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After being cured from Chronic Renal Failure - convalescence and related problems
Discuss about cat convalescence after having being cured from CRF.
Hello, my 19yo cat cured from CRF, but I'll have to continue treatment. And I don't know if after being cured, if she shall continue treatment or not, because usually cats don't get cured of CRF.
She'll soon re-start her treatment: Renalzin + Probiavi probiotics, Renalzin made her Phosphorus get lower and the probiotics made her Urea get lower, and both made the Creatinine get back to normal levels:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/waterreedshimmer/4970322673/
- I don't know if it's good to wait for her probiotics to arrive before re-start ?
- I don't know if low urea is dangerous ?
- I don't know if low phosphorus is dangerous ?
- I don't know if there is something in her kidney that didn't cure ?
Renalzin = Lanthanum carbonate (Human Renalzin in France is called Fosrenol, but you must have the same medicine with another name in UK and USA)
Probiavi contains =
Pediococcus Acidophilus
Bifido lactis
Bifido Longdum
Lactobacillus Acidophillus
Streptococcus Thermophilus
S.Cervisiae (yeast)
FOS (Fructo oligo sacharide)
And a little dextrose (food grade)
And there is also another problem, I pass my time trying to contact a researcher that can tell me if it is possible that one of her probiotics bacteria has mutated into one that can cure cat kidney cancer or contains a new virus that can cure CRF ? And I also think that if such bacteria or virus exists, it comes from Canada and it travels in USA through Psyllium Husk that are prebiotics, that means food for bacteria. But I still did not have a positive answer from any researcher. It is important because cure for CRF, or at least mega toxin eater that lowers Urea, cannot be into a volatil compound that has not been identified and whose presence depends on luck.
If there isn't such mutated bacteria nor virus, it's only the treatment that worked. Some humans also can cure from it.
I also have no vet knowledge and am a simple pet owner.
Hello, my 19yo cat cured from CRF, but I'll have to continue treatment. And I don't know if after being cured, if she shall continue treatment or not, because usually cats don't get cured of CRF.
She'll soon re-start her treatment: Renalzin + Probiavi probiotics, Renalzin made her Phosphorus get lower and the probiotics made her Urea get lower, and both made the Creatinine get back to normal levels:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/waterreedshimmer/4970322673/
- I don't know if it's good to wait for her probiotics to arrive before re-start ?
- I don't know if low urea is dangerous ?
- I don't know if low phosphorus is dangerous ?
- I don't know if there is something in her kidney that didn't cure ?
Renalzin = Lanthanum carbonate (Human Renalzin in France is called Fosrenol, but you must have the same medicine with another name in UK and USA)
Probiavi contains =
Pediococcus Acidophilus
Bifido lactis
Bifido Longdum
Lactobacillus Acidophillus
Streptococcus Thermophilus
S.Cervisiae (yeast)
FOS (Fructo oligo sacharide)
And a little dextrose (food grade)
And there is also another problem, I pass my time trying to contact a researcher that can tell me if it is possible that one of her probiotics bacteria has mutated into one that can cure cat kidney cancer or contains a new virus that can cure CRF ? And I also think that if such bacteria or virus exists, it comes from Canada and it travels in USA through Psyllium Husk that are prebiotics, that means food for bacteria. But I still did not have a positive answer from any researcher. It is important because cure for CRF, or at least mega toxin eater that lowers Urea, cannot be into a volatil compound that has not been identified and whose presence depends on luck.
If there isn't such mutated bacteria nor virus, it's only the treatment that worked. Some humans also can cure from it.
I also have no vet knowledge and am a simple pet owner.
I'm happy that my cat is still alive.
Now days she is having a lot of constipation, the cause is rather not enough strength.
She is doing well with K/D mixed with I/D.
Thinking maths:
3 x 2 syringes a day = 3*(2 x 10ml) = 60 ml a day - the water added.
1 can of K/D = 156g
For a 4kg cat, 1 can and 1/2 = 156 + 78 = 234g
So the quantity she must eat is:
ex:
K/D proteins: 8,4%
I/D proteins: 9,9%
60/234 * 100 = 25,64%
So she is allowed to eat:
(8,4+25,64)/100 + 8,4 = 10,55% of proteins
(if someone can advice better calculus than me for everyone... ?)
So I/D is OK.
Now days she is having a lot of constipation, the cause is rather not enough strength.
She is doing well with K/D mixed with I/D.
Thinking maths:
3 x 2 syringes a day = 3*(2 x 10ml) = 60 ml a day - the water added.
