Hi there - not sure if anyone has had this happened to their animal...but my 9 year old Shepard Cross recently went from healthy dog to all of a sudden on the verge of dieing.
Tuesday last week.. he started moaning when he sat down.. and because with the warm weather.. we have walked him way more.. and thought maybe his joints were hurting.
It wasn't till Friday that my hubby and I noticed him breathing heavy on his side and would start groaning when he sat down. Finally on Sunday we decided to take Siefer to our vet nearby to see if he has an upset tummy or not. He started having stinky farts.. which isn't abnormal for him..
So on Monday, we took him out and it went from good news 'oh nothing seems to be bugging him at all'.. and we're like 'oh thank gosh.. maybe he just has tummy problems again.. ate something wrong'. Then she went to listen to his heart.. and could barely. He had no fever but it was on the high end of the temperature scale. She then insisted we do xrays... which after $400 we were hoping it was nothing. Nope.. they could barely see his heart.. saying all the the fluid around his heart is making the xray almost seem ghostly.. his lungs have shriveled up making it the reason why he is having trouble breathing.
They done rushed us to emergency and he had to get an ultrasound done as well as withdrawing fluid to ease the pain and to test it.. with some bloodwork. We get the results tomorrow but I'm just hoping that I go the right direction. Everything online seems unsupported in regards to surgery due to the closeness of the heart.. and with his older age... but I just don't want to get tossed around. It's not about money but after $1400.. i know with additonal info.. it will cost more and more... but I want him to be better not worse.
Today he is lethargic... and I feel so bad. My little dog.. she's 5.. knows something is up and she is worried for him. He has had loose stool and bad gas.. I assume due to stress... and I hope.. and he's eating well...
I am so sad.. and my hubby finally broke down last night as its his dog.. they are really bonded. We just lost my 15 year old husky last year so this seems way too close and way too fast....
Any suggestions? Any knowledge to know if this is a few day, few weeks or few months to live?
I am just trying to be prepared.. although we never can be I guess.
Oh no. It is so terribly difficult to make decisions on major surgery or other treatments when our dogs reach their senior years. It does sound as if your dog won't last very long at all without treatment, so you are left with the unhappy choice of chancing surgery or euthanizing. There really isn't a wrong choice in this situation.
Exactly what sort of surgery is your vet recommending, or have I misunderstood? Is there any alternative treatment offered to help combat the symptoms so you can buy a little more time? Nine years old is certainly in the senior category, but if he's been in good health otherwise, it might be worth the risk. You both would have to be prepared for losing him one way or another; the questions are "when" and "how." You know your dog better than anyone else. Do you think he's a fighter who can withstand major surgery? You'll need to take recovery times and nursing care needs and costs into consideration as well.
Please let us know what happens. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. :-)
Awww thank you Jaybay - that is super sweet note! I'ts so much better talking to dog lovers and know the pains.
Our last dog died just recently in July 2008.. she was 15 year old husky/lab cross.. she was a trooper.. we had to euthanize her as she couldn't walk, was in pain and didn't eat (and she was a typical lab.. loved to eat no matter what!)... I feel bad as I wish we had done it sooner so she wouldn't have to suffer so much.. and could leave the world knowing all the positives. Plus we were scarred as the vet didn't poke her right the first 3 times and she yelped in pain and my hubby and I just bawled non stop.. we did NOT have a good experience.
Now with Siefer.. he is in pain.. and I am waiting by the phone for the results of his blood test.. but researching 'fluid in chest in dogs' online.. has resulted to nothing positive or promising.
1. They can drain the fluid necessary but eventually scars... so they can't do it anymore.
2. They can wrap the heart or something with something... so the chyle fluid doesn't reach the heart... but that's only has a 50% rate and then only 20% success rate.
3. Then the other two choices are not good either.. and not proven it works.
I think if Siefer was 4 or 5.. I would definitely want to try.. money hurts obviously (it's already $1400).. but if the success rates in this (like cancer in the colon) are high.. I would dive into no problem.. they are my babies.
I just know with such low hope... and pain for poor Siefer.. it's so miserable and not fair to him to suffer... because we want him around.
I know if JJ didn't tell us by not eating ... i woulda kept her alive becauswe I still think of them... :(
Here I am venting.. sorry...
THank you for listening and your comments Jaybay.. you are amazing.
I just don't want Siefer to go into Cardiac Arrest or stop breathing.. I hope to talk to the vet soon....
In your update post you mention that there was chyle fluid in the thorax. This would mean he has chylothorax, or, in layman's terms, there is lymphatic fluid in his chest cavity besides the other fluid. Did the vet say what they think caused it? Was it just idiopathic (just happened out of the blue)? Or does the vet think it's being caused by a tumor or something blocking up the lymphatic system? If there is something blocking the flow of the lymphatic fluid, that can be corrected. If it's idiopathic, the condition can be managed medically.
