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PP AGAIN
Several people may disagree but again this is just wrong.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/04/planned-parenthood-official-docs-alter-abortion-procedures-price-structure/?intcmp=hpbt1
In the nearly 16-minute, edited video, the fifth released by Center for Medical Progress, a woman identified as Melissa Farrell, director of research for Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, discusses pricing for specimens -- ranging from intact fetuses to tissue and organs -- for outside tissue procurement companies.
“Yeah, and so if we alter our process, and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, then we can make it part of the budget, that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this,” Farrell said. “I mean it’s all just a matter of line items.”
Altering abortion procedures to procure fetal tissue, delivering intact fetuses and selling fetal tissue for profit are all against federal law.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/04/planned-parenthood-official-docs-alter-abortion-procedures-price-structure/?intcmp=hpbt1
In the nearly 16-minute, edited video, the fifth released by Center for Medical Progress, a woman identified as Melissa Farrell, director of research for Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, discusses pricing for specimens -- ranging from intact fetuses to tissue and organs -- for outside tissue procurement companies.
“Yeah, and so if we alter our process, and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, then we can make it part of the budget, that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this,” Farrell said. “I mean it’s all just a matter of line items.”
Altering abortion procedures to procure fetal tissue, delivering intact fetuses and selling fetal tissue for profit are all against federal law.
I gave a link that had quotes from the founder of PP.
You didn't show me anything Vance. Sorry.
Ok, so I show you proof that the founder was racist but you dismiss that?
I don' t believe that PP was founded based on racism Vance. They provide a service to the public and can't control who in the public needs their service.
so, my comment Vance is that I don't agree with you.
so, my comment Vance is that I don't agree with you.
Wait you said the confederate flag was racist. The flag was back in the 1800's. PP was founded by a racist in the 1900's. So if a flag is racist because of what it stood for in the 1800's, can PP not be racist because of what it stood for in the 1900's?
Blacks and Hispanics account for 60% of all abortions in the US yet they only account for 28% of the population. Sounds like someone is trying to kill blacks and hispanics.
Blacks and Hispanics account for 60% of all abortions in the US yet they only account for 28% of the population. Sounds like someone is trying to kill blacks and hispanics.
No comment because I don't believe that. You do. I didn't start the conversation on population control. And I don't believe PP is racist. So, that is about the most of a comment that I can make. Didn't really seem necessary to write that but since you asked for a comment . . . there it is.
I apologize for asking a question and then launching into my own thoughts once you answered. I really was just curious about that and appreciate your response.
It is not even so much that PP provides abortions because other places do as well and do not come under fire like PP does. PP has been caught on camera doing illegal activities for tissue, they not only perform abortions they encourage them. If they change course then fine.
But also why no comment on PP being racist?
But also why no comment on PP being racist?
They don't earn a profit in my opinion and what they do is with patient consent. I would guess that all abortion clinics, private or public clinics donate the remains to science with patient consent similarly to our donating our organs. But there are costs to providing the remains such as transportation and storage and harvesting of various usable things (and while that may sound cruel to those of you who think of a baby as a fetus, I can say that if my husband, child or loved one had a disease and those remains saved them, bring it on. Better to throw the fetus in the trash? I know that is crude but that is the reality).
anyway, thanks for giving your opinion el. And I'm sure it shared by a population of the country.
anyway, thanks for giving your opinion el. And I'm sure it shared by a population of the country.
Absolutely NOT.
PP provides a slew of valuable services for women.
The way they handle abortions is disgusting. If the abortions were done without a view PROFIT, i think a lot of people would be more okay with it (me included).
PP provides a slew of valuable services for women.
The way they handle abortions is disgusting. If the abortions were done without a view PROFIT, i think a lot of people would be more okay with it (me included).
Really, at the end of the day, people have different opinions about abortion which is understandable as it is a notoriously controversial tropic. I've had different opinions about it myself over the years. I do understand both sides.
And PP gets a bit caught in the crossfire.
So, new question. If abortion were illegal and PP did not perform abortions but provided other services in a clinic fashion, would you be so against PP?
And PP gets a bit caught in the crossfire.
So, new question. If abortion were illegal and PP did not perform abortions but provided other services in a clinic fashion, would you be so against PP?
Founder of PP and her views were based on population control for BLACKS. You support PP then you support racism...right since if you support a flag then you support racism. Liberals make the connection to the confederate flag and racism then how is the connection not made to PP??
Sanger's writings echoed her ideas about inferiority and loose morals of particular races. In one "What Every Girl Should Know" commentary, she references popular opinion that Aboriginal Australians were "just a step higher than the chimpanzee" with "little sexual control," as compared to the "normal man and Woman.
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/
Sanger's writings echoed her ideas about inferiority and loose morals of particular races. In one "What Every Girl Should Know" commentary, she references popular opinion that Aboriginal Australians were "just a step higher than the chimpanzee" with "little sexual control," as compared to the "normal man and Woman.
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/
Okay, here is the elephant in the room ~ the planet has too many people. Planned Parenthood got it's start to do something to control population growth. Abortions help to do that, like it or not, it's a fact.
Should our government fund a non-profit that helps to control the overpopulation of the planet~ I say he!! yes !
Should our government fund a non-profit that helps to control the overpopulation of the planet~ I say he!! yes !
Attack my POINT mike, not the words i used.
