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37th time the charm? House votes again to repeal Obamacare
House Republicans voted for the 37th time to repeal President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, Thursday evening.
The vote to repeal passed along party lines, 229-195. All Republicans present voted for the repeal, along with two Blue Dog Democrats – Jim Matheson (D-Utah) and Mike McIntyre (D-N.C.). Ten members of Congress did not vote Thursday evening.
Obama had previously announced that he would veto any attempt to repeal the law that comes across his desk.
In a speech on the floor of the House before the vote, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who sponsored the bill, compared the looming implementation of Obamacare to the iceberg that sunk the Titanic, saying, “We have time to turn!”
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) also called Obamacare a cancer on America that has metastasized. “It’s a malignant tumor, it must be ripped out by the roots and completely repealed,” he continued.
Other Republicans pointed that retiring Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) admitted recently that Obamacare is a “huge train wreck.”
Thursday also marked the first opportunity for former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford to cast a vote on a bill in Congress in more than a decade. Sanford was sworn into office Wednesday night to replace now-Sen. Tim Scott after defeating Democrat Elizabeth Colbert-Busch last Tuesday.
Democrats, naturally, weren’t thrilled to be casting another vote to repeal the bill.
“It’s just not clear to me why we are wasting the time and treasure of the American people on another futile legislative fantasy,” Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) said on the House floor Thursday morning. “In fact, it’s a legislative fantasy that’s cost the American people more than $50 million. And if in fact the Affordable Care Act were to be repealed it would do even more damage.”
“It’s often been said that the classic definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again, but somehow expecting a different result,” he added.
http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/05/16/37th-time-the-charm-house-votes-again-to-repeal-obamacare/
The vote to repeal passed along party lines, 229-195. All Republicans present voted for the repeal, along with two Blue Dog Democrats – Jim Matheson (D-Utah) and Mike McIntyre (D-N.C.). Ten members of Congress did not vote Thursday evening.
Obama had previously announced that he would veto any attempt to repeal the law that comes across his desk.
In a speech on the floor of the House before the vote, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who sponsored the bill, compared the looming implementation of Obamacare to the iceberg that sunk the Titanic, saying, “We have time to turn!”
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) also called Obamacare a cancer on America that has metastasized. “It’s a malignant tumor, it must be ripped out by the roots and completely repealed,” he continued.
Other Republicans pointed that retiring Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) admitted recently that Obamacare is a “huge train wreck.”
Thursday also marked the first opportunity for former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford to cast a vote on a bill in Congress in more than a decade. Sanford was sworn into office Wednesday night to replace now-Sen. Tim Scott after defeating Democrat Elizabeth Colbert-Busch last Tuesday.
Democrats, naturally, weren’t thrilled to be casting another vote to repeal the bill.
“It’s just not clear to me why we are wasting the time and treasure of the American people on another futile legislative fantasy,” Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) said on the House floor Thursday morning. “In fact, it’s a legislative fantasy that’s cost the American people more than $50 million. And if in fact the Affordable Care Act were to be repealed it would do even more damage.”
“It’s often been said that the classic definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again, but somehow expecting a different result,” he added.
http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/05/16/37th-time-the-charm-house-votes-again-to-repeal-obamacare/
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I often skip the readings.
I really embarrassed myself a few days ago by making comments on the comments instead of the article. Yeeesh, I cringe just thinking about it.
The above comment was for me as much as anyone else.
I often skip the readings.
I really embarrassed myself a few days ago by making comments on the comments instead of the article. Yeeesh, I cringe just thinking about it.
The above comment was for me as much as anyone else.
Read it 4 times now.....
LOL, I didn't "sum it up" I simply clicked the clink and cut and paste.
Teko is right...we cannot have serious discussions if we do not do the reading.
This isn't the Rush Limbaugh show, after all.
Teko is right...we cannot have serious discussions if we do not do the reading.
This isn't the Rush Limbaugh show, after all.