Managing a condition like this medically means that when the dog is experiencing discomfort, the fluid can be drained from the chest cavity, which will make him more comfortable again. Ask your vet about a supplement called "Rutin". Rutin is available in health food stores and it helps greatly to reduce the production of chyle and it also carries away the fat in the chyle fluid. Keeping your dog on a low fat diet will help a lot while you are going through this as well. Often, the combination of the draining of the chest fluid, the use of the Rutin and the low fat diet will help the condition to resolve.
Talk to your vet about it. Ask as many questions as you need to until you are satisfied. If you feel that your vet is not answering your questions to your satisfaction, get a second opinion. Please keep us posted as to how your dog is doing. Good luck!
My vet has yet still to call us with the results. I will call him in a bit. We are assuming that it is Chylothorax and judging by the posts surrounding this, it seems like only major surgery can heal this.
However reading what you said.. with draining of the fluid and medication.. maybe it will go away?
They drained it the first time and he still is uncomfortable... but I heard with prolonged draining... scarring tissue forms.
As for Rutin.. I heard it works temporarily until the body isn't transferring the fat to the dog and then works against his body and he gets malnutritioned.
This seemed to happen just last week.... however hubby said a few months back, when Siefer jumped on our bed and laid down, he'd groan.. but I only remembered that vaguely.
It is like you said, chyle fluid in his chest cavity. They didn't see cancerous cells around his heard (they were thinking heart cancer)... but now they are testing the fluid for cancerous cells - leading to what you have noted, as a tumor blockage..
He is currently, with my other dog, on a raw food diet.
I also added Omega 3 to his diet.. hopefully that hasn't added to his fat ...
Thanks so much for the hopeful post..it's the most positive thing I have heard.
Jaybay thanks for the support too.. you guys are awesome.
Just called my vet.. he said the tests he did weren't clear.. and needs a cat scan done and more fluid withdrawn.
At this point, he said there were no cancer cells however there is some abnormal cells.
He then went on to say everything that Ghilly said above.. about the Rutin and the low fat diet to support and maybe releasing the fluid every few weeks.
I asked him how long he expects him to live.. and he said he doesn't know obviously, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.. he said most of the time it's the owners that find it bothersome then the dog not taking it well.
He says it'll only work of course if it's non cancerous.. and he can't confirm if it's cancer till we take a catscan.
So I talked to hubby... and we said.. well what if we did the catscan to find cancer.. then what?? Would it be worth it... obviously not to sound rude.. that it's about money.. but if we did find cancer, we promised we wouldn't put him through the pain surgery and then have to rebound to heal.. and the chance of it not succeeding completely as the cancer would be located in his main organs.. not colon.
We talked that yeah, we'd spend thousands on getting him back to 100% however will it? He is 9 years old... am I doing it just to keep him around longer.. and is it in his best interest?
I know if he was 4 or 5... there is no doubt we would try everything we could.. but even then.. if it was cancer in the organs.. besides chemo.. what else could we do... and that really lessens their quality of life.
Dogs live in the now and I'd hate to decrease his life quality....
I'm not sure what you girls think...
I think we might progress with the RUtin.. and take him off raw food (he told us not to put him on raw food but low fat vet food.. bleh...) and then they can withdrawn the fluid from him if need be...
I don't know.. I think it's the best idea.. but then again i'm so hesistant too... :( I hate making decisions...
Thanks for listening.. any advice or outlook (since you both seem to be experienced dog lovers).. that would aid in my thought progression, please!
Also... still bugging me i need the vet food for low fat.. if i went out to buy some lean meats for Siefer coupled with some other low fat items.. wouldn't that be low fat enough??? or does Low Fat food in kibble form contain something special...
I just hate to go back to dry kibble when we all know that it's what causes most of the problems in our dogs in the first place...
and now bugs me even more that he's pushing it as the only way for him to eat... how can processed food be better then the real thing??
Your mind works the same way mine does - I feel for you. There are so many "what if's" to consider, and don't appologize for also considering the financial aspects of treatment. It's just a nasty part of any medical decision not only for our pets, but ourselves.
I couldn't swear to it, but I suspect that your vet wants you to avoid raw food because any infection could be fatal at this point. One little salmonella bacteria would carry you dog off, so it's best to err on the safe side with a high quality commercial food. Another option would be a homemade diet that is cooked. Your vet should be able to give you some recipes to try.
