fibrosarcoma

My cat was diagnosed with a fibrosarcoma tumor last spring (the kind of tumor that is believed to be from vaccine injections).  We decided not to do surgery becuase it was very invasive and did not have a high sucess rate.  The tumor's size is now bigger than a plum, but smaller than a baseball.  It is on her back, below her shoulderblade.  In the last 2 days, I've noticed that it has begun to open slightly - as if she has been itching it or it is beginning to "pop" through  (I haven't seen her itch it, but I am at work during the day).  It is not an open would yet - is there anything that you know I can do to prevent it from becoming one?  Is there any type of ointment I could but on it?  I'm kind of lost on this.  I know the vet said that if the tumor opens and becomes infected, she will need to be put asleep, but I want to put that off as long as possible since she still really enjoys life.  Thanks for your help.

[Savas]

The only thing that helps with scabbing is Vaseline or a similar safe substance. Otherwise...you can ask the vet if antibiotics is safe to prevent infection, but it would only be a matter of putting off for a few weeks what's going to happen eventually if it's opening.
I'm sorry to hear your kitty is going through this, these types of tumours are frustrating to deal with, coming from a well meant shot.

[miakitty]

Thanks for the advice, I'll call my vet tomorrow.  I do realize that we only have limited time with her, but I want her to enjoy life as long as possible.  When it causes her pain, I know that we will have to put her to sleep.  Thanks again.

[indigo15]

My first kitty had the same thing many years ago, and we did have the surgery.  Unfortunately it came back faster and more aggressive than before and was the size of a softball when we decided to put him  down as he could no longer clean himself and his motion was becoming too restricted for him to function.  I use a topical homeopathic gel or cream with a calendula base.  I call it "magic" as the gel variety is safe for most skin types and heals incredibly fast.  Since this is tumor based and will continue to grow and change, it will not stop the cancer process but it might help keep her comfortable by minimizing secondary skin lesions.  Best of luck to you and love her every day that you have her.

[miakitty]

Thanks for letting me know what is to come soon.  It helps to know what to expect because there is not a lot of information out there about what to expect at this point.  Thanks again.

[daisyrose441]

I just got the new my cat had this about 4 months ago and it has spread so quickly it is the size of a baseball on his neck. The vet told me it would open up and cause an infection and as gross as this is the skin is dying so it is odorous. I have to bandage my cat like a person and clean it everyday.  My cat still eats and plays like nothing as wrong. As gross as this tumor is the surgery is so expensive with not a good chance of survival. I opted not to do the surgery and they told me as long as I can handle the grossness of the tumor and as long as my cat still ate and played I wouldnt have to put him down. This is a toll on me because I still see the happiness in my cats eyes Ive had him for 17 years and I cant see putting him down yet.  Its also something that is very gross to see and take care of. Even with antiobiotics the infection always comes back.  All i did was get a rabies vaccine.  Kind of disappointing that trying to keep my cat healthy caused it to kill him.

[bags47]

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with the more holistic way of handling cancers?  My cat had a very smal external tumor on her fore front paw.  As soon as I discovered it, I made an appointment and had it removed; the biospy showed grade 2 fibrous sarcoma.  She is in basically good health, eats, runs, clear eyes, good coat so I'm thinking rather than putting her through Chemo and radiation at this stage of her life (she's 15), I'm opting for weekly injectiions of acemannin along with supportive supplements.  doe anyone have any feed back on this type of treatment?

[haxorkat]

we discovered a tumor around october of last year. it's been about 6-7 months and it's now the size of a baseball. we started homeopathy around december 1st with some initial improvement of his energy but continual tumor growth. he likes his new diet though of fresh cooked fish and shrimp! he's started scratching the growth as of two days ago and it's opened up. the regular vet gave us a topical spray yesterday to help with the itching but he seems very uncomfortable at this point. atleast i felt like we were doing something positive to help him in these months with the homeopathy and diet changes, and he's gotten to have some really yummy meals and contented cuddles with us... i'm just waiting for him to give us the sign "i'm OK to go!"

[Lindamay]

My cat has 2 fibrocarcomas on her side right above her ribcage. My vet said there was a chance that the manufacturer of the vaccine might chip in on her health care. Have any of your pursued this and if so, with what results?
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[zodiacqueen]

I feel so bad for you guys, God bless all of you for having to deal with this.  This thread has upset me so much-to think that you have been good pet owners trying to do the right thing keeping your cats vaccinated to get "rewarded" with fibrosarcoma.

My heart goes out to all of you!!!

Has anyone tried to do some research on this cancer?

Hugs to all of you guys!  Lots of 'em!!

[Titanslove]

My dalmation has been fighting this cancer for 3 years. at 10 years of age he started with a lump by his hip. I left it thinking it was a fat pocket.But it got bigger and it was operated on93lb. tumor) i was devastated!!!  It came back & we took it out again. Last August was the 2nd & last surgery.  It has come back bigger and worse but I have tried everything fro Essaic water to carrot juice to anything homopathic plus giving Titan (my boy) ubrin(arthritis meds that are suppose to slow the growth of the tumor and the inflamation (inflammation). He turned 13 in Nov. of 2008. I know he has had a good life but I dont care. I will try anything to keep him comfortable. he is now starting to vomit with almost every meal but is still eating preety good & going out to the bathroom. LOVE them for as long as you can. when the time comes to say goodbye I know it will be the hardest thing in the world to do(My vet comes to my house for this-this is not the first time I will have to do this)  READ everything- try everything ask questions and call anyone and all. Hope you and your pets will find peace in knowing I am praying for you all!!Love Debbie & Titan

[mrflj]

We found a lump on our cats hind quarter a couple of years ago, and had it surgically removed.  In January of 2008, I found a pea size lump.  It has since grown.  We have decided not to put her through any other surgeries.  As of right now she is eating, playing and doing her business as usual.  When she starts showing that she is uncomfortable, we will do what is necessary.  But for now, we are enjoying every minute with her.  I am keeping an eye on it, and it hasn't opened as of yet.

Are there any ointments I can use to keep the skin for getting irritated?  Thanks for any information.

[moggymum]

My 9yr old black half siamese was diagnosed with sarcoma in February after having an operation to remove a lump the size of a ping pong ball between her shoulder blades.I was devastated when I found out the results. Within 8 weeks the lump had reappeared. The vet said they couldn`t operate again and to prepare for spending our last few months together.She is a cat that always has to be with you and spends every night on the bed glued to my side !! When the lump came back, everynight when she was sleeping with me I began massaging the lump. The lump reduced in size to a marble and is not showing through the skin. I have no idea whether this is just pure luck but I took her to the vet who was as surprised as I was as this is quite an aggressive cancer. She is very happy,eating well and not on a special diet other than a supplement of mouse or bird when she can catch one !! I think it is just wishful thinking on my part but hey why not try massaging your cats lump and if its doesn`t work you will have given your cat alot of one to one attention.I will keep you posted on her progress.

[Baylynx01]

I read your recent post with interest.  I just took my 11 yr. old half Siamese Sophie to the vet and learned that the lump I recently discovered on her left lateral tibia was probably vaccine related Fibro Sarcoma.  I have been reading up on this condition and am getting quite depressed.

My Sophie's lump is 3/4" in diameter.  The vet recommended monitoring the growth of the lump to see how quickly it increases in size.  No biopsy was done, but the vet strongly believes it is Fibro Sarcoma because it is located at the site where feline leukemia vaccines are typically administered.

I am confused because the vet said this type of cancer does not metastasize.  However, everything I'm reading indicates that this is a very aggressive cancer.  There are many accounts from pet owners who have reported the appearance of several lumps... often after surgical removal of the original lump.

I will be contacting my regular vet who administered the vaccinations to confirm the location of the injection.  I'm also thinking that I should have the lump biopsied.  If Fibro Sarcoma is confirmed, the next step will probably be a visit to an oncologist.

Sophie is a beautiful, talkative and active cat.  (I posted her photo on my profile page.)  I can't imagine her being snatched from me by cancer.  She often sleeps with me, so I will start massaging her lump.  It certainly can't hurt anything.

A brief anecdotal comment:  I mentioned to my husband recently that Sophie no longer purrs like she used to.  I've never known a cat to suddenly stop purring - hmmm... just wondering.

Thanks for listening.

[benniesmom]

If you haven't already done so, please schedule a biopsy asap, and I mean NOW.  If the lump is fibrosarcoma, you need to find out very quickly.  I just found a lump on my kitty, had the biopsy done, and found it was fibrosarcoma. Without any medical treatment, my cat is expected to have a 2 month survival time. When they say this is a fast growing cancer, I had no idea it was that fast!  It almost grows by the day, and sends out microscopic fingers that spread into the surrounding tissue, muscle and bone.  The sooner you have it diagnosed, the sooner you can have a plan. Most times, the treatment is surgery, removing the tumor and a wide section of tissue around it. Don't be shocked if they recommend removing the leg as the best chance to get rid of the cancer. They may also suggest chemo and/or radiation treatments ( - which are very expensive and last several weeks in some cases).  Although it seems like a horrible choice, many cats do well on three legs, and often they are the ones that can survive long term, because it's the best chance to remove all of the cancer. ( I was in denial about this, but I've read the studies over and over again, and often it's the best choice to beat the cancer ) There is a group on the Yahoo site for Fibrosarcoma cats and owners, and helpful info there. There is also helpful info on the Links page, by people and their kittys who have gone thru the surgery.  Like you, I've been reseaching till I could drop.  I hope this helps, please, don't delay, with this disease,a day really could make the difference and take away any choices you may have. Please do contact a specialist for the biopsy and an oncologist at a specialty hospital, who are familiar with this cancer.  Monitoring this type of tumor for growth is unimaginable.  I know this is all overwhelming, but I'm hoping that you and Sophie benefit from what I've learned. I hope this doesn't come across as harsh or hard nosed, just trying to stay strong in the face of this bad dream.  Best wishes to you both, I hope there is a good outcome for your little kitty.   :-)

[densy21]

My cat Ashley, 15, was just recently diagonsed with fibrosarcoma. We noticed a lump in between her shoulder blades about 8 months ago. I took her to the vet and of course they said surgery. They did not even know what it was at the time. Of course, I was afraid of doing surgery because she is so old and I did not want her to suffer. She acts perfectly normal. She runs, rolls, jumps, eats, drinks,. I mean if it wasnt for this massive lump on her back you wouldnt know she was sick. Anyway, I noticed last week that the lump was opening up. Im not sure if she scratched it or if it is busting open, but it worried me. So I took her to another vet and they did a biopsy. The lump is probably the size of a baseball. I know that one day I will have to make the decision to put her to sleep, but I cant make that when she is happy. She is not in any pain. So, I am going to talk with the vet monday about what options we may have but I dont know if I want to put her  through surgery, which may or may not help. Im just so confused and scared!
We will just take it day by day and I will enjoy her as much as I possibly can.

Dena

[KSA01]

Which vaccines did you have and who was their manufacturer?

[Tigger1997]

I have a Loveable 12yr old Blind cat and he is so sweet but we received the results today at 9:00 that he has fibrosarcoma. I just stood and cryed !!! I was given the option for surgery but the doctor told me that it would not do any good because the tumers would just return, it would be better just to allow Tigger to live his life out with a good time. So I have decide do just love him and allow him to live his life out as God see it. Please pray for our loving animals!
God Bless

[Dee1241]

My 13 yr old male cat was diagnosed today with fibrosarcoma.  She had a tumor on his lower right leg.  This is not vaccine realated which the vet said wuld be worse.  She said we need to keep an eye on him to see if a growth reappears.  If there are not any issues with the lungs when it grows back then they said they culd amputate his leg.  If lung involvement then there will not be anything they could do.  He was acting and still is like nothing is wrong and if things change then we will further investigat.  

[Nana997]

My cat (9 years old right now) had his first surgery for fibro sarcoma in September 2008.  They had to remove one of his toes.  My vet had contacted an oncologist to see if removing the entire leg would prevent re-occurrence. The oncologist said that because this type of cancer is so aggressive, it may have already spread cells, so it was in no way a guarantee the cancer wouldn't come back else where.  We decided not to amputate.  Radiation and chemotherapy were suggested, but statistically would only lengthen his life by 6 months.  For only 6 more months and considering the pain of the treatment, we opted not to do it.
One year later, September 2009, a small lump appeared on his shoulder, just below the shoulder blade.  Right now it is the size of a tennis ball.  He has began to show signs of pain and is close to us making "the decision".  I have read so much online about pain and the one thing I want to say I have learned from it is that cats hide pain as a survival technique.  Just because they are not showing signs of pain, doesn't mean they are not in pain.  Enjoy your cats for as long as you possibly can...this is a terribly devastating cancer.  My heart truly goes out to each and everyone of you as I am dealing with the heartbreak same as all of you.

[Jaimie_2000]

6 weeks ago my cat was dignosed with fibrosarcom after the vet cut out a tumor by her thumb. 2 weeks later we did the chest xrays and there was nothing there. Yesterday I took her in and she now has 2 more lumps one her thumb again and one on her ribs. The one her thumb , she has chewed half way off. The vet said she could cut her leg off but in 2 weeks we might be in the same place again. I have decided no more surgery or kemo as my studies show it doesn't not do anything but make the last days miserable. But I am concerned that the chewing will cause the cancer to spread or she might bleed to death while I am at work. The vet gave me some ointment to stop her from chewing but it hasn't. We have tried wrapping her paw but she always gets it off. If I could get her to stop chewing she might live another 8 months to a year, but if she doesn't I will be faced with my biggest fear, and I feel I don't have the right to end her life. Just the thought of it tears me up. I fear coming home from work, afraid I will find her ....Right now my mind is racing to help her but I can not come with anything.  Please does anyone have any ideas on how to make her stop chewing?

