Swine Flu discussion

Let's open a discussion on the swine flu. What are your thoughts?
First and most importantly is to strengthen your immune system.
Do you think there are any natural resulutions to overcome this swine flu? Most are recovering but some are dying from developing pneumonia, from their immune systems being weak from the flu.
I personally think it would have to be some very strong anti virals. Not just the basics including kiolic garlic, vit C (ester), etc.
I personally like oreganol oil and  grapeseed extract. All of these would probably have to be as pure as you can get them and in high dosages.  I like to take oreganol oil sublingually before swallowing, and I use great american which is very pure.

I want to hear from you....not copy and paste....:)  :)  I want this to be a challenge!  

[margypops]

As we are only 70 miles from the boder here and they said yesterday that O Bama is leaving it open, we will be quite at risk, so I have already upped my dose of Vit C and am writing out your suggestions of what to take, they advised yesterday to wash hands a lot, no touching mouth etc,its difficult to wash when you are at a store and its got plenty of folks shopping and you are touching everything.I guess if it gets worse we will have to use masks like they are dishing out in Mexico. Dont know what else we can do,

[stella5349]

As I am a thyroid patient on Armour thyroid - and a CO leader for that board here. I seriously want to do some checking on this particular strain and where it actually is coming from right now.

I don't know much about the actual virus itself and what symptoms to look for. Someone should post those here too.

As for boosting your immune system - WAY FOR SURE - zinc - VitC - and wash wash wash your hands.

Working in a school - you can bet those kids will be getting a talking too!

[margypops]

Enoch Choi MD has posted some good information for us ,I saw it on the side bar he is going to update it as he hears more. its hard to be able to steer clear in my area, folks are coming over the border each day, he says beware of coughs...

[SassyLassie]

I will be taking extra vitamin C crystals, I like things that are in liquid form, I will also start taking my Echinacea tincture, extra vitamin A and also extra zince.

This scares me, my immune system has never been the best, and with all the stress I have been having, I am sure it is run down even more, so you can bet I am going to do all I can to keep from getting it.

So far, I don't think any has been reported in my state, Washington, but, I would not be surprised to hear that Seattle reports it first, it is a "port" city.

[laura1967]

margypops- Oh my, yes you are very near the border. Please be careful and carry hand sanitizer with you. After you touch door knobs....pump gas....etc. I would be tempted to get some of the surgical masks that the oriental always use to protect themselves from SARS, etc.
bionicman- yes grapefruit seed extract is good, but i was actually speaking about grapeseed extract....just as powerful.

I have a spray called "four thieves" viral spray....the combination of this was used back during the black plag days by thieves when they were out and about stealing.....kept them from contracting it. You should be able to get it from any healthfood store or they can order it for you. You can also find it online too. Herbs of Light is who makes the one I have. I keep it in my medicine cabinet just for emergencies like this. I have never had to open it yet. You spray it on a cloth and cover your nose and mouth with it when exposed to virus or bacteria and breathe the vapors. The ingredients have in it: angelica root, clove, camphor, wormwood, sage, juniper berry, rosemary, horehound flower, elecampane root.
Very interesting product and worth having on hand just in case....for me anyway.

Sassie- Yes I prefer liquid too....I am a thyroid patient and don't always absorb and metabolize things properly.

[PlateletGal]

"I have a spray called "four thieves" viral spray...."

Did you purchase that from the Hansa Center ?

After I heard about the swine flu, I immediately went to the drug store and purchased 2 boxes of Oscillococcinum, which is the #1 flu medicine in France. My great aunt had success with it. I just hope that I won't need to use it.... I live in the southwest too !  = (

[laura1967]

I purchased mine at my local healthfood store. There are several makers of four thieves now. All based with the same ingredients. :)
I too have Oscillococcinum in my medicine cabinet!! I have never gotten any of the flu bugs going around, because I pop those at first sign of my daughter bringing bugs home from school! lol Plus we get all northerners down here bringing all the winter bugs!

[margypops]

I didnt think about the hand sanitizer they do wipes aswell I think, most stores here have them for use at the door, thing is we all share the store and public places so the folks coming in from Mexico visit the same areas, San Diego as been hit thats 60 miles from us.I got flu aronds 2002 it was the worst thing I had then it turned into pnuemonia (pneumonia) was given Biaxin and all was well, I havent forgotten it ...so I am really paranoid about this..I have made notes from all your posts and am off to my Sprouts store , they will be expecting me, I have shares in the Place!!thanks to deep diver.