One thing that caught my eye in your update is that your vet thinks fluid drainage is necessary only every few weeks. That is good news! I was thinking it was going to be every few days, which isn't a good option in my book - for you or the dog. The way I see it, the CT scan is to determine the presence of a tumor. You don't yet know if it's malignant or benign. Will that answer change your opinion on surgery? I agree with you that treating a malignancy in a dog this age isn't a good idea; but if there IS a mass and it's benign it might be worth the surgery risk.
These decisions don't need to be made today. Go ahead and treat it medically for a few weeks and see how things go. I also think a vitamin supplement would be a good thing to add to prevent any nutritional deficiencies from a homemade or even a prescription diet. That was a problem for my dog who died of kidney failure. So many foods were off the diet list due to high phosphorus content, that I made her food myself and added a no-phosphorus vitamin pill to help make up the difference. It wasn't easy finding those vitamins either!
Certainly your dog is very ill right now, but this needn't be the end just yet. All you can do is keep him as happy and comfortable as you can for as long as possible, and isn't that what we do every day? With Chica's kidney failure, it started as a month-to-month thing; then week-to-week; and finally day-to-day. The nursing requirements built up slowly and by the end it was all-consuming. I honestly didn't realize how much of my time was spent in nursing her until it was over. Like I said earlier, there really isn't a "wrong" decision here. Let your conscience and your dog be your guide. I have every faith that whatever you do will be the right thing. :-)
*IF* you can afford to have the CT scan done, I would do it to see if you're dealing with cancer. If it's cancer, I would probably decide not to pursue treatment as it would only prolong the discomfort with no hope of resolution. BUT, if it's not cancer, I would go ahead with the treatments and see how things go for a while. If you start to see positive changes, then you'll know that chances are you're going to get somewhere with it. Your dog will tell you how things are going. I wouldn't do anything drastic right away, though. See how things go for a bit.
Hi Ghilly and Jaybay.. sorry been MIA but I wanted to take the opportunity to thank you both for your support and your knowledge. Jaybay you gave me great emotional support when I needed it, coming from a dog lover.. and Ghilly, you gave me unbiased truthful support that turned out to be the best opinion.
We went to two vets and we found a lady, Dr. Amelia Falk who was super sweet.
As you noted Ghilly, hubby and I also decided, if it was cancer, we wouldn't proceed with the procedure.. the stats aren't too promising.
Today we took Siefer in for a 2nd fluid removal.. however she wasn't able to get much out. She did say it might be due to her lack of expertise.. but during the ultrasound she saw a litre worth of fluid (Last week they took out 2 litres).. yikes. She spent the time to discuss the situation.. I appreciated it a lot. She said I could go back to the hopsital and have some removed but it will just persist.
She noted, that if it wasn't cancer, the Rutin he's been on and the drainage from the first time, that the litre that just filled up wouldn't be so drastic.
Plus, he is starting to gurgle when he breathes.. so unfortunately, we have to come to a decision.
Although I'd love to remove the liquid every week or so.. it's not making his life any better and I honestly am keeping him around just for my sake. His internal organs aren't benefitting the fluid in his chest.. and he's not enjoyingmeals so much.. I think after he eats he wants to puke due to the congestion in there...
So.. tomorrow is most likely the day it will have to happen. We are having a final Siefer walk tonight with some friends. We will have to leave on a good note.
My eyes are filling with tears on behalf of you and Siefer. My own loss from last January is still too fresh for my liking, so I have a good idea of how you must be feeling right now. I agree that you're making the right decision - as terribly difficult as it is.
One thing that helped a great deal with Chica last year was sedating her before we took her to the vet for the last time. You might ask your vet to give you some pills to sedate Siefer before you leave the house. The last thing Chica knew was being held and stroked on her favorite couch. We had to carry her out to the car for her last ride.
You are all in my thoughts and prayers tonight. Know that you aren't alone, and if you need to talk about anything we are all here for you. God bless.
I am so sorry that you have had to make this most difficult decision. I admire your strength and ability to put Siefer's comfort before your own emotions.
When you began your relationship with Siefer, by opening your home and heart to him you made him an unspoken promise to take care of him, to always be there for him, to never let him go hungry, and to never let him suffer when there was no hope of recovery. We all make these promises to our pets when we begin our lives with them as members of the family. You are keeping the final promise that you made to Siefer; to never let him suffer when there is no hope of recovery. It's the ultimate act of love, and it hurts more than anything you will ever have to do, but it shows just how much you love him that you are willing to let him go so that he does not suffer. God Bless You for that.
