I get this extremely bad knot in my left shoulder blade muscle area....between the blade and my spinal chord area... when i stuff envelopes or cook or fish.. it gets excruciatingly bad.. i know its just one of the muscles.. but why is it ONLY the LEFT side all the time and how can i minimize the pain because it gets to where i cant hold my head up sometimes. It was knotted so bad the other day, it started to make my neck have a numbing/stinging excruciating feeling going up my spine from the beginning sore spot.. i just dont know how to cure it...
I have been having pains in this same area. It seems to be located between my left shoulder blade and spine. Lately, the pain has gotten worse. Just when I am sitting at my desk chair, the pain is extremely unpleasant. I think the pain comes from carrying around books all day, because I am a college student. I have an office job on campus doing things on a computer, and at times the pain is so bad it is distracting and causes me not to work. I have been to massage therapists twice and they never seem to help. Do you think I should visit a chiropractor? Has it helped anyone else with the pain?
Yes-it has helped me-going to a Chiropractor...he took x-rays of my spine and lower back etc to see what the problem is on why my shoulder and ect. is hurting and stiff alot......my spine looked like a "S" nad the shoulder is from stress and me favoring my right side more than my "left" so when I use the left side more at times for some reason...it tenses up You might give a Chiropractor a chance and just see how ya feel!
Am I glad I happened upon this forum. I have for the past few months off and on a burning pain in my left shoulder...mid way down near my spine as well. It feels like its swollen..as if there is a knot forming there and I've taken aspirin to try to help the inflammation and pain. I go to a chiropractor for regular adjustments and it seems to help some. Right now I am in pain sitting here at work. I am going to a massage therapist starting Tuesday. It is one of the benefits here at my work. $15 for 15 minutes so I can easily do this during my lunch break. I think a lot of it is from me always carrying everything on my left side. My granddaughter, my purse, whatever. I played with my granddaughter 2 weeks ago and its been hurting me ever since. Could be from bending and lifting her up and holding her on my left side and then laying on my back and holding her above me. I am going to try alternating between heat and ice packs and see what happens with that. The past two days weren't bad but this morning is painful. Could be the way I sleep too. Who the heck knows. I have a wedding to go to on Saturday and I sure as heck don't want to be in pain. I wanna dance! lol
I have the same problem. I try to stand up or sit up at the computer and it feels like someone is stabbing me in the back on the right bottom side of my left shoulder blade in between my shoulder and spine. tylenol doesnt seem to help.... Im 9 months pregnant and have a 4 year old so stress may very well be a cause but GOD this hurts!!
Its definitly a muscle problem, and the knott need to get worked out. Chiropractors are good as they focus on this stuff. Ask if yours uses graston as that works great. Try to use a warm rag or heating pad in the area when at home, and get a massager or have someone massage the area. It will hurt, but use as much pressure as you can stand and it will feel better afterward.
These things could be stress related you you could have had a tear in the muscle. Just keep working it out and it will get rid of the pain. www.chirofacts.info can help you find a doctor
I have a similar pain in my right shoulder blade area. It hurts when I do things with my left hand. When I fish, wash the dishes, hold my son, or anything with my left side it hurts. Typically the pain subsides when I am able to sit down, relax my left arm, or lift my head. This does not always work, though. I have taken some over the counter pain meds, but they do not seem to make a single bit of difference. It hurts so bad sometimes. Sometimes it feels like the area is tingling, like when your leg or arm falls asleep. Other times it feels like a bruise or a sore muscle, and I just feel the pain consistantly, no matter what I'm doing. This has been occuring for a week and a half now. I don't want it to continue. I guess I should call the doctor. I'll try some of the things mentioned above also. Have any of those things helped any of you?
I have this same thing and it came out of nowhere! I can't find a comfortable place to sleep, can't wash my hair, can hardly move my right arm up or down. The pain is burning around my right shoulder blade and middle of my back. Affects my neck and most all I do since I'm right handed. I guess I have no choice but to find a chiropractor and visit my massage therapist again.
Ok all-- i get to kill all these birds with one stone!!! The problem most likely is NOT really in the shoulder blade area. The problem, believe it or not, is in the muscles of the neck, specifically the scalenes, the SCMs the UPPER traps and the lev scapulae, with some help from the pec muscles. What happens is that these muscles get short and tight due to FORWARD HEAD POSTURE. When your head is held forward, and not over the spine, the muscles in your mid back have to work extra heard to keep your scapulas in place, and to balance out the weight of yor head (16 lbs!!= a bowling ball). If not of these muscles (rhomboids, longitudinal muscles of the spine and other scapular stabilizers ie the ones that hurt) your head would fall to your feet. The solution is trifold
1. fix your posture-- keep your head over your spine
2. Strengthen the mid back muscles I mentioned (do not stretch them-- they are already overstretched)
3. Lengthen (with stretching and triggerpoint release) the tight muscles --scalenes, upper traps, scms and pecs)
You may use trigger point release on those nasty knts in your back-- but they will most likely reture until the day arrives where they no longer have to work so hard becasue your posture has been corrected.
3 books. 1. a book on posture by Paul D'Arezzo
2. Trigger point manual by Clair Davies
3. How to fix your back pain without drugs or surgery by Joie Bookspan
1 website-- by Jolie Bookspan
Regarding chiroprractics for this problem-- probably wil not help more than a few hours or a day. You muscles are pulling your bones, not the other way around. think about that.
How do i know all this stuff? 2 1/2 years of disabling muscle pain in my neck, chest and back. 3 years of research and reading (after dozens of worthless doctor visits). Fixed myself. 99% pain fee now.
Well I believe that, I have the same pain on my left side shoulder blade that comes thru to my chest and I cnat even lay flat on my back at night I feel like some one is sticking a knife in my back . Now just recently I have found that if I sit straight up in my chair it hurts too so I rest my head back to relax my neck muscles and that helps alot. My husband always pushes on the knot that is always there but I have noticed that I hold my head forward all the time. I do daycare so I lift kids all the time and I never really relax my head even wehn sittinng my head is always up straight I dont lean it back to relax it and when I do it feels better So I have been adjusting the way I sit lay and walk I am more aware of how I am doing things and realized I lean on my left side when sitting leaning on my left arm.. Thanks for you advise it makes alot of since..
yea i dont know exatly what but i feel snowboarding and rolled onto my arm like i was on my face and rolled on my back with my arm underneath me and know i got this it hurts like crazy but i dont think its casue of stress
You described my symptoms exactly! The itchy feeling especially drives me nuts, and you can't even get any relief when you try scratching the area. I actually reach over my shoulder with a pair of long scissors to reach the itch LOL!
I do not know what is causing this either, I've had this occurring for a year at least now.
When I rotate my left shoulder blade it sounds as if bones are scraping or something is crunching around. Whatever it is, it causes knots to form underneath and around the shoulder blade. Then, the muscles going up and down my spine get so tight and irritated and feel like they just need to be snapped to release the pressure. The pain/irritation is agonizing. The pain runs up the muscle along my spine to the base of my head and has now reached down to my lower back as if I had just worked all of those muscles out the day before. My general practitioner said it was normal the first year. The second year she said it was tendonitis and sent my to a chiropractor/physical therapist. He said it was my posture and tried to massage the knots out and give me the electrode whatever you call it therapy. That only made it worse. Then, he decided it wasn't my posture/muscles, but sounded like my bone (whatever that means?). I had to stop going because the problem was now all day everyday as opposed to once a week. Then I went to an orthopeadic doctor. The X-ray showed nothing. Then, the CT Scan showed hairline fractures in 3 ribs (I fell down my concrete steps jsut before this problem started) but that they had already healed and could not be causing the pain. The MRI actually showed 5 discs that were protruding slightly, but on the opposite side! I am at my wits end and noone can figure out what is causing this problem. When I take deep breathes I can feel my shoulder blade pushing up against something - like a muscle/knot. When I rotate my shoulder blade around I can feel it rubbing over the muscle/knots that actually help to massage it. Motrin, aleve, tylenol, nothing over the counter works. Wearing anything even just fitting that puts pressure on my shoulder blade ends up very painful halfway through the day. I am constantly jerking my neck hoping to crack it as if it would release the pain/stress but it never does. The only thing that makes any difference is the athritic cream that I have to lather up before bed and just lay there. SOmetimes there is relief in the morning. This has been going on for maybe 2 years and has gotten progressively worse. About 2 1/2 years ago I slid down my concrete front steps, but no doctors seem to clue in that it may have something to do with my pain. If anyone has information, I would surely appreciate it as I don't know what else to do.
I have had this problem going on for 8 years now, it started with my first pregnancy. Sometimes I feel so depressed about it, it makes me feel broken down at 28, I can't even play with my kids. After my second prengnancy I tried a chiropractor and that helped with the headaches. The xrays showed that I carry my head forward and my spine is out of alignment. I quit going when I got pregnant for the third and final time and the pain has gotten much worse. My pain is caused from my posture and it is muscular. I have all these knots all in the area between my shoulder blades and my spine, all up and down my back. While I was pregnant a perk of my insurance was physical therapy 3 times a week and massages, but after I quit going the pain is back worse than ever and in more places. It is in my left chest muscles bad. Sometimes I think I am having a heart condition or something. When I take a deep breath the pain shoots through my left chest area and into my left shouldber area as well. I have a horrible knot in my neck right at the base of my skull and it causes headaches and sinus problems. Most days I am in so much pain I can not be an affective mother. I can't play with my kids, and I fuss at them because I feel so bad. This problem is interupting my life so much and I don't have any insurance anymore so I can't get any help. I feel like I have aged so much, I don't feel 28 at all. I am so sick of being in pain all the time.
I suffered with the pain for a long time then it "went away". In its place eventually came an itchy sensation that would not stop. This has been going on for weeks. Finally I decided to "google" what I was feeling and sure enough people have obviously been dealing with the same thing. The one term I don't believe was posted here is "notalgia paraesthetica" this describes the itchy tingling to a T! and it ties in with the pain. Look into notalgia paraesthetica and I'm sure you'll agree with my self diagnosis. It took that to lead me to the conclusion of what was happening when I was in pain. GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!!!
I have the exact same pain and it is so bad that it seems to poke thru to the front. I have found a product called a Theracane. It looks like a short shepards hook and has a couple handles and knobs on it. If you place the knob on a knot and apply pressure the pain lessens. It is amazing how much this product helped me. It is available for less than 50 bucks at a med supply store
Suffered the same symptoms for 15-20 years. Tried Quackapractors, MDs, massage, and excercise. It always came back. Woke up one morning last fall and my left hand would not work. Went to the ER thinking I had a stroke. Got an MRI on my cervical area and found that I had severe stynosiys(sp) and a very bad hernieated disk at T1. Had the surgery and feel better but my hand will never be right because of all the years of letting the idiots pop my back for money. Go get an MRI even if you have to pay for it. Find out for sure what the problem is. Quackapractors and their gizmo of the week can not see soft tissue issues like an MRI. Popping your neck or back will not fix an damaged disc. I have lost the use of my left hand because of listening to those idiot money grubbing snake oil salesman. What are you going to do?
I have been experiencing a burning, slightly itchy pain on my left side, just below the shoulder blade. It's in the middle of my left side, about half way between my side and my spinal cord. I did some research and came across this, which concerns me:
"Pains that occur under the shoulder blade may signal a warning that the pain is not in the shoulder itself, but can be related to a pain from one of the organs in the body. The shoulder where the pain occurs can give the clue which of the organs are affected and causing the radiating pain into the shoulder. Pain under the left shoulder blade can be a signal that there is a problem with the stomach or other abdominal structures (ulcers, pancreatitis, ectopic pregnancy) or in the chest (myocardial infarction [heart attack], pericarditis, pleuritis, pneumonia, pulmonary embolus, aortic dissection)."