1 can of K/D = 156g
For a 4kg cat, 1 can and 1/2 = 156 + 78 = 234g
So the quantity she must eat is:
ex:
K/D proteins: 8,4%
I/D proteins: 9,9%
60/234 * 100 = 25,64%
So she is allowed to eat:
(8,4+25,64)/100 + 8,4 = 10,55% of proteins
(if someone can advice better calculus than me for everyone... ?)
So I/D is OK.
I am the happiest cat-mother that exists over the world.
And I am very sad about the thousand of people who thinks I feel frustrated when grooming my sick cat. I love my cat. So I love to take care of her. And I have hope. As I will always have hope in sickness with everyone. You can only kill someone if you lost your hope about him/her. Because love is an essencial ingredient for cure.
We live in a very dangerous society. People who don't have hope and who think you are frustrated are dangerous for society. I don't like you.
I am as happy as when I did the Master 1 and succeeded, it were the happiest days of my life, and professors didn't have to tell me they are in depression because I should be feeling frustrated because I am old (???) and as most of their students they don't like, I dream about finding my first job, but unfortunately Linguistics field is not associated with the world of employment (???). Those people who don't believe in you, don't believe in their own future. They are all wrong. I passed 10years without being told Linguistics isn't associated with a job. But I'm not as lunatic as professors, I have ambitions in Geology field, and I'll take the 70years left for me to live, to become Geologist. I also have ambition of working even if I'll have to say: "I did no studies and passed 10years in vidéo games", because you can't find a job with a human science diploma, may it be linguistics or psychology or sociology or ethnology. But before all, I'll take care of my cat.
I'm very happy with my vet, because he has hope. And I wouldn't stay with a vet that don't believe the cat can live.
So the thousand of people who told me they are frustrated when their car is sick so I must feel frustrated with mine. You are wrong and dangerous for society! Sickness is the same thing then fairies, if you don't believe in them, they die.
And I am very sad about the thousand of people who thinks I feel frustrated when grooming my sick cat. I love my cat. So I love to take care of her. And I have hope. As I will always have hope in sickness with everyone. You can only kill someone if you lost your hope about him/her. Because love is an essencial ingredient for cure.
We live in a very dangerous society. People who don't have hope and who think you are frustrated are dangerous for society. I don't like you.
I am as happy as when I did the Master 1 and succeeded, it were the happiest days of my life, and professors didn't have to tell me they are in depression because I should be feeling frustrated because I am old (???) and as most of their students they don't like, I dream about finding my first job, but unfortunately Linguistics field is not associated with the world of employment (???). Those people who don't believe in you, don't believe in their own future. They are all wrong. I passed 10years without being told Linguistics isn't associated with a job. But I'm not as lunatic as professors, I have ambitions in Geology field, and I'll take the 70years left for me to live, to become Geologist. I also have ambition of working even if I'll have to say: "I did no studies and passed 10years in vidéo games", because you can't find a job with a human science diploma, may it be linguistics or psychology or sociology or ethnology. But before all, I'll take care of my cat.
I'm very happy with my vet, because he has hope. And I wouldn't stay with a vet that don't believe the cat can live.
So the thousand of people who told me they are frustrated when their car is sick so I must feel frustrated with mine. You are wrong and dangerous for society! Sickness is the same thing then fairies, if you don't believe in them, they die.
Minou had a more than 7days constipation, she went to the vet and he took out the #### that was huge. I'm glad the vet has a cat, you must have some courage to help a constipated cat, and taking the #### out is a very personnal intervention !
But Minou is calm, that might have helped, he said he used a lubrificator, and it hurted her anus a little, but very small blood from mucosa.
I have the same problem then her because I am vegetarian. I am sure K/D without proteins can't help. I don't know if the i/d will help for this in the future. I hope she recovers because her skin is full of dandruff because of constipation.
She had 2 syringues (of 10mm) of water plus one with water + vitamin gel paste from Virback, before going to the vet, so that she won't faint. And when we arrived she had her food with her probiotics and her Renalzin. Because I always eat after constipation.
But Minou is calm, that might have helped, he said he used a lubrificator, and it hurted her anus a little, but very small blood from mucosa.
I have the same problem then her because I am vegetarian. I am sure K/D without proteins can't help. I don't know if the i/d will help for this in the future. I hope she recovers because her skin is full of dandruff because of constipation.
She had 2 syringues (of 10mm) of water plus one with water + vitamin gel paste from Virback, before going to the vet, so that she won't faint. And when we arrived she had her food with her probiotics and her Renalzin. Because I always eat after constipation.
