cleaning concern

[suszy123456789]

i had my teeth cleaned by a new girl and my teeth and gums are hurting it has been 2 days,she also used a tool that spit water out and looked like a rounded pic,what was that and is that what is causing this?

[julida]

I too had my teeth cleaned with some sort of salt solution. My teeth and gums have felt strange and uncomfortable since.it has been one month gone by now and I feel as though my teeth and gums have become so sensitive they feel as though the are deteriorating. Truly uncomfortable physically and psychologically about this.

[Lisluvsyu]

I totally agree I think it is some new dentistrypractise that they do these deep cleaning and scalings I had no cavities my whole life and got it done now its almost two years later and I have GAPS that really irritate my tongue and I get food caught in them. I do not trust that entire clinic consequently and I wont go get cleanings anymore. I don't know any solution short of cosmetic dentistry which I wont let compromise the integrity of my teeth. BEWARE!!!!!!

[Gellia]

Oh, I'm SO glad it worked for you!  Bet the last stain will come off over some time.  Maybe you won't need any bleaching at all.  

Bleaching can be really tough on the teeth and gums and I really wish they would put THAT on the package.  Most don't realize that with the bleaching comes a porous tooth enamel that is so much easier to restain.  It becomes a vicious cycle of bleaching, staining, trying to bleach again, and what you get is dry and brittle teeth that stain easily and can eventually break.  

Go easy on it and allow your teeth to fully rehydrate before you do anything except for brushing and flossing.  Chances are the tooth surface will lighten even more with routine brushing.

Good luck and I'm really glad you are doing so much better!  That IS good news.

Best to you,
Gellia

[suszy123456789]

gellia,well it lightened them up a little,i still have a stain light brown on one back tooth,she cant get it off!!!!!! she did recommend bleaching after all this heals and settles,like next year lol!!!!!!!!!! anyway,i have to tell you,that instrument that was high pressured and had baking soda and water was so good!!!!! is that allowed to be used for every cleaning? just curios,did not want to ask to many questions seeing as i have asked a ton before!!!!!!!! lol have you had that and what is the professional name for that? thank you

[Gellia]

Hi,
Good.  I'm glad you're getting it buffed off.  DO NOT bleach your teeth again.  They are far too porous.  Normally the darkening will come off with routine brushing but if your teeth are dry from bleaching the stuff just sinks right in and sticks like a @*%$.  Then you get the darkening like you have experienced.  Don't drink any dark or staining liquid either, for awhile.  Your teeth need some time to get back to normal.

Please, please...no more bleaching until your teeth are completely rehydrated.  I'm sure everything will be fine once you get this over with.  And, I still maintain that salt water is the best overall rinse.  It will help with the rehydration, too.  Just don't use more than 1/4 tsp to 8oz water.  It should taste like the ocean!  LOL

Any product with Chlorhexidine (Peridex) will do the same brown staining.  They really should put a warning on the label but don't because the results are not uniform, meaning that it doesn't happen to all people.  It may be those with teeth more porous as yours are now, or it may be a reaction to something in the individuals mouth, but because it doesn't happen to everyone, they don't have to mention it.  :(

Sorry it happened to your teeth but I'm sure a buffing will help.  It does come off but needs more than a general brushing can do.

Good luck!  I hope the bufffing will be an end to what has been a terrible experience for you.

Best to you,
Gellia

[suszy123456789]

gellia,im getting them buffed today!there is an ingredint called cetylpyridinium chloride that is in scope,act,and crest that does cause discoloration.crest puts it on the label,act and scope do not. they should allow the customer to know,i never would of bought it!!!!!!!!!!! google it and you will see thousands of people including myself that this has happened to. i just hope it comes off!!!!!!!!

[Gellia]

Hi,
Normally the mouthwash wouldn't do the darkening thing.  Regular brushing would remove it, but I think your teeth have become porous from bleaching attempts.  

Let yourself heal and do regular brushings.  You may remove alot yourself and not need the cleaning.  DON'T scrub your teeth too hard or you can damage the enamel.  Just do regular brushings and DON'T bleach them again.  Wait until they have completely rehydrated.

There's a good possibility that the staining will go away by itself.  If not, you can do something then.

GOOD LUCK!
Best to you,
Gellia

[suszy123456789]

gellia,my teeth are darker now from the flouride rinse,when i heal they mentioned sand blasting the stains,what is that? they should warn people of the dangers of tooth darkening!!!!

[Gellia]

Hi,
Oh, my!  Suszy.  You have to leave yourself alone.  No whitening!  It will make your teeth far more sensitive and porous!.  Esp. with all that you have going on.  

PLEASE, just brush and floss for awhile.  Be gentle with yourself.  Whitening strips will fry your gums and dry out your teeth and you already had sensitivity to start.  

