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Michigan "Right to Work" Bill
Snippets from the article:
"LANSING (WWJ) - Ahead of a historic vote in Lansing on legislation that would make Michigan the nation’s 24th right-to-work state, Governor Rick Snyder told WWJ Newsradio 950 it’s all about freedom of choice for workers and bringing new jobs to the state.
Speaking live on-air Tuesday morning, Snyder said the Senate will pass the legislation and he plans to sign it when it reaches his desk.
“I believe it will pass. The house will take up two bills, one for the public sector and one for the private sector, and they should pass those bills today. The bills likely wouldn’t arrive at my desk until the following day,” he said."
"The bottom line in passing the legislation, Snyder said, is giving workers the opportunity to join a union and pay any associated dues if they please, instead of forcing workers to pay union dues as a condition for employment.
“The point here is to give workers a choice, it’s their freedom to choose. And I encourage unions to be very proactive as to presenting the right value case as to why it’s good to join and when they do, I would expect that people do join… That’s the main point here is worker choice, freedom to choose,” he said. “It’s good for workers to have a choice. They can decide if they see value or not and should their dollars go to the union or not based on seeing that value.”
Snyder said research shows that right-to-work laws have brought new and better jobs in states where they’re enacted."
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/gov-snyder-right-to-work-will-pass-give-workers-freedom-of-choice/
This is a wonderful thing. Let the employee choose whether or not they want to be in the union. It shouldn't be mandatory. Of course, there are big protests, which I don't really get...the unions are still free to do what they do, only they can't force workers to join.
"LANSING (WWJ) - Ahead of a historic vote in Lansing on legislation that would make Michigan the nation’s 24th right-to-work state, Governor Rick Snyder told WWJ Newsradio 950 it’s all about freedom of choice for workers and bringing new jobs to the state.
Speaking live on-air Tuesday morning, Snyder said the Senate will pass the legislation and he plans to sign it when it reaches his desk.
“I believe it will pass. The house will take up two bills, one for the public sector and one for the private sector, and they should pass those bills today. The bills likely wouldn’t arrive at my desk until the following day,” he said."
"The bottom line in passing the legislation, Snyder said, is giving workers the opportunity to join a union and pay any associated dues if they please, instead of forcing workers to pay union dues as a condition for employment.
“The point here is to give workers a choice, it’s their freedom to choose. And I encourage unions to be very proactive as to presenting the right value case as to why it’s good to join and when they do, I would expect that people do join… That’s the main point here is worker choice, freedom to choose,” he said. “It’s good for workers to have a choice. They can decide if they see value or not and should their dollars go to the union or not based on seeing that value.”
Snyder said research shows that right-to-work laws have brought new and better jobs in states where they’re enacted."
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/gov-snyder-right-to-work-will-pass-give-workers-freedom-of-choice/
This is a wonderful thing. Let the employee choose whether or not they want to be in the union. It shouldn't be mandatory. Of course, there are big protests, which I don't really get...the unions are still free to do what they do, only they can't force workers to join.
We can't belittle what the unions had accomplished, but time has changed. There is nothing that can ONLY be accomplished by the unions. Yes, China/India/Indonesia/etc. still need the unions.
Thank you, El. That is what I have been saying to what seems like deaf ears. Everyone is in such a hurry to give their union horror stories (I have plenty too) that it seems that there is no acknowledgment of the good work they have done. I totally agree that they can be bullies and that they can do harm. Yes, we all agree there needs to be major changes.
In highly developed countries like the U.S., Canada, Europe, worker protective laws is the most efficient solution. Foreign owned manufacturers in the U.S. have proven that.
The laws are in place and that's good, but lawyers cost money and beyond that many people are not sophisticated enough to take it to court on their own.
I still believe that unions can serve an important purpose, if we do not lose sight of the good they can do and the changes that need to be done to make them less corrupt and more effective.
Seems as if I heard a few liberals here on CE at one point touting how wonderful it is to have a choice. I guess you just can't have a choice when it comes to unions?
Rivll... glad you never had to depend on your union. (How did you go about not paying dues? My mom was an educator for 30 years and had to pay her dues....) My dad thought the same thing as you... 'at least the union will have my back". The union cut and ran when an entire shift of over 40's was fired from the Las Vegas Hilton in the early to mid 80's. Not a rep to be found to help them... This group of people had to hire lawyers for any representation.
That's the real deal on unions!
Rivll... glad you never had to depend on your union. (How did you go about not paying dues? My mom was an educator for 30 years and had to pay her dues....) My dad thought the same thing as you... 'at least the union will have my back". The union cut and ran when an entire shift of over 40's was fired from the Las Vegas Hilton in the early to mid 80's. Not a rep to be found to help them... This group of people had to hire lawyers for any representation.
That's the real deal on unions!
Okay, monopoly breeds inefficiency. The unions have become that. The right-to-work measure breaks that monopoly.
Hi-tech startups wouldn't have made the profound impact that we've seen had they been forced to be unionized. In fact, can you name one hi-tech startup that is unionized? And when these companies grow bigger (Apple, Google, Intel, etc.), the unions want to stick their nose in.
We can't belittle what the unions had accomplished, but time has changed. There is nothing that can ONLY be accomplished by the unions. Yes, China/India/Indonesia/etc. still need the unions.