If you need anyone to talk to, my mailbox is always open. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Jaybay - thank you for your great support - you seem to always say the sweetest and sincere comments - thank you so much. It's almost like you all here at the forum were sent from above - because it's the best support I have received. I am sorry to hear about your Chica... *hugs* maybe Siefer will find her in Doggie heaven!! This time it wasn't so bad.. last year our 15 year old Husky JJ - well the vet missed 4 times on her vein and the look on her face still scars me!! She left in pain, distress and hungry I bet. That's why this time with Siefer.. I wanted to give him the best ever - here is the link to his pictures of his Farewell party we had for him.
With JJ we waited too long due to my selfishness of having her around.. she didn't walk, defacated on herself, wouldn't eat her FAVORITE foods.. and in so much pain... then to have the vet poke her so many times with that needle and her yelping (she NEVER yelps)... to this day it still breaks my heart. She visits in my dreams often... which is weird as Siefer has yet to visit me.
My hubby is NOT taking things well tho. Although my dog before he met me.. him and Siefer bonded like you wouldn't believe. He is a tough guy but broke down the night before the vet, at the vet (I did too) and then the rest of the night including the next morning.. crying and just crying. I feel so bad for him .. so keeping strong for him.
Ghilly - how great to have you with your loads of information and knowlege - it's so great to get insights into dogs from a dog lover.. we are all so blessed to have you here. I intend to stay on this forum when time allows to help others like you guys have helped me.
Silkytee - thank you for your kind words... it is the worse part of having a pet.. but the pain we feel equals to all the love they gave us :) So everytime my heart aches or I get teary eyed.. I think of all the happy times... and it makes me smile and giggle too :)
Love you all - I'm not even religious and I just feel so blessed to have found you guys.
Hope you enjoy the pictures and have a great valentines!
If nothing else, I'm glad you found support here. It's not easy seeing a grown man cry, is it? My husband has the same kind of bond with Maggie, and whenever her time comes it's going to be horrific - for both of us.
I LOVE this quote: the pain we feel equals to all the love they gave us. That really says it all. :-)
Thanks SO much for sharing the pics with us. My heart broke for you having to make the awful decision to put Siefer to sleep. How I wish I could have given you a real hug instead of a virtual one. Siefer was a lucky boy to have had such a wonderful family. I'm so glad that you've decided to stay around here with us!
my dog had fluid around her heart but then it went away and then she started breathing abnormal so we took her to the vet and since there was too much fluid we had to choices to extract the fluid but it would just keep coming back or put her down and we put her down she was only six i miss her so much she died yesterday i hope the same thing wont happen to u :(
My dog also had fluid in his chest, plus diarrhea, weight loss and dull hair. The vet gave him lasix to drain the fluid and it worked very well in the first week, but then the water comes back in the second week..
X-ray couldn't show his lung and heart at all..vet suggested CT scan, because he believes 99% chance of cancer in the chest.
Billy still has very good appetite and wants to play (but lack of strength)...
Oh Maggie - that is horrible - I'm sorry for your loss. I didn't realize this was so common because the vets kept telling me it rarely happens - but I sometimes think that he did that just to squeeze all the money he could out of me.
With Chylothorax - seems to be only two kinds, the idiopathic kind, which is non cancerous and with supplement treatment - and drainage eventually goes away - but that seems to only be successful in cats?
Than there is the cancerous one, that even the surgery alone, seems high risk, only 50% chance... due to the location.. so close to the heart/lungs.
That was under my understanding. As sad as it sounds Maggie, the chances are so slim, and it's a tough choice, but our puppies are no longer suffering. I can't imagine feeling the way they do.
RoyalMaki - your situation sounds just like mine. Siefer started getting diahrea, losing weight, breathing heavy and then his hair definitely went from super super shiny to dull and flakey. The fluid comes back super quick, the first time they drained 2 litres from his chest... that is so much :(. He too ate quite well but you could tell he couldn't stomach it as much as before. He also loves to go offleash and chase his stick (you can see the pictures above) - but can't last long as before... breaks my heart.
Dogs have extreme pain threshold.... sometimes I wish they can talk.
As the week went on for Siefer.. his breathing got heavier.. he couldn't sleep through the night.. always moaning and moving due to the fluid pressure.. and on top... the last two days before his last day.. there were gurgling sounds when he breathed and I know that is NOT a good sign.
Although his last day was full of yummies and playtime.. I still miss him tons.
If you need to talk, I'm here for you.
If you do have the money to go ahead with the CT Scan, you can do it... but this is what hubby and I talked about... if the supplements didn't work and the draining keeps coming back AND the CT Scan revealed cancer.. would I be able to put Siefer through a 50% surgery to remove the cancerous cells or Chemo?
Depending on the age of your dog RoyalMaki - I think they will be blessed with whatever choice you make :) I know you will make it for the for your puppy!
Billy is a 9-year-old doxie. In fact, he will be 10 next month.