Has anyone been given a diagnosis related to internal organs are opposed to muscular pain?
I know your frustration, I also have been experiencing pain. Just like you have described for about 10 yrs and I am a mother of a 3 mnth old and two yr old and after each preganancy the pain got worse! I am 27 and I feel like a 70 yr old women. I'm sitting here at work putting a ball in my back to try to releive the pain. The only type of massage that eases my pain is deep penetrating massages that I usually do with a tennis ball. I recently lookded up "Trigger Points" which actually descibed so much of the pain I have been experiencing. That actually led me to read about TMJ dysfunction, which I actually have just had a cosultation for and I found out that me cracking my jaw and clenching my teeth since Iwas a child might have been the cause of all this pain. They told me that the TMJ might have led to a lot referred pain throughout my whole body.I don't know if this is going to completely fix me yet but I am praying. I'm going to get my TMJ corrected and also to do physical therapy with a Trigger point therapists and see how it works out. You should Google those things, I know how it feels to want to feel good for just one day to be able to play with yor kids!
My pain was related to a collapsed lung. I went to a chiropractor at first because I thought it was a pinched nerve or similar - after a couple months I had a chest x-ray for bronchitis when they realized the knots in my upper back/shoulder blade area that caused breathing to hurt actually was a collapsed lung.
i had the same problem with the knot in my left shoulder blade and as you all have described mine was like someone was stabbing me in the shoulder.but i knew what caused mine,i have tinnitus ringing of the ears.and as you all know ringing in the ears causes alot of stress on the body.i was exposed to an extremely deafening sound one night and i felt the pain in my shoulder afterward and by the next morning i was in tears getting out of bed.had to take 3 days off work and all doctors could do was give me muscle relaxers which helped a little.
I too had a horrible stabbing pain in between my shoulder blades along with a burning, numb tingling sensation along my spine( mostly on the right). I had an MRI and went to a very well known dr. I was told that my paraspinal muscles are degenerated. I need to do exercises to strengthen my paraspinal muscles and also recieve regular massages to help relieve the stress on the muscles because they were having spasms. Well the pain continued for years until one morning it wrapped all the way around my rib cage. I went to the ER and was told I needed to have my Gallbladder removed. They said it had been bad for years and couldn't believe I had no pain. I told them of my back pain and was told that the stabbing pain in between your shoulder blades is a sign of gallstones. That is the only symptom I ever had that something was wrong. So I no longer have the aching stabbing feeling but I do still have numbness and tingling along my spine if I stand in one place too long or have to carry my daughter for a long period of time, but I think if I actually did the exercises like I was supposed to it would get better. When I do them I can feel the strech and burn and it does make me feel better along with a massage. I couldn't afford to go get a professional one all the time so I purchased the homedics shiatsu massager and it helps relieve the muscle tension. It was a great investment. So next time you go to your dr. you might want to talk to them about getting some blood work done to check your gallbladder an liver. I had very high liver levels and the dr. thought the damage might not fix itself because it had been so bad for so long luckily it has been a year and everything is back to normal. Also I went to the ER the very first time I had the pain in my back and they told me it was my muscles, gave me muscle relaxers and sent me home. The next time I went in they told me the same thing but my mom insisted they check my gallbladder because someone told her the same thing I am telling you. If she had not done that they would have sent me home with muscle relaxers and no telling what might have happened. So don't be afraid to get checked even if they are telling you that is not what it is. Better safe than sorry!
Hello all, I am suprised that this is such a common problem, I am almost 30 and have been dealing with this pain for 10 years... I for a long time would just beg anyone and everyone to just massage me, or sometimes walk on my back... bad I know but when you have no insurance... you get desperate... last year I became pregnant and was covered by Medicade... but I lost the child but still had the insurance. I started with the Chiropractor, after the 4th visit I could barley move my left arm without tears comeing to my eyes, so I went to the ER... all they did was give me some motrin and a few vicoden and sent me home with a referal... I made an appointment it took me a month and a half to get in and when I showed up they told me they didnt except my insurance UGH! Soo no just being pissed off I tried to deal with the pain but couldnt handel it anymore, I called my PCP to ask for a referal and he told me to come in cause he does sports med also. we satrted with heat packs and the electo theripy, and naproxen... DID NOTHING FOR ME... then he added flexeral to the mix...STILL NOTHING... ok time for PHYSICAL THERIPY... 2 months 3 times a week... NOTHING, still inflamed, still spasing, still burning and stabing, and actually after I left eachtime I felt worse. Ok back to the Dr I go... time to go on something for nerve pain... 3 weeks and NO RELIEF... Im at my wits end with this, I just would like to have one day where Im not constantly hurting, Im sick of always trying to crack something, shifting my back and neck all day, anything to get a moment of relief. Honestly half the time Im doing it and not even realizeing it... I get funny looks from people... IM SOO FRUSTRATED WITH THIS...
Hi all, I need to add a "me too" to this thread. I have only been dealing with mine for the last 2 months (all Sept. and now Oct). The only difference with mine is that when I swallow food, my upper back has pain in this one area along my shoulder blade. (I have another thread somewhere on here regarding that). So of course I'm thinking something totally different is going on.
I have had so far, chest x-ray, EKG and recently a barium swallow (Upper GI) because of the pain in upper back when swallowing....However....I also started running around seeing massage therapist, chiropractors, etc. and also taking Flexeril, Ibuprofen, heat etc. and nothing helps. I am almost positive this is 100% muscoskeletal now that most of the serious stuff has been ruled out. I think the massage makes it worse, cause most of the therpists do not know deep tissue or trigger point massage. Also, having my neck and back adjusted makes it really bad..and I think he just aggravates the problem.
I PM'd a Physical Therapist online and he told me to have disc pathology done, which leads me to think that "he thinks" it is a herniated disc in my neck, which at this point makes sense. This all began with my neck doing this weird pop and then a sharp pain spasm in it. It's totally random, and even today I had another jolt just looking to the right. Funny how that started and now my upper back and shoulder blade kill me pretty much 24/7. I also get a extreme upper back (base of neck) muscle burning pain. I started doing these neck stretches and when I bend my head down and somewhat to the right, I can feel it go from my neck clear down into my shoulder blade where it hurts when I swallow.
It feels like I have either torn something, or it needs to heal in there. It's totally deep trap, or rhomboid area and into neck too.
I am a hairdresser so the chances of this healing any time soon is not happening because I work 5 days a week 8 hours a day with constant left arm motion in all different directions and holding a heavy blowdryer all day *(which could be my problem right there). I know that I probably need an MRI at this point. I am not wanting to go do this, because it's expensive even though I have insurance...I just would rather see if maybe I can fix it on my own. I plan on going to the gym and seeing about strengthening some muscles.
In the meantime, I feel all of your pain, and I know NOTHING works. The only thing that feels somewhat better is this cream I bought called Zostrix, very expensive over the counter. But once it wears off it's pain again.
Just thought I would throw my story in too. This pain is not fun.
Just had to throw my bit in here. I've suffered from these exact problems everyone is stating. Sleeping is absolutely miserable, and I can never sleep on my left side. The pain is like an extreme tightness directly on and below my left shoulder blade. Right side and all other areas of my back feel fine. This had lead to such anxiety at points that I went to the doctor for chest xrays, ekgs, etc. Heart is healthy and he tells me it may be stress related.
The most interesting thing about this condition is the effect alcohol has had on it. I'm a 22 year old college student and as such do a good bit of partying on the weekend. I've noticed lately that pain in my shoulder is substantially worse on Sundays Monday and Tuesdays following a weekend of drinking. The strange part is, it never feels at all a problem while drinking - strictly the day or two after. I'm currently sitting here knowing that if I were to have a few drinks my shoulder would not feel so tight anymore but the feeling in the morning would be just worse! It's absolutely maddening.
I really want to get to the bottom of this. It's so frustrating to have to turn down social events, etc because of how much I hate the pain I get after partying. No one else seems to understand this problem!
Hi there all, I feel your pain. I have had my pain for going on two(2) years now. It is a stabbing pain between the left scapula and the spine. It also radiates under the armpit, up the neck, down the left arm and around to the chest.
I too have had numerous xrays,ultrasounds etc but not an MRI. They cannot find anything wrong! Somedays the pain gets so bad it makes you so depressed and angry. Then when they start telling you perhaps it's all in the head...please give me a knife and I'll stab you in the back and see if it hurts-hahahaha.
Anyway, I go to the chiropractor once a month and have a deep tissue massage once a month. I have just started physiotherapy once a month also. My GP has me on a muscle relaxant and also a low dose antidepressant - don't think it does much. I have started to see an exercise physiologist to try and rebuild the use of the muscles also. I used to suffer from panic attacks and post natal depression. They are all telling me that they think this is my body's way of dealing with anxiety and stress, so I have started meditation as well. Hopefully I can get on top of this because some days it feels as though you are just stuck in a continual cycle...pain,depression - depression,pain. I am determined that I am going to win. I wish you all the best and lets rid ourselves of our pain. Go, go, go.
I have scoliosis, arthritis, fibromyalgia, degenerative disk disease- thoracic area, broken tailbone in 3 places, and a once broken back, from a bad car accident. I also was diagnosed with bilateral bone spurs at C4-5 as a result of a horse riding accident twenty years ago. During the past three months I have been plagued with new pain on the left side of my back from my neck to waist, it is worse over the shoulder blade area. I saw my doctor who thinks its related to my crocked spine, and things listed above. She sent me to a chiropractor, who I had already been seeing every two weeks. I see him once a week, and also have deep tissue massage while there, and do exercises formulated for my problems. The pain comes and goes, and seems to crop up when least expected. I can even be sitting watching TV in a regular chair and have the pain get so bad I cannot stand, walk or change position without help. I am also a RN and at a loss at to what else to do??? I’m also seeking SSDI, not able to work at all, and have a very limited income. Any suggestions would help. Thanks! Kandy
I have this burning left shoulder and neck pain for last 14 months been to my GP so many times had treatment, blood test, x-ray, still suffering from this pain specialy when I am sitting or driving it gets very bad don't know what to do next, had injection 3 weeks ago and it got worse been to see my GP today he has sent me for blood test and x-ray again.
I have had this same pain for about four years now and am 25 years old. I was a ballet dancer for most of my life and it started when I was in college and no longer dancing. I can feel the little knots poking out when I try and reach back in between my left shoulder blade and spine. It comes and goes but when it is here, it is really bad. If I lay flat on my back it feels better but I often think im going to have a heart attack ( I am a bit of a hypochondriach too) because the pain is all around the left side of my back and it goes through to the front. I saw some other people write the same thing. I just kind of try and ignore it but sometimes I get stressed out about it which probably makes it worse. I guess I'm going to buy a heating pad...
I have been experiencing the same thing for almost a year now. It is 4 am and I am up AGAIN. Sleeping is impossible. I feel like I am loosing my mind or my doctor is going to have me commited (NOT really but couldn't hurt) I have a burning aching pain across my upper shoulders, in my neck, down my shoulder blade and thru to the front of my chest. I also have an inflammed shoulder. All of this is on my left side so I to thought the worst. I have had Xrays, EKG about to do MRI this week. No one seems to know what the deal is. I don't see how people can believe someone could make up a pain this bad. Not to wish this on my worst enemy but if they had to deal with it for 1 week they would completely understand. WE ARE NOT CRAZY, WE JUST NEED SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE DESERVE REST ALSO.....