I'm not sure why you got brown in the cracks of your teeth.  A bit of yellowing there is normal and you may just be seeing that.  Or, it may be that your teeth are so dry the staining is just sticking to them

Please.  Start being gentle with your teeth and gums.  Any staining you may have from an OTC mouthwash would come off with simple brushing.  

Gums in general do not take to being "played" with lightly.  Neither do your teeth.  Putting oxygenated peroxide on them couldn't have made them very happy.  Your teeth in general have now become over dried and porous.  Do not drink dark soda, coffee, tea or red wine until they have rehydrated.  Give yourself some time here.

Doing too much can be as detrimental as doing nothing.  Find a happy medium but right now err on the side of doing nothing more than brushing (GENTLY) and flossing.

You need to heal.

Best to you,
Gellia

[suszy123456789]

THEY ARE SENSITIVE AGAIN FROM THE CREST WHITE STRIPS NOW,WHY DOES THE ACT RINSE MAKE THE CRACKS IN MY MOLARS BROWN? I NOW HAVE TO GET THEM BUFFED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS CRAZY,WHAT CAN I DO?

[suszy123456789]

gellia,i was using act rinse,my teeth got darker,brown is in the cracks,i got scared and bleached them,now im a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP!!!!

[suszy123456789]

gellia,hi,well we have come up with a diagnosis,i woke up with a headache and jaw pain,dentist said it was from grinding and it is tmj.all he told me was to get a mouth guard. i ask if there was a specialist he said no just an orthodontist. what can i do,i guess when the grinding stops the tmj does too,right? HOW COULD THIS OF HAPPENED FROM ONE CLEANING???

[patriciat]

Not brushing and especially flossing cause be a problem. Food that remains in the mouth, even overnight can cause mouth odors. Basically food is decomposing in your mouth.

Odors can also be from illnesses such as gastric.  

You did not mention if any perio problems was discussed with you on your last dental visit. First, try FLOSSING DAILY, use a mouthwash as well. Non alcohol if you are a smoker. See if that helps.

Then consider seeing your PCP. You may have another problem medically that needs to be looked into.

[Fletchar]

Hi patriciat,
Thanks for for your reply. Not in routine but if something stuck in my tooth then I use floss or tooth pick.
I went for a checkup in september 2010.

[patriciat]

Hi

Are you flossing daily too? This is as critical as brushing. Mouth odors can originate from various things.  How long since your last exam/cleaning? Please give more info.

[Fletchar]

Hi All,
New in this forum and don't know whether someone raise this problem or not so sorry if someone asked it before and redirect me to the solution.
I brush my teeth twice and they are shinning white. My problem is bad breath.
I have tried several mouth wash also but they didn't worked for me.
Any help in this regard will be appreciated.

[patriciat]

Hi!

I have been reading your posts and see you are still having so many problems. 

On your X-rays, there should have been a series of 4 bitewings taken where the third molars would have been included.  At least I always take 4 especially when I know thirds are still present. So if bitewings were taken, they should have a film with the thirds in them.....I would hope. Every office is different. Even an fmx should have a periapical of the thirds, unless a pano was taken instead.  Not sure how long it has been since you had that, but typically it is done every 3 years. 

I am not a fan of the OTC whitening strips cause they have hydrogen peroxide in them. It can irritate the gingiva.  The kits sold professionally have carbamide peroxide and really work well.  We start out at a very low % formula until the patient adjusts and can tolerate it. 

I have also been seeing patient sensitivity to toothpaste. Sodium Laurel Sulfate can be an issue.  I personally use organic toothpastes and mouthwashes.  
 
Unless I have missed something with all you posting, have tried to buy a night/mouth guard OTC?  I did not see it, but thought I would mention it. They are very cheap and you have not stated trying that to see if that helps relieve some pressure from clenching or grinding? I buy my husband's at places like WalMart cause he has a bruxing problem.  The night guard worked well for him. They are with the teeth products. Easy to find. 

Really sorry you are going through this. You are smart to pursue this as you have until you get resolution. I applaud you. 

Pat

 

[Gellia]

No, no....the peroxide won't hurt you!  It just dried the muscous membrance and can give it a white appearance but that will go away.  It is NOT thrush!!

Whitening strips are oxyperoxide.  A super oxygenated peroxide.  It can do far more damage to your gums than regular peroxide can.  You'd have to use it A LOT before it could cause any damage.  It won't cause thrush either.  Over use of antibiotics can lead to thrush, but even that is rare.  

What you need to do is go back to salt water rinses.  This is almost the same as normal saline in the mouth and won't cause any damage to your teeth,gums or anything else in there.  It's actually very healing and can help with any infection in the gums that could be starting.  If you have a root abscess, nothing will help and you will know it without question.  