[Lainey356]

I was just mentioning on the Fibro board a product called OPC. It's an amazing product. It comes in a powder form so it's super absorbable. It has grapeseed extract, redwine extract, pycnoginal, bioflavinoids, and lots of other good things. Check out this super antioxident. I get mine from a friend, but check online, I'm sure it's easy to find. I'll also be upping my vit C, and stocking up on the B complex and throwing in some CoQ10! I'm already a compulsive hand washer so I have that covered.  lol
Good Luck Everyone!

[laura1967]

Adding to bionicman's post....most of the deaths are due to developing pneumonia from the immune system being supressed due to the flu.

That is why it is so important to take Preventative measures.....thus preventative medicine.

[laura1967]

Thank you for that suggestion. I will definately do some reading on that!

Also want to say welcome!! So glad you have joined us!!  :)

[PlateletGal]

I definitely agree with you. I don't know if you read this on MSNBC, but I was surprised to read recently that medical and scientific experts believe that BACTERIA, and not influenza was the cause of death during the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic.

[sk123]

Dr. Enoch Choi is going to be doing a health chat on Wednesday about the swine flu. I plan on attending. My mom keeps warning me about this flu and I'm going to Mexico for a wedding next month!

http://www.medhelp.org/health_chats/list_upcoming

[PlateletGal]

Great time for a wedding in Mexico...  NOT !  ;  ^)

I may register for Dr. Choi's health chat. I would like to know more about how viruses mutate and the impact of that. I would also like to ask him what his thoughts are on that recent MSNBC article about experts now saying that the 1918 Spanish flu deaths were due to bacteria and not the virus itself.

[margypops]

Can Oscillocccinum be purchased OTC  from any drug store? Thanks

[Paxiled]

Where to start?  Are you guys really that frightened of the flu?  Here's the thing about this flu -- quite the contrary of what's being talked about here.  Those in Mexico who have been infected are young with quite strong immune systems, not weakened immune systems.  So there's no evidence at this point that extreme immune system strengthening will help.  Second, it's not really flu season anymore, so it's likely not to be that bad until next fall, with the next flu season.  So far, only people in Mexico have died, and there is no evidence yet that they even had this flu, which isn't actually swine flu but a combination of four different strains of flu, only one being swine.  So we don't know yet why in Canada and the US this is just a flu and in Mexico it's a killer.  

People don't die from pneumonia because the flu weakens the immune system, they already have a weakened immune system, are usually older, and have a weakened pulmonary system.  Also, most who die from pneumonia get it in the hospital, where pneumonia is epidemic.  So stay away from the hospital.  

Bi was right, grapeseed extract and the OPCs are wonderful antioxidants, but don't protect against the flu.  Grapefruit seed extract is a very strong antifungal and antibacterial, but again, probably not an antiviral.  Oregano oil may be an antiviral.  Olive leaf extract and elderberry are two of the strongest antivirals in the plant world, but remember, both only help after you have a virus.  There are also formulas for persistent viruses that rely on herbs such as isatis and lomatium and St. John's Wort; herb pharm makes a very good one.  

Ecchinacea shouldn't be taken long term; it overstrengthens the immune system.  Better to take astragalus combinations, such as the one made by Gaia.  But again, this flu has been mostly hitting the healthy, not the weakened.  And we don't yet know what it is.  We know there's a flu out there, but we don't know if the people in Mexico actually had it.  

Oscillo is good at delaying flu, but usually it will come eventually.  It's a homeopathic made by Boiron, and can be found at any health food store and probably most drug stores these days.  It must be taken three full vials of pills to work.

Finally, just relax, everyone.  With the US medical system, this is just a flu.  And you don't close a border because of the flu, if everyone did that the economic depression that followed would kill far more people than any flu.  This isn't 1918, we know how to give fluids and care for people now.  

