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Biden urges Democrats to comply with demands to curb U.S. gun violence

LEESBURG, Virginia (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden urged fellow Democrats in the House of Representatives on Wednesday to comply with public demands for action to reduce gun violence.

It is unclear which, if any, of Biden's gun-control recommendations Congress might approve, but the vice president said legislators have an obligation to do as much as they can.

"I don't want to hear about 'well we can't take it on because it's too politically dangerous,'" Biden told House Democrats at the opening of a three-day retreat. "There's an overwhelming consensus about the need to act."

The politically powerful gun rights lobby, led by the National Rifle Association, opposes Biden's proposals, saying they would violate Americans' constitutional right to bear arms.

However, Biden urged lawmakers to stand up to these groups and side with the American people, who clearly favor tougher gun laws, according to recent polls.

Biden's proposals include a ban on semi-automatic weapons and limits on high-capacity ammunition clips, like those used at a school massacre at in Newton, Connecticut, in December that ignited the new push for gun control.

With many Republicans and Democrats from conservative states reluctant to embrace tougher gun laws, Biden and President Barack Obama have traveled the country to try, seeking public support for their proposals.

Biden said Congress should not yield to gun-control naysayers who contend that "the risk is too high, the outcome is too uncertain."

He acknowledged that members of Congress who backed a 1994 ban on assault weapons faced a voter backlash that year that may well have cost many of them their jobs.

"I'm here to tell you the world has changed since 1994," Biden said.

"I can't imagine how we will be judged as a nation, as a people, as individuals, if we do nothing. It is simply unacceptable."
http://news.yahoo.com/biden-urges-democrats-comply-demands-curb-u-gun-025058280.html
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1310633 tn?1430224091
He's going to die, one way or another. They won't take him alive, whether it's by his own hand (i'm in agreement with Teko on this, he won't kill himself), or he's killed at the hands of the police, or other.

He kept on alluding to the fact that he "...wouldn't be around to see it...", or "I'm not going to see the results of...", etc.

He KNEW that "they" were/are going to take him out, one way or another, before this is over and done with.

Get the crazy f*k off the planet. Something in him "snapped", and when people that have guns "snap", it's never a good situation.
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I dont think he will committ suicide. I could be wrong but it seems more like he wants to handle those he feels did him wrong. They talked about how intelligent he sounds and he has extensive background training from the navy and I think they said he was one of the trainers on the police force? He also eluded to the fact that he had done every other option available to him to no avail and that included courts. It would be interesting to find out how that went? And why?

I have no doubt some of his gripes are justified, but to do what he has done and is threatening to do? If he is going to die, he is taking alot of em with him is my bet.

And I thought it very interesting when the lapd police chief admonished the news sites for carrying or giving his causes airtime? That told me right there that maybe they do have something to hide and its not all about giving other whackos ideas of copycatting.
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I wonder if he is bi polar?
Could be, it wouldn’t surprise me if he turns up dead from suicide. I kind of hope he does. I doubt he will turn himself in and if he doesn’t kill himself, there will be more murders.
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1310633 tn?1430224091
"...The letter, posted to his personal Facebook profile, delves into controversial subjects for the LAPD -- accusations of racism among officers, blatant use of the "n-word"...

I think that should read: "...racism among officers AND THEIR blatant use of the "n-word"...

I read the whole thing, and HE doesn't use the "n" word frequently, unless he's describing a situation in which it was used by a fellow officer.

His problem with the "n" word, was when 2 officers were having a discussion in the back of a van, used the "n" word in their convo, he had a problem with it and asked them to stop, they didn't, and he proceeded to jump across seats and other officers to strangle the guy that said it!

THEN, he proceeds to say that what he SHOULD HAVE DONE, was shoot the guy in the face.

Yeah, he's not a whack'job AT ALL!

Intelligent, yes, but crazy as a loon!!!

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I wonder if he is bi polar?
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206807 tn?1331936184
I read the Link you posted and watched the Anderson Cooper Video. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-celebrity_n_2642111.html
Anderson was wrong about “The Medallion” and referred to it as a “Keepsake Souvenir”. He missed a good point. It was actually his Police Challenge Coin that he shot holes in.

