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Very aggressive / violent 4 year old

by JPJonz, Nov 30, 2007 11:28AM
My spouse and I are having tremendous problems with our 4 year old son's aggressive / violent behavior towards both of us (primarily my spouse, who is his stay at home parent) and his play group class mates.  He'll sometimes go into seemingly unprovocted fits of anger where he's almost uncontrollable for 10-20 minutes.  His behavior includes hitting, kicking, scratching, throwing objects and almost constant name calling.  Admittedly, we've been inconsistent with our methods of dealing with him.  We've tried everything, time-out / naughty chair, taking things away from him, spanking (we've given up on spanking because it only seems to make him more angry), ignoring what we can (name calling) and modifying his diet.  We are especially concerned because we just learned that we have another baby on the way.  Our son was 11 weeks premature and endured a very difficult 11 week hospital stay.  My spouse is very concerned that the stress of dealing with our son may contribute to a more difficult pregnancy.  We're pretty certain that the pregnacy will already be considered high risk.

Can you please offer some advice on how to more effectively deal with / reverse our son's behavior?  Also, is there any known link between long, difficult NICU stays and future behavior / anger issues?  How worried should we be by his behavior?

A little more history:  Our son is often very kind, but his behavior has been getting worse.  He's very smart and very coordinated.  He's also very small for his age.  We never noticed anything like this until after he started his playgroup in the fall of 2006.  He was often the victim of aggressive behavior then, but learned quickly to fight back with a vengeance.  This school year he seems to be one of the aggressors, especially towards younger kids.  He has a real difficulty playing on his own for long.  Not paying attention to him seems to be one thing that sets him off (other triggers include being hungry, tired or having his schedule out of whack).

Please help!!
Member Comments

by ShaolinZen, Nov 30, 2007 11:34AM
Hey JP, I wrote something just now that might help. I can see a lot of the advice I have given you have already tried but why not read through and see if there is anything helpful there?  Its in this thread:
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/show/363521

Hope you find something - best of luck and good wishes to the one on the way!

by beaner1230, Nov 30, 2007 12:26PM
my son who is 4 also displays similar behavior.  last year he was sick all the time and was in preschool 2 days a week.  this year is 5 days a week and other kids say he's a bad boy, he's told me.  i went and watched him at the playground and other kids were chasing him, he was laughing and smiling but when i pick him up he tells me the other kids are picking on him.  it is so difficult to tell him not to be aggressive and then tell him to go play t-ball or any sport and not be aggressive.  

he seems as though maybe he is bored.  i know when my son gets bored he gets aggressive.  tell your husband to take him for walks, help with yard work and keep him involved even if he moves the vacuum around too.  little things to make him feel like a big boy.  make sure when you tell him he has a baby brother or sister he's the man of the house now.  that's what i did with my son and he takes good care of his brother, yes there is still aggression at home too, don't get me wrong.  i have tons of friends with boys and they seem to go through this hitting pushing, biting stage although unacceptable.   it should pass i hope.

another thing to try is play- doh.  if there is something he really likes help him mold it out of play doh.  that really helps keep my kids attention. puzzles and lincoln logs.  hope this helps keep us all posted.

by jjlj, Jan 07, 2008 07:41AM
To: jpjonz
hi, i just found this site and read your letter, i just wanted to let you know your not alone my eldest son also has the same behavior problms and unfortunatly it has only got worse with age he is now 6 he is very sensetive and inteligant for his age, he took to his new brother well at first but now he's 1 and up and about he has become very violent towards him. This behavior was picked up when he was only 1 1/2 when health profetionals sent him to a special needs school thinking he had ADHD spcialist said that wasnt what it was and thats were it all started realy he has seen several child sychiatrists and sycologists,doctors,and health visiters now he has an emotional support worker at school no one has had any ideas for us so i can only wish you luck

by uscggal, Jan 10, 2008 07:08PM
To: JPJonz
First of all, work on prevention----ensure that your son is well fed & well rested (deficiency in either of these categories can make any kid act irrationally). Next, make sure that you do physical activitites every day. Boys are just filled with energy, and they have a much larger demand for large gross motor skill tasks. Get him outside-kick a ball, play tag, hide and seek, baseball, etc. And avoid situations that you know promote his aggression.
If you've done everything to prevent aggression and it still occurs, nip it in the bud quickly (consistently, firmly, but also lovingly), and help your son express his emotions in other ways. Your son turned to aggression as a defense mechanism, and this behavior was rewarded (and therefore reinforced), because it worked for him. Now you have to change that-this behavior must never be reinforced-let him know that aggression will not get him what he wants. Also, keep up with the time outs (they do work). Tell him you understand that he is mad/sad/frustrated, etc, and that these feelings are all okay, but that he needs to use his words to express how he feels. (**Reward him any time he uses his words instead of his hands in the future**)