Bursitis? Tendonitis? Well, maybe somewhat related when you look these up.... I'm in same boat as many of you posting here Pain started 4 yrs ago in left shoulder area - I had the knot, burning pain, and the crunchy sound you hear when rolling your shoulders. I often said it felt like I had a bullet in there -- just burning away at the tissue. I figured it was actually just from stress - especially ignited by housework and career work --computer work was the absolute worst thing for it! The only thing to relieve the pain a little was by introducing more pain by having an elbow or somehing to get in there and apply major pressure. I believe that Mike1105 probably has a good target on what migt initially provoke the issue -(the posture thing) along with any previous injury to neck but curing it isn't necessarily as easy as described. I've tried everything. My most reliable doctor calls it myofascial pain syndrome; however, a specialist he referred me to now insists it's fibromyalgia. If you notice these tender points starting to spread to other parts of the body in the next few years == go to a fibro specialist to see if this might be your problem. They'll help teach you coping skills to live with the pain as much as possible...and give pointers on things that might help flare ups. My doctor has fibro and said his trouble spot was always the shoulder too. Something to look into....as I know alot of us just want to figure it out.
it is helpful to just read all you have said as now i know i am not alone. i identify with most of your symptoms. now think about it i have had this pain on and off for years. it was never completely gone. good to know that not many dr. or chiropractor can give you 100% as i have just tried couple and my instinct tells me they are not the answer. i sew quite a bit and i notice when i doing it in a length of time it got worse. so the head forward too much pulling the musle sounded pretty much on target. i do yuga and exercise 20 minutes a day everyday for years, you'd think such pain shouldn't happen to me----but it does---i continue to do my routine exercise everyday but wonder if it will make the already stressed tissure and musle more stressful. i guess i should be more grateful to be able to do all this while still in the "left shoulder pain club". i am going to get it healed relying on my instinct. i will pay more attention from now on as to what makes it better or worse. and i will check back with you guys once i find some relieve.
my left shoulder is hurting under and around the shoulder blade.,under left arm through chest and down left arm. i have been hurting for about 2years,and it has gotton worst, when i get a pain shot in it for a hour or 3 it hurts worst than ever. I donnot know who to go to or what to do, i get so tired of saying i am in pain. my husband gets so mad if i even mention, i am hurting, .i get in a corner and pray and hurt and cry. i am so miserable. I donot have a clue. they say it could be degenerate disease or bulging dist or on andon. i hurt i mean hurt. meds make my stomach bleed. so i cannot take much. please help
I had the same pain for 4 years and only did I get it looked at 2 years ago. I went to Ortho who said it was a herniated disk and pumped me full of pain killers and PT. Then I went to the Chiropractor for about 3 months, he would do traction and an adjuustment, which would relieve pain for about 5 min. Finally I asked for a referral to the Pain Clinic, and within a 1/2 hour he had me diagnosed. Told me to stop taking pain killers, that nothing could be worse. Put me on muscle relaxers and Lidoderm patches and Lunesta for my sleep issues. Then, he sent me to PT for Myofascial Release. Been going for 2 1/2 months and I'm at about 95% pain free. If you have not tried it, please do before Dr's try unneccessary surgery!!!
I could not stay out of this !! Left shoulder blade/spine been painful for years atleast three. I tried everything!!! accupuncture/chiro/TENS/massage. Finally got MRI on cervical spine I have problems at C5 /C6 . but apparently not too bad!!!
My neck/shoulders are most painful these days. I think I hunch my shoulders too much it is the body's natural response to protect the neck
I feel the neck area is responsible for a great deal of upper back pain.
I always tell everyone about Epsom salts since I found it very good for relaxing my muscles. Tea-cup full in a hot bath
I have a severe pain in my under right shoulder blade, infact it is excrutiating at the moment. Went to the Doctor this morning and he said it was muscular .. If i turn my head left as in traffic when driving the pain is terrible in my under right shoulder .. I cant even raise my arm without the pain under my shoulder blade and under arm, i thought it was gaul stones, doc said that the symptoms i have are mechanical....Doctor has perscribed semi mild pain killers .. I did ask why is it the it still hurts when im doing nothing, as i thought that muscular pain subsided with rest ??? can u enlighten me im in sheer agony.
Wow! I am both relieved and saddened by everyone's testimonies. I too am suffering from from cervical spine pain and shoulder pain on both sides. It is terribly painful, especially in the morning, in the car, watching tv., etc. You get the point. I am so tired of popping pills. Often times than not, I feel like a drug addict. Well, technically speaking, I am. My doctors have me on muscle relaxers (Baclofen), pain meds (hyrocodone), and anti-inflamm's (ibuprofren 800mg). Wow, right? I went from drinking water for a headache to this. Pretty depressing. But, I refuse to let this thing beat me. So, with that said, I think I will try the Myofascial Release swndog92 spoke of. Also, I think I'm going to stop taking the pacifiers. (ibuprofren and hydrocodone) and stick with the muscle relaxer and capsacian cream coupled with strengthening exercises and stress reduction techniques. My prayers are with all of you as pain can be very debilitating. Stay strong and do whatever you can to rid you life of any and ALL stress factors. STRESS KILLS! Lastly, do what ever you can to focus on all the positive things in your life and by all means don't forget to LAUGH and get those endorphins flowin. The Body's own natural pain killers.
I'm so glad to have ran across this forum. I have that same knawing pain between the left shoulder blade and spine. It's exhausting! I have been to the ER, had a nuclear stress test, EKG's, and CT Angio, and everyone is confident it is not my heart. I am being treated for anxiety because my symptoms have come out on many physical ways. I still have no answer for the near the left should blade area, but am hopeful with all of the techniques listed like posture and such will relieve it! Though I am sorry you all are having difficulties, I am blessed to have found your postings. Thank you
Hello all! Since I last posted, I have continued to take my Enbrel for my RA. I am suppose to take it once a week. However, I had an almost near death experience and have decided to take it on an as needed basis. Through journaling my pain and pain management, I have noticed when it's time for me to take the Enbrel injections the pain in my back and neck is lessened. I have not taken my Enbrel for the past 5wks and guess what... zero pain in my back and the pain in my neck is almost non existent. Wow...right? Also when I spoke with my mother who has diabetes, we found that she had not had debilitating back pains prior to taking insulin injections. Just something to think about. I notified Enbrel and my doctor of my findings and they are astonished. I guess it's true what they say... you must be your own advocate! I will continue to say a prayer for all of you who are suffering from pain. I hope this helps
I too have been suffering from the same issues, and had felt it was due to my low back disc herniation. Walking crooked favoring my right leg ect. The muscles at the top of both shoulders are very tight, and I have pain and knots on both sides of my spine near and under my shoulder blades.Sometimes the pain is so bad it hurts to breath, as if a knife has gone through my back to the front of my chest. Years ago a MRI showed I had Tarlov cysts, no doctor every really told me what those are. Dos anyone one else with the shoulder blade muscle pain have these tarlov cysts? Do yall think that could be the cause of this type of pain?
Hi everyone. I am so happy that I found this forum. Like others here, I have had the same type of excruciating pain under my left shoulder blade that radiates through to my breast bone for 8 years now after experiencing a trauma to my left arm. Unfortunately, I also sustained blood clots and pulmonary embolisms at the same time, that the doctors have been so focused on that. They originally thought my pain was pleurisy due to a collapsed left lung. I, like others here, have had numerous test that show nothing. Recently, I got lucky enough to find a compassionate PCP and just today we discussed and agreed on the same treatment that swndog92 is receiving. That puts me in great spirits that maybe I will eventually be pain free. Good luck to everyone out there in receiving the correct diagnosis and treatment. Make your voice be heard. Just remember, any doctor that dismisses, diminishes, or belittles a patients symptoms is not worth the waste of time nor money.
Wow, you can add me too. The tingling, stabbing and itching which I know is a knot behind my shoulder blade drives me nuts. When I get a massage, I am pain free for a bit, but then it just creeps back. One thing a massage therapist told me to do was stand straight with feet slightly apart, put your arms to the side and when you squeeze your arms back in front of you, keep the shoulder blades back. So you are actually just moving your rotator cuffs back to get your arms in place and your shoulder blades stay stationary. That does alleviate a lot of tension.. Fort hose who can afford it on a monthly basis, Massage Envy is having a special $39 for your first 55 minute massage, and if you join the membership, I think it's $49 for a one hour massage each month, and you can also role them over if you miss one in a month
i too have this problem.....most of the pain is on the right side ....i constantly feel like i need stretched out.....im always twisting and bending in all differant ways to try and get some relief...i rotate my shoulder blades as to try and pinch the area but still nothing helps...its a constant achy feeling....some days get so bad i just want to scream....but i have been getting some help from my doctor....i take celebrex and that really helps with the pain i highly reccommend it....and i also have been getting pain injections in that area....i got 6 shots in the little muscle inbetween the shoulderblade and spine 3 shots on both sides....and they are really helping me......so you all should check around to find a doctor that is wiling to go the extra mile to help you....i dont have insurance....but i qualify for assistance through my hospital......thankgod......
I've also had right shoulder blade muscle pain I've eventually overcome.
As a previous post stated, posture is paramount to preventing pain. Stand in front of a mirror (front and side profile) and assess your posture. Chances are your shoulders are forward and your neck and head are also forward. Consciously adjust your posture so that the weight of your head is supported by your spine. Pull your shoulders back slightly and puff out your chest a little. Remember this position and try to maintain it during your day.
I've discovered 3 stretches that reach those deep tissues:
1) Shrug your shoulders to your ears. Now, roll your shoulders back until your shoulder blades are flexed, really puff out your chest (the tighter the flex, the better the stretch). Depending on how chronic this has been, you might have trouble breathing. Now slowly roll your head back, then slowly look to the wall your right shoulder (or whichever is sore) is pointing to. Hold for several seconds.
2) Hang from bars with overhand grip, keep head forward and slowly flex the blades as tight as you can. Hold there for as long as comfortable. Repeat several times. Try moving hands further and further apart. Do not attempt unless you are physically fit, or have someone properly spot you.
3) Lie on your back (on the floor). Support your head with a pillow. Arch your lower back, so that butt, upper back and head are the only points touching floor from upper body. Put arms in front of body. Slowly shift weight so that only head and butt are touching floor. Hold for as long as comfortable. Try tilting head slightly up for a slightly different stretch.
i promise that this helps. there is a muscle blocking the muscle that hurts so you can only get to it by holding your left arm straight. stand against a wall of lay on the floor and put a tennis ball between you and the wall/floor. hold your arm above your head and put as much pressure on your muscle as you can stand and roll the ball in little circles. I was so relieved when i found this! i had this kink for 9 months!
I also have a pain between my right shoulder blade and my spine. the knot and all that as well. But my pain will also travel up my back to the right temple of my head. This only happens after I do any push ups or bench press work out. I have been to the bone doc and he said just what a previous poster stated. It was from my head being forward. He thought he would correct is with adjustments but he could only give me temp. relief. I think the posture would be best as well it makes a lot of since.
The only pause I have is my pain started after I picked up a weight from the rack and felt a pop in my spine right between by shoulder blades. Now if the pain gets to bad I can lay on the floor and cross my arms over my body so that my elbows are lined up with each other, My wife then applies pressure to my chest by pressing on my elbows and my back pops in the same place and the pain goes away. The knot is not as intense either. This leads me to think it could be a slipped or ruptured disc in my back. I can also lean my head to the left and kind of pick up on my right shoulder and I get a couple of pops in the same area that keeps the pain at bay, but no working out. Will I ever be able to have any kind upper body physical activity? Or has anyone ever experienced this because of a spine problem (ex. Ruptured disc or herniated disc.)