A challenge coin is a small coin or medallion (usually military), bearing an organization’s insignia or emblem and carried by the organization’s members. Traditionally, they are given to prove membership when challenged and to enhance morale. In addition, they are also collected by service members. In practice, challenge coins are normally presented by unit commanders in recognition of special achievement by a member of the unit.

After reading the Link, I was surprised that he appeared to be an intelligent & normal person.  The one thing that did stand out.
“The letter, posted to his personal Facebook profile, delves into controversial subjects for the LAPD -- accusations of racism among officers, blatant use of the "n-word"

But yet he  lists Louis CK as “Pure Genius”. Louis CK is known for his Racist Comedy. Here are a couple of examples on Youtube.
Louis CK - Being White
Patrice Oneal and Louis CK share etymologies

Maybe it’s because he smart enough to realize, he is a Comedian. I don’t know, I guess I was expecting to read the ranting of a deranged man
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1310633 tn?1430224091
Thanks for posting the link to Dorner's manifesto... interesting read.

The most interesting part, IMO:

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"If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives. Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor? Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle? This is the same small arms weapons system utilized in eradicating Al Qaeda, Taliban, and every enemy combatant since the Vietnam war. Don't give me that crap that its not a select fire or full auto rifle like the DoD uses. That's ******** because troops who carry the M-4/M-16 weapon system for combat ops outside the wire rarely utilize the select fire function when in contact with enemy combatants. The use of select fire probably isn't even 1% in combat. So in essence, the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle is the same as the M-4/M-16. These do not need to be purchased as easily as walking to your local Walmart or striking the enter key on your keyboard to "add to cart". All the firearms utilized in my activities are registered to me and were legally purchased at gun stores and private party transfers. All concealable weapons (pistols) were also legally register in my name at police stations or FFL's. Unfortunately, are you aware that I obtained class III weapons (suppressors) without a background check thru NICS or DROS completely LEGALLY several times? I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally. Granted, I am not a felon, nor have a DV misdemeanor conviction or active TRO against me on a NCIC file. I can buy any firearm I want, but should I be able to purchase these class III weapons (SBR's, and suppressors) without a background check and just a $10 notary signature on a quicken will maker program? The answer is NO. I'm not even a resident of the state i purchased them in. Lock n Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III weapons with just a notarized trust, military ID. Shame on you, Lock n Load. NFA and ATF need new laws and policies that do not allow loopholes such as this. In the end, I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a ******* silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!"
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He makes some good points, above, about the ease with which he was able to purchase his weapons 'systems', and I think that any loopholes in the current system, need to be closed (especially the ones he described).

Kinda kooky, the way he gave "shout outs" to basically every celebrity he could think of, not to mention the odd political figure.

Thanks again for posting...
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1494170 tn?1361750860
Christopher Dorner was a cop.  He is entitled to have an AR, right?  LOL, Yep!!!  or 50cal or whatever... maybe have to rephrase that to " was entitled "
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If anyone is interested here is what appears to be Dorner's entire manifesto. I could only find abbreviated versions until I stumbled on this one.
It's fascinating reading......up to a point.

http://www.crimefilenews.com/
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I didnt read all the threads, but Dorner has a lot more than an AR and they are illegal in California. One of em, I forget the name has bullets as big as a dollar bill and another looks like a freaking canon. They said the one gun has the power to go thru an engine block and disable a car and you can zone in on your target from a mile away.

And you have a pissed offed person, with a vindetta against the police department whether they are in uniform or not, and their families. Didnt I hear he set his car on fire too? This guy is dangerous beyond dangerous.
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1310633 tn?1430224091
(crickets)

chirp-chirp... chirp-chirp
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Now wait a minute gene53.  Christopher Dorner was a cop.  He is entitled to have an AR, right?  