Looking at i/d vs k/d (vet said to mix both), they are quiet similar in % for one can:
i/d: proteins9,9 fat6,3 carboh7,1 fibre0,4 Pho0,21 Ca0,31 K0,27 Na0,09 tau0,14
k/d: proteins8,4 fat7,9 carboh11 fibre0,7 Pho0,1 Ca0,18 K0,3 Na0,09 tau0,11
i/d: kcal/100g 110 target-ph 6.2-6.4 disgestibility:proteins:91%
k/d: kcal/100g 136 target-ph 6.6-6.9 non-protein-calories 78%
ingredients i/d: Turkey, turkey liver, maize flour, rice flour, Fibrim® 1260 (soluble fibre source), dicalcium phosphate, calcium sulphate, potassium chloride, edible gums, calcium carbonate, taurine, iodised salt, vitamins and trace elements.
ingredients k/d: Liver, chicken (minimum 14%), pork, ground rice, oat fibre, maize starch, glucose, animal fat, potassium citrate, psyllium, edible gums, calcium carbonate, calcium sulphate, menhaden oil, taurine, DL-methionine, iodised
salt, vitamins and trace elements.
Fibrim is soy fiber. Hope it's not dangerous since soy contains hormones and that could give thyrroid problems, but maybe fiber isn't grain ?
But I think the protein level of i/d is OK for CRF, moreover if it's mixed with k/d.
i/d: proteins9,9 fat6,3 carboh7,1 fibre0,4 Pho0,21 Ca0,31 K0,27 Na0,09 tau0,14
k/d: proteins8,4 fat7,9 carboh11 fibre0,7 Pho0,1 Ca0,18 K0,3 Na0,09 tau0,11
i/d: kcal/100g 110 target-ph 6.2-6.4 disgestibility:proteins:91%
k/d: kcal/100g 136 target-ph 6.6-6.9 non-protein-calories 78%
ingredients i/d: Turkey, turkey liver, maize flour, rice flour, Fibrim® 1260 (soluble fibre source), dicalcium phosphate, calcium sulphate, potassium chloride, edible gums, calcium carbonate, taurine, iodised salt, vitamins and trace elements.
ingredients k/d: Liver, chicken (minimum 14%), pork, ground rice, oat fibre, maize starch, glucose, animal fat, potassium citrate, psyllium, edible gums, calcium carbonate, calcium sulphate, menhaden oil, taurine, DL-methionine, iodised
salt, vitamins and trace elements.
Fibrim is soy fiber. Hope it's not dangerous since soy contains hormones and that could give thyrroid problems, but maybe fiber isn't grain ?
But I think the protein level of i/d is OK for CRF, moreover if it's mixed with k/d.
She is 2,400 Kgs, so she lost weight although she kept very big belly (ventre) but we see she is bony.
She did blood analysis + echography.
All organs were OK (bowel, kidney - 1 kidney had a kyst, bladder etc.) but she has hard stools (selles dures) waiting in bowel. I spoke about her always go: 1st) big and hard 2nd) diarrhea-like.
Mother asked if could be: hemorroids ?
Vet answered: Cats can't have hemorroids. But she can't also have laxatives because of the diarrhea problems.
I said I give cooked zucchini with her food for her PH and for her gastro-intestinal problems (fibers).
About her PH, I mesured yesterday, it was 5.8. So a little bit of zucchini is good for correcting acid urine problems, thanks to its alkalinity properties, I confirm. But echography said: no visible crystals.
Vet said to mix Sciences Hills i/d (gastro-intestinal wet food) with k/d (renal wet food). But I am a little afraid for creatinine. Because the kidney in sick cats don't synthetise proteins as well as for normal cats. But on the other hand she is still loosing weight and she has this intestinal problem with heavy #### followed by water-like-#### (that dirties everything).
He didn't gave any opinion about zucchini (courgette) because vets in France don't have nutritional formation, but mother said previous vet had advised it for her cat (my cat was her grandmother when her cat was alive) when she had constipation issues and said it was also good without constipation.
He also said I could go on with Mercola Probiotics. I showed him the bottle. Although I had stopped it.
About her blood analysis. He thinks it's because she is old and her kidney is old that it is getting worse. But he don't think there is a pathology associated with it and he thinks she is not going to die now (mother asked).
UREA: 0,526 g/L (past Probiotics for uremia + Renalzin phosphorus blinder + actually zucchini for acidity) -> normal - we are in the middle of the normal.
CREA: 28,8 mg/L high, max is 24.
Other levels: normal.
Na - K - Cl: normal.
He didn't measure phosphorus.
She did blood analysis + echography.
All organs were OK (bowel, kidney - 1 kidney had a kyst, bladder etc.) but she has hard stools (selles dures) waiting in bowel. I spoke about her always go: 1st) big and hard 2nd) diarrhea-like.
