of my career, but rather from my OWN experiences with a lifetime of suffering.  Ive suffered since I was a child.  I have TRIED the lifestyle changes, and while admittedly felt a bit BETTER, it never controlled my anxiety.  I understand that everyone is different, and what didn't work for me would work for someone else...but again, I just don't think that tons of discussions about these topics belong here...simply b/c people come here for answers....MANY times about traditional treatments.  You are making yet another assumption that people will somehow be banished off the forum for any mention of these treatments, and that is absurd.  PEOPLE WILL BE GIVEN A CHOICE, it's that simple.  If people WANT to explore those types of treatments, then they now have a place to go...and like M4 said, the forum is growing.  Ive checked it out and can see how it WOULD be very useful for PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT INFORMATION.

The main point is.....while those discussions are welcome, it kind of defeats the purpose of an anxiety forum if people have to wade through a TON of convos about diet and exercise, and accupuncture, to find info about a new AD they have been prescribed.  That is the point.  If that offends you...Im sure it wasn't the intention for goodness sakes.

I'm going back to helping people with anxiety.  I'm really so tired of this nonsense.  So tired of every post, or gesture being turned into something it isn't.  For what it is worth, Ive had plenty of posts deleted, and while I'd like to be able to have an adult convo with others....MH Mods have a job to do as well.  

For everyone else reading...EVERYONE is welcome in this forum, regardless of what you believe...and believe me, we all often disagree about treatment modalities.  Myself and Paxiled have disagreed about Rx's plenty of times, but I still respect his viewpoints, and recognize his contribution to this forum.  We are here to help, plain and simple...regardless of what treatment you choose.  We are here to listen, comfort, and make darker nights not so dark.  Whether you pop a pill, or get on a treadmill.

Im going to end this post with a quote from greenlydia, which was in her opening post on this thread...which made it awfully clear that she was NOT trying to exclude anyone at all in this forum.....

"We must all remember that there is no "one right way."

Certainly makes sense to me.
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480448 tn?1426948538
Good gracious.

I'm not going to get involved in another "war" per se, but I MUST say that lydia is being dealt a VERY unfair hand.....and a LOT of assumptions are being made about her "powers".  Lydia has stated over and over when we had the last go around, that SHE did not delete any of your posts....why not leave it at that?  The MH Mods got involved in the thread, for goodness sakes, and yet STILL she is being accused of being trigger happy with the delete button.  WAY unfair.  Lydia of all people DESPISES when people can't speak their mind, which is why, as frequent contributors here, you should be glad that SHE is our CL.

She wanted to announce the start of a new forum, how's that so hard to understand?  We are here to discuss anxiety, and for the most part...OFFER SUPPORT to those suffering..share our experiences, and suggest treatments.  Instead of picking this to death, lets be fair here...of COURSE nutrition, exercise, accupuncture, etc are NOT traditional first line treatments for anxiety...even if some of you wish they were.  THEREFORE, there is NOW a perfect place for people interested in those Rx's to go.  It doesn't mean that at the 1st mention of diet, a person is "banished" to that forum...come on now guys...you're both being a bit unreasonable. It means that if a thread goes solely in that direction, a link will be offered, sensibly, to lead people to a forum that may offer more info directed to their interests.  No one would be told they couldn't participate in the anxiety forum...if that's what you're thinking, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what this forum is about.

Again, another gesture of lydia's has been taken TOTALLY out of context, and I have to agree that you are painting a totally incorrect and out of line picture of who she is, and what her goals are for this forum...and I sincerely hope you both can put your own OPINIONS about this topic aside, and think about that.  That is so unfair to her.