(Don't worry, I just hit myself with the cast iron skillet.)
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Ft  Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~  Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote;  both families were registered     Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~  Registered Democrat;  staff worker on the Obama campaign;  Occupy Wall  Street participant; progressive liberal

Connecticut   School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat;  hated Christians,

Christopher Dorner's list of admired pals,99% liberal Democrats
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-celebrity_n_2642111.html

perhaps the gun ban is focused in the wrong direction???

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I read something the other day on the FBI site that violent crime had been on a 7 or 9 near slide for the positive... less violent crime.  As well, they had a disclosure similar to "until lately".  (Maybe its a sign of the times?)  

I've received a few emails in the last month that said that every one of the perps in the last 4 massacres were democrats or somehow affiliated with the democrat party.... Perhaps that means nothing....

There are numerous laws regarding to "driving impaired" and we still have impaired drivers on the road.  Numerous laws against perverts and we still have perverts everywhere.  You name it and we have laws against it and we still have people committing these crimes.  What we still aren't getting to is the PEOPLE.  People is the problem.  People intent on committing crimes are going to do so.  

You would think that with a 7-9 year slide in violent crimes that perhaps laws are making a difference or that people are starting to behave.... fact is, people were committing less violent crime hence the 7-9 year slide.  It had nothing to do with the legislation and proof of that is that according to some facts posted above, people are again committing violent crimes.  

Why?  That's were our efforts need to be towards.  Laws don't stop crimes.  Laws make criminals work harder to not be detected, IMO.  And for those bent on committing crimes, the laws mean nothing.  These bad guys are fine with risking anything in order to commit crimes.  (Look at jail populations across the country)

It's been said that we have more laws than any other nation out there and it is for damned sure that we have more people in jail than anywhere else on the globe.  Doesn't that tell you something???
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This is why I’m against it.
1. I don’t trust our Government (Republican or Democrat) and see it as opening Pandora’s Box. Once the door is opened, it will be just the beginning.
2. New Laws are not going to change a thing.
3. We have laws against drugs but tons of Cocaine, Heroin, Marijuana, flow into our country and we are defenseless in stopping it. Like Prohibition, all it is going to do is open the door for another Under World Trade Market.
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1310633 tn?1430224091
That was my point... which seems to have gotten lost, when I was labeled "delusional".

Criminals don't abide by the law.  

Having "limited capacity", I can see how some would think me stoopid.

Hello pot, my name's kettle.
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But those laws won't reach the criminals....
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Most americans agree there needs to be stricter gun laws in this country"

Yes they do indeed.  Let's hope that a few irrational people dont keep on 'fighting for their freedom to fight the government'...how ludicrous.  
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You're becoming delusional and with your limited capacity that's not a good sign.

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Most americans agree there needs to be stricter gun laws in this country. Now we will see if these politicians, both sides, listen to the wishes of the people or bow to special interests that pad their own pockets.
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1310633 tn?1430224091
You sure do change your mind a lot, Mike.

One minute, President Obama is responsible for lowering crime, and "everyone" (those on the Left) is singing his praises.

The next minute, crime is going up (as now it's convenient for it to be going up), because there're too many guns on the streets.

As Brice likes to say... you can't have it both ways.

Maybe you can post an article about how President Obama is responsible for a RISING crime-rate. I mean heck... if he's responsible for it when it drops, surely that makes him responsible for it when it rises.

No?
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1310633 tn?1430224091
Wow
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I'm not on any team el. That might be how you see things and I understand that it makes it simpler for you but it really has nothing to do with me. You're the black and white guy - not me. You're the up or down guy el and that's about all you've been

I post articles that I think are relevant irrespective of how they relate to politics. That violent crime post was just like my post about bank robberies - there was no ulterior motive and I wasn't laying the tidbits between the lines. It was informational and that's all it was.

I know that you're confused el - that's been quite clear for some time now.

Good luck,
Mike
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1310633 tn?1430224091
I thought that just recently, everyone on your team was shouting from the rooftops, about how violent crime was down, under President Obama.

But now, for the purpose of this particular argument, you produce an article that says that violent crime is up.

I'm confused.

Is crime UP or DOWN under President Obama?
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