Sure you can. "Chained Consumer Price Index"... but I still don't know how it is going to do anything towards the deficit and the debt. (Both were things that were promised attention.) I read and re read the article and it sounds like the republicans are all for it... so whats the hold up? Sounds like democrats don't like it to me. I'll re re read the thing.
And referencing Social Security in the article.... the idea may be a start. At least its an idea, but there are more people taking from the system than are contributing. Not to mention the fact that Social Security coffers are often raided to fund other things. (Nothing new there.) We don't need to change the way programs like this are funded nearly as bad as we do the way they are squandered from. If we continue to allow all of the waste, it doesn't matter how you fund this and other programs, all of that money will fall through the cracks.
Government has had a problem for decades with throwing money at things that are broken rather than looking at the program, diagnosing what is wrong with the program and addressing that. Instead, cut here/throw money there and see what happens has been common place. The change we were promised is the change we need.
Government needs to change the way they do things. Spending would be a great start.
And referencing Social Security in the article.... the idea may be a start. At least its an idea, but there are more people taking from the system than are contributing. Not to mention the fact that Social Security coffers are often raided to fund other things. (Nothing new there.) We don't need to change the way programs like this are funded nearly as bad as we do the way they are squandered from. If we continue to allow all of the waste, it doesn't matter how you fund this and other programs, all of that money will fall through the cracks.
Government has had a problem for decades with throwing money at things that are broken rather than looking at the program, diagnosing what is wrong with the program and addressing that. Instead, cut here/throw money there and see what happens has been common place. The change we were promised is the change we need.
Government needs to change the way they do things. Spending would be a great start.
"YOu can't tell me what it is in just in a couple of words?"
No I can't..It's not that easy but Rivil pretty much summed it up and teko summed up the importance of it..Did you click on the link and read it? You really should because it WILL effect you if not now in the future....
No I can't..It's not that easy but Rivil pretty much summed it up and teko summed up the importance of it..Did you click on the link and read it? You really should because it WILL effect you if not now in the future....
I am not pessimistic, I am pissed off and there is a huge difference. Enuff I say.
" I"m sorry. Im not familiar with the term "chain cpi". " And the other day somone had never heard of Darrell Issa or what he represented.
If your gonna debate what is and isnt going on and who is responsible for it going on or not, it helps to have the entire picture when making assessments.
These statements go along way in helping me understand where others are coming from. Simply misinformation or uninformation at the root could be the problem.
And this my friends is where the media fails. With something as important to SS as chained cpi on the table, why does not everyone understand its importance I ask.
If your gonna debate what is and isnt going on and who is responsible for it going on or not, it helps to have the entire picture when making assessments.
These statements go along way in helping me understand where others are coming from. Simply misinformation or uninformation at the root could be the problem.
And this my friends is where the media fails. With something as important to SS as chained cpi on the table, why does not everyone understand its importance I ask.
Everyone is owned in DC.
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I agree. Short of a revolution though I don't know what we can do about it, except working with what we have and sticking on little bandaids until finally there is a total collapse.
It doesn't look promising but I feel I must add that I am not blaming the Pres for this state .Maybe what he is able to do isn't enough, maybe even if Congress didn't stand in his way at every turn, he would still not be able to fix this ailing country...but it is clear there was nobody else capable of digging us out of this hole either.
I tend to get pessimistic in the evening when I am tired.
Maybe something hopeful will rise with the sun tomorrow, eh?
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I agree. Short of a revolution though I don't know what we can do about it, except working with what we have and sticking on little bandaids until finally there is a total collapse.
It doesn't look promising but I feel I must add that I am not blaming the Pres for this state .Maybe what he is able to do isn't enough, maybe even if Congress didn't stand in his way at every turn, he would still not be able to fix this ailing country...but it is clear there was nobody else capable of digging us out of this hole either.
I tend to get pessimistic in the evening when I am tired.
Maybe something hopeful will rise with the sun tomorrow, eh?