Mother asked if could be: hemorroids ?
Vet answered: Cats can't have hemorroids. But she can't also have laxatives because of the diarrhea problems.
I said I give cooked zucchini with her food for her PH and for her gastro-intestinal problems (fibers).
About her PH, I mesured yesterday, it was 5.8. So a little bit of zucchini is good for correcting acid urine problems, thanks to its alkalinity properties, I confirm. But echography said: no visible crystals.
Vet said to mix Sciences Hills i/d (gastro-intestinal wet food) with k/d (renal wet food). But I am a little afraid for creatinine. Because the kidney in sick cats don't synthetise proteins as well as for normal cats. But on the other hand she is still loosing weight and she has this intestinal problem with heavy #### followed by water-like-#### (that dirties everything).
He didn't gave any opinion about zucchini (courgette) because vets in France don't have nutritional formation, but mother said previous vet had advised it for her cat (my cat was her grandmother when her cat was alive) when she had constipation issues and said it was also good without constipation.
He also said I could go on with Mercola Probiotics. I showed him the bottle. Although I had stopped it.
About her blood analysis. He thinks it's because she is old and her kidney is old that it is getting worse. But he don't think there is a pathology associated with it and he thinks she is not going to die now (mother asked).
UREA: 0,526 g/L (past Probiotics for uremia + Renalzin phosphorus blinder + actually zucchini for acidity) -> normal - we are in the middle of the normal.
CREA: 28,8 mg/L high, max is 24.
Other levels: normal.
Na - K - Cl: normal.
He didn't measure phosphorus.
I tried to put something on wikipedia related to what I've found on the net, don't know if it'll stay:
==Dietetics==
For humans: Drink low mineralized water, avoid tap water even for cooking, eat less meat, and add alkaline vegetables on your plate like fresh cucumber, zucchini, fresh endive, alfafa grass, onion and garlic.
*[http://www.naturalhealthcarestore.com/phdiet.htm Adjust Your Bodies pH Level With an Acid and Alkaline Balanced Diet]
*[http://www.balance-ph-diet.com/acid_alkaline_food_chart.html Acid Alkaline Food Chart]
For animals: Offer low mineralized water several times a day. Cook in low mineralized water zucchini slices, pass a few through a small strainer along with its wet food diet, to have a more alkaline pet food.
A cat's urine PH should be between 6.1 and 6.6 and a dog's PH should be between 5.2 to 6.8, if it is less there is a risk of high uric acid, cystine, and calcium oxalate crystals. Acidic urine can be the consequence of meat diet, low chloride or acidoses. On the other hand, alkaline urine can cause struvite, calcium carbonate, calcium phosphate, and can be the consequence of alkaline vegetable diet, high phosphate or bacterial infection. PH paper strips can be bought at aquarium stores for personal use. Avoid contact with litter when mesuring, and results must be checked instantaneously.
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References (as above):
http://adam.about.com/reports/000081_7.htm
http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/sine/index.php (good PH explanation)
http://loudoun.nvcc.edu/vetonline/vet131/urinalysis.htm (more exact PH of cats and dogs)
But there is a chance that for dogs there is variations according to breed. But I don't know.
==Dietetics==
For humans: Drink low mineralized water, avoid tap water even for cooking, eat less meat, and add alkaline vegetables on your plate like fresh cucumber, zucchini, fresh endive, alfafa grass, onion and garlic.
*[http://www.naturalhealthcarestore.com/phdiet.htm Adjust Your Bodies pH Level With an Acid and Alkaline Balanced Diet]
*[http://www.balance-ph-diet.com/acid_alkaline_food_chart.html Acid Alkaline Food Chart]
For animals: Offer low mineralized water several times a day. Cook in low mineralized water zucchini slices, pass a few through a small strainer along with its wet food diet, to have a more alkaline pet food.
A cat's urine PH should be between 6.1 and 6.6 and a dog's PH should be between 5.2 to 6.8, if it is less there is a risk of high uric acid, cystine, and calcium oxalate crystals. Acidic urine can be the consequence of meat diet, low chloride or acidoses. On the other hand, alkaline urine can cause struvite, calcium carbonate, calcium phosphate, and can be the consequence of alkaline vegetable diet, high phosphate or bacterial infection. PH paper strips can be bought at aquarium stores for personal use. Avoid contact with litter when mesuring, and results must be checked instantaneously.
========
References (as above):
http://adam.about.com/reports/000081_7.htm
http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/sine/index.php (good PH explanation)
http://loudoun.nvcc.edu/vetonline/vet131/urinalysis.htm (more exact PH of cats and dogs)
But there is a chance that for dogs there is variations according to breed. But I don't know.
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