For those who have pain on the Left side under your shoulder blade or between the shoulder blade and spine - you may also want to check with a gastroenterologist. I have had a similar pain for several years, and during evaluation for another issue, it was discovered that I have a hiatal hernia (a hernia at the sphincter at the top of my stomach). This results in some acid reflux, but also in pain in my back, right by my left shoulder blade. I also go to a chiropractor, who has significantly helped with stress and posture-related muscular pains, but she is not able to fix the shoulder blade pain because it is not musculo-skeletal. The pain has gotten worse now that I am pregnant and have more reflux and stomach agitation. I would suggest having an endoscopy if your insurance will allow it.
I feel happy I am not the only one out there. I have be suffering for 14 years. I have has 2 MRI and other x-ray. They only found tendonitis. I have tried physical therapy to pills to chiroprator to a orthopedic dr. I am of mother of 5 kids under the age of 10. I specially have a hard time with just doing the daily chore of washing dishes or folding clothes my arm will go numb. Need help, don't want to be a dopped up mom.
I'm 19 and I've had this problem for more than 9 years..
I'm not stressed and my posture is fine.
My dad and my grandma both have the same problem, they both have a slipped disc, but i don't know if I have that because I am so young.
everytime i work, clean, use the computer.. whatever it hurts like mad.
My right shoulder becomes weak and the right side of my spine on my neck gets a really sharp pain. Then it starts to hurt all down my whole back. Occasionally I'll wake up with my right arm very numb, sometimes even my left arm.
I can barely move my neck. I got an x-ray done but they said they didn't see anything [arthritis] and that it was just inflamed and I need physical therapy, so i tried it and it didn't seem to help. I think I need to get an MRI just to make sure I have nothing serious.
As I get older it seems to be getting worse. I feel like I'm too young for aches and pains, something has to give.
I read all the post..I didn't think I'd make it through..pn getting stronger. Just wanted to ad some things. I thank all of u that mentioned posture. I truly believe that it makes a difference if we'd just stand up straight. I have failed in that catagory. I tend to protect my back and it is making things worse. I just got back from seeing a new Neuro and he found...which is strange and I will see if anyone hear can tell me anything @ it. I had normal EMG's 2 yrs. ago and this time he found me to have carpel tunnel in both hands...this can't be because I haven't worked since '04. How can this be? Does anyone have a clue. He said that my EMG of legs were fine...well my right foot just at the top and the last two toes are completely numb and going on a month strong. What up w/that? Tell me if that makes sense. I was hit in my Thoracic area w/an ESI..it hit me so hard I jumped like a jumping bean on the table and my head immediately arose from out of that hole and I asked..."What happened?"..."WHat was that?" The dr. told me after he studdered that it was friction..WHat is that? Does anyone know or has anyone heard of it? Well, since then..3yrs ago Dec. my hands and feet have been numb. I have so much pain in my back and I want to mention a few posts that helped me...Mel12000..had this in commen w/me the bones in my right shoulder does scrape and u can hear bones crunching, but no probs have been found..hmmmm..and sawy I forgot to put down who mentioned the Epsom salts...I will give it a try..hmmmmm in a hot bath..that does sound good to me, but can't stay long...wearing Fentanyl patch(50mcg) and u know u can't enjoy that nice long bath...I loved the one @ laughing and how it releases endorphines..it does and we all need to do that...thanx to jake12474,he reminded me of how I used to get these Novacaine Steroid Injections that would give me a good month or two of relief...try it, it works...at least it did for me...And really a good thank u goes out to mk79 for the shoulder shrugs...I think I at least can do that for my back and posture probs,I find myself burning in the middle of my back if I stand too long and find myself leaning against a wall for relief and it works ...temp....but thank u to all for helping me assess all of this. This is one of the best forums/threads I've found on all of my pain..Mostly in shoulders/neck/back/arms....well,it is almost everywhere, but I have to be totally honest when I say that the Lord has taken at least half of my pain away...it's true..when I rededicated and am living right for HIM, I can truly say that I have felt better.U wouldn't want me to list all of what they have dx me/with, but I will say I have hope and that is so important...keep the faith and I will definately keep all of u in my prayers...GOD BLESS...K
Has anyone tried a posture back support brace? I am going to buy one because right now I have two sports bras on and feel a little relief. One on the proper way and the other backwards. I'm just doing this until i can buy a brace within a day or two at a medical supply store. I believe my pain has to do a lot from having bad posture. I've tried a lot of stuff too and one thing that did help was when the Physical Therapist taped my shoulder towards my spine, like athletes do. This isn't a long term remedy but it is something that could help to ease pain if you have a special event to attend and don't want to be medicated. I was told to keep the tape on no longer then 2 days but it felt so good I would keep it on for a week.
I just got back from seeing a Main Management Dr. and he said a back brace won't make a difference. He is going to give me trigger point shots in the muscle near my shoulder blade a week from today. He also gave me a prescription for Celebrex and Robaxin. He said to keep taking the hydrocodene if needed. I have been taking a 1/2 tablet of the Hydrocodene every 4 hours. I will keep you all posted on how the meds and shots work. I do not like taking meds so I am hoping the shots take care of the pain. He thinks the pain has something to do with my scoliosis (curved spine) and possible beginning of arthritis. I am 43 years old and have always been in good shape. I still plan on getting me a back brace to help my posture anyway. I have noticed that when I eat a red apple everyday I rarely get a cold or flu. This pain has really taught me to SLOW down and stop trying to get so much done in so little time. I definitely do have more compassion for those who have had back pain for years.
Wow - lot of pain out there!!
Lots of therapies help to reduce the pain but what CAUSED it?? You need to consult a chiropractor who knows about rehabilitation assessments - they will look at how you do things - how you use your shoulders HOW your muscles work. If muscles are not balanced then the joints can become overloaded and pain results - don't forget that 53% of the stability of the shoulder and upper back depends on the core area......it's not just about treating the pain but about identifying the cause - only then do you get lasting relief.
I feel your pain... literally. I have had this same problem off and on for years and I have SOMETHING THAT HELPS...
I take a pair of socks rolled up tight to make a ball, place it on the floor, and lay down on it so the socks are right where the pain is. Then I place my left hand on my right should and my right hand on my left shoulder (like mummy style but with your elbows sticking up in the air), bend my knees so my feet are on the floor and proceed to roll on the socks. It's like you're going to roll over onto your bad side but you do it in a rocking motion. Move around so you're massaging the whole shoulder blade up and down on the socks. When you feel you're on an area really tight, stay still on it for a few moments and breathe through the pain. You'll hear things shifting and moving around a little, but that's a good thing. Slowly and gently get up being careful not to undo the work you just did. You should feel some relief immediately. You can repeat several times a day if need be.
I hope the helps you as it does me. It doesn't always take all the pain away, but it should relieve it some.
My problems is most likely due to my curved spine and possible arthritis at age 43. I have been taking "Celebrex" for 1 week (one pill before bed) I started feeling relief the 3rd morning after taking it 3 nights in a row. It felt so good to be without pain after suffering since April. I did get 3 trigger point cortison shots and right now I am sore from it but I will let you know how I feel in a week. I was told to take Celebrex only as needed. I had met an 80 year old man in the Dr's office who also gets the shots and has been taking Celebrex for 20 years without any trouble. He looked so great, I was surprised he was 80. I am hoping I do not need celebrex or the shots long term but living life in constant pain is not an option for me either. It certainly has been affecting my loved ones around me which I owe a lot of hugs and kisses.
After reading all these posts I can relate in a sense. 1 year ago this month I was laying in bed went to roll over and stretched just a little bit and heard a pop in my left shoulder blade area, with immediate sharp pain, tingling and I could barely move my neck. I went to the ER and all they did was give me hydros (which I cannot take) a muscle relaxer (which I cannot take) and a neck brace. I have suffered ever since with stiffness and pain and when I feel it getting too bad I will go to the chiro and it seems to help, but then a few months later it will come back. I know for a fact that this is all stress induced, with of course something else going on. I am getting sick and tired of this though, I have a 3 year old and a 1 month old baby and a husband who works on the road, so for me this is so painful but I know I am probably making it worse by having to do 100% of the work around the house all the time.
I have been up for the past 2 hours now after rolling over in bed and stretching a little and sure enough my shoulder popped again, I am in so much pain right now, I can't sit, stand, lay or anything, and of course its a Saturday so I can't go to my chiro or my doctor and I'm not going to the ER for the fact that they will probably give me some sort of pain killer that I cant take!! I don't know what to do anymore either, this is miserable and NOT FAIR at the age of 24. I am going to make an appointment with my Dr and talk to him about some of this stuff that I have read, and maybe I need an x-ray or something to see if there is a bigger problem. I am so glad like all of you are as well that I'm not alone on this, which I felt like I always was.
It's horrible when no can figure out your problem. I've had problems for years and finally have found relief. You don't need western medicine to solve it either. This problem needs maintenance because it will return over and over, for life. I have an answer for some if not all of you. Question is, can you handle this type of therapy?
Your muscles are in knots. You need deep tissue, trigger point massage therapy, by someone well trained. Plain and simple. Other things you can do is heat in hot-tubs, hot "socks" microwaveable rice socks (Walgreens sells) them or hot-stone therapy. The popping sounds are because your muscles/connective tissues have become to tight/hard/bound up that they are not moving freely like they should. They will also block proper blood flow and cause constant tiredness. Don't ignore the problem because the tightness will migrate furthur and furthur into other nearby tissues turning you into a hunchback old lady.
Sharp muscle knots in between my shoulder blade and spine occur almost on a regular basis for me. It happens when I'm under alot of pressure/stress or may have slept wrong? It's a great thing my best friend is a DPT (Doctor of Physical Therapy). One night, I asked him what a GOLF BALL was doing on his floor, he doesn't even play golf. His response, "to get rid of the tight muscle knots I have in my back." Amazed! Now wheneever I have a knot in my back (like I do now) all I do is roll on a golf ball and it INSTANTLY removes the knot on my back. I LOVE IT!!! Having knots in your back is a huge burden. Can't comfortably move on with life. I hope this helps you all!
I'm a masseuse who has been in private practice for 22 years and I know your problem well - it's common and I know the pain can be excruciating. First let me explain what's going on, where, and what you can do to relieve the pain. It's really quite simple. What you have is called an active trigger point. The reason it's difficult to get at is because it's located in the serratus posterior superior muscle and the trigger point is under the shoulder blade. If you have a masseuse work on this problem you must lay on your side so your arm hangs forward so your scapula (shoulder blade) moves out of the way. You can relieve the pain yourself by laying on a tennis or golf ball while you lay on your back on the floor with your knees bent. Your arm must be positioned across your chest so your shoulder blade moves out of the way. Place the balls underneath the sore spot and let your body weigh add the pressure. For an excellent description and illustration of the problem turn to page 900 in the book Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction. The Trigger Point Manual. Volume 1. by Travell & Simons. Janet Travell was John F, Kennedy's doctor. If this explanation is not clear please let me know so I can help you.
You make a good point. When severe, I start by placing my finger tip lightly on the active trigger point. I can feel the electrical stimulation under my finger and it slows down. By the end of the session I've been working vigorously to release the tension. Going to someone who knows what they're doing and who feels confident in their ability to help you can go a long way. Good luck!
I need to comment on this and thank you, THANK YOU PPNH and the others who noted how to RELIEVE this same exact pain I have been dealing with off and on for appx. a year. It has reached a point where I didn't know how to cope with the consistent pain and I was starting to get depressed that the pain would continue for the rest of my life. I'm a mother of two small children and it was getting difficult just to do my daily routines and to play with them with the constant pain in my shoulder.