Billy has an vet appointment tomorrow for chest x-ray again... but the lasix seems not working well since 2 days ago, and the fluid came back so fast (faster than I can imagine)... I am still struggle whether to go or not...if the x-ray comes out to be not clear again: waste money and billy has to suffer; if the x-ray comes out clear and find the mass, I don't think I will let Billy take the risk for an open chest operation! But if I just sit at home with him, his situation for sure won't get better unless miracle happens..
I know it's tough - Siefer too turned 9 in March.. well would have.. so due to age - I didn't want him to suffer.
You will do best for Billy and you love him so much which is a gift in itself. Not sure if you saw my pics above... but I threw a farewelll party for Siefer the day before his time.. and he had so much fun.
The fluid in the chest is so horrible... and I know what you are going through and sense your pain and heartache... as my vet said, it's almost like drowning...
I know the choices you have to make are super tough, and you are right, unless a miracle happens, there is no point in spending money.. but it isn't about money I know..
I wish you all the best and hugs through this tough time and multiple hugs to Billy!!
Sun_sh1ne, thanks for the support. I will let Billy enjoy the time with us. I decided not to take him to the vet anymore; he took the x-ray again yesterday, but nothing wrong shown another than the fluid pushing his lung aside.
The cause is not important as I know it's not treatable or too big of a price to treat, so I rather Billy has good quality of life.
I have a 5 year old White German Shepherd and just found out last weekend, after returning from 15 days vacation, that she had fluid around her heart and lungs also. She was having difficulty breathing as her lungs were collapsed from the fluid. They did x-rays but could not see much due to all the fluid and all of her organs were pushed out of place and they thought she had an enlarged liver at first but with an ultrasound they found that was not the case. The diagnosis I got was mesothelioma but I'm skeptical of this because from what I have read it is caused by asbestos exposure and not diagnosable via ultrasound. They drained off 3.5 liters of fluid and she has been a lot better after that but she is still not strong and not herself. The vet told me to spoil her and that her days were numbered. I don't know what to do next. I will not put her (or me) through surgery/chemo (and the vet didn't think this was a good idea either) but I really don't even know for sure if it's cancer or something else. If it is not cancer is it possible that it's something treatable or is it just a matter of time?
Earlier this evening, we too had a family pet, (me & my 15 yr old son's Eniglish Bulldog "aka" Walter ) who was having difficulty breathing.You see Walter, my 8 and a half year old English Bulldog had just returned home the evening before this, having been at the Vet's since Wednesday evening for observation and prognosis of what appeared to be a very serious health emergency. His belly was so distended that the doctor told me, after she drained it (Saturday evening via the telephone) that she had drained 3 liters of fluid from his belly! He felt so much better aftewards. She was supposed to send him home with my sister with a bottle of heart pills because he'd had some arrythmia abnormalities, but for some strange reason she hadn't. I wonder if this is was inevitably led to his demise? I got on here to read up on some of your stories to see if I could possibly find a solution for Walter's apparent discomfort. Would you believe that he actually died sometime between me calling up our family vet (who had left to bring us a 2 week supply of breathing medication) and searching up this site when Walter suddenly had a heart attack and died? When my vet got to the door, I said,"he's dead. Walter is dead." He said, " Now, as in just this very minute?" as I said sadly," yes, I believe he died just a few minutes ago since we last spoke." God are we sad...sigh* Walts been with our family now for 8 and a half years. My son is taking his death particularly hard being that Walter is one of our oldest dogs and well, he's made alot of history with him. I wanted to share the most amazing thing. Well, when my dog began to gasp for air, he panicked and walked to my son's bedroom door where he was tied with his harness and leash inside. My son heard him struggling for air and then he asked me to call the vet. In the interim my son gently carressed Walter's head and face, talking sweetly to him as he claims, "Walter layed down and seemed ok." I wen't in his room to check on Walt and when I stepped out and entered my bedroom my son and I both heard this huge "THUMP, BUMP, THUD." I said," Was that you?" as my son returns," No, your kidding, that must have been you." But we soon realized it was niether of us as we both quickly sprang into action with our cans of pepper spray in which to defeat an intruder. Now comes the "funny thing", and believe me, this is not at all an easy thing to write. Perhaps it's half comforting for me to get on screen, but moreso the joy it brought me in the bitterest sence and comfort is the message I desired to share. It seems that my son had not yet noticed Walter's passing. He appeared to be sleeping at this point...as we returned downstairs realizing it must have been a false alarm, we returned to finishing my boy's homework atop my bed. Realizing that the