Budget? Do we have one now?
Still, I think 130 billion over 10 years is nothing. We need to do far more than that when we are screwing off at least that much annually. We don't need a "break even" thing here. We can't afford to break even. We need to gain ground, so if this program saves 130 billion over 10 years, we need about 10 more programs just like it in order to do anything with the deficit.
If we don't change the way things are being done, that deficit and debt will keep growing and all of DC seems to be satisfied with that. I'm not.... and it matters not if one is democrat or republican. I don't think anybody there is doing anything worth a semi positive comment.
Nothings changed regardless of ANYONES promises. If you want change in government, you have to change the way government operates. If you do that, none of these turds would be in anyones pockets and things would improve. So much for that happening. Everyone is owned in DC.
Still, I think 130 billion over 10 years is nothing. We need to do far more than that when we are screwing off at least that much annually. We don't need a "break even" thing here. We can't afford to break even. We need to gain ground, so if this program saves 130 billion over 10 years, we need about 10 more programs just like it in order to do anything with the deficit.
If we don't change the way things are being done, that deficit and debt will keep growing and all of DC seems to be satisfied with that. I'm not.... and it matters not if one is democrat or republican. I don't think anybody there is doing anything worth a semi positive comment.
Nothings changed regardless of ANYONES promises. If you want change in government, you have to change the way government operates. If you do that, none of these turds would be in anyones pockets and things would improve. So much for that happening. Everyone is owned in DC.
Chained CPI is shorthand for “Chained Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers.” In short, it’s a way to index spending and taxes — including Social Security benefits — to the rate of inflation, or the rise in prices over time. But it’s not the only way.
What’s important in the context of the debate over Obama’s budget is that chained CPI would mean Social Security benefits would increase at a slower rate than they do using the current index.
What difference does it make?
As our friends over at Wonkblog pointed out last year, Social Security benefits are currently calculated using CPI-W, or the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers. (Yes, that’s a mouthful.) Over time, benefit levels tick up based on CPI-W, to keep up with the fact that a dollar twenty years ago is not worth what it is today.
Here’s the bottom line: Using chained CPI instead of CPI-W means the rate at which those benefits tick up would be slower, because the former reflects substitutions consumers would make in response to rising prices of certain items.Therein lies the “chained” part of the name. The metric utilizes a basket of goods and services that are measured changes from month to month; much like a daisy chain. If the cost of a certain form of transportation goes up, for example, people might switch to another kind. This kind of “substitution” is part of what is factored into chained CPI.
YOu can't tell me what it is in just in a couple of words? If not... that explains why nothing can get done about cpi.
In your corner of the world, Glass maybe, but it is a big country.
"I truly hope that the people will let their voices be heard again and vote these nabobs out in 2014."
Me to, that will give the Republicans control of the House and the Senate.
"I would have been out on my behind the first week of employment had I tried to pull that."
I know right?!...lol
"I truly hope that the people will let their voices be heard again and vote these nabobs out in 2014."
From your lips to GOD's ears sista!!!!
I know right?!...lol
"I truly hope that the people will let their voices be heard again and vote these nabobs out in 2014."
From your lips to GOD's ears sista!!!!
" I"m sorry. Im not familiar with the term "chain cpi". "
Click on the link I provided. It tells you all about it...
"Nonetheless, 130 billion over ten years isn't that big of a deal when you loot at the deficit.
But it IS when you look at who it effects...
We've got to do a lot better than that.
Agreed! He put something MAJOR in the table to show he was serious about a grand bargain...Where is the right's counter??????
Click on the link I provided. It tells you all about it...
"Nonetheless, 130 billion over ten years isn't that big of a deal when you loot at the deficit.
But it IS when you look at who it effects...
We've got to do a lot better than that.
Agreed! He put something MAJOR in the table to show he was serious about a grand bargain...Where is the right's counter??????
I"m sorry. Im not familiar with the term "chain cpi".