[kiirab]

PLEASE READ: I am writing this to make you more aware of the consequences and care of vaccine-associated fibrosarcomas in cats. I am a 23 year old college student. My cat, Reverie, is 5 years old. In January 2009 she received a routine rabies vaccine that left a small welt under then skin. The vet said, "Call if it is still there in 2 weeks." It was still there and two weeks turned into months. In May 2009, I took her to a different vet (while still consulting with the vet that gave her the vaccine) because I moved to Austin, TX when I got accepted to UT. Upon reflection, I SHOULD HAVE DONE MY OWN RESEARCH. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HER TO AN ONCOLOGIST. Instead, I went to a vet close by that could get me in quickly, they said it needed to be removed ASAP, and she had surgery a week later. The biopsy confirmed a vaccine-associated Fibrosarcoma. The lump returned in 3 weeks, while the horrible stitches from the surgery had yet to finish healing. I thought the tumor might slow down or even stop growing, but it did not take long to see that the rate at which the tumor grows is exponential. In February 2010 I took my cat to a new, highly recommended, and high rated (on Yelp.com) vet. They referred me to Capital Area Veterinary Specialists-Texas Veterinary Oncology. They told me my options: (aggressive) Surgery, Chemo, and Radiation or some combination of two. But, the rate of a successful SECOND surgery is very, very low. They also told me what to expect if I did not pursue the surgery route. WHAT TO EXPECT: the tumor will continue to grow. It will grow so rapidly that the skin will begin to rupture. It will continue to grow out in all directions, including outside of her skin, and an open wound will result. The OPEN WOUND will/can get INFECTED. I expected the rupturing of the skin would be a least a year away, but once again, I was wrong. I said before that these tumor grow at exponential rates, and when I returned to the vet this week, my suspicions were confirmed. It is July 2010. On 2/12 the tumor was 7.5 X 4 cm in diameter. On 7/13 the tumor was 13 X 10 cm. They took a chest X-ray to see if the cancer had spread to her lungs yet (an indication that it has most-likely spread into other vital organs as well). Her lungs were fine and healthy. She is still eating and until yesterday, she was walking around. She is wearing a little SHIRT that the vet made (Tube-like cloth with two arm holes cut out). It looks like a baby's onesie. It helps to keep her from licking the wound and helps control/absorb the fluid that is leaking from it. She also got a shot with 2 weeks worth of antibiotics to help with the infection and the smell (I can tell it has started working already). Because I am not considering surgery at this point, the doctor told me what I can do. Because the wound will NEVER HEAL, I can give her pain medication and antibiotics. She will wear her little shirts, and I will change them daily (at the very least). I can apply a clean, warm towel to her wound if she allows me to do so, to help with the scabbing and crusting over that will occur. And that is it. I am guessing that the final step, euthanasia, will have to happen when she can no longer eat, the wound is affecting her mobility, or the cancer spreads to her other organs (whichever comes first). As of now she is comfortable and eating, still eager and birght-eyed for treats and getting petted. Personally, I am scared to death and have been sick to my stomach since I took her to the vet this week. I simply want her to enjoy her remaining time and be comfortable. I try to keep my mood elevated when I'm near her because I know she can sense my moods. I want my little girl to be happy. I just want to put my story out there and into the world. I want to inform other people and raise awareness of this horrible condition and consequence of vaccinations, as well as the lack of information and concern from some of our vets. I want people to know they aren't alone. I want more people to become aware of this devastating result. But most of all, I want to know that I am not alone. I am glad I found this on-going discussion. It is honest. I hate to think that this post will mark a moment in time; a moment in time that will exist indeterminately while my lovely kitty won't. My heart is broken, for Reverie, and for every person who has or will have to endure this painful kind of experience. (Feel free to re-post this anywhere and everywhere you desire). I love you, Reverie. Forever and always. Love, kiira. xoxo

[opus88]

thankyou so much for bringing this to everyones attention. I am so sorry for your poor kitty, that is so sad for him and for you, we do the vac's thinking we are doing whats right for our pets only to discover thats not necessarily the case, there can be horrible consequences to these vaccine's that Vets don't like to acknowledge.
I too urge everyone to do their research than make up their own minds.

I do hope Reverie and you will have some quality time together for as long as possible. I can understand how scared to death you must feel and rightly so.I think you have made the right decision and not pursue the trauma of the extensive surgery, it would buy Reverie a little more time but at such a physical and emotional cost.
That poor little darling. I feel so bad for him and for you too.
My heart goes out to you both.

Please continue to update us on his condition

[Jaimie_2000]

I still have not found a way to stop my cat from chewing on her tumbors but I have found in the past few days there are ways to reduce, shrink, and even make the tumors go away using herbs and vitamins. I googled "shrinking fibrosarcoma tumors" and am amazed there is so much information. The vet doesn't offer any info so I will continue to research, however the vet does listen to me and make suggestion and is helping me research dosages for my cat as all the dosages listed on the web or on the herbs only offer human dosages.
I have also learned that betacarotine is good to fight the cancer as it helps improve the immune system and has lots of antioxidants in it. I also added a multivitamine to her diet. After 3 days she is back up socializing and even tries to play.
I can't just sit and watch this happen to her. I feel I must try so if anyone has any input or reseach to share I would appreciate it. I may not find the cure but aleast I will know I made her qaulity of life the best I could. Then again, maybe our combine efforts will find a way to put this in remission or cure it. We will never till we try.

[Jaimie_2000]

We will never know till we try.

[Nana997]

The only way I have found to stop the licking and chewing is an Elizabethian Collar.  My boy has to wear it every time his wound opens.  When it stops bleeding and seems to be ok,, I remove it; I don't want him to remember the end of his life wearing that thing, nor do I want to remember him that way.  Sorry I don't have better advice.  And by the way, just for the record, my boy's Fibrosarcoma is not vaccine related.  Must be hereditary.

[opus88]

Hi, I will try to do a proper reply asap. meanwhile just wanted you both to check out this website....a much more humane collar.
http://www.bitenot.com/index.html

[opus88]

sorry I can't much for helpful advice. yes I do believe betacarnitine (Vit C) could be useful in helping fight the cancer.
Can I also suggest Lactoferrin (apolactoferrin) capsules for the immune systemm
brands to use
-Jarrow
-Life Extension capsules
-Symbiotics 100% lacotferrin

I have read alot of good reports on using this. I get all my products from this company
http://www.iherb.com/Symbiotics-Lactoferrin-100-60-Capsules/4088?at=0

[Nana997]

Unfortunately it's nearly too late to order another collar.  I will definitely keep that website in my favorites; I have other animals.  So, thank you for that.  My boy is at his end though, I know he is.  His wound has been bleeding consistently for this being day three.  I am going to call Monday about him for another opinion, although I already know the answer.  Yesterday, while petting him, he grabbed my arm and looked into my eyes.  He wouldn't let my arm go, he just kept staring at me.  He is very listless and his lameness is coming to the point of being inhibiting.  I cry every day knowing the end is near.

My heart truly goes out to all of you experiencing this and thank you for all your replies and your stories and advice.  I know for me it has been a comfort, a shoulder.

[opus88]

Oh Nana I am so sorry, believe me we have all been through this horrible path ourselves. Its so darn hard to let go without the quilt. But in the end we are the ones who need to make the call and know when to say enough is enough and tell them a tearful goodbye.
You're poor baby, this cancer in pets as well as humans is so heartbreaking.
I wish you both all the best on the journey, he knows you tried you're very best for him and that he's been well loved.....so heartbreaking too for him to look deep into your eyes and say his thankyous and goodbyes.
my heart goes out to you....-(   ♥

[Jaimie_2000]

Sorry to hear that Nana, he loves you very much and appreciates what you have done for him. I feel your heart as I cry everyday with Smokey and pray alot.  I pray God will bless you and that your boy will be without pain or suffering.
Smokey's tumor wasn't vaccine related either and the Vet say's this whole thing is bizzare. She is too young for it to be someting in her genes and it has been too long since her shots, she said even the area where it came up is just abnormal. They are completely stumped. I 've been giving her the multi vitamin, betacaritine, and flaxoil. The vet gives her steriods and antibiotics. My Smokey's tumor was dying and detaching itself and it seemed we were going to win, then it became infected. My choices were amputation or put her down. She is so full of life so I opted for the surgery and set a date of August 10. Aug. 12th I brought her home. She is walking some but I was happier to see her eating, drinking and the litter box is being used. She is still alittle weak but is trying to get back to normal. The vet saw no signs of cancer nodules in the surgery.

[opus88]

jamie did kitty have his foot removed in the surgery?...poor baby, I'm so glad at least there were no cancer nodules seen, that is good news!! now we all have to work to keep him healthy.
just wanted to also mention that here on MedHelp there is a holistic care for pets forum, I don't know what all you can learn from this site but its worth a look...it also gives a listing of archives for further references...hope this helps.

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Cancer-in-Pets/show/376

♥Opus

[Jaimie_2000]

Yes we had to remove the leg as the tumor became infected. The Vet said removal at the elbow was too conservative so we removed the whole leg.  I am prayer the worst is over since the Vet didn't see any cancer nodules at the incision site. However I am getting mixed advice about how cancer spreads, my Vet say's it moves thru the bloodstream were as another Vet I consulted said it does not, that rather it speads like a root system till it reaches the lungs.  It has been 3 days since the surgery, Smokey is sleeping alot. She gets up to eat, drink, and visit the litter box then goes back to sleeping which could be anywhere so I don't sleep much in order to make sure it is not in the litterbox. She is wearing a vest (wrap) for 7 days then it will be removed. (I don't like wraps) then in 3 days after that she will get her stitches out. Thanks for the link I will look into it. I really appreciated all the help.

[opus88]

http://www.geocities.com/~kremersark/protocol.html

jamie, I'm happy to hear from you. this is a site that quotes medical journals. move the mouse around each diff. study and some will open up info others aren't very informative, I've tried to do some reading, perhaps you will do more research there?

one bit of info I did find says that Fibrosarcomas NOT associated with vaccines(spontaneously forming) do NOT appear to be as aggressive.

I will keep searching for info on how this tumor spreads.

Its good that Smokey is sleeping alot and eating drinking normally....poor little one.
I will update you as I find sites. ok

[opus88]

I will give you another site with info, hope all this reading helps.

http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefibro.html

♥Opus

[opus88]

me again, gotta quit now but just wanted to send you a link to an interesting find...its for VAS Amputees..(vaccine associated sarcomas)....I know Smokies isn't vac related, but still same sarcoma, this will update you on how others who have had similar amputations and how they are making out...
♥Opus

[Nana997]

I am glad to hear your cat is doing better.  It's a shame they had to amputate the whole leg.  My vets oncologist partner told me that taking my boy's whole leg wouldn't guarantee it wouldn't come back elsewhere.  I hope it works out for you, I really do.  My boy had his toe removed and all surrounding tissue back in September 2008.  The cancer reappeared on his shoulder 11 months later.  In my case my vet was right, it still came back somewhere else.  I was told it was odd that it came back so far from the first site.  I guess that is why most feel the amputation is the way to go.
My boy had to be put down on August 12th.  He went very quickly and peacefully.
I wish you many more years with your cat.

[edera]

My cat, Luna, had a vaccine related sarcoma removed a week and a half ago (she had had surgery for this two years earlier, when she was in the shelter I got her from).  
This time, it was a really extensive surgery, but they say she is doing well.  I have to keep her from moving much so the skin doesn't pull apart.  She had stitches and staples removed yesterday.  But there's an area of skin that's been stretched a lot and isn't so healthy.  I was told just to watch that it doesn't start bleeding a lot, but I would really like more information on what it means that the skin isn't healthy and may be dying.  Does anyone know about this?  What happens?  Is there anything that can be done?  Does it heal?
I'm so sorry for everyone who has told their story about the tumor getting so huge, and then what happens.  I know this will probably happen to us down the road, and I appreciate your honesty.  I couldn't get a straight answer from the vet on what would happen without surgery, or if / when it comes back.

[opus88]

hi dear I am so glad to hear your kitty is doing well after this extensive surgery...poor baby.
by your description it sounds like some of the skin that was stretched to cover the surgical wound is dying due to lack of blood supply...if this is the case it too may need to be removed surgically to promote healing or the area.
Or the doctor may just need to do what they call debriding (probably spelled it wrong) which consists of scraping off the area to promote a new growth of skin.
so yes watch it carefully.......I am hoping that this will heal and your poor kitty wont need more surgery.
please post again and let us know how she is doing...we care here...good luck♥

[edera]

Thanks for the support - and for the information about the dying skin.  I sure hope Luna doesn't need more surgery.  She's been so brave and sweet during this whole thing, and I hate to think of cutting her up again.  Debriding sounds better - and what I'm really hoping is that maybe somehow there is health skin forming underneath the damaged area.
I guess it's a matter of time to see what happens.  She starts chemo in a bit over a week, so if her skin is not ok at that point, I imagine they'll let me know.  

[opus88]

oh the poor little angel, chemo is such a devastating treatment to endure for us as well as animals...I truly wish her all the best. I am including a site that may help you with information(I hope).
http://www.felinelymphomacaregivers.org/cases.html

I have also read alot about the herb turmeric being used to help with chemo treatments. I will try to find more on that if you are interested let me know...this is used both internally and externally....

please be sure and feed her a good wet food diet and most important that it is GRAIN FREE. I can give you some good brands.
EVO, WELLNESS for two.

dr Osborne has a journal on diets for animals with cancer and worth a read.

http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/227913/Paleolithic-Diets-Benefit-Dogs-and-Cats-with-Cancer-?personal_page_id=861539

please keep us updated and we'd be happy to help in anyway we can....bless you both ♥

[edera]

Thanks for your helpful suggestions.  Luna won't eat wet food - I've tried the types you've mentioned, so I've been giving her Innova dry, which I guess is better than other dry foods.  She loves it, and I decided to let her enjoy her food rather than struggling to get her to eat the wet food (which my vet had also recommended).
Anyway, I've just had unbelievably terrible news.  Luna stopped being interested in food (even the dry stuff she loved) this morning, and seemed rather lethargic.  She even let me put her in the cat carrier without a fight.  I took her to the ER at the place where they had done her surgery - something told me to cancel my work appointments.  They did a chest x-ray and it seems she's possibly having heart failure, and a blood count has revealed very bad anemia and a very high white blood count.  This is such a shock, since all was normal about 10 days ago.  Their first look at the cells suggests that she now has leukemia - just out of the blue!!!  They're sending the blood for a pathology analysis, and they're going to squeeze in an emergency consult with the cardiologist later tody.  If her heart is strong enough, they will give her a blood transfusion!
I'm beside myself.  Luna seemed to be recovering so well, and now it seems she's at death's door.
I've been told they could possibly do chemo for the leukemia, as well as (instead of?) for the fibrosarcoma, but I don't know what that will accomplish.  Do you have any idea of the success rate of that type of chemo?  
At this point, maybe I should just bring her home and let her be surrounded by love for what may be the last days of her short sweet life.  It's hard to know if "helping" is actually helping any more.

[opus88]

oh hon I am so sorry to hear the latest news about Luna, oh gosh that is so darn heartbreaking for you and for her too, she has been such a fighter and been through so much in the last 2 years....
I'm notsure what to tell you, I personally haven't had to deal with this in my cats, I hope others here will join in if they have any suggestions..... all I know is what I've read and its not good hon. these fibrosarcomas tend to return after surgery within a 2 yr period and they tend to return with a vengeance, the second time being harder and less successful to treat..also now poor little Luna has leukemia as well to battle.
she hasn't been dealt a good hand in life other than to find you for a pet mommy who loves her so very much and was willing to give her every chance in life that you could.
however hon, IMO there comes a time when we are going beyond whats in the pets best interests....believe me all of us have been there too..did the first site I gave you at feline fibrosarcomas give you insight into outcomes?

