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The SNOWDEN Effect....



http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755883/ns/msnbc-the_last_word/vp/52236048#52236048
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This guy.....
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285927_tn?1380802356
The only thing this guy has said that I totally agree with is the statement he made in regards to Cheney calling him a traitor? Yeah, I agree that Cheney calling anyone a traitor is just amazing!!!!!

Other than that, yeah, this guy!
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http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/18/obama-on-nsa-snowden-and-not-being-cheney/

Obama responds to the nsa mess. Worth a read!
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I think this Snowden kid is on to something.  I don't know if I agree with his tactics, but why would this kid put his own neck out on the line if there wasn't something going on?  

That being said, I read something yesterday (AP) on either Yahoo or AOL about a new poll that suggests that the Presidents popularity is at its lowest point.  (It apparently dropped 7 points this week.)  What I found intriguing about this is, they (whoever the pollsters were) accredited this drop to voters between the ages of 18 and 30 for changing their opinion on the job that the President is doing.

I spoke about this before the President got elected... that he was promising some things that just couldn't happen.  (That's where the hope and change came from.)  I think these voters are seeing all of this as "politics as usual" and that the system is set as such to not allow much change.

Back to the subject... the President said that "they are not looking at emails and listening in on phone calls...." and that they "have to get a warrant".  More or less, they aren't watching someone until they have a warrant.... that makes me wonder.  What are they looking at that would allow them to get a warrant?

Troubling... all of this.
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I think the expectation that the Presidents approval numbers would not drop with the onslaught of scandal or non scandal, is naive dont you? The numbers point to the young voter over the nsa mess. I find it kind of funny that it is the younger facebook, twitter, socializing group that actually has an expectation of privacy while my generation kind of assumed it went with the territory after 9/11.

I was watching cnn a few moments ago where the top guys were being grilled on all this. I will repeat what one fellow said. He was asked if the nsa has the ability to view personal emails and such with the flip of a switch. Answer was NO. Now one can make what they want about all that but that is what he said. They also said there have been approximately 50 instances where this program has been instrumental in thwarting attacks and gave the examples of 4 but I dont remember what they are. sorry
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I don't doubt for a second that the program has thwarted some attacks.  But take Facebook for instance....  I know damned well that there are people in high places looking at facebook pages, gathering intel, and maybe then perhaps getting a warrant.  

I look at potential employees facebook all of the time to try to get a feel for who I am hiring.

I just think its a bit naive to feel that someone isn't looking in at any given time.  Apparently this younger age group had the idea that the President would not be part of that?  I don't know...
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I'm not too happy with the President either HOWEVER, I keep myself informed so I know it's not ALL him. Congress has a BIG role in why some of the things Mr. Snowden feels are broken promises. For example GUANTANAMO..The repubs don't want it closed, they have majority to keep it open so therefore he President's hands are tied..He can't veto that....
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Yeah, seems Mr. Snowden is not that well informed as to what goes on, on the hill. Makes me wonder if he really knows what he is talking about with anything else and it is now appearing that you have a disguntled voter unhappy with obama? Um yeah, this is what I mean when I say boomerang effect. He hasnt a clue as he proved with the gitmo comment. I wonder if he knows
congress is again blocking any action of getting that thing closed? Of course not, just really a simple answer and blame obama.

The more he talks the more he reveals.
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"Disgruntled voter"..... he falls right into that 18-30 year old group who supposedly voted for the guy and are now responsible for the drop in the poll.
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No, I think he is actually a libertarian..... lol
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