Promote good behavior as well--don't just point out when he is being bad, but when he is behaving well. You can also go one step further and make it a point to reinforce good behavior (say to him, "mommy (or daddy) noticed that you were very well behaved today. we are very proud of you. how about we go out for ice cream as a special treat?")

That's all I have, take it if you'd like :) & Good luck.

by SMILES1919, Jan 14, 2008 10:47PM
To: Jpjonz
i just posted a question about my four year old as well.  My son does similar things.  i don't think he is quite as violent, I'll check with day-care tommorrow, but He throws fits.  Your son seems extremely intelligent, and coordinated.  My son is also.  I wonder if it has anything to do with boredom, or not getting enough physical activity during the day.  Maybe they just need a physical outlet. My sons behavior is worse also if he is hungry or tired.  Good Luck with your pregnancy.  I also heard a good quote at church yesterday.  "The only way you can fail as a parent is if you give up". ....so keep on keepin on. :)

by kolokolchik, Jan 20, 2008 08:48PM
Hi Everyone,

My friend's son is extremely agrressive towards others, plus he cries a lot, when smth is not his way. I was checking the net in search how does DIET affect child's behaviour. I heard it had smth to do with the fact that LIVER doesn't tolerate some food products like (popular - MILK), this might be an issues. This is just some food for thought.

by smokeyjojo, Jan 23, 2008 03:21PM
hi i have a four year old who started infant school in september. when he is at home he is a very good boy( he has his moments like all 4 year olds!) latley in school he has started being very aggressive, kicking, biting other children and he also urinated on another child. we have tried rewarding him for good behaviour and the teacher has set him tasks to do throughout the day to keep him occupied which worked at first but his behaviour is really worrying us. i had a baby boy who is 3 months old and we moved house 5 months ago so i dont know if this has anything to do with it. we are worryed sick with his behaviour and really dont know what to do. when you ask why he has done these things he just shrugs his shoulders and turns away. can anyone help?

by hiker1963, Jan 23, 2008 03:28PM
Our son was 7 weeks premature with developmental delays and still has. He is now 6years old.  He can be a very loving child then be aggresive (aggressive) and hit and kick and bite and hit himself.   We had to have a child psychologist get involved because the aggression is not in the "norm".  He was diagnosed with PDD-NOS.  When we read on it, he fit it to a tee.   Has your child been to a psychologist, etc.  Behavioral modification is a must with aggressive behavior, because we get hurt, children get hurt, etc.  Being pregnant, you don't need any stressors.   My prayers are with you.

by babblingfool, Jan 23, 2008 04:12PM
To: JPJonz
Set an appt ASAP with your child's pediatrician for a behavior eval.  Sounds like you need intervention now prior to the new babe's arrival.  Hang in there and continue to show him your love and support!  good luck!!

by froot, Jan 23, 2008 04:24PM
To: JPJonz
I have a 3 year old who was 3 months premature. He has the same violent actions but has had them since birth really. There is no arguing with him and I am at a loss what to do.

by lilpearl, Jan 28, 2008 11:27PM
I just posted a question as well about my 3 year old with pretty much the same behavioral issues. if you find something out PLEASE let me know. ill take any advice i can get. its just unhappy for such a little child to be so mean and angry all the time.

by the way, he has a younger brother who is 1, and they generaly get along very well. just normal sibling rivalry over toys, and parents attention. other than that they are like best friends and the oldest will do anything to help his brother. I think it helped that when i was pregnant with his brother i always made sure i told him it was his baby . not mommies, or daddies baby but his baby as well, then he felt more included in the responsibility of his brother. and he is a VERY proud big brother.  i also made sure that i included him with tasks after his broher was born, just little things, and he felt like he was a big part in taking care of his brother.

by vanitha76, Jun 21, 2008 01:23AM
To: to mid help
hello
sir my kid 4 years old he is opening his nekker zip and shaking that pls how he leave his problem pls tell us thanks.
sowmya
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