PLEASE, be gentle with your teeth and gums now.  Your efforts to help yourself are admirable but you can actually be hurting yourself by being over zealous.  Don't even floss too hard.  It sounds as though your gums are in a friable condition and haven't had a chance to heal at all.  GENTLE is the key word.  Seriously, you can cause infections by brushing too hard, and flossing too vigorously.  Hold your toothbrush like you would a pen or pencil when you brush.  It's about all the pressure you need to get your teeth clean.  
Don't do anymore than brushing twice a day and flossing once.  Rinse as many times as you want with the salt water.  

I really think you'll be OK.  It just doesn't sound like a major abscess brewing to me but I can't see your teeth or any xrays so, obviously I can't be sure.  I guess I just don't WANT you to have an abscess any more than you do!!  

Hang in there.  Please just do the brushing, flossing and rinses.  Be gentle with yourself.
Again, time is your friend here.

Best to you and thanks for your well wishes, too,
Gellia

[suszy123456789]

gellia,now i read peroxide might cause oral thrush and upset the natural flora????????????????/ NOW WHAT DO I DO???????????? i only used it 2 times,could this happen? please help,i am not doing anything else,why would he tell me to do that?

[suszy123456789]

gellia,why would he tell me peroxide? now i have to deal with this!

[suszy123456789]

ps. i heard that the peroxide i used is the same as the whitening strips over the counter,is that true? just wondering

[suszy123456789]

dear gellia,you are the best,i do value your help. i hope you are ok as well. sorry you are to going through your own problems,please get better,you help so many others and you are needed!!!!!!! the hydrogen peroxide was not my idea,but i thought if he told me to do that it would go,i didn't add the water to it because he never told me!!!!!!! now i have more discomfort!!!! well, hope i didn't do anything permanent!!!!!! i stopped all that stuff and just doing what you said,i go back in a week for him to check! thanks again

[Gellia]

P.S.  A cleaning woudn't cause an abcsess because they don't go anywhere near the depth of the tooth root.  It's way too deep to reach without removing the gum surgically.  But, it can stir it up if one was starting.  

G

[Gellia]

Hi,
Sorry I haven't been around.  Had to deal with some of my own medical issues (sigh).

Peroxide won't harm you unless you use it too frequently.  For the most part it is 97% water.  What it does is oxygenate the mucous membrane and can turn it white (it makes it bubbly).  The peroxide is drying to them but the stinging and burning will go away.  Salt water is really better.  The peroxide has no benefit in curing an infection if one is present.  An antibiotic is needed for that.  

I see that your dentist said you may have an abscess starting.  The "wait and see" is about what most dentists would do.  You don't want to take antibiotics if you don't need them.

The very BEST thing you can do at this stage is to be gentle on your gums.  Use a soft toothbrush if you aren't already.  DON'T scrub!  If you do, you're only irritating the gum and making them sore, and possibly letting an infection brew.  Same with flossing...be gentle.  You need to let your gums heal at bit.  If you've been using peroxide you've probably got them pretty well irritated.  

If your dentist wants to wait and see, give your gums and teeth a rest.  The more you do to them at this stage the more likely you can make an infection blossom into an abscess by keeping it stirred up.

Just brush GENTLY twice a day and I do mean gently!  You get just as much plaque off your teeth with gentle motion as with scrubbing hard.  Like exercise, repetition is the key.  Try flossing twice a day too.  Again, do this VERY gently.  Your gums were irritated from the scaling to start with and anything but gentle brushing and flossing has probably kept them irritated.  Add peroxide to that mix and you have burning tongue and gums.  You may even notice some white patches.  They will go away.  Use the warm salt water.  Be sure you don't use too much salt.  Add 1/4 teaspoon to 8oz of warm water and swish it in your mouth.  You can do this as many times as you feel necessary as the salt water approximates normal saline.

That is really all you need to do.  Your gums need some time to rest so they can heal.  It's so easy to get them irritated and irritated gums can get infected.  Almost ANY mouth wound, and irritated gums are a mouth wound, will get infected by virtue of the bacteria we
have in our mouths.

Be gentle with your teeth and gums.  Use the toothpaste for sensitive teeth and just be very gentle in your brushing.  Sometimes when there is a strange feeling in the mouth the tongue will just find it's way to that spot and make it sore, too.  Try to pay attention to where your tongue is and keep it away from any sore spots.  A soreness makes one start to "pay extra attention" to that area with more vigorous brushing, etc.,  and in your case peroxide and baking soda.  It does the exact opposite of what we want and that's for your gums to heal.

I'm hoping you don't have an abscess starting.  Let the area rest so you don't stir it up.

I'll be here off and on.  Hang in there.  I'm pulling for you!
Good vibes!

My very best,
Gellia