[margypops]

Can I buy Oscilloccinium at any drug store or is it on prescription ,

[laura1967]

you can buy it at a healthfood store or some of your drug stores. It is good to have on hand for any upper respiratory infection or flu. You have to take it at first signs though....the directions are on it. :)

[PlateletGal]

I'm just going to:

a) stay home as much as possible
b) wash my hands frequently and preach to my husband so he will do the same ; ^ )
c) work on my immune system
d) have 2 boxes of Oscillocccinum ready to go... just in case. Of course if I get the flu, I'll be taking it along with whatever else the ER or my PCP prescribes for me.

[sk123]

Luckily, it's not my wedding in Mexico. It is definitely non-essential travel, though. If I decide to not go (and it seems like my boyfriend is leaning towards not going), I'll have to see if I can get a refund on my airline tickets.

[laura1967]

Good luck on the refund....they had it on the news tonight about how the airlines are forcing you to reschedule before May something....rediculous....like this illness is going to pass by the middle of May!!  Big Dummies.......you would think they would be a bit kinder in this economy in wanting some return business!

PlateletGal- I am starting Vitamin infusions next week! I think I will start a thread on it!

[elcyd]

I have delayed my trip to Canada by a few weeks to see whether the Swine Flu decides to peter out.  I do not fear for myself as I am relatively strong but I fear for my mother who I am going to see and as airplanes are virus hell holes I don't want to risk it.

So here is my list of immune system builders

Vit C
Magnesium
Drink water. Keeping hydrated helps prevention
Vit D3 - get out into the sun
Sodium bicarbonate - I have become very interested in the PH factor of the body
and IODINE, yes the Universal Pathogen

There is an interesting article on IMVA talking about building immunity.

Cindy

[Paxiled]

Heard on tv that airplanes are actually one of the safest places to avoid a virus, since air is refreshed more frequently than nearly any other place.  Apparently this is an urban myth.  Said there are really no cases of mass outbreaks on airplanes.  Different once they're on the ground, of course.

[PlateletGal]

"Those in Mexico who have been infected are young with quite strong immune systems, not weakened immune systems."

That is what I've been reading about the Spanish flu. But since I have Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome, I think I should work on boosting my immune system. However, I wouldn't recommend this for people who are already healthy.

[PlateletGal]

That's right... the massage therapist has one huge tuna in each hand and slaps it on your back ! LOL !

Does something about this sound fishy ?  ; ^ )

[PlateletGal]

Spanish flew ?

[Paxiled]

Sooty, I thought you said flue.

[gymdandee]

Key WHO Pandemic Advisors had Financial Ties to Vaccine Makers

    This was perhaps suspected, but when the World Health Organization finally released a list of its pandemic advisors, it finally confirmed that at least five of the key players who influenced the phase six pandemic declaration indeed had financial ties to vaccine makers.

    As we now know, our tax dollars were completely wasted on these nonessential pandemic vaccines, and it appears as though financial conflicts of interest between WHO pandemic advisors and the industry may have had a great deal to do with it.

    Is it really wise to take advice from people who have a financial stake in the outcome of the decision to declare a worldwide pandemic?

    I think recent history tells us the answer is clearly NO!

    On June 24th, the European Parliamentary Assembly criticized the lack of transparency and "grave shortcomings" in the decision-making processes relating to the pandemic, stating:

In fact, in April, Michael Osterholm, director of the national Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), publicly admitted that flu shots don't work in the elderly.

http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta10/ERES1749.htm
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta10/EREC1908.htm
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/04/27/flu-vaccine-not-effective-in-elderly/

[Paxiled]

All your prior entries here are gone.  Sigh.

[laura1967]

Good post....its a shame that the news doesn't report these types of findings huh?

What prior entries are gone Pax?  Did they have links with them? That may be why....linking to websites etc isn't allowed.  

[gymdandee]

Latest flu shot linked to seizures

Check the calendar, flu-shot season is here -- and if you thought last year's vaccine was bad, wait 'til you get a load of this one.

They haven't even started jabbing shoulders in earnest yet, and we're already getting terrifying warnings from the feds -- because one of the new vaccines has been linked to seizures in children.

Australia, just coming out of its flu season, had to suspend flu shots for kids -- because little ones were suffering febrile seizures at 10 times the normal rate.

It's bad enough that there's a "normal rate" of seizures associated with flu shots. The fact that it's now 10 times higher is just plain outrageous.