I just really wish we could get back to what we ALL do best....and that's helping others like ourselves.
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I never said nobody wasn't allowed anywhere. People now have a choice. If they want to post on this forum they will. If they want to post on the other forum they will. It will all boil down to where they feel they will get the better answer. They might look at the other forum and think ' this is the one for my question, they have more knowledge of what I am looking for '. Were if I saw a post on nutrition I would ignore because I know nothing at all about that area. Just like many others.
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I have to say, I'm totally confused.  This is our forum for anxiety sufferers.  We're looking for help and to help others.  To have this site confined to pharmaceuticals and psychologists just cheats people out of getting all the options that are out there so they can make up their own mind.  Redirecting them to a forum which only duplicates a forum already on the site, the complementary medicine forum, makes no sense, and that forum rarely talks about anxiety.  All kinds of people with all kinds of problems go there, or at least did until the MedHelp censors destroyed that forum.  But this forum should not be bifurcated between those who believe in whatever works and that medication, because it can be dangerous, should not be used for minor problems.  Now for me, with my world closing it, I took that risk, and I lost big time.  Had I been on this forum before a quack ruined my life I would have been forewarned.  I just don't see why we can't all have a part here no matter what our viewpoints.  This forum has always had a pro-medication bias, but those of us who felt people with less serious problems shouldn't be so quick to jump in that direction because we've known the ups and downs of meds should be allowed to give them options.  It's always for the poster to decide what to do.  Now, I have no authority here, nor do I claim some superior wisdom, but to send people to two different forums to discuss one problem just doesn't compute.  I just don't get it.  Are we here to help people, or sell pharmaceuticals on this site and natural remedies on another?  It's all medicine; the bifurcation was artificially created by people seeking profit, but that shouldn't be our concern, our concern should be about helping one another.  And Mr. Green, you obviously have a bias against "alternative therapy," -- sticking needles all over their body, I mean, really -- and that's okay.  Why aren't those of us who see this holistically, including all forms of treatment, allowed  here?  Would you banish Dean Ornish?  Deepak Chopra?  Hyla Cass at UCLA?  Dr. Gordon in DC?  All MDs, all having abandoned this artificial bifurcation to practice integrated medicine.  In other words, whatever works.  Anyhoo, that's my say, for whatever it's worth.  
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perhaps to be more clear...when treating diabetes, there is the medical route and then there is the nutritional route. EACH are totally essential...yet each are very different in approach....however what you do not see is a forum dedicated to each specific treatment. the same can be said for anxiety and other mental illness...while there are some who indeed don't care at all about their health and think they can still see improvement, it doesn't change the fact that you simply are what you eat. any biologist will tell you that. so to say nutriton is an alternative treatment is then incorrect...and to suggest it has no place in this forum is extremely insulting to the many people who do see benefits from better nutrition or eating more of certain foods or even vitamins. it isn't to say everyone SHOULD use this treatment option, but it certainly does need to allowed room in this forum because i think we can all agree that if a person were to stumble on that information in this forum and it made all the difference in the world for them...then wouldn't it be worth it? they certainly won't be going to an alternative therapy forum looking for answers to their anxiety questions and it isn't fair to redirect them. by this standard nutritional treatment for diabetes can be considered alternative, and they too should be redirected. i do not argue that the alternative therapy forum shouldn't exist...if people want to use it, then thats great. but i think that treatments that will be redirected to this new forum are NOT alternative therapies. for example, banana's really do help me during an anxiety attack. why is this? i don't know...perhaps the potassium...perhaps psychosomatic...perhaps another reason entirely. the point is, how is it that this will no longer be a topic allowed for discussion just because one person deems it 'alternative'

indeed, i think a vote would be a great idea...as paxiled suggested. but first, i think we should know exactly what the plans are for redirecting people...and which topics will be redirected since they no longer hold a place for discussion here. if everyone agrees that we should give judgement of what an 'alternative therapy' is to just one person or a select few persons...and that that person should then redirect every violator....then i suppose i have nothing else to say and i'll just go back to my quite little corner.
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I totally understand your point but there's a gap between traditional medicine and nutrition or any other approaches. The gap is slowly closing but the pharmaceutical and medical lobbying is very powerful. Some doctors started to spreading the word like Dr. Richard Béliveau or Dr. Mark Hyman for example.

That being said this is why other approaches are considered alternatives since they don't fit into the separated mentality of traditional medicine. We are far from the wholeness and this is not only true for the medical community but also on larger scales and smaller scales. Wholeness is the key.

Best regards,
M4
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i'm sure you do recommend the new forum for various reasons. i suppose the question remains...what's considered 'alternative' and what's not. my opinion is that knowing nutrition that promotes good mental health is NOT alternative...nor is knowing certain forms of relaxation/meditation techniques...nor is knowing what type of talk therapy might work...or what common prescription meds are available...so the question remains if none of this really IS alternative...what exactly is? because the whole merely the sum of it's parts, right? so which part is it that we're supposed to discuss somewhere else? because any doctor will tell you that all of these, not just one or two, but ALL of these are different forms of therapy used sometimes individually and sometimes together to treat the same thing.

there in lies my confusion....who exactly will be re-directed and for what reasons? because when it comes right down to it, every treatment should be considered since this is the anxiety forum...not a forum tailored to a specific treatment for such a disorder. but again, merely my humble opinion. as i've said, it doesn't count for much.
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1042487 tn?1275279899
Personally i suggest the alternative therapies forum. It's starting to grow and we have really interesting and knowledgeable information there. Everyone who have anxiety or any other troubles is welcome.