Please, anyone who has this, please try what PPNH says three posts above mine. There are a couple others on this thread who mentioned the same excercise. Thank you so much,, I wish I could give you a big hug and kiss. The pain is gone today for the first time in weeks. I'm so happy.
Slouching is normal for homo sapiens but we must try to avoid this posture as it puts the trigger points on a painful stretch and aggravates them. No one really knows why trigger points become activated but being cold, tired, bad posture and stress are all contributing factors. Active trigger points can occur in anyone regardless of their level of fitness. It's just a sorry fact of life.
An excellent preventive measure is to stretch the pectorals (chest muscles) as they are antagonists which means they work in opposition to the upper back muscles. If they are out of sync one is too tight (front) and the other too loose (back) you're going to have a problem. To correct this one must balance the muscle tension.
There are two effective stretches that I recommend that are easy to do. One is called the 'in doorway stretch'. In this position your body falls forward while you hold on to the frame. Because the pectoralis muscles are fan shaped you must do this at three levels. First your hands are positioned at shoulder height and then you gradually place them higher and higher again. Stand on the tip of either your left or right toe and bend the other knee and keep it all flexible and loose as you look and 'fall' forward. Don't forget to breath and your jaw should be relaxed.
The second stretch is done while laying down on your side with your knees bent. Stretch your straight arm out behind you and look in that direction too. Remember the idea is to open your chest.These preventive measures are necessary if one wants to avoid this debilitating pain altogether.
Since you're noticing how you walk here is a reminder to help keep the body (shoulders) aligned. Swing your arms properly. I notice people swinging their arms across in front of their body and on the rarer occasion behind them. Arms should be swung along side your body in stride with your step. Think soldier.
It's normal to feel sore after going in deep and the self-massage is not illustrated in the book.
I suggest that when you want to work on a specific trigger point you focus on locating the right spot and the strength of the pressure you want to apply. Also, remember to breath - I pant - and the deeper I go the harder I pant. Experiment with the position of your arm(s) just remember that this trigger point is under your shoulder blade so the blade needs to move away from the midline (center) of your body. Start by applying gentle pressure.
To give yourself a general massage place the two tennis balls - one on each side of your spine - and roll them along the length of your back using your feet, knees bent, to push yourself along. Lace your fingers behind your head and point your elbows up. Let me know if you have any questions.
I read something years ago that helped me tremendously and may explain, in part, why I've never have problems with muscle tension. Now, what I'm going to write isn't completely true as we all know it takes the whole to make a system function optimally but I love the simplicity. Imagine a standing skeletal body - the bones are holding it up. When you're in a bad posture the muscles are doing the job instead of the bones, this takes energy and it can become painful. I focus on keeping my spine straight and letting the bones do the work. I hope this is helpful.
So I've had this pain for a couple days now. I feel for all of you because it is so defeating and excruciating. I am pain free for the first time in two days and this is what i did. It's just a combination of two posts i found here. Super hot shower focused on the area. Bring a tennis ball in the shower with you and get it between the sore spot and the wall of the shower. Roll it around using your body weight lean for pressure. Take time off with the ball but keep the hot water pounding down. I worked the knot somehow from underneath my shoulder blade up closer to my traps (shoulder tops). I also did some circles with my head while under the heat and with the ball rolling around. Try it out. I really hope this helps some of you. oh and dont forget to cross your arms to get the shoulder blades out of the way...it did not work until i did this. took me about 10 minutes to feel a heck of a lot better.
The pain is excruciating because the trigger point is between two bones - the ribs and the shoulder blade. The cause is most likely due to overloading the muscle. I read a research study that showed that people who have chronic problems with activated trigger points are deficient in B12 and folate (folic acid). Paradoxical breathing doesn't help either.
God Bless you all. Today is the first day in 6 months that I do not have this horrible shoulder pain. I spent 10 minutes in the shower with the tennis ball and IT REALLY WORKS. I stood in the shower (see johnnyb14's instructions) and leaned my head against the wall first before letting my body lean into the ball. I didn't think it would work but I was so desperate that I tried it last night and today I feel wonderful. I have lost all faith in Dr's and medicines because I tried everything and spent a lot of money. The lesson I have learned is to SLOW DOWN and appreciate the little things in life. I prayer for all of your healing.
Yes, go to the doctor and get yourself checked out if you're concerned about your heart and please let me know how it goes. In the meantime rest assured that what you're experiencing in the chest is what's called referred pain. When severe, people also feel pain down their arm and into the little finger. Such is the nature of active trigger points. Good luck!
I'm so glad you're feeling better. The treatment really was quite simple wasn't it and Smokeypokey you got creative and used hot water. I use a wet face cloth and a (water proof) heating pad. Moist heat is the most penetrating.
I got injured at work, a gentleman twisted my forearm & pulled me down towards him..of course I freaked & pulled away. This has caused SO MANY problems. The doctors all told me he just pulled all the muscles in my chest & back. I have had surgery on my shoulder (or rotator) this didn't fix anything. I have a giant softball size lump that is right there with my neck & shoulder. It burns, stings, goes numb, spasms, cramps , & just plain hurts like heck! I have been sent to several bine & joint doctors & they say my bones are fine. I have been sent for 2 EMG's in which 1 came back mild neuropathy of the ulnar & the other was fine I guess. I went to my PCP & he said it wasn't the trapesius muscle, that there was something underneath it causing the problems. I have been put on antinflamitories, pills, creams & patches & nothing has helped it. I don't know what to do anymore. I have been off work for a year come the 12th of December & I'm goin crazy! If anyone knows what this is can you help me please! I have done Physical therapy & everyone of my doctors & therapists say not to go to the chiropractor because it will do more damage.
Mike1105 had the answer. I had the same pains (sharp knot pain between shoulder blade and spine which is aggravated when I tilt my head forward) on the right side for about a month. Nothing would help. Changing my posture and head position along with the tennis ball trick on the trigger point made all the difference. I dont know why my posture was off after 40 years, probably stress related. Thanks for posting.
A gentlemen? Surely you jest! I'm sorry you're having such a difficult time aliyah217. What exactly burns, stings, goes numb, spasms, cramps? Please be specific. Your softball size lump does it feel hard to the touch or soft and is it always there and is it always the same size? Please provide as much information about your symptoms as possible and I'll try to help you. Also what is a PCP?
Yes, Mike you're definitely onto something when you mentioned the scalene muscles because these muscles work synergistically with the serratus posterior superior muscle (the muscle responsible for the under the shoulder blade trigger point).
Because these muscles work as a functional unit often times if you have a active trigger point in one muscle it will be in the other. The intercostal, levator costae muscles are also a part of this muscle group that aid in inhalation.
Rotating your head fully to the right (or left) and dipping your chin into your clavicle (collar bone) is how one tests to see if the scalene muscles are tight - it is also how you stretch them out. Coughing vigorously can cause these muscle in your neck to develop trigger points as can pulling, lifting and tugging. Correcting paradoxical breathing is essential.
I've had the same pain in my right shoulder since last July and NO painkillers (including morphine) help. I went to a chiropracter who got the pain down to about 75% in the first couple of sessions but since then no improvement. She told me to never use heat but to use ice packs which do give relief for about an hour.
I'll try the tennis ball treatment tonight and let you know the results.
Thank you. Remember that the active trigger point is underneath the shoulder blade so in order to access it you must move your arm across the front of your chest so the blade moves away from the midline of the body.
As for heat versus cold. Ice reduces swelling and is best used as soon as an injury occurs. Heat is used when there is no inflammation or swelling - it stimulates blood flow and helps relax tight muscles or muscle spasms. Good luck!
I have been suffering from this for the past few years. My pain starts in a knot in between my shoulder blades and goes through to my chest. Sometimes it even hurts to swallow or breathe. But I have been able to find something that seems to clear it up. When I feel the pain coming on I start taking Claritin (the allergy medicine). I know it may sound weird but I think it may be related to sinuses. It takes a few days days but the pain starts to subside after taking the Claritin. I hope this helps.
It seems to me like you may have a couple of things going on that are not related.
If it hurts to swallow and breath and if you have nasal congestion that is helped by taking Claritin it sounds like you're suffering from an allergic reaction to something. Please go to your doctor for an evaluation. In the meantime look up the definition of anaphylaxis - this is to be taken seriously.
The pain you experience from the knot in your shoulder blades that goes through to your heart sounds like an active trigger point.
Hello all, my pain is similar to all the above but started after a night out dancing, woke up and couldn't move out of bed (although no pain whenever the "injury" occured).
Mine is a deep dull pain within the muscular area of my left shoulder blade which knots in between my shoulder blade and my spine. When i'm nervous or put under any kind of pressue, socially or at work the pain in the shoulder worsens, travells to my back (if not there already) and then progressively travels in a tingling sensation to my neck. The final stage in the worst case scenario will be my neck actually trembling; i'm not aware that anyone notices but it feels like my muscles in my neck are spasming and my heads about to fall off! Its had a pretty bad affect on my life, depression and quite withdrawn. I used to go out frequently but i'm not the same happy go lucky joker i used to be, my freinds have noticed but it's hard to be in a good mood when in perpetual pain. What makes it worse; stress is the biggy but also coffee, smoking (i used to smoke allot of cannibus before but this makes it really, really bad stragely) and basically being under pressure.
I've had it for say 6 years now; ocassionaly there will be periods where the pain is barely there but most often its atleast a 7/10. Suffice to say its killing now hence me reading this (very helpful and reassuring (thk you all)) web page,
The tennis ball trick works for me but only for 10 mins. I've become an expert at manipulating my back and shoulder to "crunch" the pain away but this again is only a 10 min solution ,,, no chance of getting a tennis ball out during a client meeting when ur under pressure !
I'ev tried all the above but haven't tried chinnese medicine. Alcohol helps but no medication does.
Anyway, there's my winge, thanks to all for your posts, if anyone has exactly the same symptons as me (particularly the final "neck" stage explained above) i'd be pleased to hear.
I'm sorry to hear you're having such a tough time Jcq. I wish you could come for a session.
You describe your pain as "a deep dull pain within the muscular area of my left shoulder blade which knots in between my shoulder blade and my spine... the pain in the shoulder worsens, travells to my back (if not there already) and then progressively travels in a tingling sensation to my neck.
What you have developed Jcq is what's called a satellite trigger point and associated trigger points.
The scalene muscles in your neck work synergistically with the serratus posterior superior muscles which are responsible for the deep dull pain you feel in the shoulder blade. The knots you feel between your shoulder blade and along your spine are associated trigger points.
The tennis ball trick works for only for 10 minutes because you are not targeting all the active trigger points. The rhomboids, iliocostalis. longissimus thoracis and multifidus muscles all have to be worked along with the scalene muscles in your neck.
I suggest you read back to November 30 and read what jonnyb419 did to help himself get rid of multiple trigger points.
OK... I have read every single post here and I too can relate. I have had extreme pain in my left shoulder for several years. It used to only be when I washed the car so I dismissed it but about two years ago I flared up and has not gone away. I have had 4 CT scans of the cervical spine, 3 MRI's (with and without contrast) of the cervical spine and 2 MRI's of the brain. I had a neurosurgeon just yesterday, tell me that he did not believe that the burning/tearing pain I feel in my left shoulder that goes up my neck (causing severe headaches) and travels down my left arm (causing it to ache and sometimes go numb) is a structural problem.. He has referred me to an orthopedic surgeon and a neurologist. He said that he did believe that it was real, but just did not know what was causing it. I am 35yrs old and am going crazy! Not literally, but sometimes it feels that way. I have seen massage therapists, chiropractors, and all the home remedies but nothing helps. I will let you all know what the next two doctors say when and if they can figure it out.