Is it fair to put her through all the chemo('s) which in itself can dole out devastating side effects to the body,  to only be buying her maybe a few more months(don't know what the Vet has given you for a prognosis?).
I sure don't want to tell you what to do or to sound so negative, but I do urge you to read all you can and make a decision for whats best for Luna....

we are here to help you every step of the way for what ever you decide hon....I just ask to be very sure Luna isn't suffering...I'm sure both you and your Vet are taking all measures possible for pain control for the dear little baby.
You have been a wonderful caring mommy. I will look and see if I can find any sites that can answer more of your questions...all my best to you both♥

[edera]

Thanks again for your support and help.  I just got back from spending a  few hours with Luna at the hospital.  I just don't understand it, but she's apparently also got heart problems on top of all the rest.  It was a hard decision, but I decided that the last thing I'm putting her through is  a blood transfusion tonight.  In the best case, it will jump start her own bone marrow into making more red cells, but I think that is only a very slim chance.  What I'm realistically (?) hoping for is a couple of days at home when she feels well enough to be herself.  They said that the transfusion usually makes them feel better for a short time.  I almost brought her home tonight, but I thought if she could feel happy one more time that would be worth it.  I hope I'm doing the right thing.  This is so difficult.

[opus88]

oh this is so sad to read hon, I can hear the love you have for Luna in your words. You are right dear...this is soooo hard. we are trying to make decisions for a loved one that has given us unconditional love, we want to do all we are able to do....but need to know when its enough too...anytime we do whats in the best interests of anyone its never a wrong decision. your heart is in the right place.
gosh I hope you do get those few more days...weeks even with dear Luna, they will be heart wrenching for you but also a time to say all the goodbyes you need to do.
(((hugs to you both))) keep us posted.♥

[kiirab]

My heart goes out to you and Luna. I am so sorry for all that you have both been going through. =(

[edera]

A quick message with an update.  Luna is home - the transfusion really helped.  I've been able to watch her enjoy eating again, getting scratched on her neck and to hear her purring.  It's day by day, but she's actually more alert for now.  We had a scare yesterday - took her to the vet, thinking it might have been the end, but they gave her an injections of lasix for fluids in her lungs and she's more alert than ever.  I'll keep you posted.

[opus88]

Oh that is such good news hon, to have her back home and doing well for any length of time is so precious..
does she have fluid on the lungs is that why the lasix?.....
my love to you both, give her a big ((((hug)))) from us okay..♥

[edera]

Hi again.  Yes, Luna has fluid on her lungs.  But - she's still here!  She's very weak, but enjoys her food (she doesn't eat much, but she seems to like it), and she still purrs when we rub her neck.  She's actually a bit better than when I took her in last Wed, but I know not to expect too much.  I'm just so grateful to have this extra time with her.
Do you know anything about leukemia in cats that's not the usual feline leukemia?  Everything I've seen on line seems to relate to the FLV.

[opus88]

good girl Luna, keep up the fight, we are all pulling for you dear.

I think the leukemia you are referring to would be Lymphoid Leukemia?
all I could find about this is also associated with FeLv. but there is more reading on this Veterinarian site that may answer some of your questions....

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htm

[edera]

We're still here!  Thanks - I'll have a look at the website.

[Claire1978]

My daughter's 6-year old cat was diagnosed with fibrosarcoma in March 2010.  Her veterinarian did not perform a biopsy until after he'd removed the original tumor, which was in the hip area.  When he gave us the results, he suggested we take her to an oncologist, which we did, and had a CT taken which showed that it had already spread along the entire inner wall of the tumor site.  One of the surgeons at the oncologist facility regretfully declined performing surgery as she said there was no way she'd be able to get all of it and even one tiny little cell remaining would mestacisize (sp?).  The only options we had were chemotherapy and radiation, which would do nothing but buy her a little more time.  My daughter elected to just let her live whatever time she had left without the stress and anxiety of undergoing treatments.  Kitty did very well for several months thereafter with no signs of being ill, but in time the tumor reappeared (in the same spot) and continued to grow somewhat rapidly.  It wasn't until just a couple months ago that she began limping on her hind leg on the tumor side and we could see that the leg was becoming swollen or larger.  From that point on, she began going rapidly downhill.  It got to the point where she had no use of her leg and it just dragged when she walked.  We could see that the tumor was also spreading underneath near her stomach area and across her hind area.  In the last couple of weeks, she became completely inactive, just lying down 24/7, and had difficulty walking at all.  However, she didn't exhibit any signs of being in pain until just a couple days ago, when she began howling when being picked up.  We knew then that her time had come and we took her last night.  The thing we don't know yet is whether she had the vaccine-related or genetical fibrosarcoma, and this is an issue we now need to clarify as my daughter also has her sibling sister born of the same litter.  My question is, is the oncologist able to determine from the tests run which type of fibrosarcoma she had?  My heart goes out to all of those who have lost beloved pets as it's just so hard to let go.  I myself have a (so far) happy, healthy, and still active 16, soon to be 17, year old kitty, and it breaks my heart just knowing that she doesn't have too many years ahead of her.

[edera]

My heart goes out to you Claire, and your daughter.  We just put our beloved Luna to sleep last night as well.  She couldn't stand, and let out a few very destressed cries, and became mostly unresponsive. We knew it was time.  
Luna died of an additional leukemia cancer, not the original fibrosarcoma - which they do believe was vaccine related. With regard to your kitty, I believe it would be possible to tell what type of cancer she had.  You might need to get a pathology analysis, since I don't think they can tell what type of cells are involved otherwise.  If you want to do this, you need to be sure you still have a sample of tissue and/or blood, as I understand it.  
Again, I'm so sorry for your loss - we totally understand the pain you're experiencing.  It sounds like you did the best you could to let your kitty know how much you loved her.
Good luck.

[edera]

I just want to say a special thanks to you for being there and offering so much thoughtful support in these last weeks.  I guess you saw the post I just sent in, so you know we lost our beloved Luna last night.  She had hung in there as long as she could, but then clearly reached a point when we knew her time had come.  
We miss her very much!!

[opus88]

Oh edera I am so sorry to read this sad news this morning, poor little Luna she was much to young to die....darn cancer anyway!!!
Of course you miss her hon, and will for a long time...but be comforted to know you did all you could for her..this disease was just too savage. You didn't prolong her suffering, you did the right thing. thats all we can ever do isn't it, love them, protect them, provide medical care and know when its time to let go.
She knows she was loved and will be there forever in a little place in your heart....♥RIP dear Luna...

[Claire1978]

Thank you so much, Edera, for your kind words, and please accept my condolences for the loss of your beloved kitty also. This is such a horrible and tragic disease!  I will have my daughter check with her vet/oncologist re the possibility of determining the type of fibrosarcoma her kitty had.  But that is something we will have to tackle down the road when she is better able to handle it, because the truth is my daughter knows absolutely nothing about the relationship between this devastating cancer and vaccines because she did not research it as I did, and I'm reluctant to share this with her just yet in her delicate emotional state as I fear it may result in her blaming herself for having had her kitties vaccinated.  It is obvious that the professionals (vets/oncologists, etc.) are reluctant to inform patients of this potential risk with vaccines and/or to admit that their pet's fibrosarcoma could have resulted from a vaccine as they certainly never even hinted at this possibility to either my daughter or myself when we took our kitties for their annual vaccinations!  Is there a specific vaccine that causes it or is it a risk from every vaccine??  If it has been proven to be a specific vaccine, I'm wondering if a class action suit has been considered or even possibly already filed against the manufacturer of the vaccine?  Of course, getting that information from one's vet may present a problem as I'm sure they'd be reluctant to part with it.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "sue happy" people, but being in the legal profession, my brain automatically looks at the legal aspects of everything!  :)

[opus88]

sorry Claire that I didn't reply to your post earlier and wish you and your daughter my deepest sympathies on the loss of your dear kitty also...................
How little we all know about the down sides of these vaccines that we continue to subject our kitties too...I do know that in some areas a rabies vac is law.

I will copy out for your information what I know and this is quoted from a holistic book that I follow for my kitties...."Whole Health for Happy Cats' by Sandy Aora

" there are 3 types of vaccines: live,modified live and killed.
most cat vaccines fall into the modified live catagory, although there are at least 3 killed vacs in use. all three types work the same way, but they're prepared differently. theres alot of controversy about their use and side effects.
several strains of vacs still under research and are considered lower risk, such as transdermal, oral and intranasal preparation.....talk to your Vet about these options..

AT THIS TIME, only the RABIES (VRCP) and the FELINE LEUKEMIA VIRUS (FeLV) are a KILLED VIRUS.
a killed virus needs the addition of an ADJUVANT to give the immune system a poke because it doesn't contain the virus that the live ones do.
UNFORTUNATELY ITS THESE ADJUVANTS THAT CAUSE THE TUMORS AT THE INJECTION SITE.
one of the culprits is aluminum hydroxide used in the adjuvant material."

theres more printed, but that I think answers your immediate question..

even a modified-live virus contains tiny amounts of the actual virus and can cause mild symptoms or the disease, also some cats can have an allergic reaction to the vac. such reaction typically occurs 1/2-24hrs after and can be life threatening. anaphylactic reactions come on quickly. and need immediate emergency care...watch for vomiting and agitation.

quote
" it boils down to risk versus reward. both rabies and FeLv are transmitted by direct contact with an infected animal. the risk for indoor only cats the risk outweighs the reward!"
"If youdo decide to vaccinate AVOID COMINATION VACCINES, known as mulivalents. b/c they involve too many antigens going into the system at one time."

heres some advice that is under alot of controversy. but what I will choose to follow with my own...!!!

THE NATURE OF HEALING by Dr. Martin Goldstein
he recommends only one vaccine for indoor cats. he suggests giving kittens at 10-12 wks or age a single(not a combo) for feline panleukopenia (FPV) b/c in his words "its the ONLY vaccine thats proven to be somewhat effective"
for outdoor cats he recommends ONE RABIES shot with NO boosters b/c A SINGLE SHOT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO PROTECT A CAT FOR LIFE
this isn't what we get told by our Vets is it......

there has been alot written in the holistic journals that the main reason Vets push for annual vacs is to bring in continued business. also in their defense it also gives our Vets a chance to do a physical exam that pets may not otherwise receive..

another book dicusses how risky and unnecessary boosters are.
SMALL DOES OF SMALL ANIMALS: HOmeopathy for cats and dogs by Dr. Hamilton he concurs with dr. Goldstein and suggests a SINGLE FPV shot for kittens and a SINGLE RABIES SHOT(if you must meet a legal requirement)

these Vets all discuss the negative long term side effects of these vaccines. and if you are concerned about this issue these books are a great resource.

they all go on to advise "a cat with a compromised immune system should NEVER be given a vaccine which include cats with FeLV,FIP,OR FIV...and cats suffering from an upper respiratory illness, or cats undergoing cancer treatments or pregnant cats as they can cause birth defects.."

As you can see I too am very passionate about this subject...

this site gives more reading that may interest you. sorry I don't know of any legal actions that have ever been perused. there is a dr. here in Canada Dr. Jones who has lost his license recently for speaking out about Pet foods and Vaccines...I can send you his site if you are interested(?)
thanks for your interest and again my sympathies for the loss of your daughters kitty.

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00389.htm

[Claire1978]

Thank you so much, Opus, for your detailed and informative reply!  I so appreciate the time you took to educate me a little on this subject.  I understand it so much better now and know what to look for, but are vets willing to give us all this information about the vaccines they are administering to our pets?  I have taken the "no more vaccines" approach to my 16-year old as, at her age, I simply won't put her at any further risk than those already facing an elderly cat.  In our state, the rabies vaccine for dogs is a law.  I'm not sure about cats until recently the city in which I live passed a law requiring cats to be licensed, and I'm pretty sure licensing requires them to be current on all their vaccines, which, of course, would include rablies (I have no intention of doing this to my elderly kitty!).  I still need to know whether or not my daughter's oncologist will be able to tell us from the tests he ran whether her kitty's fibrosarcoma was vaccine-related or genetic?  Someone here mentioned they thought that could only be determined by a pathologist testing kitty's tissue or blood.  But kitty is now gone and I don't know if her oncologist took or kept tissue samples.  My daugher, of course, will be the one who will need to look into this, but as I mentioned earlier, I am reluctant to share all that I have learned about fibrosarcoma of which she has absolutely no knowledge until she is better able to handle it. Again, thank you so much for your help!  :)

[Kf48]

Hello, I'm new to the site, and have been reading all the posts.  I too found out my cat has fibro sarcoma and am devestated, especially since it didn't need to happen.  What is so horrible to me is that I was not informed of any possible danger in getting this done (leukemia vaccination) and if I was told this, I would NOT have had my cat vaccinated.  I believe that it's the vet's responsibility as well as the pharmaceuticals to give out the information to people prior to getting their pet's vaccinated so they can make a well informed decision.  I would think there should be a law suit to protect these innocent victims of any more suffering and pain.

[opus88]

hi K and welcome to our site...I am so sorry to hear about your kitty, unfortunately this is becoming all too familiar. I agree ppl need to be informed and aware of the risks involved with some of these vaccinations......
Are you going to be treating the cancer or has it advanced too far for this option?....either way I'm sure you will keep him/her comfortable as possible and with you for as long as possible while always considering his or her bests interests.
Again I am so very sorry...sending you both some gentle ((hugs)) and prayers..♥Opus

[Kf48]

Thanks for your kind words and prayers.  I'm still in shock and trying to get information as I only found out a few days ago.  She had xrays and a CT scan yeterday and everything looks good, however, what is the best option?  I have nothing to compare and my personal vet can't really give me information on what the best treatment would be.  The vet at the school said radical surgery, amputation and radiation would give her the chance, but if her survial rate is the same as radiation alone, why would I do that?  Does any one have any information on the prognosis of this sort?  My poor kitty is so traumatized already, so do I want to have her go through all this for a few months??? She's 10 years old and healthy.

[opus88]

I'm not much for help with answering your questions...it must be a very hard decision to have to make, all I can say is study your options and learn all you can. I will help by steering you towards a few previous posts and websites that I can find...
this one has alot of info on it as far as treatments and outcomes from a Veterinary conference BUT its dated 10 years ago. I would still use it as a reference point to get started, hopefully there are more and even better treatments avail now...

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00389.htm

heres another site where an oncologist is quoted as saying amputation will work to prevent metastasis (spread) in about 50% of cases.
Where is your kitties tumor located? on a leg or hip I am assuming.

http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefibro.html

good luck with the reading and please let us know if this has been of any help to you in making a decision.....just keep us posted and updated please, we are here to try and help in anyway we can...♥

[Kf48]

Yes, the tumor was on her upper leg.  I talked to a friend who's a vet and asked her opinion on the options I was given.  She said she's had 3 cases of fibrosarcoma in 26 years and has successfully treated 2 of them.  Apparently, since it is a recurring and quickly growing tumor, its important to get it out quickly and with a wide margin.  She also said that she needed to go in a few times, but both kittys are doing fine.  I believe that's how I'm going to treat my cat instead of amputation/radiation.  I want to keep her quality of life as good as I can for the remainder of her time. The vet's I consulted with couldn't give me an amount of time that I felt would be worth compromising her quality of life and all the Dr's visits it would entail. I'll keep her as comfortable as I can and will visit my Dr friend if and when I feel a lump in that spot. I love my cats and will do whatever I can for them in their best interest.  It's been an agonizing few days, but I finally feel at peace with my decision.  Thanks for all your help and just writing all this has certainly helped.

