AGP is still rollin!

Time for a new thread and I thought I would start it off with some good news.

Today.. sasparilla is happy
and she is right
and the Dr. was wrong

How you like that, Dr Doom?????


E2: 1350
Right: 21, 17, 15, 14
Left: 22, 14, 12, 12, 10

Took me 12 days of stims, but we have contact.
One more day of stims and I trigger tomorrow night (please no more set backs.. please.. I asked nicely)

WOW.. And I woke up convinced today was the day I would be canceled.

I'll keep everyone posted.  Thanks ladies for the support.  

[rghkah38]

sasparilla I so happy for you.  That is a great amount of follies you have.  I want to wish you the best of luck.

I went in for another ultrasound on Friday and a few more follies pop up. On Friday I had 8 that ranged from 13 thru 19 and 4 that was less than 10.  I couldn't believe it. I did the trigger shot last night and my retrival is tomorrow.  It just ***** that I have to wait another month to do the transfer.

[Helen72]

Sally,
I am sooooo happy for you!!!  That's great news.  Glad your body finally cooperates.

rghkah,
Waiting a month will be painful but I hope your body will recover and will be ready for transfer.

[sasparilla]

rgh....you and I seem to be real similar in our outcome.  Why you waitin to fertilize (im nosey)?  Wish we could raise a glass of wine and give ourselves a nice "cheers".  Good luck.. let us know what goes on at retrieval.

And thanks Helen.. man.. its been a hard road and it not over yet.. was just telling DH that this is in my top 3 of most stressful things in my life.  

[Juana824]

Hello ladies!

Sally - That's awesome! Persistance pays off!!!

RGH - I am nosey too...why are you waiting a month?

Hi Helen - What's going on with you?

[magda_s]

OMG Sally... that's FANTASTIC!  Good for you!  You GO girl.  I'm almost speechless (and that's saying a lot for me!!) at the fact that you clearly showed him!!  I'm SO impressed with you.  IN fact, I think you're my hero!  SO proud!
I had my u/s today and apparently all is well.  I have to go back tomorrow because besides a number of good sized follies, it seems there are quite a few equally sized smaller ones that might just need an extra day to grow a bit so he wants to see if we can wait without jeopardising the others.  But he seems to think it'll be okay either way.  I guess it's just a matter of seeing if we can maybe have enough to freeze some.

[kp1212]

Hi all,

Just wanted to say that SALLY IS A ROCK STAR!!!

For those of us able to have a drink tonight, raise that glass to Miss Sasparilla!!!  I know I will!  :-)

Hope you all are doing well,

Krista

[rghkah38]

It's alright you guys are a loud to be nosey.  I'm waitting a month because the dr. wants to see if the reason why the embryos are not implanting in my uterus is because of the stim medications.  She told me that she has had other patients that this had happen too.  I'm just hoping this 2 month ivf cycle works.  I'll keep you ladies posted.  




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[magda_s]

That's REALLY interesting and thanks for sharing.  I for one really appreciate it.
I sure hope the wait makes all the difference for you and frankly, I'll be interested to know because I'm coming up to my 4th IVF transfer and as always, so far so good... I get lots of follies, we end up with "perfect" embryos, my b/w is always very good, and yet... nothing ever sticks.  
In fact, you've just given me hope for this cycle because I did the last 3 cycles with one type of stim (similar to Menopur) and this time my doctor decided to change it (I'm on Puregon) just for the hell of it!!  He said it's the only thing he CAN change since everything else is going so well but as the last 3 tries haven't worked, why not give another stim a try?  
And if it's possible that stims can prevent implantation in some people then I guess it's also possible that a person's body could react that way to one kind of stim and not another.  So maybe this will work for me!  And if it doesn't, I think I'll ask to do the same as you next time... wait a month before doing the transfer.
Again, I hope it works for you.
Wow!  Who'd have thunk!!

[miky72]

Sally:I'm SOOOOO happy you showed him!!!!!
You are my hero!!!!!

On my side not good news this morning I found some brown spotting when I went to the bathroom.It look like AF is coming or worse its the same exact symptom I had with my ectopic pregnancy.so not good at all..I'm waiting 9 AM to call my RE...but I kno there is nothing I can do at this point.
Looks like IVF #4 did not work for me...

[kp1212]

Miky,
I'm sorry you are having a cruddy morning.  Try not to jump to conclusions--you never know how it will turn out.  
Regardless, know that I am pulling for you.
Krista

[Helen72]

Miky,
I am so sorry about the spotting.  Can that be implantation bleeding?  I don't know what to say.  I have been spotting and bleeding for 4 weeks now non-stop and still manage to stay pregnant.  I really hope that everything is OK with you.