I must say that we have something in commen. I have had MRI's and CT scans(with and without contrast as well) and nothing is yet to be dx that can be done or even said that justifies what I am going thru either. I suffer on a daily basis and am at my wits end. I went yesterday to a Neurologist(NL) and he couldn't give me any basis for my pain either. He said I had Migraine the first visit that I had, but I call him back after he had changed my meds and told him that I was glad that he took me off the Lyrica for it was only making turn into a giant blimp, but it has to be something more than that. I am in too much pain and my muscle are just disapearing. I have places in my legs that are sunken in where the muscle is just gone. It hurt while it was happening too. I am trying to get to the bottom of what is causing my pain, the root of it. I don't just want to take med to ease it. I want to try and get it repaired because I hope I have a long life before me and don't want to suffer the rest of it.
I know how you feel when you say that it is driving you crazy. I feel the same way. It takes over all of time and effort just to get thru the day. I can't seem to do anything or I pay for it. I try to do this and that when I have a good day and it is so hard to push myself to get thru it, but it has to get done.
Yesterday, he did want me to see an Orhopedist too and get a sleep study done.I guess it wouldn't hurt since as you see I don't sleep. IT is 5:46am here and I have been up since 4:00. I do good to get 4 hrs. at a time. By the way, my doc(NL) seemed to think that a lot of my problem was stress related...hmmm!!! , but I am just frustrated because I seem not to be getting anywhere. I had an ACD & F spinal diskectomy ' in '06 and ever since then have suffered worse. I had to get ESI's(Epidural Spinal Injections) just to try to ease the pain I had in my right arm, neck and shoulder, but I wouldn't advise it because I was hit by the needle by the third one I had. I literally jumped on the table and raised my head to ask the doc what happened. He said, "Friction"...I don't know. I really think with all of my heart he has caused me to have a SCI(Spinal Cord Injury) and I am no doc, but I am not stupid either. It is just that things went crazy after that. All of my pain was just in the upper limbs b4 and after that my legs and feet got unbearable to live with and the pain went thru the roof!! I got to where my feet felt like risons and I couldn't walk. I forgot to mention that right after he hit something and I jumped, he asked me to sit up real fast and asked me if I had heavy breathing or were my ears ringing. I said no, but my hands and feet are completely numb. I have to tell you that to this day they still are. The procedure was done a yr. after my surgery just to relieve my shoulder, arm and neck pain and wound up with soooo much more pain. I just wouldn't advise it to anyone to do those. It is too much of a risk to me anyway.I wouldn't advise a Chiro either. Especially if you could have a problem in your Cervical area.
I sure hope you the best and if anyone out there has any ideas that can help either one of us...please do. We are so tired of the agony that each day can bring us. Life seems to be passing us by. I have two young boys that would love their mom back again..the way she once was..fun. I would love to be that girl again too.
ALL TAKE CARE AND ALWAYS....GOD BLESS Karen
I too am like all of you. The pain will knock you to your knees. Went to an Ortho Doctor who says I need surgery. Both right and left sholders are frozen. Maybe even a torn rotater cuff. Who the heck knows. Anyway have decided not to have surgery. I am a diabetic with RA and fybromylgia and An Abdominal Arortic anurism so I think surgery is to big a risk. I still have my pain meds and my muscle relaxers so if i have to become a drugie so be it. At least I will still be alive. What ever the problem really is some smart doctor will figure it out like maybe in 10 years.
I will be 30 years old this summer and have been struggling with similar pain for 5 years now. My "injury" was aquired during a jiu jitsu match. During the match, I felt a slight strain in between my right shoulder blade and my spine but closer to where my shoulder blade starts to curve out in my mid back. In my case, the pain grew more and more unbareable as the night went on and at one point, i was sitting at the edge of my couch, bent over at the waist at a 90 degree angle and unable to lift my upper body up because of an extreme amount of "pressure" and EXCRUTIATING "pain" in my mid back. After being bed ridden for a couple of days, i went to see the doc..... It's been 5 years and NOBODY has been able to pin point the problem. I've seen multiple specialists (some of which were mentioned above) had MRI's done, X-rays, tried sports medicine, acupunture, deep tissue massage, you name it! Some provided temporary relief, but the pain always returns. It has not only affected my life, but also the lives of my loved ones and those closest to me because being in constant pain and agony is so very frustrating and has mentally made me an angry and bitter person, whom which I ABSOLUTELY NEVER used to be. I've learned to kind of just "live with it," like Im sure most of you all have too.
But about a year ago, I started doing neck a neck retention excercise a friend of mine mentioned and it seems to be the only thing helpful for me and i would like to share it with you all.. (note: this should only be tried if no pain or discomfort is present while attempting it) On your bed, lay flat on your back with your hands at your side and your shoulders at the edge of the bed with your head hanging off and still as possible. Start off with 2-5 minutes of this and eventually work your way up to whatever you feel comfortable with each time you do it. Now here is the most important and crucial part to this: DO NOT use your neck to lift your head back up!! When getting up, make sure to put your hands behind your head and use your arms and abs to lift your head back up, turn to one side, and get up as slowly as possible!! This is extremely important because if you "just get right up," you basically just erase all the tention you just relieved. I try to do this nightly and i've even designed a little upside down reading workstation to keep me occupied while i do it. As it It may seem, it is uncomfortable and a little awkward the first couple of times, but i have found it to be the only thing that helps my particular case. Good Luck and God Bless!!
I too have been having the same problems for the last 13 years, i am now 33 with 2 young children and it has been really debilitating.
I have on many occaisions felt that enough was enough and gone in search of help only to find temporary relief from Physios, Chiropractors and Osteos.
As i get older i worry about the long term effect this is having on my whole posture and ability to work and do daily chores, this has made me more determined to find a solution.
I had a snowboarding accident when i was 20, i went to my GP (i'm in the UK) and was told i couldn't get on the physios waiting list) as a student i wasn't able to afford to see anyone so i just lived with it and the immediate injury symptoms eased but i was always left with aches back and shoulder aches that i had to live with.
As time has gone on my posture has got worse, my body has been overcompensating for the injuries for such a long time that i now use muscles i shouldn't and my pain has been getting worse and worse. I have a torn rotator cuff muscle (left shoulder) and my left shoulder blade sticks out and i recently found out that from my tailbone my spine is very straight before going in to a more pronounced curve inducing making a very pronounced curve in the upper back an impact injury.
My job involved sitting at a computer and heavy lifting (not sure which was worse!) which i think has massively contributed to my problem and subsequently being pregnant, breastfeeding and carrying children has compounded the issue making my posture even worse.
I really believe my problems are two fold - yes i have an injury but i also have postural issues that are preventing me from healing the injury effectively and in turn making my posture worse.
I have just started on a new treatment called Spinal Touch - Simply, this is about having you posture examined using a plum line and markings made on your back hips and shoulders, neck etc to show where you fall out of line, you then lie on your stomach whilst the therapist holds a release point under your bum cheek and gently works parts of your back hips shoulders, neck etc depending on your problems - it feels like they are doing nothing very much but i cant' tell you how much i ached the next day, more than any treatment from the osteo or physio, after only one session i have stopped having the urge to put weight on one leg and subsequently hand on hip for support - i have only just realised that i had been doing this for what seems like forever - the lady doing my treatment (my Pilates Teacher) had said that my hip was slightly rotated forward, my shoulders were forward and i had a lot of tension in my neck, plus she identified the flat part at the base of my spine which the countless physios, osteos etc did not notice which is causing my back to curve (this was also from same snowboarding accident an impact injury).
I have another 4 sessions booked as it will take time to keep the corrections in place - i will update the forum on the outcome!!! very excited by it. I am also restarting pilates after 1 year off (very busy year not able to get to a class) and hope that the pilates will build my core back up and stabalize my shoulder blade i then figure i can work to strengthen my rotator cuff and hopefully avoid surgery.
Its been so comforting to read everyones complaints as i had felt the only one and was made to feel like i was moaning about nothing - no one can understand the daily pain and burning in your back and how debilitating it is. I think for most of us there is no quick fix - the only option if you don't want to pop pills is to to find a formula of treatment that works for you - i suspect there is no one size fits all as we are all unique.
That said from reading all the posts on this forum it would seem that posture is a good place to start and this spinal touch is a great place to start with that. there are also other techniques i have read about that are alot more involved such as the Alexander Technique but this would cost too much for me - i will try Spinal Touch with Pilates first!
I will also be trying the tennis ball /golf ball to relieve the pain!
Hello Everyone! I wanted to share some great news.... A few weeks ago I went to see a Neurosurgeon who looked at my MRI's and confirmed that I do have two herniated discs and some degeneration in my cervical spine but did not feel that this was the cause for my pain. He referred me to an orthopedic surgeon and after two minutes with him he diagnosed me with a torn labral. He sent me for another MRI this time of the shoulder with an arthrogram. I went and had the the procedure done yesterday and let me tell you...IT WAS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE!!!
So now for the good news, the doctors office called today and it turns out I not only have a torn labral (cartilage) but I also have a torn rotator cuff. Apparently the torn cartilage was causing the burning pain under my shoulder blade and the pressure on the nerves was causing the neck pain and headaches. I scheduled surgery on the 22nd of this month. I am just so excited to know that this wasn't just in my imagination and I'm not crazy.
I will let everyone know how the surgery goes. And for everyone dealing with similar pain, maybe you have the same problems I do. It never hurts to check into it.
OMG...I am glad 4 u, but at the same time sad 4 me bc I cancelled my appt. with the Othropedic doc bc the receptionist said that they had me scheduled to check my shoulder. I said shoulder. I hurt in my neck/back. So, I just felt that it was all wrong and the trip is so hard on me...4+hrs. round trip...hard on me. I don't know. I have been to an Ortho back a couple of yrs. ago and he checked my shoulder, but didn't do any Arhrogram and I wanted him to bc I was hurting so badly. He did do an MRI and didn't see anything. SO, am I in the clear since he said so then or could it be that it just didn't show up at that time. Maybe it was the doc. I don't know. I did reschedule w/the Ortho, but now waiting another month of pain...Oh...I wish I would have gone now.
I am so glad 4 u though. It is great news to hear someone doing better and getting the help they need. Take care and always....GOD BLESS.. Karen
Karen, I am really sorry you are still in so much pain but whatever it is I'm sure they will find it. I know that it is really hard to find a good doctor who will actually believe you when you describe what you're feeling. As far as the arthrogram is concerned it was absolutely horrible. They put me in the MRI bed for about 25 minutes and did the preliminary exam then the took me to a CT machine where a doctor came in and inserted a huge needle into my shoulder. Once it's in they check to make sure they have the right spot in the CT machine. If it not they move it around and keep checking until it's in the joint. Once it's in they put in the dye and then back to the MRI machine for another 40 minutes. When the doctor called the next day he told me that if I had not had the arthrogram he wouldn't have been able to see the tears fully and might have dismissed it. He also said that the tears are causing inflammation which inturn presses on the nerves causing numbnessbin the arm and neck pain and headaches. I thought it was a pinched nerve. A knot. A herniated disc. I have self diagnosed for so long it's actually pathetic. Lol! But believe me knowing that relief is a little over a week away is wonderful. So keep your appointment and if the doc says to get the arthrogram do it. If anything it will either diagnose your problem or elimate another possibilty. Either way don't lose hope. And please don't listen to any "home remedies" that will only aggrivate the problem until you know for sure that it's not a tear. I will keep in touch!!! Jen
I have had the same burning between left shoulder blade and spine for the last 7years or so, been to see every doctor, had xrays, mri... Chiropractors, physical therapy...many different opinions to my problem. (And for the first 5 years I was definitely looked at like I was crazy!)
