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Libs upset that it was not white, christian male
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/03/2-suspects-killed-shootout-san-bernardino-massacre-14-killed/
So clearly this was a mission of terror, yet before the bodies were cold what did we hear? Well we heard the call for gun control, we heard the call that it must be a white male (probably christian). But it turns out it was a Muslim who committed these acts. Why is the left so silent? Will Obama call this terror or "work place violence"?
So clearly this was a mission of terror, yet before the bodies were cold what did we hear? Well we heard the call for gun control, we heard the call that it must be a white male (probably christian). But it turns out it was a Muslim who committed these acts. Why is the left so silent? Will Obama call this terror or "work place violence"?
Why California's Strict Gun Laws Didn't Matter In San Bernardino
"No state is an island," a gun safety advocate says, and Nevada and Arizona are right next door.
Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik walked into a San Bernardino, California, social services center on Wednesday and, armed with two assault-style rifles and two handguns, opened fire. They unleashed at least 75 rounds during the assault, killing 14 people and wounding 21. Their .223-caliber rifles had the power to penetrate ballistic vests and walls, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
In an era where mass shootings have become commonplace, the couple's firepower still raises eyebrows -- especially in California, which experts say has the nation's strictest gun laws. Those laws typically forbid the sale and possession of assault rifles of the sort used by the shooters.
But authorities said the shooters' arms were purchased legally, perhaps exposing the limits of state gun regulations in a country where gun laws vary widely from one state to the next.
Farook purchased the handguns in California, police said. Someone else bought the rifles. Local and federal authorities haven't elaborated on the purchases.
California's Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989, and a subsequent 2004 law, banned most high-powered rifles commonly known as assault weapons, save for a specific kind of rifle allowed under a technical loophole.
A state law that went into effect in 2000 also banned the sale or transfer of high-capacity magazines. Four such magazines were found spent at the social services center attack. Police said the couple had an additional 1,600 rounds of ammunition in their rented SUV.
California's so-called bullet button loophole allows for military-style, semi-automatic rifles that have a button to release their ammunition magazine, rather than a standard detachable magazine that is removable by hand. That circumvents the state ban on detachable magazines for long arms it deems assault weapons.
The DPMS Model A15 and a Smith and Wesson M&P15 that Farook and Malik used aren't explicitly prohibited under state law, since both rifles are available for purchase with bullet buttons, according to The Associated Press.
It was unclear if the rifles were purchased in California under the loophole, or in another state.
San Bernardino police didn't immediately respond to request for comment on whether the attackers possessed the weapons legally in California. ATF declined to provide details about the weapons, referring inquiries to local police.
The ATF on Thursday night said both rifles had been illegally modified, according to Desert Sun reporter Brett Kellman, One had been rigged to hold a 30-round magazine; an attempt was made to convert the other to full automatic fire.
If the assault rifles or the high-capacity magazines used in the massacre were purchased in another state, it would be consistent with a pattern.
"California is not an island," said Ari Freilich, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. "People can go to neighboring states. A significant source of crime guns and guns used to inflict acts of violence in the state come from other states with weaker gun laws."
Seven states, including California, and the District of Columbia, have outright bans on assault weapons. Two other states regulate them in some fashion.
In addition to barring an array of what it deems assault weapons, California requires all gun sales to be made through a licensed dealer, and mandates background checks and a 10-day waiting period for all purchases. Those regulations apply to private gun sales -- such as those made at gun shows -- which are notoriously exempt from federally mandated background checks.
There are limits to what California can do, however, when states like Nevada and Arizona, which have loose gun laws, are within driving distance.
"What we know is that each year more and more crime guns are coming in to California from states like Nevada and Arizona that don't have laws, like expanded Brady background checks, to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons, suspected terrorists, and other people intent on doing harm," Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said in a statement. "The number of crime guns coming from NV and AZ, into CA has more than doubled since 2006."
Fifty-seven percent of out-of-state guns used in California crimes came from just 10 states in 2007, according to a 2008 report by Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
The report, which analyzes ATF data, correlates the strictness of a state’s gun laws with the likelihood that it will export guns to other states. States that require background checks on all handgun sales at gun shows have a gun export rate that is about half of the national average. None of the 10 states that accounted for 57 percent of exports to California in 2007 require background checks on handgun sales at gun shows.
In a separate 2010 analysis, Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that 4,462 of guns recovered in California crimes in 2009 were imported from out of state, whereas 1,772 guns recovered in other states were found to have originated in California.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-gun-laws-san-bernardino_56606dd8e4b079b2818d7034
"No state is an island," a gun safety advocate says, and Nevada and Arizona are right next door.
Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik walked into a San Bernardino, California, social services center on Wednesday and, armed with two assault-style rifles and two handguns, opened fire. They unleashed at least 75 rounds during the assault, killing 14 people and wounding 21. Their .223-caliber rifles had the power to penetrate ballistic vests and walls, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
In an era where mass shootings have become commonplace, the couple's firepower still raises eyebrows -- especially in California, which experts say has the nation's strictest gun laws. Those laws typically forbid the sale and possession of assault rifles of the sort used by the shooters.