vet would soon be arriving with Walt's breathing medication, my son decided to get up quick and check on Walter, a few seconds passed before my son began to scream, "Mom, mom! Come check Walter for me...I don't think he's breathing!" As I sprang into action, only to reach the very place we had last seen him resting a few short moments before we heard this bang sound that thundered through the walls. So after the vet arrived, within that same minute...I walked him downstairs to see if he could confirm what I'd already feared as true. He asked for a plastic bag to take his body in. Walt weighed about 45 lbs and his name was Walt after Walt Disney due to this natural marking in the shape of Mickey Mouse's head and ears on his right side in brundle. One big blue eye would stair at you in the most human of ways, while the other more craftily operating eye roved around for whatever mischievnous that it could spy. Just before the vet left I said," wait, let me see if my son wants to say goodbye to his dog." and well, that was not a success. He was in my room, door shut with a pillow stuffed into his face with tears soaking it. Next, I decided to get the two of my other dogs to say goodbye. Particularly "Mr. Bean" who was respectfully Walter's very best friend on this earth! That's when I saw it! What you may ask? Ok, I opened the bathroom door where Mr. Bean was asleep on his little green rug in the bathrrom. Mr. Bean is not an English Bulldog, but rather a 7 year old chinese pug. But, as I opened up the door I could see very clearly before me an entire drawer (weighing an easy 25 lbs filled with toiletries and nick knacks...just sitting off it's hinges on the floor. As shocking a sight that it truly was, I had not yet gotten the full, entirety of it's being there until a little after the vet left with Walter's body. I came downstairs and as I re-entered the bathroom, having forgotten what I'd see a little while earlier, Now I had the chills running up and down my bed and neck...as I said," honey (to my son) did you pull this drawer right out of it's track and onto the bathroom floor?" At this, no response was heard. So again, stating that the drawer was completely pulled out and off it's hingests and track and appeared to have been dropped by some very strong force. We both realized this must have been the loud sound we'd noticed much earlier, right about the time Walter must have passed. We are the only two people living in this house and I know how that drawer operates....It has never once come off it's tracks. Infact, it would have had to of been tugged, jerked and pulled to such an extent, only to be dropped with such force, the walls would have shook (which explained the mysterious ruckus we'd heard before). Anyways, just thought I'd share, I'm gonna go back to crying now with my kid. Thanks and God bless! R.I.P. Walter Thornton, you were the greatest dog! Life won't be the same without you EVER AGAIN! Mommy, Harry, Lazarus, Bean and the birds love you too!
I am going thru the same thing with my 8 year old Golden Retriever right now. It just amazes me that they can do a 6 grand surgery to possibly repair it or alleviate it, but they can't come up with a $20 med.
The rutin isnt working on my end and Montana will more then likely last a week if we are lucky. They wanted to test for cancer too, but I wouldnt allow it. What for? If they can't fix this problem, what good does knowing he has cancer or not do us? Nothing. Very heartbroken.
Thank you for giving information about your pets, sorry for your losses. We are dealing with something in our 6 year old lab. Likely the chylothorax if I am reading right in the early posts and remembering what the vet stated.
Our Banjo was getting extremely skinny and our son asked me to bring him to the vet. The vet saw his heavy breathing and could not hear his lungs from the lower chest. Xray's revealed fluid in the chest cavity. Vet asked about injury where maybe he would have bleeding from a hernia. We knew of none. He drew a fluid sample and found no blood or infection but talked about the abnormal number of protons vs. neutrons etc and suspects lympho.... cancer.
He had us give the dog Predna and wants to try diaretics when the weather cools. The Predna has brought Banjo back to life, per se. He looks healthy, even chases a chipmunk or two. We try to get him inside and cool him down asap as to not stress him out. He still breathes heavy, but his weight gain has been almost immediate. We are 12 days since diagnosis and have been feeding him anything and everything. Mostly a mix of canned food with his dry food. He eats all the time now, when at first he barely ate a couple tablespoons at a time.
Any thoughts for us and especially any thoughts on the diaretics? I assume that will be an attempt to dry his fluids up.
My dog Ives just had the surgery for cylothorax. He is still on the Hills R/D food and Rutin. His 2 week visit post surgery showed a small amount of fluid in the chest. Follow up visit in a month. I am not certain yet if this has worked, but he is 4 and i thought i needed to try. After countless tapping of fluid, 2-3 days a part for 2 weeks, 3 ultrasounds , 2 blood test, and a CT scan to rule out cancer, I was told surgery would be his only best shot though the success rate is only 80-90%. So I took a chance, yes, I have spent $10k. How rapidly the vet bills grew going from my local vet to a specialist, since my local vet had never seen a case. It is best to see a vet who has succsessfully treated cylothorax.