Long stories as I have been dealing with this for sooo long. It has in spurts totally ran my life, broke me down! It mostly occurs sitting at desk, standing, hunching doing dishes or laundry, ect. as I have been reading the same above.
In the end, I am convinced it is a Dysfunctional Muscle (a combination of Orthopedic Dr. and physical therapist information). I carry stress in my neck and shoulders ( hold shoulders up to my ears without even noticing). They say to exercise it and make it stronger but I am in fairly good shape and when I do, it burns like hell in the aftermath. So I just realize it's something I am going to have to deal with my own way. I pay attention to how tense I am, and Believe me! it make s a huge difference. If I start to feel tingling or burning, I relax my shoulders and sit back for a few minutes and I am ok. It is far from pleasant or gone daily but I also use a racket ball to hit my "trigger point". I lay on it on the floor with my arms crossed and roll a little till I "feel" the spot that is so tight. I lay on it for a few minutes and you can feel it relax. So this is how I deal with all of it and I was overwhelmed when I read some of the posts and how many ppl were dealing with as much pain as I am, and with the same exact symptoms, it brought me to tears. I wish all of you luck! And Be very careful if a doctor wants to inject anything into the area!!!!! It can make it worst and irreversible if it IS a Dysfunctional Muscle or similar problem-GET a 2nd or even 3rd opinion.
hi thank you for your time here in helping us out. i have had back surgery and have rods going down my spine, i had a s cruve but it was behind my heart not lower part of back, i had surgery at 35 now turning 51, i have lots of ackes and pain with my back, lots headacke from the pinched nerves i guess i have , my hubby trys and rub them out and they burn and hurt on both of my shoulder blades.
when i woke up from the surgery all i could say was my chest hurts, it was hurting like a heart attack but it was ok guess because they took it from a 65 to 35 i think cant remember but it was a huge curve and took me from 4'11 to 5 feet.
now i have a dull acke in my chest a lot or some times just pain, i had a stress echo last feb heart looks good, but it worries me with the pain in chest. my left hand goes numb some times . is this commom with this kind of surgery and what can i do about it , mine is not all on one side i have the whole back that hurts and chest. my rods go all the way down from top of my neck to the 3rd verbra i have 3 left to help me bend. thanks again for your help and kindness,Barbara
Yes, you have what's called an activated trigger point in the serratus posterior superior muscle and the trigger point is located under the shoulder blade where the muscle attaches to the ribs. That's why crossing your arms help - that position moves the shoulder blade out of the way so you can target the trigger point directly. And that is also why the trigger point is so excruciatingly painful - it's located between two bones - the ribs and shoulder blade.
Sorry to hear you suffered for seven years when laying on tennis, racquet or golf balls with your arms crossed is such a simple cure.
I think it's unlikely that the chest pain you're experiencing now has anything to do with the surgery you had 16 years ago. Most problems are due to overloading the muscles, poor standing and sitting posture and lack of exercise - not to mention dehydration and poor diet.
The fan shaped pectoralis (chest muscle) is a complex muscle and there are five different areas where trigger points can become activated. But because you mentioned headaches and that your left hand goes numb sometimes I will focus on those trigger points.
If you have active trigger points in your pectoralis major muscle you will feel pain in the anterior chest, breast, and down the inside of your arm to the fourth and fifth fingers.
If you have an active trigger point in the left subclavius muscle you will feel pain across the front of the shoulder and down the front of the arm and along the radial (thumb side) of the forearm and the radial side of your hand. In addition the thumb, index and middle finger may hurt.
Headaches can be caused by the shortening of the clavicular head of the pectoralis major muscles which produces a downward and forward pull putting tension on the sternocleidomastoid (neck) muscle.
Your upper back muscles are tight due to the overload from the tight pectoralis muscles - these muscles act as antagonists. Once you massage and stretch out the pectoralis muscles the back pain will disappear. So, your man should be massaging your chest muscles along with your back muscles.
To stretch the chest muscles you must abduct and flex the arm at the shoulder. The In- doorway stretch is an effective exercise.
To avoid this problem don't do any heavy lifting especially when reaching out front and correct your posture. If your chest muscles are tight your shoulders are pulled forward in a stooped, round shouldered position and your head is in a forward position. Also don't expose your fatigued muscles to cold air.
I hope this helps Barbara. No one needs to live their life in pain.
thank you so much for your advice, i do have my hubby rub the back out a lot and the headackes do go away, chest dont hurt all the time just last two days dull and it comes and goes.
i have the burn areas when i put both my shouldersback it burns and hurtsmost on right side. seems like lots under shoulder blade to, i guess its took its toll since the surgery and i should been getting massage therepy all these years . would that help my insurance will pay for that?
i knew it was not heart i see a cardio dr once a year and have had test ran but after it hurts all day you start to worry, than it goes away and comes back weeks later so everytime my chest hurts its a worry as with anyone.
thank you again for your kind words you ease our minds and help us out. Bless you .Barbara
Please read the post I wrote on November 24 regarding how to deal with the burning pain under your shoulder blade and the responses that followed by those who were helped including kkokko who wrote just before you yesterday.
You're right, it's common for people to think have they have heart problems when they have activated trigger points in the chest area - front or back.
Yes, considering what you went through it would have been good if you had been getting massaged all these years. I suggest you call your insurance company and ask if they cover massage and if not find a masseuse/masseur and see if you can do an exchange - you may have something to offer her/him in return.
Having an experienced and compassionate masseuse/masseur you trust can go a long way - I recommend everyone have one. There have been many times that I have heard clients say as they settle on my table that they feel better already - it just happened again yesterday.
Please do whatever you can to take good care of yourself.
i had a severe case of bronchitis this winter, it lasted four months. the bronchitis has cleared up, but now i have a horrible pain under my right shoulder, and it hurts to breathe. it's much worse at night. the doctors don't know what is wrong with me. perhaps it's muscle inflammation. i don't know. i've been living with this for months now, and it's not getting any better. i can't sleep at night. sometimes my right arm tingles. i can't get a deep breath at all...it just hurts...sometimes i hear a crackle in my shoulder when i breathe. i don't know what to do. i've been abandoned by the doctors. i'm frustrated, they think i'm making it up. when i press on my back, under my shoulder, it doesn't hurt...it almost feels better...so if the muscles are inflamed, it's not close to the surface. i'm sure it has something to do with the bout of bronchitis i had, because the bronchitis cleared up, but this pain didn't. at first i thought is was pain in the back of my lungs, but now i'm not so sure. does anyone know if the muscles surrounding the bronchial tubes could be inflamed? suggestions? i'm desperate. i've been practically bedridden all winter.
You're right, coughing activated a trigger point in your serratus anterior muscle. You have all the symptoms - it hurts to breath, you can't get comfortable at night and if you were to look at your back your scapula (shoulder blade) will be sticking out (winging).
To palpate this trigger point you must lie semi-supine (on you side leaning back a bit), bend your elbow backwards to adduct the scapula (let it hang behind you) this also helps to stretch the muscle. The trigger point is most likely located approximately at the level of your nipple over the fifth or sixth rib at the midaxillary line (down from the armpit) but occasionally they are located lower or higher or underside the vertebral border of the scapula.
To self-stretch the serratus anterior muscle you sit in a chair and stabilize the scapula of the involved side by placing your arm behind the chair back. After taking a deep breath exhale slowly and turn your thorax toward the opposite side.
In order not to reactivate this trigger point learn to clear the throat rather than cough, use synchronized (not paradoxical breathing), avoid push-ups and lifting heavy objects overhead, and don't hang from or chin yourself on a bar.
I have had a lot of the same symptoms as the preceding posts for the past 6 years. I am currently 30 years old and I am an engineer. I have tried many things to try and correct the discomfort. About a year ago I tried a few things and the discomfort has seemed to disappear...at least for the most part (90% of the time). I am a healthy male and my only aliment at the time was borderline high cholesterol (LDL) and low HDL. To this day I am not sure if this had anything to do with my discomfort.
Because of this I started to change my diet. I used to eat lunch meat everyday for lunch - i reduced this to only once a week. I increased my activity level hopefully lower my trig level. But what I feel the most significant change was adding fish oil to my diet. Not only did this reduce my cholesterol but it seemed to reduce my shoulder blade discomfort noticeably within a month and only got better as time progressed. I have researched fish oil extensively and found that it also has anti-inflammatory benefits which may have been contributing to the discomfort. It is also well documented that it has benefits for the heart the brain. There is researching being done regarding its mental health benefits as well. It can hurt to try...it worked for me. I followed the manufacturers suggested dosing.
Some other thing I did was add cinnamon to my coffee which is supposed to help with blood sugar levels. I also reduced my sugar intake and stopped adding sugar to my coffee. Though I don’t think this had as much of a dramatic effect as the fish oil.
I was never into taking medication or believe in herbals and I am still not but it seems like the fish oil worked for me.
Maybe you can try and anti-inflammatory such as Advil and see if the pain is temporarily relieved.
thanks so much for your advice. i'm pretty sure there's no fractured rib, because they did perform x-rays. i did the stretching exercises that you suggested and it helped a lot...i have more relief now than i have in months. this will eventually go away, right? i'm just worried about permanent damage, worried that it is something more serious. i wasn't sure bronchitis could cause lasting discomfort like this...i'm sure it's not bronchitis, but something that happened as a result of it. what you wrote makes a lot of sense. once again, thanks so much. another quick question...would anti-inflammatories help?
Please don't fret any longer. Fears that problems such as yours will last forever or it is something more serious are common. And having an activated trigger point - for how ever long it may last - does not cause permanent damage.
Keep up the stretching exercise and the self massage and if you decide to take an anti-inflammatory don't mix it with alcohol.
I'm so happy you found relief - it's only a matter of time now.
I had the same pain behind my shoulder blade... my PM doctor did a medial branch nerve block on T-12/L-1 & L-1/L-2 & L-2/L-3 which was a very painful procedure... Afterwards; the pain was gone... completely gone. The procedure was a couple years ago and the pain has not returned. Hope everyone finds relief soon.
It is very easy to massage your trigger points by yourself. You only need a very hard bouncy ball and the following book:
"The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook" from Clair Davies (see comments on Amazon)
Massage your trigger points according to the book and after 1 - 2 weeks they are gone - a very easy way to get rid of all your pain. I've had amazing results and you can have them too. An additional comment to the book: Also massage the end and beginning of a muscle with trigger points!
Hey how ru? I am interested in all u have said. I suffer on a daily basis. I can't brush my teeth very easily. It hurts to lean over the sink. I get it done, but have actually cried while doing so. It does burn under my shoulder blades. I also have this burning that comes on me while standing in the middle of my back and lower back. It is so bad that I have to lean against something fast. I have to straighten my back up against the object which is mostly a wall or post of some kind. I just want to get something done. I am so tired and that is an understatement. I am just @ to go crazy at times bc the pain rides me all day long somedays. I have so many symptoms I can't tell them all to u bc it is just too much. I know it has to be something pretty bad to cause so much pain, but can't get a dx to get it repaired or something.
I read @ how ur chin can pull down to ur collar bone and mine does that. It makes me feel like I am having a stroke.My head has these places that feel so sore that my hair hurts just to touch it. I am serious. It hurts to touch the skin even.
The muscle issue that is going on in both of my legs really frightens me. It is strange that symetric rings are forming on both legs in exactly the same place, but each ring is starting on the opposite side of the leg. It is like something targeted that area, so it must be of some importance to figuring out what is going on. Right? My feet stay sore like risons. I gave myself Vit.B-12 @ every 6-7 days apart. It helped at first, then after @ it made me be able to walk w/out my feet being sore. So, I thought I had perniscious anemia, but then the effect wore off and they started hurting again and nothing has helped anymore. Everytime I get out of bed,I can only stay up until my back literally feels like it is on "FIRE". Is there anyone out there that has these symptoms? Maybe we should work together on this and get to the bottom of it! I mean it. I am so tired of suffering sometimes...I do feel and pray to The Lord that I don't lose my sanity. I pray to keep it so much. I just need to know what to do or where to go to find the answer. I could write a boook!!