Nonetheless, 130 billion over ten years isn't that big of a deal when you loot at the deficit. We've got to do a lot better than that.
Nonetheless, 130 billion over ten years isn't that big of a deal when you loot at the deficit. We've got to do a lot better than that.
It just amazes me...The right in Washington clearly will NOT work with the President. They will NOT even vote on any of his plans for jobs, education, infrastructure, all the things that we need and they say they are for----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have been out on my behind the first week of employment had I tried to pull that.
I truly hope that the people will let their voices be heard again and vote these nabobs out in 2014.
I would have been out on my behind the first week of employment had I tried to pull that.
I truly hope that the people will let their voices be heard again and vote these nabobs out in 2014.
"I'd tell you that they have come to terms with the fact that he is President and that is precisely why they aren't willing to do any more bargaining than the President is. "
CHAIN CPI....THAT is the BIGGEST bargaining chip EVER..Obama Pissed off A LOT of liberals (myself included) with that on the table....The right wants to cut the waste from SS and Medicare right? It's the biggest deficit driver right? Well Chained CPI alone would save $130 billion over 10 yrs...So why doesn't the right want to work with that ?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/10/the-ins-and-outs-of-chained-cpi-explained/
CHAIN CPI....THAT is the BIGGEST bargaining chip EVER..Obama Pissed off A LOT of liberals (myself included) with that on the table....The right wants to cut the waste from SS and Medicare right? It's the biggest deficit driver right? Well Chained CPI alone would save $130 billion over 10 yrs...So why doesn't the right want to work with that ?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/10/the-ins-and-outs-of-chained-cpi-explained/
Promises kept.... Hmmmph, going back to some of the first promises he made on the campaign trail when we elected the man... "more transparency in government". That is a sticking point with me and always will be.
One of the first promises made and as of yet not followed through on.
(Pondering this for a while.... when elected, we had a democratic congress. That had to change for a reason. Some democrats were unseated....
"IMO, they need to just come to terms with the fact that he is president and work with him for the good of the Country.. "
I'd tell you that they have come to terms with the fact that he is President and that is precisely why they aren't willing to do any more bargaining than the President is.
One of the first promises made and as of yet not followed through on.
(Pondering this for a while.... when elected, we had a democratic congress. That had to change for a reason. Some democrats were unseated....
"IMO, they need to just come to terms with the fact that he is president and work with him for the good of the Country.. "
I'd tell you that they have come to terms with the fact that he is President and that is precisely why they aren't willing to do any more bargaining than the President is.
It just amazes me...The right in Washington clearly will NOT work with the President. They will NOT even vote on any of his plans for jobs, education, infrastructure, all the things that we need and they say they are for. They don't like him, will never like him, and will never work with him. Its a sad unfortunate truth. Instead they TRY REALLY HARD to prove that he is some sort of "Nixon" type President.
IMO, they need to just come to terms with the fact that he is president and work with him for the good of the Country..
IMO, they need to just come to terms with the fact that he is president and work with him for the good of the Country..
He has come through on his promises...Unfortunately, those promises are at a road block in the house of representatives...Without a vote on the Presidents plans that are available for all to see at www.whitehouse.gov, he will never be able to fulfill his promises. The American people know it and see it. That is why his approval ratings are sill good. Hopefully, the American people come out inf FULL FORCE in 2014 and vote all those politicians that refuse to even vote on anything OUT!..
So, the promises he's made and not followed through on mean nothing? Gotcha....
"You can blame congress for that." Why would anyone blame Congress for something that the President himself promised?
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Uhh, because they block his every move and have promised to do so for his entire term?
"Good, we all agree " Change" was nothing more than a Crock of Sh!t!"
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"You can blame congress for that." Why would anyone blame Congress for something that the President himself promised?
"Let's just impeach the guy for being Barack Hussein Obama....That sounds like a plan... " Or we could just hold him accountable for making a bunch of promises that he couldn't follow through with. Now, I'm all for that.
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