A febrile seizure? It's one of the most frightening things a parent or grandparent could ever witness. The child's temperature flies through the roof, causing the child to pass out, shake, stop breathing, and even turn blue.

Who knows what else will happen when this year's jab goes into wide use... but the feds aren't waiting. The CDC is already busy hawking vaccines, urging flu shots for every man, woman, and child older than six months.

That's a pretty bold recommendation when you consider that there's no evidence that flu shots cut flu deaths. None. Just look at what happened last year -- despite all the dire warnings and predictions, we Americans thumbed our collective nose at the dangerous swine flu vaccine... and we pulled through the "pandemic" just fine.

Of course, the joke was on us because we paid for those vaccines whether we used them or not -- but don't get me started on that.

[gymdandee]

Could it be that in 2009 I was respirate, bionicman, I can't remember all of them :>)
But everything was resolved between medhelp and myself

[allmymarbles]

I haven't read all the posts. In case it hasn't been mentioned anywhere, the swine flue was less severe than our old regular flu. Check the stats if you don't believe me. I never paid any attention to the scare, just as I never paid attention to the West Nile virus scare. The only people the latter killed were those already on their death beds. I caught it and it was less annoying than a cold. I was careful not to tell my doctor about it not wanting to be either a guinea pig, or a statistic.

[gymdandee]

Boost Your Immunity BEFORE You Get Sick
In order to fight back against everyday toxins in your air, water and food, there are many natural solutions to not only boost your immune system back into action… but help maintain immunity for increased protection against bacteria and viruses. One way is to avoid common triggers, foods and actions that can weaken your immune system such as coffee, stress and anxiety, over-the-counter and prescription medications, acid overload, sugar, alcohol, tobacco smoke and lack of sleep.
You should also try to modify your diet to include immune-boosting foods including:
elderberry, button mushrooms, açai berry, watermelon, cabbage, almonds, grapefruit,
wheat germ, garlic, spinach, green and black tea, sweet potatoes, broccoli
According to The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook by Alan Keith Tillotson, Ph.D., there are many nutrients found in nature that can help boost and maintain your immune system. Tillotson, along with practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM), recommend. ginseng, scute root, Echinacea, astragalus, Reishi mushrooms, andrographis, isatis, cinnamon bark, licorice

[gymdandee]

Swine Flu Scam Continues

The great Swine Flu hoax marches on, once again putting our elderly and other vulnerable people at unnecessary risk for the sake of greed and profits. While the World Health Organization has officially declared the end of the H1N1 pandemic-that-never-was, the untested H1N1 swine flu vaccine is being included in the annual flu jab this winter. Health officials claim that swine flu could still become a major epidemic, but it is most likely being done to reduce enormous stocks of the vaccine that governments were conned into ordering last year.

Flu shots usually have questionable benefits and the risk of potentially harmful side effects in the first place. The decision to include the H1N1 vaccine will result in even greater risks to large numbers of vulnerable people – including the elderly, those with heart disease and chest problems, and diabetics. The vaccine has never been properly tested and it contains a mercury-based preservative, thimerosol. Last year, key workers who were vaccinated against the supposed swine flu pandemic reported having headaches, sleeplessness and stomach cramps.

A new study in the September 8 issue of Journal of American Medical Association suggests that the 2009 H1N1 flu virus had lower risk of most serious complications compared to recent seasonal flu strains. The study by Edward A. Belongia, M.D., of the Marshfield Clinic Research Foundation, and colleagues found that the 2009 H1N1 flu did not cause more hospitalizations and pneumonia, which are the most common severe complications of influenza.

Last year, some countries refused and/or denounced the H1N1 vaccine and a report in the British Medical Journal revealed that top scientists who convinced the WHO to declare the pandemic held close financial ties to the drug companies that profited from the sale of those vaccines. Already this year Australia has banned flu vaccines in children after reports of vomiting, fevers and seizure. Finland has also banned H1N1 flu vaccines and Sweden's Medical Products Agency (MPA) is investigating the H1N1 vaccine Pandemrix on the request of the European Commission after it has been linked to narcolepsy in children. In addition to Sweden and Finland, there have also been cases reported in France, Germany, and Norway.