[kiirab]

K, I completely agree with you! I was furious when I found out that my kitty's tumor was a result of a rabies vac. We should be informed! We are the consumers, and our animals lives are at stake. I just wanted you to know that I understand and agree with your every word. Kiira (KiiraB)

[opus88]

K, I'm confused....you said the tumor WAS on her upper leg. does this mean you did have it removed and just aren't going ahead with an amputation?....

I can't help but agree if thats the course you've chosen, I think I would do the same. amputation and chemo has to be very hard on an animal and with fibrosarcoma being such an aggressive form of cancer that that tends to return with a vengeance shortly afterwards. It sometimes is in their best interests that we parents just keep them loved and as comfortable as possible for their remaining time with us.
As with ppl life has to be measured by quality vs. quantity. IMO

I do have a holistic site I can send you, a renoun holistic Vet that works with your Vet to treat the tumor only with NO amputation and NO chemo. let me know if you or your Vet are interested....good luck and tons of hugs...stay with us and keep us posted ok.

Kirrab...I agree.

[chemicalstar]

I have recently researched about fibrosarcoma and how it develops in cats because a couple of days ago I felt a small lump right on the middle of my 1 year old cat's chest. The lump was not there a week ago, and it suprised me how fast it developed. I took my cat to the vet, and he took an X-ray and it showed that one bone in the middle of the ribcage (i have no idea about what it is called) is tilted outwards in the end. Now, I am sure that my cat didn't have this a week ago, but seeing the state of the bone and the fact that it stood apart from the rest of the bone seemed to suggest my cat was hurt and his bone was misplaced (not broken) and the lump that can be felt so easily is actually the bone poking out a little without hurting the tissue.

My vet also took some blood but he is certain that this is not cancer  so he didn't do a biopsy. I am asking you guys whether this sounds similar to any of your experience with fibrosarcoma? Does it cause bones to be misplaced or does this lump sound like the result of an impact the cat might have suffered from (by hitting the corner of a table or failing a jump like he always does) like my vet suggests? Thank you for your attention and I do hope that everything turns out the best for all our cats.

[chemicalstar]

Just a small addition, thanks to the itnernet I learnt that the bone is called Sternum and the part that is misplaced in my cat is called xiphoid process. Sorry about the double post, not sure if I can edit my previous.

[Kf48]

Hi there... had to have some downtime after I got over the shock from finding out about my kitty's illness and all the feelings that go along with it, the guilt, sadness... I'm feeling better and now ready to move forward and deal with her cancer.  So to answer your question about the amputation, no, I am not going to do that.  The vet school clinic's tretament plan was to have 19 treatments of radiation (daily), send her home for 2 weeks and then bring her back for a radical amputation of her leg and part of her pelvis.  I talked to a vet who is also a friend and she recommended I do nothing.  I'll bring her in when the tumor comes back for removal if it hasn't spread (I had it removed about 3 weeks ago) .  My kitty's regular vet said we can also do a procedure called "debulking", so removing the tumor as it grows.   That treatment is just to make kitty more comfortable.  She also said that she didn't think my cat would do well with all those treatments so she's happy that I'm not doing the radical surgery.  I'm also thinking about accupuncture for pain if needed.  I've talked to a few people who have gone through this with their furry friend and ultimately, pain management and controlling the tumor as long as possible is the way I'm going to go for my little girl.  I would LOVE to have a link or information on holistic treatment.   Please reply with it.  Thanks for all your help and suggestions!

[elle74]

Hi all. My cat's fibrosarcoma has returned after 11 mon. The first time he had surgery. But now its back. The oncologist says it will keep coming back. I decided not to put him thru surgery, chemo and rad. He is on cancer diet. Vet recommends evo. Then we will try herbs. I'm hoping tumor will shrink or stop growing and give us more time together. I've read all of your posts. They've been really helpful. Thank you.

[elle74]

Hi all. My cat's fibrosarcoma has returned after 11 mon. The first time he had surgery. But now its back. The oncologist says it will keep coming back. I decided not to put him thru surgery, chemo and rad. He is on cancer diet. Vet recommends evo. Then we will try herbs. I'm hoping tumor will shrink or stop growing and give us more time together. I've read all of your posts. They've been really helpful. Thank you.

[Tigger04022011]

We had to say good bye to ourTigger today.  He was an amazing 18 year old striped gray tabby.  He came to us when he was about 1 year old and had been clearly abandoned; skin had grown in around the collar on his neck and you could see his ribs.  We took him to a vet and long story short he ended up being a wonderful, healthy, plump, loving, playful absolutely amazing and wonderful member of our family.  The tumor appeared between his shoulder blades 4-5 months ago.  After much thought, research, including reading every post on this blog, we decided against surgery or any other treatment mostly because of his age and the location of the tumor.  As expected, the tumor grew and became the size of a softball, hindering his ability to walk (his front legs) especially his right leg.  Yesterday it opened up, and it was amazing how quickly the opening got larger and very messy.  At the onset we decided when that point was reached, it would probably be time to say good bye.  Trying to tend to such an open wound was impossible with our work schedule.  In 24 hours there are spots on the furniture and cloths where he sat.  Understand we really not care less about the furniture or cloths when it comes to him.  We had our vet come over to discuss - she is wonderful, having had a cat with the same problem in fact.  I can't believe he is gone, as he was just sitting in my lap purring this morning.  The world is less of a place now.  We are so lucky to have had such an incredible spirit for the past 18 years.  We love you Tigger, miss you terribly, and will always remember you.

[opus88]

hi and welcome to our forum even though the circumstances that bring you here are not happy ones....I am very sorry to hear that little Tigger has lost his fight, most of us here have also lost a loved member of our family and its never easy to say goodbye......you did all you could for Tigger and gave him a  long and happy life. That special bond you had with him and the wonderful memories will remain forever......rip little Tigger♥

[babygurl345]

My cat's name is Baby Gurl...she about six years old.....she was diagnosed with fibrosarcoma about tow years ago....the ping pong size tumoer was removed...since then it has returned...she now has a tumor the size of a baseball...it is on her shoulder blades...she is doing well....she plays, eats, drinks, uses her litterbox.....I think this tumor may be a little uncomfortable for her...but I feel she is doing well...I have decided not to have the tumor removed again...I think it will only come back....and probable faster....I want her last days, weeks, months or yeras to be without pain...I don't want her to suffer for my needs...because I will miss her so much...I have to think of her and what she is going through...I want her to quality of life....not morq quanity filled with pain...I hope I am doing the right thing...I watch her evevryday...to see if I can see a change...yes the tumor is still growing....her skin is doing well...I message her tumor...evevr once in a while...she seems to like it.....one lady said when she messaged her cat's tumor it seemed to have gotten smaller....keep your eye open for fleas...and their eggs...they seem to like to go to that area of her fur.....I brush them out....I am leary about giving her anything for the eggs.....I used to put that stuff in a tube that I would get from the vet ...and put on her...betweeen her shoulder blades....but since she has this tumor there I am afraid to put anything on this area...she is mostly an indoor cat...but does go out once in awhile...any suggestions How to treat the flea eggs.?..I only seen one flea on her (one flea too mnay).....otherwise Baby Gurl is doing fine...and I give her plenty of love everyday....she has been so lovable towards me ever since she had her tumor reoved...I feel she sences that I am trying to help her...Good luck to all the cats and their owners...cancer is terrible illness to animals and humans.....

[babygurl345]

My heart goes out to you and Tigger...He sounds like a wonderful cat!!!!! I am so sorry....

[sweetvioletta966]

I am so sad to say My kitty.. Violetta, has a lump I found last Tues, in one day the Vet said it was VAS.... and amputation or extreme tissue surgery removal with chemo and radiation to follow. In 4 out of 5 days she has been going to vets..... not fun for her. I can't take her leg or put her thru a surgery and the rest to follow that. I am at such a loss...she is only 9 years old. One homeopathic Dr. gave me ideas for diet and passive tx....today I think the lump seems more firm and a bit bigger....1 week in this. I wonder if anyone can tell how the lump feels to touch......this really came up over nite...the lump. I have been doing research for days, Please let me know how the lump first felt when you found it......Much Peace and Blessings to you .

[elle74]

My cat miyuki has vas too. He's only 7 yrs old. He had surgery last yr but tumor came back. I decided to not do chemo. He's on high protein diet and herbal diet. I don't know if it's working but i don't know what else to do. I'm just hoping to make his final time comfortable and happy. Hope this info helps.

[DebbieRima]

My cat too has fibrosarcoma and I have chosen to not have surgery, first, because she is also in kidney failure, and second, because of reading all of these posts.  For now, she's happy, eating, drinking, purring.  I know I will have some tough times ahead but I'm loving on her all I can.  My question is this:  has anyone else had a cat whose paw puffs up?  Mouse's tumor is on her side toward her back haunches (sp?) but her right front foot is twice + the normal size and feels like a marshmallow.  The vet took fluid out yesterday and seems to believe it might be cancer-related.  For those of you who chose amputation, is that how the tumor in the leg appeared?  I've decide no amputation, no surgery, no chemo/radiation.  However, I am now going to look into homeopathic treatments to keep her comfortable and happy as long as I can.  Thank you so much for all of these posts.  It's good to know I'm not along and can get some real answers!

[Splithorn]

get your cat a tranquilizer, and maybe one for yourself.  there comes a time when we cannot feel their pain, I have a cat that is eating as well, but it is time to put him down,  I do NOT want him to bew freaked out going into a carrier and off to a cold steel table to be injected and put to sleep so I wan him to be tranquilized so he will not be soo freaked out the last moments of his life.  do the right thing.  please do not make him suffer any longer that her has to.  my heart goes out to you, I know how hard it is I have had to do it tooooo many time, and I SWEAR  I will never do it again.  but we cannot seem to help loving these fury creatures god gave us to love.

[mar4523]

As a lot of you, i'm researching and that's how i ended up being here.  Our vet appt. was yesterday.  I had a feeling the dx. was going to be cancer since over the years of me having many cats, none has ever had anything like the growth on Gracie's shoulder.  And since a few days ago, another one appeared on her opposite hip.  I fed Gracie outside for about 3 yrs.  Finally last summer, she warmed up to me; and in the fall, she was brave enough to come into the house.  I was so relieved as winters where i live can be brutal.  I don't know how she survived the winter before--it was a miracle.  After a few months inside, she filled out and looked like a pretty, healthy little cat...not the scrawny ragamuffin who survived on her wits outside.  But in May, i noticed her limping, then maybe a week later a lump on her shoulder.  I thought it might be an abscess and was hoping it would open.  It didn't--and in only a couple of weeks grew to be a mass that covers her complete shoulder.  As someone mentioned, i can see an increase in size overnight!  She's become skinny and bony again--weight melted off her.  The vet gave me a lot of info, all agrees with what i'm finding online.  I had never heard of any of it before--the type of tumor, the etiology.  I feel so badly for Gracie because she's had such a rough life--and i thought now finally she would have a life of comfort, love and happiness.  Maybe she did for a few months anyway.  She turned out to be a cat with a sweet and loving disposition, so i feel she deserves better than what's happening to her...but then, they all do--even the ones that aren't so sweet and loving.  After reading up on fibrosarcoma, i think she is in pain.  Her head hangs, she's very listless.  She is still eating and anxious for her breakfast.  I'm doting on her and making sure there's food and water available to her whenever she wants.  I'm not going the surgery route--her tumor is too big and results not hopeful.   Today i'm looking into pain meds.  As all of you feel about your kitties, i don't want her to suffer.  I've learned so much from what everybody here has written, especially what to expect in days to come.  Thanks for sharing.  What you've all written has broken my heart.  I cry for all of you.  I'm so sorry for what you and your kitties have gone through and for your losses.  You are in my prayers.  God has blessed us with our wonderful cats and given them to us b/c He knew we would love and take care of them until the end...and always.

[kiirab]

Just an update. On March 26th 2011 I had to put Reverie to sleep. She was so sick. It was the hardest thing that I have ever had to do in my life. I miss her everyday. She is in my dreams, and I still think I see her out of the corner of my eye sometimes. Her tumor grew to take up her entire side with an open and exposed area the size of my hand. Her last week told me that it was time. I was not ready, but she was. I am happy with the decisions I made with respect to the fact that I can't go back and change anything (like getting an oncologist to do the first surgery).

MAR4523-I'm so sorry to hear about your kitty. My heart goes out to you. I find comfort in your strong and caring words.

[mar4523]

Everything you did and didn't do was right.  I'm so sorry Reverie got sick and for your loss of her.  I've lost cats and experienced the things you describe.  I think your dreams of her and thinking you see her out of the corner of your eye are special signs telling you that she's all right.  Thank you for your words to me--they give me comfort.

[mar4523]

This is an update on Gracie.  She died on Tues., June 28.  She stopped eating 2 days before that.  Three days before, i noticed that her breathing was very labored.  Her chest wall heaved greatly with every breath.  But she seemed comfortable--just very weak and emaciated.  I gave her lots of attention, and she could be anywhere she wanted.  She was affectionate to the end and even purred when i scratched her on that last day.

I made a terrible mistake though.  I wanted to save her suffering at the very end, and when she continued to have that difficult breathing, i thought it was time to take her to the vet's to be put to sleep.  The drive in the car terrified her and she was in anguish.  I realized i was doing the wrong thing, called to tell the vet's office i wasn't coming, and turned around to return home.  Gracie died in the car, about 5 mins. from home.  It broke my heart that i didn't do better for her.  I should have just let her pass at home.  She was just laying and sleeping, except when i'd come into the room, then i don't know how, but she'd get up and limp over to me to be petted (i couldn't reach her where she wanted to lay).

I go into her sad passing only to let others give thought about what they'll do at the end.  Sometimes going to the vet is the right and compassionate thing to do.  I've done it before for some of my other beloved cats.  And it was the right thing to do then.  But it wasn't this time.

Gracie is buried in a beautiful spot with ferns growing over her.  Since she's died i've had many (more than for my other cats) glorious signs of assurance.  After her buriel prayer, she even had a 'fly-over' of 3 big morning doves flying in formation above her and cawing a loud salute.  What gives me comfort is that, even though she had a hard life in her few years, and a sad end, she was a good and sweet kitty after we found each other and she enriched my life with her love.  And i'll see her again.

[opus88]

RIP little Gracie.....I am so very sorry for your loss....♥

[Jade59]

I am so sorry for your loss.  Thanks to you, Gracie had a happy end, not a sad one.  Thanks to you, she died knowing she was loved and cared for.  Thanks to you, she died in a warm home instead of outside somewhere.  You did what you thought was right, Mar.  Please try to follow your own earlier advice to kiirab earlier and know you did everything you could.  *Hugs*

RIP Gracie.

[mar4523]

Thank you for your kind and caring words.  Everything you wrote means more to me than i can tell you, except to say i'm crying again.  But some of these tears are for Gracie i know.  I'm still emotional about her passing.  Both of you caring enough to write comforts me and helps take some sting out of her absence.  Thank you.  

[skydragon]

We had the same problem and a baby sock has worked wonders. We wrap it first with a teflon (non-stick) bandage with a little ointment. Put on the sock with some vet tape (the kind that sticks to itself but not hair) and it has helped greatly. Although we haven't found any, I think if you could find some with a non-slip botttom,  that would be better.