I have been through the ringer. I mean we have been shuffled from doc to doc. Just to get ....NOWHERE.....am I right?I know some of it was insurance issues, but thank GOD I have good ins. through my hubby.
I know sometimes I have prayed to The Lord to send me to that right doc who is going to answer my prayers and make me where I can just have some kind of life. I have written to "Disease diagnoses" practically begging to see if they would take me as a patient to find the reason 4 this insanity. Well, it is actually "The National Institute of Health".
We are here to seek 4 answers...right? Why has it taken so long 4 me to get an answer? OHHH it seems like my kids are seeing me in bed and know where mom is. Don't have to ask...just comes to my bed.
So, please if there is anyone who has burning legs and it started first hurting behind my knee. My feet were sore, but numb. I can actually get a dental pick and scratch it...hard. My son can't believe how he accidently pushed his toenail into my foot. Then, after hitting my foot pressed it in to see how much pressure it took to make me feel it. I didn't until he retracted his foot and said, " Mom, u should be bleeding...I didn't mean to hurt u...Look at it." I looked at it and I could see his toenail in my arch(I guess..in the middle, the tenderest part)and it was @ to bleed. I could see blood coming to the top and I had it bleed a little. I told the doc and he said never to do that again. I could have some sort of blood clot happen or something like that.
Man, I should start a website blog or something...lol. I love to veeeent. It just gives me some sort of release on this debitating disease or whatever is going on in my body.
Well, I think I gave enough tonight. I hope I didn't take up tooo much space..:)You all take care and I do pray 4 all of u. I think of all the people that suffer and I just wish it would all end. IT is up to HIM. HE is The Only one who can do it. If we can only excecpt HIM as "OUR LORD AND SAVIOR...only then will we be able to get the strength to get to where we can smile and have a life. I know He only chatises those He loves. If we suffer, it is only because He suffered for us first....Yeah, we ought to humble ourselves to Him and maybe if He sees that you will stand by His side will He heal you. It is only a feeling.
Hey, U all take care and always GOD BLESS.... Karen
Thank you for the recommendation. I'm glad you've had amazing results using trigger point therapy and you took the time to write.
Mile1105 mentioned the same book plus two others in his Post on August 5, 07. I bought all three.
Yes, it is easy to massage trigger points by yourself but you must know where they are, in what posture to position yourself, how to breath correctly, where to avert your eyes and remember to keep your jaw relaxed.
It's also helpful to have an understanding of how muscles function - where they attach - so you can stretch effectively. I can't tell you how many people think surgeons "cut through" muscle when they operate or preform a cesarean.
It hurts to lean over a sink because you're shortening already tight rectus abdominal muscles. The referred pain you feel in your middle back is directly opposite the trigger points in the abdominal muscles. That's why straightening up helps - you're stretching - rectus in Latin means straight. The cobra pose used in yoga is very helpful for this problem. Just remember to keep your pelvis on the floor. The relief you feel in your lower back will be immediate.
If you have pain behind the knee and it hurts to crouch, run or walk uphill or going down the stairs the popliteus muscle is responsible. I recommend you wear an elastic sleeve around your knee and avoid prolong immobilization.
If you're taking medication read the list of side effects and see if any apply to you. I've been reading about Ciprofloxin - used for bacterial infections - and how it can cause joint stiffness, back pain, neck or chest pain, gout flare-ups etc.
I was with my doctor last week getting ready for a trip to Africa when he said he would prescribe cipro for diarrhea. I refused and explained that I didn't want to take the risk. He said he had just been with a patient who suffered from a spontaneous tear in the Achilles' tendon due to the drug - it's a common side effect.
Good luck Karen and cheers to frolicking in the sunshine with your children!
Hey, I am glad to hear from u and the info. Unfortunately, I think there is something really wrong here. I don't know if I said much @ this,but my whole body is sore and my muscles feel as if they are pulling..but not like RLS. IT is a different kind of pull.
After I had my surgery all I felt then was my right arm burning. The doc as I said commented that it was my C5 and my surgery was on C5-C6 and that worries me bc I feel there is where my prob. started. I saw the man(NS) for 9 out of 11 mos in the same year. I was complaining of pain and all he would do is give me med. and I wanted to find what was causing the pain. Now, after suffering for a yr. I went ahead and had the ESI's in which then is when all of my leg pains started. At first i just ached and as I said was totally numb in my hands/feet. I feel he hit my spinal cord or the nerve fibers. What can I do @ that? Could it be some of the things I have researched like "Arachnoiditis or Dystonia?"..My back is burning just sitting up straight in this chair at the comp. I can't stand long for my back is on fire. I am scared and I have to admit it. I even have this swelling that seems to be happening in my head. It feels like it is tight and my skin is pulled to a degree. I just want answers and it seems like it is taking forever and I am a patient person. OHH... pain in my hand. Oh yeah, I was told I had carpel tunnel in both hands and that is after just a year ago they were normal...until this last one found it in both hands. How is that when it was fine a yr. ago and I haven't done any work..can't or I will pay for the least thing that I do. U know my back started burning after I tried to do those shoulder blade stretches...Is that good or bad? That is when my hands started to hurt too. MMM? I pray that I find an answer...soon b4 I lose my mind...NAW...I prayed to The Lord 4 that one. He has me covered.
I wanted to give u the list that they say that I have: Cervical,Lumbar & Hip/Joint DDD, Myofascial Pain,Spinal Stenosis, Spondylosis, Cervicalgia(don't know anything @ this one..yet),Fibromyalgia(18 out of 18 tender points),CM(Chiari Malformation 6.5cm),T3-T4 compressed fractured vertebrea(the last 2 things I didn't even know @ until I filed for disability and was getting paperwork together), and I am sure I am missing something..oh well, I will give it to u next time. I hope you can think of something that will help me. Who do I need to see? Who would you recommend?
I appreciate the comback and hope we can keep in touch so maybe I can find a clue or something until I can get in to see the NS that I suppose to see after the get my paperwork and film to him. He suppose to be one of the best in the state. I pray he finds the problem so I can get it fixed...hopefully and get on with my life...
I wish u the best and GOD BLESS...always... Karen
I'm sorry to hear of your continuing troubles Karen.
All the conditions you describe you have except for the Chiari Malformation are found in many people from midlife on and research shows that when you fix them the pain usually doesn't go away.
There used to be a show on the telly called Mystery Diagnosis which portrayed real people who suffered at length - just like you - before they found a competent doctor who was able to correctly diagnose their problems. I urge you to do the same.
Good luck with your search Karen and keep the faith.
Due to the following observation you wrote in a previous post I suggest you get checked for Lyme disease. If this is something you have not already considered please take note as his can be a serious disease if not treated early. But beware that it can be difficult to find doctors who are "Lyme literate" because most don't recognize the symptoms and the rash is never the same on two people.
"The muscle issue that is going on in both of my legs really frightens me. It is strange that symetric rings are forming on both legs in exactly the same place, but each ring is starting on the opposite side of the leg. It is like something targeted that area, so it must be of some importance to figuring out what is going on. Right?"
I thought I was the only one who rubs her back on posts, sharp corners of doors and leans against walls to ease the pain in my back. About 6 years ago a tightening in my back began in the right side and went to the left..and eventually around my chest and it felt as if all of the muscles in my body were contracting..it was painful and finally when I couldn't breathe anymore, I passed out. The emergency crew came..gave me oxygen and a doctor gave me a shot of something in my hip but while coming too the pain everywhere in my body was terrible. It took quite a few hours to re-coup. Since then the pain has never left the right side of my back just under the shoulder blade. It comes and goes but seems to come when stressed like driving or under pressure. Now for the last 3 days I have been waking up at 3-4 AM with the worst pain I have ever experienced in the area under my left shoulder blade, spreading across my whole back and down my left arm to my elbow. It feels very raw there when the pain goes..usually after 45 minutes after taking Excedrin or aspirin. It is terrible..this is a pain I can't live with...the other re-occuring every day was tolerable. I found that pressing on the area or laying on it on the floor was helpful...but
no longer..it is getting worse. I wonder if it is caused by stress..which is what I am having to deal with multiple serious problems right now!
Yes, active trigger points can be debilitating. I once had a client who was going to take Amtrak across the country for a pleasure trip but he had to get off the train because he couldn't tolerate the pain under his shoulder blade.
Lying on your side is intolerable because this causes the scapula to press against the trigger point. Remember that this trigger point is positioned between two bones - the rib and the scapula. That is why the pain is so excruciating.
Stress is always going to exacerbate myofascial pain. When you drive you're reaching out forward and your shoulders are probably elevated - this movement stretches and over loads the serratus posterior superior muscle where the trigger point is located.
Also, if your multiple serious problems have anything to do with respiration such as asthma, pneumonia or emphysema you could be exacerbating your problem as the serratus posteriior superior muscle assists in inspiration.
Learning how to breath correctly, not paradoxical breathing, and correcting shallow breathing can be a tremendous help, in part, because when you exhale you automatically drop your shoulders.
When using tennis balls to apply pressure use two, both sides should be worked evenly. Apply pressure not only to the area under the shoulder blade but the whole of your upper back and along your spine as you may have associated trigger points in the rhomboids, the iliocostalis, the longissimus thoracis and the multifidus muscles of the back.
The goal is to locate and affectively inactivate the central trigger point which may be difficult because if it's in the serratus posterior superior muscle it lies under two other muscles, the trapezius and the rhomboids, and the scapula.
The scalene muscles in your neck may have developed trigger points as they work synergistically with the serratus posterior anterior in inhalation. To test the scalene muscles for trigger points rotate the head fully to the side and dip your chin down into the hollow behind the clavicle (collar bone). If this hurts, stretch the muscle, improve your posture, use a proper pillow when sleeping, proper lighting when reading, elevate the head of the bed, and keep your body warm.
To relieve the raw feeing try using an ice pack or moist heat and interchange them until you figure out which works best for you.
Please take the time and make the effort because - if done correctly - you can rid your body of this pain - and who doesn't want that!
yup, me to. 7-8 years now. All kinds of tests, MRI, Nerve tests, 2 years ov Vicodin addiction, etc...
I was driving 82 miles each way to work along with sitting at a PC all day. Yeah, really bad posture!!! And it would worsen itself because the drugs would kill the pain for the ride to work and allow me to slouch the whole way! It will get worse and worse until posture is perfect, all the time. And, mines not yet! I try several times a day to sit up straight, pop it, etc... My pain is on the right. Someone hit the nail on the head with the grinding while rolling my should and a freaking bullet in there burning me. I always compared it to a hot poker being shoved in under my shoulder blade.
We have found that my new job 4 miles from home helps the most.
Second, sleeping right. Go a night with only a couple hours sleep and you'll know what Im talking about.
Third, we switched to Ultram. Its the only thing I need to take and it really knocks the burning away. Yeah, I still feel a bit tight and sore, but for prolonged exposure to a chemical, its a good choice for me.
Fourth, I've found that I need to take Ultram about 1 every three hours or so on bad days. As well, I started taking one during the night when I wake up. This makes it a little less painful in the morning.
And yeah, I'm getting the forward head. We need to go back to standing and sitting up straight all the time!!! Also, if you have a desk job it is so important to take a three to five minute stroll around the office at least once per hour.