You frequently invoke Hitler or the Nazis when sorting through the complex morass of politics. Is that your only point of reference?
You say you're not comparing PP to Nazis but that is precisely what you did.
"They do some good, yes, but did the Nazi-Party (ie: solid welfare programs, created the autobahn, developed the V2 rocket which paved the way to the moon and beyond, created the Volkswagen, just to name a few).
Does that mean that the Nazi Party should have been allowed to exist, simply because they did SOME good? ."
That is comparing PP to the Nazi Party whether you realize it or want to admit it or not.
You say you're not comparing PP to Nazis but that is precisely what you did.
"They do some good, yes, but did the Nazi-Party (ie: solid welfare programs, created the autobahn, developed the V2 rocket which paved the way to the moon and beyond, created the Volkswagen, just to name a few).
Does that mean that the Nazi Party should have been allowed to exist, simply because they did SOME good? ."
That is comparing PP to the Nazi Party whether you realize it or want to admit it or not.
I'm with Vance. PP should be defunded. Let them get their money from NOT MY POCKETS. They do some good, yes, but did the Nazi-Party (ie: solid welfare programs, created the autobahn, developed the V2 rocket which paved the way to the moon and beyond, created the Volkswagen, just to name a few).
Does that mean that the Nazi Party should have been allowed to exist, simply because they did SOME good?
Yes... it's an extreme example, and I'm in NO way comparing PP to the Nazi Party (and if you think I am, you need to re-read what I wrote).
I'm simply saying that just because a group does SOME good, if they do more evil than good, they shouldn't be allowed to suck off the teet of the American taxpayer.
Besides Vance, you'll all disagree, so not sure why I'm wasting my breath.
Does that mean that the Nazi Party should have been allowed to exist, simply because they did SOME good?
Yes... it's an extreme example, and I'm in NO way comparing PP to the Nazi Party (and if you think I am, you need to re-read what I wrote).
I'm simply saying that just because a group does SOME good, if they do more evil than good, they shouldn't be allowed to suck off the teet of the American taxpayer.
Besides Vance, you'll all disagree, so not sure why I'm wasting my breath.
I feel they should lose federal funding for the barbaric methods they use and for the illegal activites that have been admitted on camera.
So Vance, you feel that because pp provides the service of abortion they should be shut down and are of no value for the other services they provide?
There are many other places that provide STD testing.
Statistically speaking one in six pregnancies end in miscarriage. Some of those are so early that the woman didn't even know she was pregnant.
No religion has ever treated a miscarriage as a baby. They do not perform last rites, there is no baptism, naming etc.
Abortion is a coerced ( or forced) miscarriage.
When a close family member miscarried last year, we were sad but nobody said she's lost a baby. We were sad because her hope to become a mother has been delayed.
What she lost was a fetus with the potential to become a baby.
Vance, as a moderator for STD forums I would think you'd support PP as it provides free STD testing.
No religion has ever treated a miscarriage as a baby. They do not perform last rites, there is no baptism, naming etc.
Abortion is a coerced ( or forced) miscarriage.
When a close family member miscarried last year, we were sad but nobody said she's lost a baby. We were sad because her hope to become a mother has been delayed.
What she lost was a fetus with the potential to become a baby.
Vance, as a moderator for STD forums I would think you'd support PP as it provides free STD testing.
Honestly, I have learned never to judge others. My sons special needs are okay for our family to deal with. But there are some parents who live luves you and I can't affine. But downs is detected early on and not late. We did no prenatal testing because my husband and I accepted we would live our children regardless. But that was our thoughts. I don't want to judge another mom for knowing her limits. What about z child who would have a painful condition if born? How do you feel about that?
By the way, I don't think you are wrong Vance for how you feel. But I don't think someone else is wrong for feeling differently. :).
I also know that my religious beliefs aren't that of others so I stay away from that. Because the bible won't make any argument if someone doesn't believe. And for eons people have fought over interpretation of the bible.
By the way, I don't think you are wrong Vance for how you feel. But I don't think someone else is wrong for feeling differently. :).
I also know that my religious beliefs aren't that of others so I stay away from that. Because the bible won't make any argument if someone doesn't believe. And for eons people have fought over interpretation of the bible.
Yes I stated that in a post I made on here. Life of mother would outweigh all else. But we have people using it as birth control because they were not responsible enough or we have people doing it because they find out the child has down's. This is what I hate about abortion. Life that is so precious to most on this planet is being destroyed...why because it can?
* In January 2014, the Guttmacher Institute reported: * 1.05 million abortions in the US in 2012; * 4.8% of abortions in the US occurred from week 16 of pregnancy to week 32.
http://www.lifematterstv.org/abortioncounters.html
What is said about life and killing in the Bible. You follow the word then you can't go wrong.
* In January 2014, the Guttmacher Institute reported: * 1.05 million abortions in the US in 2012; * 4.8% of abortions in the US occurred from week 16 of pregnancy to week 32.
http://www.lifematterstv.org/abortioncounters.html
What is said about life and killing in the Bible. You follow the word then you can't go wrong.
Vance, do you agree that under certain medical circumstances abortion is necessary such as a life or death situation for the mother. I like the idea of finding common ground you started.
Aborting, killing, stopping, ending, its all the same thing and age is not the issue here, the issue is not allowing a human to develop once conception has taken place.
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