Good luck with your cat. I think we will lose ours soon.

[majoros]

Hi, I'm Klara from Budapest, Hungary. I have a Siamese, called Floppy with vaccine induced fibrosarcoma. It started two and a half years ago between the shoulder blades, it grew to near 2x more than 1 inches in three weeks time while I was away. Had no idea what it was, went to the local vet, who cut it out. It was back to the original size in two months. A friend send me to a local oncologist who said they will get it out with normal surgery and will use a special treatment with it - PDT. This is why I joind and write you, nobody mentioned it in the forum. It's Photo Dinamic Therapy - a special medication is injected and they light the territory of the sarcoma and arond with a special light. Only the the sick cells incorporate the material and they are killed by the light. The oncologist talled me the only the first operating vet has some chance of completely removing the source of the tumor, it's just saving time and wellbeing what they are doing. There was no need for anything after. The fibrosarcoma came back a year later on the left side of the blade. The same operation and PDT treatment kept it in bay for some 8 months. Than it came back on the original spot. The cat had some misterious pancreatic something - at least the blood test showed one parameter far out normal without any reason. They did the surgery but did not dare to do PDT which requires normally working kidneys. Three weeks ago, just half a year later the tumor was back on and bellow the right blade with such a speed that in the 5 days needed for a free slot and getting together the team for PDT it became a handful in size. The doctor suggested a chest x-ray and chemo after the succesful operation as a  aggressive version of the fibrosarcome selected out. There is a 1 inch shadow in his lung so now he gets chemo. He is a bit weeker and less lively - not ruining anything in te last days but eating, drinking and purring as crazy.
This PDT treatment is a miracle - it gave us already near two and a half years and if the chemo also helps, or the shadow is not a tumor (which is not likely) even more.
I don't know the prices in the US but here I pay around 150-200 USD for the surgery and the PDT. It's not a half hour thing - the were cases when the whole process with injecting the medication, the surgery, the PDT and the waking and worming up took 10 hours.
Just ask around, worth it.

[opus88]

welcome to our site Klara and Floppy and thankyou very much for making us aware of this treatment, I've been doing more reading on PDT, yes it is avail. both in Canada and the US.

http://northcoastvetspecialist.com/photodynamic_therapy

I am sending back some love and (((hugs))) for little Floppy, I do hope she/he will do well with the Chemo therapy. I will unfortunately tell you that when a cancer does metastasize and return with such a vengeance its sometimes beyond treatment other than to keep kitty comfortable with pain meds....
I do hope you are able to achieve more 'quality' time with Floppy.....we cherish every given day don't we...
good luck and please keep us posted, thanks again...♥

[majoros]

Thank for your kind words.
When I have first heard the name of his tumor I run home and checked the net. Ever since it's clear we are fighting for time. Floppy is (was) a boy and a real survivor - at age of seven month he managed to open a huge 7x7 feet window and despite some nets he fell down from the 9th floor of a blockhouse on concrete. He had a broken a pelvis and during the operation his right hind leg was paralyzed. The doctors said it's final. A friend, a pro in massage was treating my back and we agreed it's worth giving a try with leg. In six weeks time he started to use it again.
He has a very special task too - my other kitty, Bonifac was adopted at the age of 8 when his owners died. He was over 14 when I lost my husband and the loss of the third owner was too much for him, he became depressed and sort of gave up. That was minute 7 weeks old Floppy joined the family and Bonifac took it seroius what we told him: it's your kitty. He became the best ever father, mother, teacher, educator, boxing partner and villain trainer, they have an unparalled relationship ever since. Bonifac is nearing 21 now, half a year ago he developed a malignant skin cancer with six tumors. The same oncologist who treated Floppy with VAS operated him, and despite his age, sensitivity to medication he survided. He has now some kidney and seeing problems but he is up and running with the help of Floppy who is there when he needs somebody soft and furry, who is licking him and still playing with him. Both go a bit crazy when the other one is taken away to the doctors. Floppy gets the same treatment from him and is not giving up.

[claudiesniffer]

my cat claudie is at least 16 we have had him for 15 amazing years and in 2009 i noticed a lump so i took him to my vet and he said he thought it was a cyst that needed to be drained and he drained a substantial amount of fluid from it but then it just kept filling back up  i continued to take him for drainings and when it got to be the size of a baseball and many doubts and questions they finally said it was a tumor i decided to have the surgery to have it removed it too was on his shoulder blade.. they remove a football shape and sized patch of his skin and god knows what else to try and remove everything when i got the biopsy back it was a fibrosarcoma and i was told it would probably reoccur in a few weeks to a few months it is now july 2011 and it has just now come back after all this time i suspected thats what it was a few weeks ago and the vet confirmed yesterday... claude is the closest thing to a child i have ever had and he has always been special hes more of a person than any others.... i thought that since it had been so long maybe we were the lucky ones and beat it but unlike the last time a lot has changed with claudie he is now diabetic and has lost a lot of weight and given the fact that this time it seems to be attached to muscle and bone instead of just a round lump it would be a very gruling and hard surgery i am thankful i got 2 years longer and me and my husband dont want to put him through that considering his age and condition the vet said she thinks hes around 18  or older but still gets around great so we are just going to ride it out as long as hes willing  i just want to know if any of you have already gone through the process of letting them go and what it was like at the end i am heartbroken and i dont know how to cope i feel like i am losing my child and theres nothing i can do about it... my heart goes out to all of you who have gone through it and i pray you never will have to again until the end i am going to make these the best months of his life and show him how much we love him he has givin us so much in life i want him to be happy and loved thankyou for all of your stories

[opus88]

welcome to our cat forum, I am so sorry to read after Claudie's long struggle that he is now going thru this once again. Fibrosarcoma is a very aggressive tumor unfortunately. With your good care he has lived a long and happy life and I hope he will have some good quality time left with you, be sure your Vet helps him along with pain medication when the time comes.

Yes mostly all of us on this site have lost one or more over the years, its never easy. I know for myself  there was that ONE very special boy that for me was as close as a child.
It simply breaks our hearts to have to let go. Its been 6 years now since I lost my Opus, he too was in his late teens and fought a brave battle with heart disease. He will forever have that special spot in my heart and memories.....as Claudie will with you.

Pets are our 'children' they love us unconditionally even with our many faults. We develop a strong bond with them and are privileged to have their love for the time we did...

I hope Claudie has some good quality time left to spend with you and be smothered in your love. keep us posted with any news or just wanting to ask a question or talk, we are here.
((((hugs)))) for you both..♥Opus

[NITTANY11]

Last September I found a lump on Nittany's right hind leg. I would take him out on his harness sometimes so I thought maybe he had been bitten by something. I took him to my vet and they did a biopsy. It ended up being fibrosarcoma. I met with an oncologist and after the scan and MRI, we opted for surgery (amputation) and the radiation treatments (it had not spread to his lungs). I cannot speak for any others and their experiences, but Nittany did extremely well with his recovery. I was shocked at how well he did. I was hard to see him all drugged up on the pain medication but when he saw me, he purred like a little kitten (he was 10 at the time of the surgery). By the end of November we had finished his 18 radiation treatments and he was given a clean bill of health. He was fine still 3 months later. He loves playing with his little sister Gracie and chased her all over the place. He adapted very very well with 3 legs. I haven't questioned at all if we made the right decision to remove the leg. He was like a young cat all over again. Last week I noticed him limping on his front leg. I took him to the vet and was thinking I would be told he needed to take it easy on the playing. Much to my surprise, the vet did a couple x-rays and found another tumor in his front leg and also a spot on his lung now. I didn't know what to say. He is still acting just fine, eating and going to the litter box the same so I was not expecting this news at all. Needless to say, the only thing we can do at this point is make sure he is comfortable. This tumor is exactly like the first one, it's in the muscle. That's why they were not noticeable until they got bigger. We've started giving him Metacam for the inflammation and any pain he may be having. As I'm sure you all know, cats don't let you know when they are in pain and have a high tolerance for pain. He's such a fighter and I hope to have him around as long longer than expected. If anyone knows of any special diets or supplements that could possibly slow down the tumor growth, please send to me. I would appreciate any feedback from anyone who has had the tumors in the legs. I lost my dog last year after having him almost 15 years and then got the news about Nittany's cancer just 3 months later. I'm not ready for him to be gone too but know I'll have to make sure I do what's right for him.

[opus88]

I am so sorry to read about the reoccurance of Nittany's tumor. This type of cancer is so very aggressive and associated unfortunately to the vaccines given. You bought him some good quality time and now I agree that you need to concentrate on keeping the pain level under control for him...poor little fella, he sounds like he has enjoyed life to the fullest with a good loving home, he's a fighter.
I will give you a blog written by Dr. Osborne last year on Medhelp. I have also read how important it is to feed a good source of high quality protein(not foods with animal by products)
good luck and may Nittany have a many months of good quality time left with you ((((>^.^<))))

http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/230790/Pet-Cancer-and-Pet-Nutrition-in-Dogs--Cats?personal_page_id=861539

[Olivia2011]

Yes, my cat also had the small bone in her chest broken outwards, it was said to maybe have been caused by misjudging a jump and hitting something, but she never seemed bothered by it and nothing was done.  She has howedver developed fibrosarcoma now and has had 2 surgical removals of lumps and is living with a third rather large one.  We don't want to put her through moore trauma, but it is breaking our hearts to see this beuatiful funny little girl go down with this.

[Olivia2011]

Yes, my cat also had the small bone in her chest broken outwards, it was said to maybe have been caused by misjudging a jump and hitting something, but she never seemed bothered by it and nothing was done.  She has howedver developed fibrosarcoma now and has had 2 surgical removals of lumps and is living with a third rather large one.  We don't want to put her through moore trauma, but it is breaking our hearts to see this beuatiful funny little girl go down with this.

[opus88]

I am so sorry to read about your loved little kitty, it is very heart breaking to lose a loved one. I understand you not wanting to put her through the trauma of surgeries, there does come a time when we have to make that horrible hard decision with  their best interests in mind.
I know you won't allow your good friend to suffer and will get advice before the pain gets to the stage of being evident......again my condolences and (((hugs))) to you both..♥

[JaniesDad13]

Hi all,

Thank you to all who posted information in this thread.  I have read nearly every reply and am now in tears.   About 4-5 months ago, I found a small lump under my cat's (Janie) left front arm--she is a 9.5 year old calico.   I monitored the lump for a few weeks and in seemed to be growing fairly quickly.  After a trip to the vet, my wife and I decided to pay for the removal of the lump and subsequent treatment (antibiotics, etc).   However, the lump grew back with even greater speed post -surgery.   On top of this, we just recently had our first child, so getting money for the surgery has been incredibly tough.  Our son is healthy and happy which has made taking care of Janie a bit easier.  Anyways, we opted not to do any further surgery and have instead tried many, many different types of alternative treatments.  Some of them are:
Essiac Tea supplements
Immune 7x
Heated Castor Oil treatments for the tumor
Tumeric supplements
Oil of Oregano
Massaging (as another poster suggested)

Bottom line is, none of these products have worked for us, at all, and now it appears the end for our beloved (first baby) Janie is near the end.  The tumor has now begun to bleed slightly, although Janie's behavior is still very bubbly and positive.  She purrs, and pushes on us constantly.  We have a make-shift wrap around her mid-section which I made with some gauze and a tensor bandage.  I will continue to change it until the inevitable day comes when we have to put our sweetie down.  She is still so young and will be leaving us far too soon.

Thanks again to all who posted...

[opus88]

hi....I am so sorry for all you and Janie have endured, its so sad to see these little ones struggling so hard against such a monster..enjoy the time you have left with her, she will live on in your memories and hearts.

I will say that some of the alternatives you have tried are for human use...like the essiac tea and oil of oregano for instance, I would not be using these on her...esp the oil, that one could be toxic IMO.

be assured in the fact Janie knows how much she is loved and that you have tried everything possible for her. When the inevitable time arrives please do whats best for her so she doesn't suffer....and believe me we all know how hard this is :(

and a huge congrats on the birth of your dear baby boy!!!!!

[JaniesDad13]

Thank you for the kind words, and for the suggestions.  I should clarify that the Oil of Oregano was discontinued as an option, partially because it made Janie vomit, and because I researched it afterwards on another site and found out it was not okay for kitties.  The Essiac Tea was also discontinued because apparently it can cause liver damage.   I should have included this information for others and I thank you for pointing this rather important information out.

   I should also add that, despite my earlier claims that none of the treatments worked, the "Immune 7" pills that I have been continuing to use have been quite helpful, I think.   Although they did nothing to slow the spread of the cancer, they did help Janie to seemingly feel better.  She has actually gained over 1.5 lbs since her surgery and looks much healthier, except for her large tumor.  Her coat is thicker and her appetite is much better these days.  

I know that many people (like my Dad) would say, "it's just a cat", but Janie was my wife and my first 'baby' and it it so tough seeing her go, especially because all else seems to be fine with her.  She has no idea that the end is near for her, which may be better.  She is still the same happy, sweet kind little girl we have loved for so many years.  It will be way too tough to see her finally go.

And thank you for your congrats about our son, it truly has been a roller-coaster of emotions lately.   Take care...

[opus88]

I am just wondering since you do research into holistic treatments if you've read anything about NEOPLASENE?
its injected directly into the tumor and will shrink the size..giving more comfort and extending kitties life.
I don't know much about it other than I've read awhile back about others being happy with the outcome, thats why I copied the site at the time.
This doctor works inconjunction with your Vet and your Vet does the injections....worth reading more about, I have NO idea what the costs are...keep us updated on Janie please..we wish you all the best.

http://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/index.html

[JaniesDad13]

Thanks again for the reply Opus.  No, I have never heard of Neoplasene.  I am by no means an expert on any of this stuff, as my failed attempts at home remedies prove.  However, I have really realized how valuable the internet can be throughout this experience.  However, there is so much information on this type of cancer, it is sometimes tough to decipher what to do, especially because most of the holistic treatments are "unproven".   The cost of treatments for neoplasene would likely be very high, and unfortunately, we are already scraping together money just to get by.
I have an appointment for Janie today and will undoubtedly bring this up with the vet.  Thank you again for the great suggestion!

[opus88]

I agree one has to be very careful of what we read on the internet...however neoplasene IS used by cat people in the holistic treatment in lieu of surgery/amputations and seen as a much less invasive treatment. but no doubt expensive...worth a phone call to the center just to inquire about,  perhaps your Vet will have some knowledge of this....at any rate, you do only what you can without guilt, I too have limited finances and do what I can as best I can..
good luck with the Vet appointment for little Janie, keep us posted. :-)

[Nuitcchi]

Hi.  My 8-year-old cat has Fibrosarcoma, and she just had a surgery to remove the big tumor and affected skin, anything visibly malignant in the eye.  My regular vet did the surgery.  This is after I brought my cat to the oncologist in cutting edge tech clinic, and 2nd opinion at UC Davis.

