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Rockets fired at Tel Aviv

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163305 tn?1333668571
Thanks for clarifying that for me. Didn't realize they were cramped into such a very small space.
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480448 tn?1426948538
I doubt Israel is going to want to open that can of worms, but who knows!  THAT is a scary thought.  This whole thing is just sad.

I heard that the two sides are working this am torwards a "cease fire" agreement.  Did you see the CBS news reporter (female) who was the ONLY American and the ONLY woman in the press room of Hamas?  Oh my...she had to YELL to be heard, it looked scary!  After that, they called her a "hunter".

His reply to her question was disturbing too.  I'll see if I can find a link, well worth watching, it was nuts!  That chick has got BALLS!  
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If Iran is providing the firepower, we might see Israel turn on Iran. Is my thinking out of the ballpark?
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377493 tn?1356502149
My understanding is much the same as Tekos.  Hamas operates as a dictatorship of sorts, and it's also a recognized terrorist organization, is it not?  Kind of like the Taliban in Afghanistan.  The majority didn't support them either, but were to afraid to speak out?  Perhaps it is much the same?

The Iran connection bothers me as well.  And behind Iran is Russia and China it seems.  

I don't believe the Israeli gov't to be innocents in all of this, it does take 2 to tangle.  But I don't think Hamas will be happy until Israel is gone.  That doesn't make negotiation possible.  The whole situation is scary as all get out.  I'm watching updates on this right now, and find it all terrifying.  
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148588 tn?1465778809
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

1.7 millon people goes into 141 sq.   ....  I'm too tired to do the math but, not far enough away from any missile battery to matter. Everything's a target in an area that small.
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It is my understanding that Hamas are militant Palestinians and control the palestinians.

On Nov. 14, 2012, Israel launched an air campaign against targets associated with Hamas, the hardline Palestinian party that has ruled Gaza since 2007. It was the first major conflict between the two since Israel’s Operation Cast Lead killed about 1,400 Gazans in three weeks of air and ground assaults in response to repeated rocket fire starting in December 2008.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/hamas/index.html

If you follow the link, it gives a day by day account of what is going on, how it started and a summary. Interesting read....
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163305 tn?1333668571
The question then is why do the Palestinians in Gaza allow them to do this if they know they will be hit by the Israeli retaliation ?
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According to Alan Dershowitz

As the rockets continue to fall in Israel and Gaza, it is important to understand Hamas’s tactic and how the international community and the media are encouraging it.
Hamas’ tactic is as simple as it is criminal and brutal. Its leaders know that by repeatedly firing rockets at Israeli civilian areas, they will give Israel no choice but to respond. Israel’s response will target the rockets and those sending them. In order to maximize their own civilian casualties, and thereby earn the sympathy of the international community and media, Hamas leaders deliberately fire their rockets from densely populated civilian areas. The Hamas fighters hide in underground bunkers but Hamas refuses to provide any shelter for its own civilians, who they use as “human shields.”


I hear the firepower is being supplied to hamas from Iran. So he darts in, starts a fight, sits on the sidelines and waits for the super powers to get involved hoping Israel will be wiped off the earth by one of them? Simple analogy I know, but I sure do hope someone is watching what Iran is doing besides creating a diversion.

Cowardly and cunning. Not to be taken lightly at all.
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163305 tn?1333668571
I assume that was posted to me.

I try to see things from many different perspectives believing there is always more than one side to a story and in fact, there are usually many.

I've thought I understood the Israeli side, both about the need for a state, about the problem with Palestinian extremists,  suicide bombs, etc.

What I haven't understood and no longer want to discuss, with you, as you are too emotional and personally touched by the situation,  is what is happening with the Palestinian people in Gaza, and I don't mean Hamas.

As mom liked to say~~~~ This too will pass.
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Being the emotional being that I am, friend, I wept when I read your post. Thank you for using your beautiful heart and mind to see this. It makes me so much more willing to hear your previous concerns.
Funny how that is.
Light and love
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163305 tn?1333668571
"Israel is formed by an fanatical interpretation of Jewish religion(Zionism) and Genocidal displacement of Palestine people in 1947. "

Oh really ? Have you ever heard of World War II and what the Nazis did to the Jews in Europe ?

The purpose of forming Israel was not about genocide of the Palestinians, it was in part a decision following the genocide of Jews.  

I don't know enough about the history to go into detail but I know enough to see you are not considering all sides and are extremely biased in your views.

As far as American 'brainwashing' goes, I've traveled enough to know that we are all told certain things by our respective governments and media, not the whole truth, perhaps.

No doubt you  are biased about  things simply by the nature of where you live. As are we all.

Please do not judge.
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377493 tn?1356502149
I also don't believe I have taken sides, and I am actually Canadian.  I have said on more then one occasion that I hold responsible the gov't's and not the people.  In most conflicts, anywhere, it is a small group or gov't control that starts this.  If left to just the average people, I'm sure they would do a much better job of working things out.  Power is usually behind these things, and it's sad all the way around.  Ultimately, if there is a full scale war. no one wins.  Innocent good people will die.  
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480448 tn?1426948538
Okay, I'll say MOST of us who have posted have not taken sides.

But anyways, welcome to CE!  Appears this is a sensitive subject for you as well.,
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480448 tn?1426948538
We've all pretty much said we don't fully understand the whole situation.  No one has really taken sides here in CE???
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377493 tn?1356502149
It is a very different thing when a situation such as this is impacting you in such a personal way.  Heck, I responded strongly myself to another thread for the same reasons.  We are human, and for you, this is very real - your family is there.