In highly developed countries like the U.S., Canada, Europe, worker protective laws is the most efficient solution. Foreign owned manufacturers in the U.S. have proven that.
Hi-tech startups wouldn't have made the profound impact that we've seen had they been forced to be unionized. In fact, can you name one hi-tech startup that is unionized? And when these companies grow bigger (Apple, Google, Intel, etc.), the unions want to stick their nose in.
We can't belittle what the unions had accomplished, but time has changed. There is nothing that can ONLY be accomplished by the unions. Yes, China/India/Indonesia/etc. still need the unions.
In highly developed countries like the U.S., Canada, Europe, worker protective laws is the most efficient solution. Foreign owned manufacturers in the U.S. have proven that.
"...thousands of people are protesting..."
Yeah, the UNIONS are protesting. Who else would be protesting this?
Kind of a silly statement, that THOUSANDS of people are protesting. Let's talk about WHO is protesting, and don't just say "1000's of people", shall we?
Yeah, the UNIONS are protesting. Who else would be protesting this?
Kind of a silly statement, that THOUSANDS of people are protesting. Let's talk about WHO is protesting, and don't just say "1000's of people", shall we?
Hysterical.... Anyone see how the union bullies were acting at that rally yesterday? Knocking down a tent and punching people....? Nice work again, unions. (You'd think these union guys were the Tea Party, but nope.... good old democrats.... how can it be? Everyone knows that democrats are sensible, reasonable, and peaceful!)
Rivil, I agree we've beat this horse to death a few times, but that's only to be expected when it's a topic that so many feel strongly about on both sides. I think we all have pretty strong opinions about this, and a lot of us have our own personal experiences (good and bad) to draw on, which intensifies our views that much more.
I feel strongly enough that I wouldn't mind seeing unions go bye-byes in general, but if revamping is more fair, that's fine, I'm game. Something needs done though. These recent stories are just outrageous (the Chrysler plant as just one example).
I think, while some of you may disagree, states becoming "right to work" states will help with that re-vamping. Unions WOULD have to be held more accountable, be less concerned about money, and more concerned about workers. They would need to sell people on joining...so they're going to have to make people see the value in it. Especially when some union dues are pretty steep. People aren't going to want to hand over their money if they're not sold on the purpose of the union. I think it's great...no one takes the unions away, people just make it a choice. I think that's a perfect idea. Yes, of course the unions wouldn't be happy about that...that's a given, because they run the risk of seeing their membership #'s decline.
Last comment..I TRULY think that some people hold onto the unions so tightly, almost like a security blanket, out of some misplaced fear. They've convinced themselves they would be treated just HORRIBLY without the union...that all he** would break loose without them. I wish people would realize that, in the grand scheme of things....the really big and important stuff they think the union is protecting them from...they wouldn't be able to do much anyway. Plenty of people function in jobs, get paid and treated fairly, with no union in play.
This will level the playing field a bit too. I think it's abusive that union positions will pay sometimes up to 50% more than a non-union worker of the exact same caliber. That's a big issue in the construction field...and it creates a lot of dissention between union and non-union guys. Also, union contractors have a HUGE advantage when bidding for jobs. My hubby stopped trying to get gov't prevailing wage projects ages ago...they go to the union EVERY single time, and that's wrong. The very issues they claim to protect (discrimination, fair wages, equal opportunities), they actually create for other people.
I would like to keep an eye on the MI situation. I'm curious to see if the UC numbers improve.
I'm putting my stick down...I've whacked this horse enough! :0)
I feel strongly enough that I wouldn't mind seeing unions go bye-byes in general, but if revamping is more fair, that's fine, I'm game. Something needs done though. These recent stories are just outrageous (the Chrysler plant as just one example).
I think, while some of you may disagree, states becoming "right to work" states will help with that re-vamping. Unions WOULD have to be held more accountable, be less concerned about money, and more concerned about workers. They would need to sell people on joining...so they're going to have to make people see the value in it. Especially when some union dues are pretty steep. People aren't going to want to hand over their money if they're not sold on the purpose of the union. I think it's great...no one takes the unions away, people just make it a choice. I think that's a perfect idea. Yes, of course the unions wouldn't be happy about that...that's a given, because they run the risk of seeing their membership #'s decline.
Last comment..I TRULY think that some people hold onto the unions so tightly, almost like a security blanket, out of some misplaced fear. They've convinced themselves they would be treated just HORRIBLY without the union...that all he** would break loose without them. I wish people would realize that, in the grand scheme of things....the really big and important stuff they think the union is protecting them from...they wouldn't be able to do much anyway. Plenty of people function in jobs, get paid and treated fairly, with no union in play.
This will level the playing field a bit too. I think it's abusive that union positions will pay sometimes up to 50% more than a non-union worker of the exact same caliber. That's a big issue in the construction field...and it creates a lot of dissention between union and non-union guys. Also, union contractors have a HUGE advantage when bidding for jobs. My hubby stopped trying to get gov't prevailing wage projects ages ago...they go to the union EVERY single time, and that's wrong. The very issues they claim to protect (discrimination, fair wages, equal opportunities), they actually create for other people.
I would like to keep an eye on the MI situation. I'm curious to see if the UC numbers improve.
I'm putting my stick down...I've whacked this horse enough! :0)
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