Currently, I'm in search of alternative medicine.  I'm from Tokyo where Chinese herbal treatment is quite common for human, i.e., it's used like a flu remedie.  It works for human, and pharmaceutical companies even advertise their product with it to sell more.  

However, I do not know anything about how effective such treatment is for pet animals.  I made a list of the clinics that practice Chinese herbal treatment, called, and talked to the vets.  Now I narrowed down to 2 clinics to decide.  I don't expect a miracle, but I can't just sit here watching my cat die.  

Before I did this search, I asked my nurse cousin, and she told me about the internalist (for human) who quit the hospital, left for deep mountains in China to look for a way to cure illnesses in a way western medicines don't.

Maybe, she just didn't want to discourage me from what I was doing, but at this point there's nothing to lose or stop me, so I started.

Thank you for reading it.  I happened to find this thread, and shall keep looking in.


To some of the respondents:

-Dying in the car is OK.  I know you regret that happened, but your cat knows, trust me, you did all you could do, and she's thankful. Cats thank humans, you know.  So please please don't feel bad.

-I'm interested in giving a shot directly to the affected area, and the cancer's gone website.  I hope someone gives an update on that.

[sphinxandkilliansmom]

We moved to FL from VA last year and felt really good about starting new jobs and being near family, we are even waiting to close on a house...the 'boys' are sooo happy here and love laying in the sun and having their grandparents and other relatives come by and visit them.  My boys are Sphinx, a 16 year old Bombay, who has been suffering from kidney disease and hyperthyroidism the last 2 years and Killian a 14 year old Bombay mix - he hasn't had any significant health problems.  

I found a lump in front of Killians left hip, you can't see it or feel it really unless he is laying on his side or standing up because his hip bone conceals it, and he is about 12lbs so he has a little bit of padding as well.  Killian is my baby - he is a love bug, lap cat who loves to hug and snuggle - how did I miss this before!?  This lump is egg shaped and firm about an inch or so in length, what I imagine a really tiny football would be shaped and or feel like.  

Our vet in VA the boys had been seeing since they were kittens.  The vet we are using here in FL came to us by family recommendation and he was very nice...but the shocking news we received was that our 14 year old 'baby' Killian, probably has a vaccine related fibrosarcoma.  I just went through my own personal trial with liver adenomas and major surgeries last year so I know I didn't hear too much of what the vet said after that - except I know he said radical surgery, possibly amputation and then they took Killian in the back and got samples from the lump with a needle.  Now we wait 4 days to get the results....

Here I am online researching the side effects of vaccines and come to find out Sphinx's illness (hyperthyroidism) is probably caused by vaccines too!  Its absolutely devastating to find out that despite our best efforts to give our kids the best care and life possible we have still failed them...I am an absolute mess and I am trying not to be because we don't have any results yet...

reading all the stories posted here and understanding so completely the helplessness and frustration being expressed by other cat parents doesn't make it any better or easier but its somehow comforting to know there is a forum and a community of others who understand and can help us do what we can for our boys.  I am absolutely appalled that what I have done to meet city and county regulations, what was recommended by the veterinarian and so forth has potentially resulted in putting my cats lives in jeopardy pre-maturely.  Bombays are known to live into their 20s!  

My heart goes out to all the cat parents who have and are suffering with the difficult decisions we may be facing at the end of the week...I don't know what questions to ask or how to proceed at this point, any suggestions of what we can ask the new vet and how we can help Killian be as comfortable as possible would be greatly appreciated.  He seems normal, he is so happy here in FL, he even plays with his toy mice by himself and goes out on the patio for naps in the sun - he never did that in VA...

I am trying to be strong because they are so sensitive to my emotions but this is harder than my struggle with my own health last year!

[opus88]

hi and welcome to our site, I wished it had been for happier reasons though.
I am so sorry to read about your recent health problems and Killians as well...don't blame yourself, these lumps can sometimes come up very suddenly. I will send you some reading on treatment incase it does turn out to be VAS(sure hope this isn't the case)..it could be just a fatty tissue lump...

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00389.htm

but this is all drastically invasive surgery and chemo/radiation I'm not sure if you want to put a senior kitty though all this??
Did you read the post I did above about NEOPLASENE? its a herbal injection said to reduce or possible halt the spread of the tumor....I know its herbal and sounds like snake oil, but I have read of other cat owners using this with good results.....and no surgery.
I would look into this. the dr. at this site works ships this to the Vet clinic and works with YOUR OWN VET....I have NO idea the cost, but a phone call could soon tell you that info...

http://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/index.html

the last 3 yrs I have stopped vaccinating my 'indoor' only cats....much to my Vets disagreement.(except for the required rabies and its one of the worst culprits).
there are many Vets out there now that also are speaking out against anything more than the initial round of vaccines....NO annual boosters.

I wish you and Killian all the success in the world, we do what we think is protecting our babies and can be causing more harm than good unfortunately.....-(

please post anytime, we are all cat lovers here and will listen if nothing else....♥

[elle74]

miyuki died on aug 26. The tumor grew too great. When the pain grew too much, i had him put to sleep. Nothing helped. Forever in my heart.

[FurballsMom]

I'm so sorry you lost your kitty.  :-(  As much as it broke your heart, you did your best for your kitty.

[Jade59]

I am so sorry for your loss, Elle.  

(((Hugs)))

[Crittersmom]

I just learned that my kitty has fibrosarcoma. He had the tumor removed last week, but I just got test results today. He was my mom's cat...she died 2 1/2 years ago, so it's like losing her all over again. He's diabetic, and receives 2 injections per day, so I fear that I caused it.

[elle74]

hi all. I thought i'd give u more info about what i tried with miyuki. Surgery but tumor came back. Didnt do chemo or rad-low chances. Did herbal med with vet from india who lives in fl. First statis breaker, a general cancer herb. Then a herb focusing on sarcoma. It didnt stop growth but slowed growth of tumor. He had no pain until end. Wkly i had tumor drained so it wouldnt burst. It gave us 5 more months that i will treasure 4ever. My heart goes out 2 all of u!

[opus88]

elle, I am so sorry for your loss too...poor baby, you did what you could and gave her a fighting chance. I'm so glad to hear you had some success with the herbs and she died pain free.
would you post and share the names of these herbs please, it would be much appreciated..♥

crittersmom, I am so sorry for the terrible dx kitty just received. maybe elle can help you with sharing the herbs she used....I've never had to treat this thank goodness so my knowledge is very limited...but I am sure you didn't cause it with the diabetic injections...VAS is usually linked to vaccines like rabies
I am sending some (((hugs))) and our best of wishes for kitty to live comfortably for as long as possible..please post anytime if we can help or just need to chat.♥

[elle74]

thank you opus 4 all your knowledge. First herb was statis breaker, powder for cancer in general. 2nd herb was max's formula teapill, pill to fight fibrosarcoma. I got them from my vet but maybe they are avail on net. I no longer plan 2 vac my cats. God bless you all. I wish you success in fighting this disease. My heart goes out to all of you.

[phh710]

My little Jezebel was diagnosed almost 2 years ago (at age 6) with fibrosarcoma on her right hip.  I had the radical surgery that removed her leg and part of her pelvis.  She was up walking and eating 4 hours after the surgery.  I was able to bring her home the next day.  We also did the radiation treatments and chemo.  She was in the best of health with no side effects at all (well excpet that her fur grew back salt and pepper where she had the radiation).  Unfortunately several months after completing treatment a CT of her lungs show 3 small nodules.  Its been over a year and a half since her treatments.  The cancer never reocurred at the original tumor site (she would have been cured).  The 3 nodules in her lungs are slow growing and she is taking pill chemo (paladia)  3x per week to slow their development.  She has been in the best health with no side effects from the chemo and nothing yet from the cancer.  She eats like a little pig and I'm stuffing her full of cat treats.  She gains weight each vet visit!  It has been over a year since the cancer showed up in her lungs and we still have some time left.  My advice is to get the surgery, radiation and chemo if you can afford it.  Cats are so resiliant.  Jez never had any side effects and I have treasured the time I have had with her.  I get to spoil her beyond believe.  In the past year that she has had cancer she chased a bunny in the backyard (on her 3 little legs!!!) caught a baby dove and killed a little mouse.  I was sad about the mouse but so happy for her, she was thrilled!. She is still very playful, bosses the other cats around and sleeps under the covers with me.  My heart is broken of course but I'm so blessed to have the time I've had with her.  We fortunately had pet insurance (Trupanion) and they have paid $25,000 to date for all her treatements.  My part was only a couple thousand. I live in Houston Texas and am fortunate that we have Gulf Coast Vet Association that has oncology, radiation and surgical departments. I'm enjoying the time we have left.  I'm not crying until there is something to cry about.  I have her for today.  Thats whats important.  I know all the pain ya'll are going through.  I lost my chelsea baby 11 years ago due to lymphoma.  It was the most horrible thing.  I kept her alive because I couldn't say good-bye.  I'm not going to do that with Jezebel.  I will never let one of my babies be in pain again.  My heart is with all of you.

[opus88]

I am so sorry to read about Jezebel...she is a little trouper to come thru all the surgery and cancer treatment so well.......just NOT fair that now its appeared in her lungs.
But your good care and the treatments have kept her with you for a little longer and everyday counts doesn't it!!!
I thank you for sharing the valuable info you have...for those that are able pet insurance is a good investment. I was fortunate to have it for my Opus 9 yrs ago when he was dx'd with high b/p and heart disease, the visits to the specialist and medications were all covered..he too was a 'valuable' (expensive)kitty, it allowed me to keep him with me another 3 years until his passing at 17 in 2005.
Its also good to know how well Jezebel was able to tolerate the surgery, chemo and radiation treatments....
Our best of wishes go to her for a much longer and continued happy life...it will be hard to let her go when the time comes but you are so right in thinking we need to love them unselfishly and allow them to go when they tell us they are ready....bless you both ((>^.^<))
keep us updated, we are always here if you need a shoulder...Phh♥

[robynduffney]

Hi everyone. my cat developed what appeared to be a tumor on her belly. i took her to the vet two years ago and he said as long as it did not hurt her leave it alone. it has grown in size but it feels like there are like four or five lumps attached to each other and you can puu it away from the skin. again this did not bother her at all. i could see it was filled with clear fluid, so last year i poked it with a needle and drained it and it stayed small for a few months. it came back and stayed that way all year. today i noticed it looks like an abcess (abscess). there at drops of blood on the floor. there is hard yelloow puss on the sides of the wound and it drops blood when she moves fast or bends over. is this the same thing you guys are all talking about. she is 17 years old. still eating but slow today and doesnt mind it being touched. please help. any info will do. im taking her to vet but the kids asked me to wait until after xmas in case i have to put her down.

[opus88]

when you poked her with a needle, I am assuming the needle was sterilized? otherwise she could now have a raging infection/abscess going on in the area these would need to be drained and her given an antibiotic. even if the needle was sterile it still sounds to me like that maybe what she has...by your discription of yellow pus..I can see the Vet would want to drain it and clear up the infection if that is what is going on...but if she is still eating and appears ok perhaps she only needs that and a pain killer too would be a GOOD idea,cats don't always let us know when they are in pain and she could be really suffering.... to me it sounds as if she isn't ready to be put down just yet, but its hard to say without seeing her and how bad this is...
good luck to you both, keep us posted please....♥

[robynduffney]

when we drained it with a sterile needle that was a years ago, but it filled with the clear fluid within a few weeks so we left it alone. at that time the vet said it was a cyst and as long as it was not causing her pain to leave it. but now two years later, it's open and there is a whole where the cyst used to be and it smells real bad. i have put peroxide on it but it is not foaming, the pussie area is hard. she is keeping it very clean herself so i dont want to cover it. it looks like it will never heal, but i never experianced this before. i know it's not an infection cause i watched the cyst grow over the years and had her vet checked. im just wondering if it sounds like the cancer you are all talking about. she has gotten very skinny this past year, but eats ravenously all day, like she forgot she ate at all. stools normal. no vomiting.

[opus88]

ok now I think I understand a little clearer....yes hon I am afraid that does sound more like a cancer than an infection. the smell you mention, there is nothing like a cancer smell once you've gotten a wiff of that once, and the non healing......poor little girl. I hope you will take her to the Vet soon....if kitty is in pain than its time you do the right thing for her, but if the Vet thinks he can clean it up a bit and give her some medication to keep her comfortable than perhpas since she's eating you could buy a bit more time.
sending you both our prayers, this is so hard to see a long time little friend losing their once vibrant personalities and health...♥

[robynduffney]

thanks for the advice. i did take her to the vet today and they agree she is doing to well to give up. antibiotics and daily irigation (irrigation) will tell us by next week if it is cancer or just an infection from a burst cyst. but either way at 4 lbs, she is to fraile at 17 years to undergo surgery. the vet did say for her age she appeared healthy and eating is a good sign. as for the smell it is not a good sign. no pain for her at the sight, so we are going to hang in and see how she does. signed: plugging our nose for love.

[Monsters_Mom]

I'm so sorry to read that so many have been affected by this senseless cancer :(

My furbaby/love of my life, Monster, was a rescue cat when I got him 3 years ago. He had been severely mistreated/abused. He had a huge hernia from being kicked and lost 3/4s of his tail. This sweet creature was just desperate for love and affection.


I have only ever fed my baby holistic, organic, by-product/filler free foods.

In March of 2011 I took him to the vet's because he had a lump that was irregularly shaped and seemed to be growing. In my haste and total fear, I selected to have it removed and then biopsied.

The tumor was huge; the surgery lasted longer than anticipated and was across the majority of his back. However, he recovered like a champ and was just happy to be home with me. I found out that it was vaccine induced Fibrosarcoma :(

I immediately put him on holistic medicines. He was vibrant, happy and energetic.... like his old self.

In August I noticed that the tumor was growing inside of his hernia. Now the tumor is huge, there are little bumps all over his skin .... they tend to scab up. His eyes aren't as bright.... I'm really sad because all hope is gone and we are nearing the end.

Have any of you experienced these bumps? Please tell me, what am I to expect at this point? He seems happy, he is eating (albeit less), purrs and loves his "mommy time" with me.

Im grief stricken at the senseless of this cancer. I have never met a sweeter or more loving creature than my Monster!

[jazzy130]

Anybody out there have anything they can share on oral cancer in a cat. Everybody tells me to give up. cat is still eating and I am trying some holosstic meds.

[MrsJones15]

Wow I am shocked and heartbroken at the amount of people/pets that have/are going thru this! I am the mommy of an 8 year old female tabby named "Stella" and like most of your babies, she also, has a vaccine (Rabies) associated fibrosarcoma. Im having issues getting my head around all of this, not only because  Rabies vaccine allegedly "protects" our cats but because the vaccine was given without my consent by a negligent veterinarian who knew my baby is strictly indoor. She
had the tumor removed 2 weeks ago and now the oncologist is recommending radiation therapy as there were no clean margins on the growth that was removed. I don'k know much about side affects or life expectancy w/ radiation treatment so, if there is anyone out there who has done radiation therapy, please advice.
Thanks in Advance

[opus88]

hi mrs jones and welcome, I am so sorry to read about Stella. I agree its very frustrating as well as infuriating when we try to protect these poor kitties and sometimes by doing so we cause harm.
unfortunately I don't have much on the info you seek, there have been other posts on this forum about whether or not to follow thru with treatments or not to 'put kitty through it'.
I can't recall any that have returned and posted any updates if they've gone ahead with radiation. you can try searching in our 'archives' to see if you find something there.