But authorities said the shooters' arms were purchased legally, perhaps exposing the limits of state gun regulations in a country where gun laws vary widely from one state to the next.
Farook purchased the handguns in California, police said. Someone else bought the rifles. Local and federal authorities haven't elaborated on the purchases.
California's Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989, and a subsequent 2004 law, banned most high-powered rifles commonly known as assault weapons, save for a specific kind of rifle allowed under a technical loophole.
A state law that went into effect in 2000 also banned the sale or transfer of high-capacity magazines. Four such magazines were found spent at the social services center attack. Police said the couple had an additional 1,600 rounds of ammunition in their rented SUV.
California's so-called bullet button loophole allows for military-style, semi-automatic rifles that have a button to release their ammunition magazine, rather than a standard detachable magazine that is removable by hand. That circumvents the state ban on detachable magazines for long arms it deems assault weapons.
The DPMS Model A15 and a Smith and Wesson M&P15 that Farook and Malik used aren't explicitly prohibited under state law, since both rifles are available for purchase with bullet buttons, according to The Associated Press.
It was unclear if the rifles were purchased in California under the loophole, or in another state.
San Bernardino police didn't immediately respond to request for comment on whether the attackers possessed the weapons legally in California. ATF declined to provide details about the weapons, referring inquiries to local police.
The ATF on Thursday night said both rifles had been illegally modified, according to Desert Sun reporter Brett Kellman, One had been rigged to hold a 30-round magazine; an attempt was made to convert the other to full automatic fire.
If the assault rifles or the high-capacity magazines used in the massacre were purchased in another state, it would be consistent with a pattern.
"California is not an island," said Ari Freilich, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. "People can go to neighboring states. A significant source of crime guns and guns used to inflict acts of violence in the state come from other states with weaker gun laws."
Seven states, including California, and the District of Columbia, have outright bans on assault weapons. Two other states regulate them in some fashion.
In addition to barring an array of what it deems assault weapons, California requires all gun sales to be made through a licensed dealer, and mandates background checks and a 10-day waiting period for all purchases. Those regulations apply to private gun sales -- such as those made at gun shows -- which are notoriously exempt from federally mandated background checks.
There are limits to what California can do, however, when states like Nevada and Arizona, which have loose gun laws, are within driving distance.
"What we know is that each year more and more crime guns are coming in to California from states like Nevada and Arizona that don't have laws, like expanded Brady background checks, to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons, suspected terrorists, and other people intent on doing harm," Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said in a statement. "The number of crime guns coming from NV and AZ, into CA has more than doubled since 2006."
Fifty-seven percent of out-of-state guns used in California crimes came from just 10 states in 2007, according to a 2008 report by Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
The report, which analyzes ATF data, correlates the strictness of a state’s gun laws with the likelihood that it will export guns to other states. States that require background checks on all handgun sales at gun shows have a gun export rate that is about half of the national average. None of the 10 states that accounted for 57 percent of exports to California in 2007 require background checks on handgun sales at gun shows.
In a separate 2010 analysis, Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that 4,462 of guns recovered in California crimes in 2009 were imported from out of state, whereas 1,772 guns recovered in other states were found to have originated in California.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-gun-laws-san-bernardino_56606dd8e4b079b2818d7034
Liberals view:
Terrorist attack=blame the gun.
White man who is liberal shoots people=blame the gun
White man who media says is "Christian" shoots people=blame white "Christian".
Black person shoots people=ignore the problem
California gun laws, toughest in the nation
If you're a gun owner in California, you must:
Pass a universal background check, no matter where you buy your gun
Wait at least 10 days to receive that gun (the idea here is to give law enforcement enough time to conduct the background check)
Get your handgun microstamped, which means the make, model and serial number of the gun is transferred to each cartridge case every time the gun is fired (the idea is to allow police at a crime scene to trace a gun back to its owner)
Take and pass a written safety test
You can't:
Own most assault weapons or buy and sell large-capacity ammunition magazines or .50 caliber rifles
Buy your gun through a private sale, like online or via a friend, without first going through a licensed dealer (and thus getting a background check)
Buy more than one handgun a month
Terrorist attack=blame the gun.
White man who is liberal shoots people=blame the gun
White man who media says is "Christian" shoots people=blame white "Christian".
Black person shoots people=ignore the problem
California gun laws, toughest in the nation
If you're a gun owner in California, you must:
Pass a universal background check, no matter where you buy your gun
Wait at least 10 days to receive that gun (the idea here is to give law enforcement enough time to conduct the background check)
Get your handgun microstamped, which means the make, model and serial number of the gun is transferred to each cartridge case every time the gun is fired (the idea is to allow police at a crime scene to trace a gun back to its owner)
Take and pass a written safety test
You can't:
Own most assault weapons or buy and sell large-capacity ammunition magazines or .50 caliber rifles
Buy your gun through a private sale, like online or via a friend, without first going through a licensed dealer (and thus getting a background check)
Buy more than one handgun a month
Thanks for the welcome. I missed you as well. Last couple of weeks it was colorado and the same day as the bernardino attack, there was one in Savannah Ga as well, but never got much traction in the news it seems.