The truth that mainstream medicine and the vaccine makers do not want the public to know is that there are much better and safer natural alternatives for preventing and beating the flu. Eating and living healthily to boost your bodies natural first line of defense against the flu and other illnesses is a far better plan than relying on risky and marginally effective flu jabs.

Supplementing during flu season with Vitamin D and other natural immune enhancers, immune modulators and pathogen destroyers can provide even more vital protection against the flu. And, keeping potent anti-virals on hand in case one does catch the flu can help minimize the effects and quickly knock it out.

Superior immune boosters include:
Oleander extract, Echinacea, (forget the flawed mainstream studies!) Pau d’arco, Suma, Astragalus, Medicinal mushrooms, Beta glucans, Aloe vera

Superior natural anti-viral pathogen destroyers include  Colloidal Silver, Garlic, Olive leaf extract, Oil of wild mountain oregano, Grapefruit seed extract

Most of us have never been exposed to a Swine or Avian type flu, and thus our bodies have no natural antibodies for them. As a result, exposure to such flus runs the risk of causing the release of a cytokine storm, which can literally eat up our lungs or drown us. In addition to anti-virals it would also be very wise to also take natural immune modulators to help prevent such a dangerous over- reaction. Notably, vitamin D3 is a strong immune modulator. Others include:
Magnesium (which most of us are deficient in to begin with) Curcumin, Blackseed oil (Nigella sativa)

Build a Good Natural Foundation for the Best Health and Longevity

Whether you want to live longer and healthier or you want to address a specific health concern, building a good healthy natural foundation is essential. Just like you cannot expect to get good results from patching a roof on a building with a shaky foundation, the same is true of your body.

To build your own healthy natural foundation, begin replacing bad habits with good ones and take healthy measures such as these:

Avoid processed sugar as much as possible. According to the WHO, refined sugar is the number one cause of illness in the world. Likewise avoid artificial sweeteners. None of them are safe and Aspartame is the worst of all.

Avoid excessive alcohol. A glass or two of wine is OK and so is a beer or two (though wine is healthiest).

Avoid cigarettes and tobacco products. Likewise avoid excessive caffeine.

Avoid cell phone use and avoid prolonged exposure to electrical and microwave radiation.

If you are overweight, begin a slow and healthy weight loss program where you burn more calories than you consume.

Eliminate chemical toxins from your home and workplace environment, such as commercial cleaning products, air fresheners and air sprays, cosmetics, deodorants, pesticides and herbicides.

Eat a very healthy mostly raw and mostly vegan diet with some organic meat (good choices are oily cold water fish, free range organic chicken and small amounts of organic free range beef). Include healthy fats; get plenty of omega-3s and healthy nuts, roots, tubers and seeds. Make sure your vegetables and fruits include a wide variety of colors to get the best array of phyto-nutrients. Eat organic vegetables and fruits when possible (they usually contain more nutrients and fewer pesticides). Such a diet is much more in tune with what mankind developed to eat for millennia.

Get plenty of regular sunshine, both direct and indirect, in order to get ample amounts of vital Vitamin D3 and other healing benefits from sunshine. Vitamin D3 is literally essential for life and it helps fight and prevent illness, including cancer. When weather, climate and/or location make it impossible to get enough , take supplemental Vitamin D3 (500 to 1000 mg daily).

Avoid junk foods, fast foods, trans fats, and as much as possible processed foods on grocers shelves which have had the nutrition processed out and harmful additives processed in for shelf life, taste, texture and color.

Include regular physical activity. Healthy exercise need not be strenuous - moderate is just fine. The key is "regular".

Eliminate stress as much as possible in your life - it is indeed the "silent killer". Avoid stressful people and situations. Take time out to "smell the roses" on a regular basis.

Make sure that you get optimum daily amounts of vitamins, minerals and other nutrients. Often these amounts are significantly greater than the minimal RDA amounts, which are merely the amount needed to prevent vitamin-deficiency related disease. As many as 80-95% of us are deficient in magnesium, an essential mineral for optimum health. Likewise, most of us are deficient in other essential vitamins, minerals and other nutrients, such as digestive enzymes. Get as much of your vitamins as possible from your diet. Since it is next to impossible to get all the nutrients you need from diet alone, consider a good whole foods derived multi-vitamin product as well as a good superfoods powder.

Once you have built a healthy foundation, specific problems and concerns can be addressed with much greater chance of success.