I will also send you one site that I have from a Veterinarian University that goes into detail about the different treatments, not sure if it gives any stats on life expectancy afterwards tho.

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00389.htm

I will also include another site to do with feline cancers and caregivers...there you may find more info on what you are seeking.
good luck to the both of you, this is a very hard and heartbreaking decision to have to make for our beloved little ones...♥

http://www.felinelymphomacaregivers.org/cases.html

[MySweetPeaches]

It is just so sad. I can't believe that what was to protect ultimately is killing our loved ones. My baby Peaches is a loving, sweet tabby we adopted, and is only a little over 5 years old. I am heartbroken as others about their precious kitty.

We found out about her condition last Nov; We immediately had to start on radiation, but it was only palliative as the tumor was so big, the doctors would not operate on her, or let her go on the full course radiation. As others stated, we were given the initial prognosis of 2 months.

She's had a total of 6 palliative radiation shots. 4 in about 4 weeks in Dec, 6 weeks rest, then 2 more boost shots in Feb-March. They say giving her anymore will not do much else, as the tumor is coming back and growing very fast. Radiation response is highest at the first dose; if after 6 weeks the tumor comes back, it means anything after that will not have a good response rate.

I do think the initial radiation did help. She went from being lethargic and not moving much at all to being more social and affectionate. The tumor did go down a bit, but within weeks grew fast, and larger. Now, she has a very prominent lump protruding high on her back. That wound will open very soon.  

Radiation can help, but pain management is also important. Cat's hide their pain, so it's hard to gauge just how much pain they could be in. If you notice you kitty being tired, not purring, not eating, not talking, etc, then pain management is something to consider.( Also, changing up her food (if she was on dry only, put a bowl of wet food). My Peaches is a super picky eater, and was on science diet only for the first 5 years. I tried a variety of wet foods, and found a few flavors she liked after trial an error. Sometimes, she'll stop eating, and it's because she's a brat and tires of a flavor. So I switch it up again, until I find something she enjoys. This is really important to us, as she won't take her liquid meds by mouth, or chewable meds. The only way I can get her to take her doses is by mixing into her wet food. If your cat is picky, and won't take the liquid meds, I'd recommend this. I also always warm up her wet food for about 8 secs, then mix in her meds before serving her. I also make sure I only give her the wet food during her med time, so that she doesn't become full, and not eat her wet food-meds mix when she is supposed to. My first doctor also said to try and get food that is natural, high in protein, low in carbs. You can either cook for her on your own, or try out brands like wellness. Good luck!)

(Going back to pain meds) At the same time, ironically, some doctors say cat's aren't able to process pain meds as well as their canine counterparts, so that is why there arent as many options. Not sure what's right, but I think our kitty's done well on switching up liquid meloxicam & gambapentin in her food twice daily. There's also another shot she can get at the vet that lasts about 1 to 2 weeks. With meds, you have to consider their health around kidney & liver function, as well as their blood levels.

The only other thing for us now is maybe chemo. I'm not sure I want to put her through that. We're glad we got to spend more time with her because of radiation (if the initial 2 month prognosis was actually real, and not a scare). I just ordered these two items (below) from PetWellBeing.com to see if I can help her in a more homeopathic method. This tumor is a true nightmare, and I just can't comprehend why these sweet animals should go through something like this. They just don't deserve it, and its not fair our human actions have caused this. My very best wishes to you all, please keep us posted on post-treatments and experiences of your kitty. Every little bit of information helps, we all want to do the best we can for our loved ones.

I hope these products help; I know starting a homeopathic option this late in the game may not help at all, but I'm willing to try. Other cat owners who are battling cancer (mostly not fibrosarcoma though) have had success. The ones with fibrosarcoma reviewed the product as neutral, and some of their pets had side effects like vomiting. If Peaches can stomach it, and improves in any way, I'll let you all know.
Cancer Support Kit - Cats PH 5600 $49.95 $49.95
First Aid Spray for Cuts & Scrapes PH 1850 $21.95 $21.95

Best of luck to you all.

[opus88]

thank you for the post and information, I am so sorry for what your poor girl is going through.We think we are doing what needs to be done and at times we are only causing pain and injury by these vaccines.....
I will tell you not to hesitate on using pain meds..and the very best on the market for kitties is BUPRONORPINE (buprenex) than BUTORPHANAL(torbutrol,trobugesia) and lastly TRAMADOL(ultram...but very bitter tasting)
all the best of wishes to you and your precious baby...keep her comfortable and her last days as pain free as possible, remember its quality of life not quantity that she now needs...bless her dear little heart.♥

[N2cats]

I have read all of the posts and feel for each of you and your pets.  I have a 18 year old cat that was just diagnosed with fibrosarcoma of the eye.  Earlier this week she had the growth removed from her eye and today the vet called to confirm the diagnosis.  I was wondering if any of you have heard of this cancer affecting the eye?  

[pinfo]

My cat was diagnosed with a fibrosarcoma in September of last year. I read this message board many many times when deciding what to do and then later rethinking what I had decided and it was incredibly helpful, so thanks to everyone who has posted here. I decided to not do any treatment at all (he was 17 and had kidney and heart issues). It's hard to do nothing, and I don't remember at the time anyone writing exactly what happened by going that way, so I always said I would in the end.

When diagnosed, he had a lump on the back of his neck about the size of a bean, and he ended up making it 7 months. The first several months were fine -- he was totally normal, would eat, play, everything was fine except the lump was getting bigger. Like people on here said, it's like a bean, then an acorn, then a plum...I wouldn't say we reached baseball, but almost. At that point he was acting more lethargic. I was terrified it would open any day and I'd have to put him down immediately. I'd try to keep him from scratching, thought any scratch was it opening - then one day it really did open. There was a brownish liquid all over where he had been sleeping. I was upset since I'd read on here that that's when you have to put them down. I took him to the vet that night and they all said that other than the tumor he seemed fine. All incredibly frustrating as I'm sure you all know -- an otherwise healthy, happy cat. He actually felt much better after all that weight was gone. I hadn't realized a good portion of that tumor was liquid, so it was then much smaller. I kept him on antibiotics so it wouldn't get infected. It would drain once in a while, he spent a lot of time on newspapers and towels, but he loved them so it was okay. This went on 1-2 months. It did then stop dripping and got bigger again, opened another time several weeks later, and then he did start to deteriorate. He got very weak, he could walk but I'd have to carry him most places. The last day he was so weak he fell over on the floor and I knew it was time. I had him put to sleep at home which I highly recommend for anyone who is able to do that.

I'm sure this sounds very clinical but this is exactly the information I wanted when he was first diagnosed and I was trying to figure out what to do. I'm so sorry for all of you who have to make the decision for a much younger cat and hope this information may be of help to someone.

[opus88]

thank you so much for journaling your kitty's story and telling us more of the 'after' side of the diagnosis, I am so sorry for the loss of your boy, its never easy loosing a dear close friend, and watching them deteriorate slowly when you know theres nothing you can do to help is so very hard.
Its hard to make these decisions of to treat or not....but given the age of your kitty and the health conditions he was already fighting I do think you made the right call.
I had a boy named Opus, who lived to a grand age of 17 with kidney and heart issues..he lived for 3 wonderful years with treatment, than our family doctor the Vet came to the house one morning as well when Opus could no longer walk...I still cry when I remember that morning and the call I had to make...but we have to always remember whats in their bests interests and not our own..
once again thank you for giving us this information.
please feel free to drop by anytime, we are just cat people here...we don't just come when there are problems, we also love to share stories and chat...♥

[Puddycat902]

Today I was told that my beautiful 9 yr old Molly has fibrosarcoma.. So grateful to have discovered this site among my hours of research.  Maybe I was in denial, but I thought she had a fatty tumor (benign) on her hindquarter. It is the size of a golfball and started to bleed this week. After bringing her to the vet and running some tests, the diagnosis was made.  I am devastated to say the least.  Molly was one of 4 kittens brought to me one by one by her mother {a stray cat I adopted)the day she was born!  She was an indoor cat and only received vaccinations as a kitten.  I was initially thinking of surgery without chemo/radiation but the prognosis seems poor that it won't return. Want to do some more research and  discuss with vet then. Interested in holistic/alternative treatments.  Want my Molly to be as comfortable as possible.  

[opus88]

oh what horrible news to get...I am so sorry for dear Molly and the reason for bringing you to our cat community.
I'm afraid sarcomas do indeed have a high rate of return even after surgery/chemo/radiation. at best if you go ahead with treatment you can hopefully buy Molly a few more quality years with you....its knowing when enough is enough and to make the call for her when that quality time comes to an end.
did you check out the sites I recommended to an early poster....these will give you some info

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00389.htm

http://felinelymphoma.org/cms/index.php

I have limited info myself but do know of some holistic people treating their kitties with neoplasene...it can be quite harsh but does give an alternative to the invasive surgery option. the dr. at Buck Mountain Botanicals deals with your own Vet for either oral or injectible choices that reduce the size of the tumor...worth making a call and asking more questions about.
whatever you decide I do wish Molly all the very best and hopefully some good days to spend with you yet....((♥)) please keep us updated.

http://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/index.html

[chewysmom]

Hi. I'm new to this site, but felt like I should post about my cat to see if anyone has any advice.  I took my cat (14 yo) to a vet yesterday for a 2nd estimate on surgery to remove two growths.  This vet said she is worried the one on her back btw her shoulder blades is a fibrosarcoma.  She also has a large growth right above one of her eyes that is now so big that her eye is mostly closed.  I'm not sure what to do - I'm a student and don't have a lot of money to spend on the surgery (estimated to be about $600) and the vet said that if it is fibrosarcoma, they will likely come back anyway.  If it was just the growth on her back, I think I would be ok with just leaving it, but her eye looks terrible.  Neither one seems to bother her - she eats, drinks and seems to be her usual self.  I'm just not sure what to do.  Any suggestions??

[opus88]

welcome to our site....just sad for the reasons for seeking us out....I wish I knew what to tell you, unfortunately I don't. Does your Vet think the growth on the eye is also a sarcoma? If not than perhaps removing that one would give her some comfort and at least be able to see....the one surgery shouldn't be as costly as it would be for both, most clinics will set up a payment scheduled with you..

The Vet is right abt the one between the shoulder blades is likely cancer since that is a common spot for vaccinations....left untouched it won't spread as quickly, opening it up with surgery tends to cause them to return with a vengeance.
Its such a hard call isn't it, especially when money is an issue and I know if you thought there was anyway you could extend her life with good quality time you would do all in your power to somehow find that extra money.

this fibrosarcoma is a terrible thing for kitties, my heart just breaks for all the little ones facing such a sentence.

I have a few sites that you may wish to read up on to help you with this terrible decision...

http://partnersah.vet.cornell.edu/Pets-Guide-To-Cancer/Treatment-Decisions

http://www.oncolink.org/types/section.cfm?c=22&s=69

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_VAS_Support/

sorry I can't be of more help with this very difficult decision....sending you both some ((hugs))

[Puddycat902]

An update to my recent posting...last night my family and I made a heartbreaking emergency decision to put my sweet Molly (9yrs old) to sleep. This past week she has been hiding and licking the tumor site continuously. She took out all the fur in about a 4 inch radius. It began to bleed slightly a day or two ago and then yesterday it began to bleed more heavily and small bits of tumor/flesh were coming out too. I called my vets office but there was no one there until Tuesday (yesterday was Friday). I was referred to the Animal Hospital near me. I went with my three daughters and was given my choices 1) stop bleeding and let her live with a collar around neck (and decide what to do later on) 2) speak to oncologist regarding surgery/chemo/radiation...3) euthanasia
Molly was so scared...she was an indoor cat and afraid to be outside. The whole experience of having  to force her into the carrier (with blood dripping everywhere) and driving her in the car had to be terrifying for her. From what I have learned from this site and others, this disease has an extremely poor prognosis for recovery. We could not see extending her life for another day or week or month to see her suffer. We were told with an open wound like she had created, an infection could easily set in.  Sadly we opted to euthanize her.  She and I spent her last moments together in a "comfort" room at the hospital. They had wrapped her in a towel for me to hold her. Despite all the crying I have done, I managed to speak to her in a calm voice and kiss her head and tell her I loved her.  Meanwhile the towel had moved and she bled all over my shirt and pants. (I had to borrow a shirt to go home in).  After the procedure, I saw her again and was comforted to know she would not be tormented by this THING that had taken over her leg. She is at peace now.  I thank this forum for all their stories and wisdom. You have helped me greatly.

[opus88]

my deepest condolences to you and your daughters...RIP little Molly.
these decisions we are sometimes faced with are some of the hardest we have to make, you did the research and learned how aggressive these tumors are and made a decision in Molly's best interest, you did not want to keep her alive and suffering. That is the kindest last deed we can do for our little ones who put all their trust in us to make these decisions for them in a time of need.....Molly only knew love and kindness in her short life. Gentle journey little girl. thankyou for letting us know.♥

[chov]

My cat, Jagger, was diagnosed with fibrosarcoma last July (at age 8), after initially being misdiagnosed.  He went into surgery the next day and the vet said they got clear margins. In October I found another lump, so we got that one removed a week later.  They had to remove some muscle with the second operation and the recovery was tougher, so we decided not to operate again if the cancer should return. Unfortunately we found out at the same time that he had kidney disease as well.  His kidneys crashed in November, and we've been giving him subcutaneous fluids daily (not easy), along with Pepcid to control vomiting and Prednisone.  Another tumor began growing in January (with his kidney disease he would have been too sick to withstand surgery even if we had decided to try again for a third time), and this one seems to be bothering him more than the others. He's still affectionate, bright-eyed and eats a little, but I'm afraid we're getting near the stage where the tumor may open.  I'm honestly a wreck. He's my baby, the most affectionate cat I've ever had, and this last year has been hell seeing him go through all that he has.  I just hope I can hold it together when his time comes.  

[opus88]

Hi...I just cringe every time I see a new posting on these terrible sarcomas..your poor little Jaggar!!!

he has been through alot already for being so very young, you have done what you could...you tried. Unfortunately with these sarcomas they always return with a vengeance to wreck more havoc on their little bodies.

You have made a difficult but wise choice....his kidneys would never withstand more surgeries. I know how difficult it is to make that final call for them, but I do urge you not to wait too long...he may not be showing it(cats don't)...but he is in pain and life is not much fun right now considering that plus the upset tummy and SubQ fluids. My heart goes out to you and to your boy...your baby. It will be hard but you can do it as we all have, he is dependent on you to do this one last act of love for him....sending my prayers and my hugs too.

we are here if you need to vent or to talk anytime♥

[camille223]

Both of my cats developed fibrosarcomas after receiving vaccines.  The vetrinary school in Maison-Alfort (outside of Paris, France) informed me that it is not necessarily the vaccine but the shot itself.  The animal is deficient in a hormone that disperses inflammation.  The inflammation from that shot festers and becomes a tumor.  Anything that causes such inflammation is potentially cancer causing.  Both my cats beat and survived this cancer with surgery and a one week stay at the school for radiation therapy.  Was 5 years ago for one and 3 for the other.