I'm very exited about this new forum and there's no link between the anxiety forum and this forum. They can of course be used in conjunction. It's just a great new forum and i am sure it will help many people.

Happy holidays!
M4
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"making abitrary decisons about WHO can discuss WHAT on the Anxiety Forum."

indeed you do. as it is, most recent examples i could cite have been deleted. however, i don't think i've misunderstood anything. i think i understand it quite well actually. sadly, you think i'm talking specifically about you. you're just the messanger. you don't have the power to create a new forum all by yourself. indeed, i'm sure you do hold inluence in the matter...but you alone wouldn't have been able to. it's those higher than you that wished to do this, and i can hardly understand why they thought it was a good idea. perhaps this is their way to diffuse the situation...just put people in separate rooms, right? i think it's a very poor solution. but as you're well aware, greenlydia, my opinion doesn't make much difference, nor does it hold much value at all.
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You have both TOTALLY misunderstood what I've said.

And you both seem hell bent on making me out to be some sort of "Forum Nazi" who is making abitrary decisons about WHO can discuss WHAT on the Anxiety Forum.

I simply wanted to let people know that there was now a forum that was strictly geared to alternative therapies for those who wished to deal with their problems in a more natural, drug free way. This in no way implied they were not "allowed" to talk about natural/alternative methods on the Anxiety Forum. And Flob............by saying that these folks would be "redirected" to these other forums does NOT mean they are being kicked out of the Anxiety Forum. It means if they are asking for information that we can't give them, we are now be able to offer them a forum dedicated to their questions and concerns.

Greenlydia
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I think the whole idea is that if you want to read and write about nutrition and good foods and getting needles stuck in places all over you body, then the new forum will be for you. Medication and theraphy talk stays on this forum. It is easy to want to argue this one down to the ground. But for once let us just accept it. We all know exactly what it means. No need to pretend we don't. If your question is about diets and good foods and that approach you will be redirected, maybe along with your post, to the new forum. How easier can it be put. I wouldn't class traditional theraphy as alternative. I think it is common form of treatment amongst most users. Just like medication is. So the new forum is a great idea. Like minded people can stick together and talk about what they want to talk about. It doesn't mean they can't still use this forum as well. Think what they post on this forum may be watched a little closer. If the mods feel it is in the wrong area they will place it elsewhere or remove it. That is their call. People can make it easy for them or make it hard by posting wrong posts on purpose. Guess we shall just have to wait to see how it goes.
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"Anyone who comes to the Anxiety Forum looking for natural and/or alternative therapies will be redirected to these forums."

just to be clear so there is no question....i consider therapy to be the most natural of all treatments. in addition, good diet really is essential. but as has been pointed out, natural treatments are no longer allowed...ie therapy and discussions of certain foods that promote good mental health.

i thought i should clarify before i get scorned.

and indeed...HAPPY HOLIDAYS, right?
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it's a matter of convenience. there have been some very strong opinions related to certain methods of treatments. these opinions aren't always in agreement with the powers that be, so how convenient is it to 'redirect' them?

i'm surprised, to say the least. it's as though certain treatment methods are now off limits in this forum. ironic, since benzo's are actually a last resort treatment rather than front-line. front-line treatment of course starts with therapy, then you move on to ssri's, etc, then last resort benzo's. it seems as though we're no longer allowed to discuss step 1, though.

of course, there's certainly quite a lot in this forum we're not allowed to discuss, though...so it should be of no surprise to anyone. right?


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lets hope the censor gods don't delete this. it's completely 'on topic' and non-arguemtative. it won't be my fault if anyone changes the tone of what i've said.
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The traditional approach to healing is the "alternative" therapies and various forms of talk.  Pharmaceuticals are really the new kids on the block.  I have no idea why you'd banish all talk of anything but pharmaceuticals from the anxiety forum.  For one thing, we already have a complementary medicine forum for these questions, as well as a nutrition forum, but not everyone or even most of the people on such forums suffer anxiety. It's here the anxiety sufferers like me come, and I'd like to see all approaches people have tried spoken about here.  I don't understand why a forum generally about anxiety would restrict itself to pharmaceuticals any more than I would understand why one would not allow talk of pharmaceuticals.  I believe this will make this forum much less useful for all of us, because the other forum will range far and wide and not devote itself to anxiety.  And, as I said, it's duplicative of forums already on this website.  I'm very confused at this arbitrary decision.  Perhaps you should put it to a vote of the members of this forum, which is from my experience the most vibrant of all the forums I've visited on MedHelp.  
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