Always love ya Rivil, and I hope your family and friends there stay safe.  I'lll keep them in my thoughts and prayers.
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You are all dear hearts and I have a lot of love n my heart for y'all-yes, even cyber ppl. I know you are ll real ppl behind this screen and I have taken much joy in the humour and learning and sharing.
Conflicts are inevitable.
I am  not handling it well right now for the obvious reasons, but if you can forgive me for being such an emotional being, I readily forgive any perceived hurts (even if you don't forgive me, it is okay. I don't have energy to hold grudges)
I learn so much from each and every one of you.
In the end when stripped down to our bare souls we have only our love and our gratitude.
I'll be around. sending lots of warmth.
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480448 tn?1426948538
Thanks guys, for your input.  This is understandably a very hard topic, especially for rivil, as she has loved ones there.  Must be very scary, I'm sure you're worried all the time, I'm so sorry.

This seems like one of those situations where it is nearly impossible to know the full extent of what is going on.  These two nations have been at odds forever, it really is a shame that more can't be down to allow them to co-exist as neighbors, peacefully.  I pray that can happen.

Such an incredibly difficult situation.  Hope I didn't upset anyone with my questions, this is just one area I'm not real knowledgeable about, other than the basic long standing issues.
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163305 tn?1333668571
I'm sorry Rivil, I really have no agenda other than wishing all would work together for peace.

I heard this man speak about how things were not working and something needed to change. I agree and thought there might be some useful nonobjective dialog.

If that is an agenda, than let it be said that my agenda is towards a peaceful resolution of a horrible chaotic situation that I admittedly know little about.

Not surprisingly peaceful coexistence does not seem to be the way things are headed.
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206807 tn?1331936184
I don’t have time to post much. So I have to keep it Short and Sweet. From the News I’ve watched, I’m not buying into the Biased the Media Krap. CNN made me want to throw something through the TV this morning. <<<100% Supporting Israel.
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http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/16/gaza-hamas-funding-oped-cx_re_0116ehrenfeld.html

Thank you desrt. Your post took me from chaos and despair to a level where I might actually learn something.
From my perusals it seems that most of the $ comes from Saudi Arabia. They are not known for their strong stand on human rights, so I am wondering what their motivation is? I will continue to dig.
I wasn't surprised to read that Israel too contributes to the humanitarian aid, actually delivering cash to Gaza.
Thank you desrt, thank you so much for taking this issue out of the fire.
Thank you.
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148588 tn?1465778809
The shooting war is what has everyone's attention today, but the deeper issue is where the $ comes from to fund Palestinian rocket attacks and where the $ has come from to make that strip of land one of the most densely populated spots on the planet. Follow the $ to figure out who is really attacking Israel.
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I don't see anyone else having a discussion.
You barge in with your notions based on extremely biased sources.
You are bringing up a sad and unresolved issue at a time that Israel is being attacked by hateful enemies. Perhaps it would have been wiser to bring this up when the existence of Israel is not directly threatened.
Of course I am biased, what do you think??? I have no pretenses about my bias. I will not righteously assert that Israel is blameless regarding some issues concerning the Palestinians. However , I do see a much larger picture and I do know that Israel is the most humane and democratic country in the region and perhaps the world.
I have said before I welcome input from others. If everyone feels as you do, fine I will argue my points I simply ask that you don't make generalizations about the country based on your few far left sources.
If the forum does not want to discuss your issues then again I say so be it. I am happier not having to drag myself through this at this most trying time.
Try not to speak for others here--I will abide by whatever the folks here want to do with the issue.
I would think the primary concern would be how it effects the U.S. and that is a far less volatile issue. I also don't have a problem with America staying out of it I hardly expect people to rally around a country they have little investment or interest in.
So, back to you and your agenda. While this war is going on, if you want to focus on a part of the picture rather than a more balanced and complete picture, then I will fight you on it.
If this is no longer a CE topic, then let us get off it.
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163305 tn?1333668571
I see things online or hear them on the radio. I make no pretense of having an inside view.  I present them here for discussion.  

You dear are biased about this subject, understandably so.

I'm not defending anyone and I've never read an Arab newspaper and I certainly am not defending Hamas.
Sorry if I gave you that impression.

From what I understand, people in Gaza are suffering.
I've seen documentaries and listened to news from journalists. It is the people that concerns me.

If you think we are discussing leaders than I  think we are talking about different things.

If you want to talk about the leaders than I'd say both are at fault for not seeking to find a way towards peace.

How can you call this man M Peled a liar ? I never heard of him until today. He came across as very intelligent and concerned.

How do you know that what you saw wasn't propaganda about the Palestinians to sway the Israelis ?
I'm not saying it was but it wouldn't be the first time a government used propaganda on it's own people to convince them that 'those people' were the other, the enemy.

Rivil, I like you, but your strong feelings about this has made it practically impossible for CE to have a discussion about the situation.

The last thing I want to do is argue especially, since I know that I only know a smidgeon about what is going on.
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What I find distressing is this...You will quote from an Arab newspaper, KPFA and M.Peled and you think you know the story...if Hamas were to take Israel and make it theirs, any Arab woman would immediately have to cover up, be accompanied in public always by a male relative, could be stoned for adultery, could be stoned for making love, gays would be killed. Do you understand who you are defending???
We are not talking about the people--- I am Talking about their LEADERS. Their leaders are against everything we hold dear and they are against Jews...
M.Peled is a liar. However I believe there are half truths. Israel has not done right by the people in Gaza, there are legitimate issues. But when you focus on a pic. of a dead baby from Gaza and talk about the war you deliberately misrepresent Israel and the conflict at hand.
Of course I will back up these statements as you wish, but filling in all these links interfere with making my point or that's how it feels.
Hawk, it will say a lot for us if our friendship can endure this
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