[Miraclechild12]

Hi everyone.  It has been SO helpful reading all these posts.  My heart and prayers go out to everyone of you who is or has had to go through this heartbreaking fight.  I adopted Clara (now 10) from a friend who could no longer keep her about 1 year ago.  She was sweet, playful, very healthy and extremely affectionate.  Then about 6 months later I noticed a small lump on her right side by her haunches.  As per everyone else's comments, it quickly became humongous.  The vet advised us not to do surgery due to the high and fast return rate of tumors.  The tumor burst open in several places, and although it is no longer draining or bleeding, it is quite horrible to look at, and even worse is the smell of the decaying flesh.  We have already had her on antibiotics twice, and I have an appointment tomorrow at 10am to consult with the vet, but I just wanted to see if anyone had any ideas as to how to stop or mask the smell.  I really want to hold her all the time, but I literally cannot tolerate the odor.  She still eats and is affectionate, and I'm not sure what the vet will say.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.  Miraclechild12.

[lightme67]

My 13 yr old kitty cat has fibrosarcoma caused by vacc., He had surgery 6 months ago and its back with a vengance.
Has anyone tried the Budwig diet, cancer fighting foods and omega 3 plus supplaments?  I am trying these things plus Black salve. Im making him Quark and flaxseed and fighting this tooth and nail.  
Poor sweet kitties.
Bless you all
and best of wishes

[karenjuice]

Hi, my 12 year old cat is my baby, my favourite. I found a lump which turned out to be sarcoma in February, it was only small about 1cm but it was removed for biopsy. When the results came back the vet said it was malignant but the good news was that it shouldn't come back - what a liar! Within 3-4 months it was back and 2 lumps grew back this time, one was only small but got really big, the first one hasn't grown too much but of course I don't know what is happening underneath. He started losing lots of weight, down from 7.5 kg to 4.8 kg. I was putting castor oil on as it is supposed to draw it but it was difficult to cover and he was licking it off and I think that is why he was losing weight. Anyway, I wanted to do natural remedies, I won't take him back to vet. I have been doing Budwig diet, one teaspoon flax oil to 3 tsp cottage cheese or quark, blended and giving him about a tsp a day. Also which I find is great is C-caps Petalive which are a herbal remedy and also Essiac Tea which I have read is fantastic. something is working because he is getting back to normal, the tumors haven't grown for ages and he is a lot happier. Hope this helps someone.

[jalil828]

My kitty Lily how is about 7 years old was just diagnosed with fibrosarcoma yesterday.  The vet took one look and said this is what is was.  I asked how he knew for sure with testing and he called his wife also a vet and described the signs and she knew exactly what it was. he had her on speakerphone.  After reading these posts I know he's right.  In 1/12 this felt like a tiny pebble under her skin as of toady 11 months later its about the size of a golfball on her left shoulder blade.

So far she is acting normal like its not even there.  He said the same thing all you have heard, surgery is expensive and its still likely to return.  I don't have the funds for surgery and due to its likeliness to return I've decided that's not even an option.  It hasn't opened yet but he said that can happen at anytime.  So for now I have her on a wet diet and I've ordered some lactoferrin both for her and myself.  I'm glad to see someone mention this supplement as I was thinking of ordering it for myself anyway.  

My heart goes out to all of you who have lost a pet do this this cancer and those of you dealing with it now.  Losing a pet is like losing your best friend.

I'll try to keep you posted as she progresses.

[opus88]

I am so sorry to read this devastating news abt your poor Lily.....I'm sure your still reeling from the news.
I get so angry every time I read of more VAS cases...Your Vet is correct in telling you that even with surgery the tumors do return and after its been disturbed it tends to return with a vengeance...this is termed seeding, so named b/c the cancer 'seeds' tend to spread after an invasive procedure.

I've done some looking on how to treat holistically from my very TRUSTED source. here are some supplement for treating cancer in cats that are highly recommended, some I have't found the correct dosage on yet, if you are interested in ordering let me know and I will spend more time finding that info.

VITAMIN C....this one is by far the best absorbable one and safe for cats...avail at these 2 locations. they come in packets give 1 per day spread out throughout the 24hr period...contains alcohol in the packet so open packet and let air for half hour prior to giving. mix with a broth and use syringe.

http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/4647.1.1242026391510005089/liposome-encapsulated/lypo-spheric-vitamin-c.html

http://www.amazon.com/Lypo-Spheric-Vitamin-Box-30-packets/dp/B000CD9XGC


TURMERIC:
http://www.iherb.com/EuroPharma-Terry-Naturally-CuraMed-375-mg-60-Softgels/44575
-supports immune system and has tumor shrinking properties...good for humans and cats too but need to use the safe brand for cats...I need to find the correct dosage if you are interested in ordering.

ESSIAC.....a capsule made into a tea/cool give 1/2 ounce for a 15lb cat via dropper in side of mouth(absorbed thru mucous membrane)

http://www.iherb.com/Essiac-Canada-International-Essiac-Vegicaps-500-mg-60-Capsules/12469

I am wishing you and dear Lily all the luck in the world, do keep us posted♥

[alaiia]

Google NEOPLASENE and see if it is an option for you. Best prognosis is when the tumor is small.

I have a cat I am treating with this with a vet - as an alternative to surgically removing her leg - with unlikely positive results, I did not want to go the standard route and torture her with amputation and chemo.

Original growth was the size of a pea, and I WISH I had know about neoplasene as an option at that time about 1.5 years ago. I only learned about it at the regrowth... size of 1/2 a pear, attached to her right flank.

Its a large open wound, but the tumor is debulking within a month.
Daily dressing changes are required, and she dropped 3 lbs in a month and is very dehydrated. I am countering this with liquid food, hi-calorie paste, force feeding with syringes of AD, and sub-Q fluids.

I felt this was the best option to do SOMETHING then let her suffer and die, as the tumor was breaing through her skin... when amputation is not feasible or unlikely to help. Fibrosarcoma is known to come back aggressively, due to the difficulty in getting clean margins - due to the 'roots' that spread out into surrounding tissue.

Neoplasene is a topical gel that targets abnormal cells, causing them to die. Buckmountain Botanicals is the manufacturer. Call them to find a vet in your area that does this protocol... and do research on this process... there is a LOT of work to take care of your cat with this... and a lot of supplies for dressings... but it is significantly less then surgery.

Message me if you want info on my experience. I have been doing this with my cat Chloe since Nov 1. 2012 and am currently ongoing on this...

P.S. I didnt realize she was dehydrated until this morning, and she has been for a week I believe... Vet didnt check that on the last visit... pull the skin, if it doesnt bounce down, that is dehydration. I know how to give Sub-Q fluids because I had a CKD cat previously.

[opus88]

thx you so much for posting your story on neoplasene, I've heard of this treatment and some good results with...if you read back on this thread to a july 19/12 you can see where it is mentioned, this is good to bump this info up once again.
I wish your dear kitty all our best of wishes for this treatment and its success!!!! you sound very much like you know what you are doing and I commend you highly for that.
I agree the neoplasene way is a much less invasive and humane treatment..
Please keep us informed how your kitty is doing and again sending you both some warm healing ((hugs))

http://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/index.html

[Cucciolo]

I guess that poor kitty has been now long gone... I had a WHOLE FAMILY of cats (8 !) that developed different tumours, 2 had Fibrosarcoma ( both INJECTION, NOT only vaccine dependent) , and one had a squamous cell carcinoma of the mandible, which grew to be quite big in size, but on the outer part of the mandible, so not really bothering her. She would eat tons of food, the way she had all her life, and when that tumour opened, I would clean it with CALENDULA WATER, she seemed to enjoy that very much. it never got infected cause I alternated that an an antibiotic cream. Eventually she developed kidney failure and had to be put to sleep, at 19 and a half... She had enjoyed life to the end and I miss her so.
If I may suggest, limit drugs in cancer patients, I find Chemotherapy has poor results and brings about a lot of pain for your pet... Radiotherapy is worse ( tried it on my first cat, fibrosarcoma) , a lot of unnecessary pain and anesthesia. he tumour comes back quickly. Surgery is ok if the tumour is small in size and not too aggressive...
LOVE and TENDER CARE give them a better quality of life till the end...

[Cucciolo]

Hi, so sorry about your kitty... Can understand you so well, I had a whole family of 8 cats, all dying due to cancer. 2 had fibrosarcoma, I do think it 1 case it was vaccine- related, but not in the otherr, since I never let the vet do ANY vaccines on her ( she was the other cat s daughter ) , but she got ONE shot of cortisone at 16, and ONE month later I found this " lump" the size of a rice seed...!
i wish you the best of luck with your new protocol, but would recommend you get the MITOTIC index of your cat s fibrosarcoma ( the speed at which the cancer cells reproduce themselves) . If it is low, that alone would explain the fact that fibrosarcoma has not reappeared. A definite solution is the amputation of the leg.  Know, the mere word makes me feel bad... but I ve been friendly with a Professor of Veterinary Oncology since the day my first cat had his tumour in 1995, and he s considered one of the most reputable surgeons in the world. Discussed surgery many times with him,sometimes he would refuse  to perfom one, either because the tumour was too advanced, or beacuse, at 16, he thought the cat was too old for that...
He definetely advises surgery in ALL cases of FIBROSARCOMA,as he puts it " to cut, in this case, is the ONLY cure ".
Besides, cats live very well on 3 legs,( had one, amputated after car accident) and you could enjoy having her for so much longer... best of luck to you and your kitty!

[Cucciolo]

Having sadly had quite a few of my cats with Fibrosarcoma ( 2 in same family, but another 3 from different breeds) I draw your attention to the fact that

FIBROSARCOMA IS OFTEN, BUT NOT ONLY, VACCINE RELATED. In my experience it is also INJECTION RELATED ( cortisone, vitamins, you name it...) SO, BE CAREFUL that your vet injects  IN THE LEGS, !NOT IN THE NECK of your cat!!

Should a cancer develop on injection site, an amputation is always possible... That would save the cat s life! I have gone through ALL SPRTS of protocols: surgeries ( multiple), radiation therapy ( NEVER AGAIN, A TORTURE FOR KITTY!!) , chemotherapy, holistic medicine etc... Only to postpone putting them to sleep by a mere FEW MONTHS...
An amputation is difficult to decide, but can teally be LIFE SAVING, and cats adapt to 3 legs BEAUTIFULLY....

[Cucciolo]

Hi,so sorry about your kitty... Lost 8 to cancer, many to fibrosarcoma... IT S NOT YOUR FAULT, rabies vaccine is one of the many risks, wish vets would FINALLY TELL YOU, or learn themselves, that injections MUST NOT bein the NECK! One of my cats, at 16, had never had vaccines after those as a kitty ( she was not going out) . She got a SINGLE shot of cortisone in the neck at 16, and one month later she had fibrosarcoma...

Hope your memories of your cat have brought you solace and , maybe, you now have another one to love...

[Cucciolo]

Hi, 8 cats with different cancers, many with fibrosarcoma. Tried all, including ACEMANNIN. my advice: tender loving care, or surgery.... I had one undergo surgery at 16 for this cancer, but her kidneys were perfect ( she ate less meat than other cats, since she loved veggies and...fruit) . So it s very much an individual choice. But don t let your vet talk you into radiation ( a torture for a cat, have tried, unfortunately), and chemotherapy has poor results with fibrosarcoma. Special food ( low in protein and carbs) can be ordered at your vet, especially made for cancer patients, by Hill s. Good luck to you and your kitty, enjoy the time you have with her,...

[newt810]

How has the Neoplasene work since this is Feb 2 2013.  

I had surgery done to remove the small tumor 2 weeks ago and it is fibrosarcoma.  The vet wants a board certified vet to take her leg off.
She is 12  1/2 yrs old.

He thinks we caught it very early but wants to act quickly..  There are side and deep margins left per the biopsy report.
The vet that did the original tumor surgery is not board certified. but I do have confidence in him.

My husband does not was to amputate the leg.  The vet is concern about 6 months from now when the visible cancer returns.  I saw there is a vaccine from Merel for fibrosarcoma that was tested in 2012 in Fla and a couple other states.  Has anyone else seen this.  The FDA was suppose to approve /disapprove it after mid May 2012.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  

I have 3 other cats that got the same shot   3 yr rabies    4 yrs ago...

never again....  but I do give my vet credit...they will not give 3 yr shots to cats.....and each shot is given on a separate leg and mark in the pets files so they can trace any problem to the shot/manufacturer...

[newt810]

   how it is going with the herbal....

   I just had a small tumor removed and my husband does not want to amputate her leg at 12 yrs....

[newt810]

I read your comment doing the surgery with a low mitosis...my cats number  is 2/10 hpt which if I understood it correctly ..that is a good sign.

Would you ask your doctor friend if he has heard of the Feline Fibrosaroma Vaccine trials that took place  in 2012... The results are suppose to be in but my Vet is not aware of them because he is not an oncologist (sp).

Thank you for any assistance you are able to give me or anyone else who reads this blog....

[opus88]

hi I'm so sorry to read abt your kitty and this horrible dx....the posters you are asking questions too haven't posted on Medhelp for awhile, the best bet you have of getting in touch is thru a Private message, they should get notification of this in their emails....
send each a PM by clicking on their name than you'll see in the upper right hand side (just below the banner)....the word message usually written in red. click on that than type in your msg. I hope you will get replies and some info from them.

meanwhile I will send you a site that deals with clinical trials in different states....perhaps that will lead you to a contact us link to further assist you in finding the specific trial you are looking for. if so I would really appreciate an update so we can all know also.

best of luck to you in your search in to your dear kitty and a long loving life with those that love her so much♥

http://www.petcancercenter.org/Clinical_Trials_Current_Cats_General_Cancer.html

[newt810]

thanks,,,,,done !

[newt810]

http://www.vcchope.com/

http://vcchope.com/resource-center/clinicaltrials


Here is the link for the clinical trials .  Check it out.  If you have a question contact them, leave a message and ask for the clinic trial person.  She was very helpful today and double checked to make sure there all trials were listed.
If you are in Ga.  there is an open trial at the University of GA.  There may be others depending on your location.

[medcd]

I don't want to get vaccines for my cats.  They had rabies and other vaccines when they were younger.  I am afraid of the vaccine-related cancers.  I have never seen a case of rabies or heard of a pet having rabies, nor have I seen a rabid animal around.  On the other hand I have seen three pets in the last several years die due to vaccine-related cancers.  It's so sad that my vet now injects rabies vaccine into the leg instead of should so the leg could be removed "in case" the vaccine-related tumor develops.  That is insane.  We over vaccinate our animals and its killing them.  It is the law here that I have to get rabies vaccines, so I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.  My cats are indoors and go outside only with me on a leash.  I don't believe they need to be vaccinated every year for rabies or anything else.