I agree that guns contribute to alot of this and sincerely hope that instead of dems and republicans going to their normal battle stations and manage to meet some kind of compromise so we can start doing something. Nothing is not an option and doesnt seem to b working well for us. 355 mass shootings in 2015 alone and that doesnt count the drive bys and neighborhood shooting we all experience that never makes the nationals. How many more people die before we act? When is enuff enuff?
I agree that guns contribute to alot of this and sincerely hope that instead of dems and republicans going to their normal battle stations and manage to meet some kind of compromise so we can start doing something. Nothing is not an option and doesnt seem to b working well for us. 355 mass shootings in 2015 alone and that doesnt count the drive bys and neighborhood shooting we all experience that never makes the nationals. How many more people die before we act? When is enuff enuff?
San Bernardino: Shooter was in contact with terror subjects, officials believe
(CNN)Syed Rizwan Farook -- who along with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- apparently was radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.
Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
Domestic terrorism carried out by a radical muslim terrorist !!!!!
(CNN)Syed Rizwan Farook -- who along with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- apparently was radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.
Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
Domestic terrorism carried out by a radical muslim terrorist !!!!!
I'm not upset that the killer wasn't a white Christian male, I'm upset that these occurrence happen too frequently no matter who the perpetrator is.
According to what I found searching online,
Mass shootings averaged more than one a day in ’15.
This IS domestic terrorism and yes, the easily availability of guns is a big part of the problem.
According to what I found searching online,
Mass shootings averaged more than one a day in ’15.
This IS domestic terrorism and yes, the easily availability of guns is a big part of the problem.
That was funny - both of you.
hahaha! Well, you know how much I trust your sources! lol
My source in hell said Yes.
they need to be found out and taken care of before more and more attacks happen
Now looky there! Something we can agree on!!!! Did hell freeze over or what?
Now looky there! Something we can agree on!!!! Did hell freeze over or what?
I didnt realize how much I missed this!!!! haha
It's good to see you too.
This place is a lot like Fox nowadays - fair and balanced.
This place is a lot like Fox nowadays - fair and balanced.
Hey Mike!! Its Teko....good to c your still around!
He's evolved.
So let me see if I get this straight. You have your own ideology and as a result have condemned a entire group of people(democrats or liberals as you call them, based on the actions of some .
And I bet you hate all muslims as well due to the actions and views of some?
Do you also believe we should take out their families as well when one of them perpetrates evil?
And I bet you hate all muslims as well due to the actions and views of some?
Do you also believe we should take out their families as well when one of them perpetrates evil?
So has your head been in the sand for the past 7 years?
And again how did that gun control in Paris work out? Hell how did the very strict gun control in California workout?
Guy was an F'n terrorist, call it what it was and stop trying to make excuses for terrorism.
And again how did that gun control in Paris work out? Hell how did the very strict gun control in California workout?
Guy was an F'n terrorist, call it what it was and stop trying to make excuses for terrorism.
You got bit bad didnt you? Nonsense.
Lumped into one pot because that is what liberals have done. Disagree with Obama then you are racist. Speak out against Black Lives Matters then you are racist. Support gun rights then you are a killer. You pray to God then you are stupid.
Division has always existed but when Obama ran for office liberals made the division front and center.
And how much gun control does France have? And how many people will killed in Paris with gun control?
Division has always existed but when Obama ran for office liberals made the division front and center.
And how much gun control does France have? And how many people will killed in Paris with gun control?
Im a liberal and I am also a christian. There u go again!
Oh and libs are mocking Christians for praying.
Profile not good as I deleted and closed that account many moons ago. Got a problem with it? Then offer a solution.
You call me a liberal and I never heard anyone near me using white christian male terms, so quit lumping everyone in the same pot. Isnt how these divisions come about amongst us?
You call me a liberal and I never heard anyone near me using white christian male terms, so quit lumping everyone in the same pot. Isnt how these divisions come about amongst us?
You could not reuse because why? Profile is still active.
Yes I have opinions but I state facts not "feelings".
PP shooting liberals blast "White Christian males", Cali terrorist shooting libs blast guns. See where I am going with this?
Yes I have opinions but I state facts not "feelings".
PP shooting liberals blast "White Christian males", Cali terrorist shooting libs blast guns. See where I am going with this?
FYI I do not have two sign ons. I simply could not re use my other. And dear sir. You are welcome to your own opinions, just not your own facts. You must have missed me terribly as you seem to want to pic a fight right off the bat? Im flattered!!!!
FYI: It's against rules to have 2 signons.
I am peddling nothing but facts.
I am peddling nothing but facts.
thankfully they're no longer with us. Amen to that
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