So now after reading all the posts, I am not sure if this will work. Guess it is really up to God and Ives. I have done all I can. And though he seems to have returned to his old self, how long this will last, remains to be seen.
I did know if the cause was cancer, I would have put him down. And I know if it comes back, I will need to do that too.
After reading all of your post today I find that you a great people when it comes to loving your animals. I would first like to say that i am so sorry about the death of you family pets. I am writing this comment to ask your opinion of what you think of what i am about to say.My sister has a 3 year old chihuahua. I took her to my vet yesterday because for two weeks she has not ate or drank in almost 2 weeks and has a very hugh swollen stomach and its very hard. All she does is lay around, She use to be a very active dog. The vet gave her a heartworm test which was negative and checked her heart which he is now saying was a little weak. He said she is probably pregnant; however before he said that he said it was way to soon for her to become pregnant several times. He just sent us home. Well when my sister woke up this morning sissy was laying on the bedroom floor dead. Another dog which is also a chihuahua and is 6 years old was brought to the same vet at the same time. Her name is FeFe and she also had a very huge stomach where her vains are popping out and her chest is really swollen, she is painting very heavily. The vet said she had uti. Now how is he to know that if he never ran any test. He sent her home with antibiotics and there is no change at all. I just wanted to get ya'll opinion as to what i can do, because i know longer trust this vet. Thank You all so much for listening.
I have a 12 year old soft coated wheaten terrier. Difficulty breathing, no appetite. Fluid in chest. Did xrays and ultra sounds. Tested his blood, urine, and the fluid which the vet drained from his chest. Vet took out 3 1/2 cups fluid Thursday, and another 2 cups yesterday. Tests indicate heart, kidneys, liver, intestines, are ok. Awaiting results of culture. Next step appears to be CT scan. Vet thinks maybe a tumor, possibly cancer, in/around lungs...
I am still hoping it is a treatable condition..
Hi my German shepherd had a condition where he had fluid round his heart and kept filling his stomach. They drained the fluid from his stomach 3 times then had to do surgery open his chest up and drain the fluid from round his heart. They told me he only had a 50/50 chance of survival of the op. he had that done when he was only a year old he is now 10 and is healthier than any dog I know
i have a 9 year old german shepherd with the same problems.they have done loads of tests,heart everything looking for cancer.and tested the cyle found nothing, she is in hospital now, she had the op on Friday. I am so worried hows your dog now
hi I am in exactly the same position as you are I have 9 year old German shepherd Sasha, and we went through all the tests, scans x rays you name she had it, now she is in intensive care at a vetenery hospital .she's had the operation 5 days ago and when you ring the vets they keep saying the same we will ***** her no change im heartbroken she went in on my birthday.do they get better after surgery.
OMG, I read every post here and Im ready to cry. Great community. My dog is only 3 years old and was just diagnosed with chylethorax a few days ago. They drained his chest and that helped sooo much. Ive spent over 3k in 10 days and they want another 9k to do a surgery which has like a 70% success rate with no guarantees. I'm not sure what to do. Besides that he's verrrrrry healthy and has always pretty much been on a low fat diet of kibble and home made turkey and vegis cooked in the crock pot, so I really don't know how to get him on a lower fat diet. Dr. said his diet is great too. Bought some Rutin ystrdy and am going to give that a try. Im hoping for any kind of miracle.
Thank you everyone for sharing I feel relief that we're not alone in this. I have a 6 year old Frenchie. Her stomach was distended 2 weeks ago so we brought her to emergency care. She ended up having fluid around her lungs, in her abdomen, and around her heart. They said cancer and abnormal cells. They sent the lab work and kept her. Drained some fluid. Labs came back not cancer. We got her a EKG and ekcho and the cardiologist says nothing looks abnormal. She's back home now. She seems back to herself eating drinking pooping fine but over the last week her belly gets bloated depending on the time of day. We try to keep her on bed rest as much as possible. I just don't know where to go from here? Should I look up a specialist? Bring her back to get more fluid drained? I don't know what to do I get scared that one day she'll have trouble breathing again. I'm just spending as much time as possible with my baby girl. Did anyone get a condition or a name I could look into for these symptoms? Thanks so much.
I've been reading your problem with your dog and it seems to me like you might want a second opinion. This vet may be the greatest but I think they keep wanting to do different tests which are extrememely costly. I think sometimes the vet has us in a corner and takes advantage of certain situations. I know mine does. I have a yellow lab Cera who has fluid around her heart. She's on three kinds of meds right now but still has laboured breath sometimes.we keep her calm and lots of love. I am going to get a second opinion on her because she was just sick with all mucous. I hope your "puppy" gets better and I know it would be very hard especially when you have lost one not so long ago. I think it comes down to as you said..we want to keep them but I do believe if you ask him and look into his eyes he will let you know when its time...fingers crossed.
