Of course I know the legal definition of the state, I was referring to the difference in the weather, topography, amount of rainfall etc, especially when someone assumes all of California looks like L.A.
The arid west is no place for golf courses but while we, in California quibble about who is wasting water, nobody in government talks about the huge amounts of water used in fracking.
We're so glad to have you back, I'll read a few words of explanation (not considered whining in your case - yet... lol)... Actually, I'm a licensed water treatment operator, but I also spent a lot of time in wasterwater treatment, as well, because as you know, the 2 are often entwined.
The "reclaimed" water I was referring to is actually treated wastewater that's used for irrigation. It's treated to actual drinking water standards before it's put onto the golf courses, playgrounds, etc - you know, those rich people are just like the rest of us; they touch their golf balls, then might put their hands near their mouths and kids are a special consideration, so you can't have any fecal content in the irrigation water... Many of our large cities use reclaimed water (treated wastewater) for these purposes.
There's even been consideration of using it for drinking, which when you stop to think about it, we do all the time, when wastewater is treated and the effluent goes out into ponds or drain fields and goes back to the aquifer. It's treated at the wastewater facility, then further treated as it moves down through the layers of earth until it reaches the aquifer and merges with the rest of the water there. Happens all over the country and people don't even realize it, even when they have their own septic system, that's what happens... It's the same thing that happens to rain water that soaks into the ground and goes into an aquifer. It just so happens that our main aquifer (the Floridan) is pretty deep in most places, so the water gets pretty clean by the time it gets there.
Really grosses people out then they think they might have drink treated poop water... I'm retired now, so not into so much, but we always found that was definitely a conservation point.... lol
I’m getting in late in this discussion and my vision will only allow so much reading before it gives up, so I apologize if this has already been covered. (I’ll stop whining now) I know it wasn’t wastewater treatment that you specialized in, but could the run off from wastewater treatment plants be used for irrigation? If so, the run off from 3,100 residents should go along way. Since they claim to have so much money, let them eat the cost of building the plant and running the pipes,
So rich Democrats and all of the celebrities known to be quite liberal have brown lawns, landscape and golf courses they play on in the areas you speak of the Right wing idiots?
Why do idiots have just a right wing? What happened to the other one? And the left wings lost their right wing? It sure makes sense to have both in order to be whole.
Just thinking out loud. I really want people to get along no matter what wing they have --- it would be a nicer world if people could understand those with an opposite wing and grow a little nub where their own other wing once was . . . so there is a bit more peace and understanding.
I'll never give up hope!
The trouble with the new statewide regulations, as you point out, is that the water sources where you and I live have absolutely nothing to do with Sierra snow pack. You and I can conserve or waste water all day long and it will have no effect on farming in the Central Valley or the right wing idiots in Rancho Santa Fe and Orange county who want to water their golf courses, fill their pools, and in other ways have the taxpayers subsidize their property values. Likewise whether they come to a reasonable allocation of water to agriculture, commercial and residential or not will have no effect on availability of water for us. I'm almost ready to agree with our wingnut, redneck, county Board of Supervisors and join the Jefferson Movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)
Respectfully, California is one state. Maps prove it. California is also a democrat run state and Jerry Brown proves that.
California is actually two states~ the south is a desert or was before it drained the Colorado river and Mono Lake for it's water usage. The resources including water are in the north.
Where I live in Northern California, we've had a close to normal rainfall year.
What irked me was that guy comparing gasoline to water. Water is essential to life, gasoline is not.
Brice, Rancho Santa Fe is in Orange County, a renown Republican strong hold~ think the John Birch society and Richard Nixon.
Long pipes! :>)) I hear what you are saying Barb.
Be careful about your "water of plenty"... the county I live in, in FL used to have plenty, as well, then counties along the coast started having shortages, due to overuse, which cause salt water intrusion... it wasn't long until they started looking at the plentiful water resources in my county and they decided that we had too much and it work nicely for them to pipe it to their county to water their lawns, golf courses, etc... There was a big deal over it for some time, until we finally started have drought conditions in my county and we no longer have plentiful water supply. Now some of our wells even have salt water intrusion when they are 50-60 miles from salt water.
We're now using reclaimed water for golf courses, playgrounds and other non-potable uses... Someday, in the not too distant future, the rich Californians may be thinking to pipe your plentiful fresh water to CA for their lawn and golf courses!!
I'm rich. I'm better than you. I'll do what I want. All of this coming out of the mouths of a Californian? A state governed by democrats? Is this guy a democrat? Anyone? Hope not.... Democrats can't be rich.
You have to wonder about someone that is on a mission to be difficult. Not a very likable quality. There are people that look for ways to connect with others. And there are people that just don't and like conflict.
I'm happy when someone I don't always agree with posts something that I can find common ground with. That I can say "yes, I agree with that." WE AGREE. This is good.
So, I do feel badly that water is such an issue in California. What is their long term plan? Hard for me to relate to--- I live very near a flood plain where 'too' much water is an issue. We've had rain here for days now. And in periods where we don't--- people run their sprinklers and water. I imagine running my sprinkler on my grass while thinking whole areas didn't have water to drink. It's different than haves and have nots as it is a resource that there is only so much of in California. So, they have to think of how they use it. That's different than there is plenty and only the rich can afford it. There isn't enough to go around so residents should use it wisely thinking of others.
Yep, guess so... I'm backing out of this one...
On second thought Mike, you're right.
Water restrictions - government action?
You sure sound like a democrat to me.
Really, why not let the free market sort this out?
Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
Having spent 20 yrs in the water and wastewater treatment field and having watched some of our "inland" aquifers become contaminated by salt water intrusion because of overuse, I fully understand the need to restrict water use.
Watering restrictions are in effect in many counties in Central FL and have been for many years. Some counties allow watering only one - two days/week for only one hour/zone and established lawns can not be watered between the hours of 10:00 am and 4:00 pm. Your watering day(s) depend on whether you have an even or odd numbered address.
Of course, we have a lot of rich people who don't like it, either and they think that because they have money, they should be able to have the lush landscaping and heaven forbid the golf course, turns brown, but it is what it is. This year is a prime example - most summers, we mow our lawn at least once a week; this year it's so dry, we're waiting at least 1.5 weeks and sometimes 2 weeks between mowings because it's all turning brown.
IMO, water should first go for drinking and other essential use, then to farmers raising food crops, but that must within reason, as well, since it's already been established that some people are trying to grow crops in places they shouldn't be trying to grow them - the almond crop comes to mind.
I do agree that water is a basic need and if the restrictions are in place so that residents of the state can have running water to drink and use for essential things, it is a must do.
But it sure sounds horrible there. I'm not a West Coast kind of girl any way but it almost sounds uninhabitable. Give me the Mid West with our drenching rains, Great Lakes, and water for a parched tree if it needs it.
That is really too bad about the farmers too.
So Yulas is rich and can pay for water, so he thinks he's entitled to waste it on landscaping, fountains, swimming pools, etc so people who need it for essentials like drinking, cooking, bathing - things we can't do without - don't have water? That's about the height up arrogance... we won't even talk about caring for your fellow man or anything else, because obviously doesn't.
It doesn't matter whether he, or anyone else, can afford to pay for water (of course, they don't realize that money isn't the only commodity in the world), they can't just use water like there's a never ending supply simply because they have money...
I can't imagine a water bill of $800/month... These people obviously have more money than brains...
Other are embarrassed by such defiance. Parks of the Sante Fe Irrigation District said she was mortified when the report came out earlier this month showing that Rancho Santa Fe had increased its water use — the only community in the region to do so.
“I kind of take it personally,” she said last week as she toured the community in an SUV bearing the water district’s logo.
Parks said she doesn’t know exactly what happened, but she has heard rumors that some people jacked up their water use in a misguided attempt to increase their baseline before rationing kicks in. With sprinkler restrictions already in place, she said the dynamic between local gardeners and her small team of enforcers is getting interesting.
“Everyone seems now to know what our cars look like,” she said. In Fairbanks Ranch, a gated community, “whenever one of our trucks go in, the gardeners all seem to call each other — text message each other — to let them know that we’ve arrived. So then all of a sudden we see water kind of draining off the property, but no sprinklers on.”
Because the restrictions that took effect in September didn’t register, the district further tightened the screws this month. Sprinkler days were reduced from three a week to two, while car-washing and garden fountains were banned altogether.
Holly Manion, a real estate agent who has lived on the Ranch, as it’s often called, for most of her 62 years, supports the restrictions. While Manion cherishes the landscape of manicured lawns and burbling fountains that have long defined the Ranch, she believes the drought requires a new way of life that emphasizes water conservation.
“Just take a drive around the area. You’ll see lakes low, rivers dry and hillsides parched,” Manion said, adding that she is appalled by people who tolerate leaking sprinklers and the resulting cascades of wasted water.
“There are people, they aren’t being responsible,” she said. “They’re just thinking of their own lives.”
Ann Boon, president of the Rancho Santa Fe Association, insists that most residents are taking the drought seriously. She said she was shocked by the reported 9 percent increase, arguing that it “must be some anomaly.”
Everybody has been trying to cut back,” she said.
For example, many Rancho Santa Fe residents have enthusiastically embraced drought-tolerant landscaping. Manion took advantage of a rebate to rip out much of the turf on her three-acre property and replace it with succulents and decomposed-granite pathways. She left only a small patch of grass for her two dogs to play on.
“It makes me happy when I look at it, because it’s thriving,” she said.
Butler said she, too, is replacing grass with drought-friendly native landscaping on her four acres, at a cost of nearly $80,000. (She’ll get a rebate for about $12,000.) But she came to the decision grudgingly, she said. And she defends the amount of water she and her neighbors need for their vast estates.
You could put 20 houses on my property, and they’d have families of at least four. In my house, there is only two of us,” Butler said. So “they’d be using a hell of a lot more water than we’re using.”
Rancho Santa Fe resident Randy Woods was feeling burdened by his lush landscape and opted to downsize. The 60-something chief executive of a biotech company moved a year ago from a two-acre estate — replete with two waterfalls, two Jacuzzis, a swimming pool and an orchard — to a condo in the tiny core of town known as “the Village.”
Woods said some of his friends would like to do the same, largely to cut down on their bloated water bills. But they have encountered an unforeseen obstacle, he said: The drought has dampened demand for large estates in San Diego County.
Woods said his girlfriend is among those struggling to sell. Her home boasts a yard designed by Kate Sessions, a well-known landscape architect and botanist who died in 1940. But now, the rare palm tree specimens, the secret garden and the turret-shaped hedges are a liability rather than a selling point.
Another friend, Woods said, has seen the value of his nine-acre plot plummet from $30 million to $22 million.
As for Woods, his monthly water bill has shriveled from $500 to around $50.
“My friends,” he said, “are all jealous.”
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/the-water-wars-begin-in-parched-california-as-the-rich-fight-drought-restrictions-were-not-all-equal-when-it-comes-to-water