Omg. This sounds like my story. Exactly to the tee. Local vet. Best animal hospital in nyc for my boy Henry 81/2 years old golden doodle 24 k later and small fluid ( Cyle ) back. Call me if you would like. I am devastated and he acts like he is a pup still. But I have to go back in 1 month for another X-ray and pray like I do every day to God that he is cures. Today 10/27/14 we start a medication steroid to see if his body will help the Cyle build up. Td ligation/ pericardectomy/ and partial lobectomy and pneumothorax and 10 days intensive care and I am still lost for words. Call me if you want. 9177490777. Frank. I need a low diet and he is on 500mg of rutin 3 x day. I switched from raw diet to FROM dry and avengers wet. Any advice for diets
Think my comment was lost! If not, sorry for the duplicate reply.
My 6-year-old dog has been fighting idiopathic chylothorax for over a year. We tried the low fat diet (Royal Canin low fat gastrointestinal) and rutin for several weeks and it didn't work. Then had the surgery done - thoracic duct ligation and pericardiectomy. After many complications, we found that the surgery did not work.
Vet then implanted a pleural port. This is a device that goes under the skin and has a long tube attached that floats in the chest cavity. It allows you to drain the fluid at home rather than having repeated chest taps. She has tolerated this very well. Unfortunately, the port stopped working last week. Vet thinks that fibrin in the chest caused it to plug up. Had it replaced on Monday and will go from there.
Most vets have never seen a case of chylothorax and it is extremely frustrating. My dog is still happy, eating well, playful, etc and I'm not ready to lose her yet.
You might ask your vet about the pleural port - this one is from Norfolk Vet Products: http://www.norfolkvetproducts.com/pleuralport.html
It is a less invasive and less expensive surgery. It's not a cure but it may buy you some time. I wish you and all of us good luck with this!
Can I ask how expensive the port surgery was? Did the dog tolerate surgery well? My almost 12 year old baby was just diagnosed with same but unfortunately we cannot afford several thousand for surgery and are hoping the port is an option. What low fat food did you use? Mine is very picky and won't eat hills or royal canine and getting her to take the rutin is a nightmare! Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
I'm exhausted-in all ways! We are dealing with the same-fluid in chest cavity. Bought our liter mate female rotts 91/2 years ago! feel soo lucky to have had them this long! Lucy (aka-LuLu) has hearing problems-so glad she has her sister-Abby-as they work together like yen & yang! Lu came down ill a few days before Christmas. I'm 56 and these babies let you know-you're alive by the buckets of tears we've shed! Soo much money-with not much hope of keeping them forever! Lu's on Lasik and now a heart med-which is impossible to get in her-as she is not eating- nothing-for 3 days now. They are so smart-she knows there's something unusual wrapped in anything we try to hide meds in and spits it out! Can't get anything in her! Go for 2nd x-ray 2maro. I'm soo scared she won't wake up after sedation and don't want her to leave us in a vets office. My hope is dwindling! So-what's left? I'm getting ready to draw on my own experience! I wouldn't be here myself if it weren't for flax seed(but that's another story-sort of tied to this one). I have some Chaga extract (it's a suppliment-you can look this up on wikipedia). At this point-I feel-what can it hurt to try! They both have knots that I suspect are tumors and maybe the Chaga will destroy them! I would've tried anything if someone would've told me-when I was in SOO much pain! I know-all things come & go-but its the suffering and pain I don't deal well with! And as long as I have breath-I will not allow the physical pain-in myself-or for the things I love to suffer without trying something-ANYTHING-that might help! If the natural remendies can help us-why not our pets? After all-they eat grass for a reason and other plants 2 that I don't understand-but they do! I've even seen them eat bark off trees! We are fortunate to have a vet that will come to our home and lay her to rest-if it comes to that. I'm so Thankful to all of you (tho I've bawled my eyes out with each of your experiences!)) I will keep in touch and wish the best for all our LOVED ONES!!
Yes , that is how my Story goes , I had a Border Collie he was coughing throwing up clear fluid , took to his vet they said its nothing it will pass. By that late night he became listless panting restless and cool then he stood up and drank 1 full bowl of water.., I warmed him with Blankets then took him to Emergency VET ..they stuck a needle in his chest and with drew fluid and it looked bloody , she the DR said di he get into Rat poison ?? I said not that I a aware ..since he spend most every moment with me ,,she the Vet then said the best thing to do is EUTHANIZE him I said what ?? she said Cancer shows that signs How can make this ultimate decision when only it was the first Visit ?? they put hi to sleep I am beyond pissed off..and missing him
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