[miky72]

Thank you Helen & Krista,
I spoke with my RE and as usual she was great...she told me it could go either way at this point but she also want me to come tomorrow instead of Tuesday so I do not have to leave "in hell" for another 48 hours.
I will keep you posted.
Miky

[sasparilla]

One more stim day.  I am sooo uncomfortable.. my RE is tryin to kill me.  E2 is up a bunch more, follicles are big ( 9 ranging from 15-22).. but I guess not big enough.. grrrrr... I feel so c+r+a+p+p+y today. Im happy but real grouchy.. I want these things OUT!

[Jen7900]

Hi All...

Just wanted to check in and WOWZERS was there a lot to read!

Sally - YOU GO GIRRRRRRLLLLL (snap snap - neck extension)!!!! Way to stay positive and pull this cycle out of the toilet! I really hope that tomorrow is the last day and that you get some serious relief. I know the feeling, being bloated *****!

Miky - I'm so sorry to hear that you've started spotting. On the positive side, Helen (as she said) has been spotting for weeks and pretty much since the beginning. You never know...hang in there girlfriend.

As for me, my month off was extremely necessary. I've been working a ton and am traveling for the next couple of weeks starting on Wed. I'm off to the boonies first (Utica, NY) to visit my dearest friend who is pg, and then off to Scottsdale (AZ) to visit one of my oldest friends and my new G-D daughter, Camille, who was born on Tuesday. At the very least, there is spa appts in both states! I've also started acupuncture and did a detox diet for 10 days. I've lost 6 pounds and feel great! I can finally see my ankles again - the hormones gave me serious cankles! I have an appt with RE tomorrow to discuss the next step. I'm going to suggest taking one more month off since July is such a busy work month for me, but doing an antagonist protocol as soon as I get AF (mid July probably), that will likely result in an early August retrieval/transfer.

Has anyone ever tried the antagonist protocol? I think the pill flares my Crohns disease (not to mention I've just gotten attached to my new(er) ankles) so I'm gonna push to stay away from it.

Hope all is well with everyone else. I think of you all often...

XOXO
jen

[ashort]

HI girls...I used to chat with your guys a few months back...but I had stopped for a while.  Wondering if I can join in...been talking to Helen and Miky off and on.  

Sasparilla-  Wow, that's lot of follicles...sounds great!  I'm assuming your doing IVF??  Good luck to you!

Helen-  How are things going...any new news?

Miky-  I read your post about spotting...when is af due?  It could be implantation bleeding, right?

As for me I'm CD9.  I'm on 50 mg of clomid again this month.  RE wants to do another IUI.  He's hoping DH sperm count is up.  I'm trying to stay hopeful but he told me the chances are only 15-20%.  I'm wanting to know what is next...injectibles??...anybody have any ideas?  This is my 4th month on clomid...RE says I was not the problem last month it was DH low sperm count.  What comes after clomid?  Good luck ladies!!!

[Helen72]

Amy
injectables are more expensive but success rates are much higher relative to clomid.  First, you will probably have more follicles on injectables.  Also, your lining will be better.  Plus I read that there are some unexplained factors that make success rate with injectables higher than clomid.  Basically, in clinical trials researchers observe higher pregnancy rates but cannot explain exactly why.
I hope this helps,
Helen

[miky72]

Welcome back!!!
I'm happy to have you here again!
As you know I woke up today to bad surprise..
I'm going tomorrow to my RE for an early HCG test (originally I had to go on Tuesday)to find out what is going on with the spotting.

Jen:thanks for the encouragment...I'm really scared since this was the first symptom of my ectopic 18 months ago.

I'm off to bed and tomorrow morning to the RE.
I'll keep you posted.
Hugs,
Miky

[sasparilla]

Jen... youre back.. sweet!  Missed you, girl!  Thanks for the snaps.. you're righteous!  BTW.. I am currently on an antagonist cycle.. no BCP or Lupron, no suppression at all.  It pretty much rocks goin straight into stims.  And I am so frikkin jealous that you can see your feet. right now my BB's and my bellty are totally in the way.. eww.. gross.. I am making myself sick!

Ashort.. howdy.. seen you posting around.. good to meet ya!  I did 3 IUi's w/clomid then 1 round of injects.  But I am a poor responder with eggs like walnut shells, so Ill be doing AH with my IVF..  Good luck to ya!

Miky.. Thinking real positive thoughts for you!  I agree with jen.. spotting seems so commonplace w/IVF.. I really hope your bean is sticky sticky sticky.

Im gonna go beach myself somewhere until my appt. in the morning.  What is the sound that whales make?  I would totally be making it now.

[ashort]

Hi girls...thanks for the welcome.

Yeah, I wanted to do injectibles this month but b/c I just started seeing this RE last month...and he thinks I'm responding fine to the clomid (yeah, right).  He wants me on the clomid for another month.  He is very too the point...he listens but he doesn't go into detail.  I know with my last RE my lining was thin in the clomid but this RE didn't say anything about it being thin.  Wondering if insurance would cover injectibles??  I just feel like the more follicles the better my chances.  I've been having one...he thinks that's good enough....I guess I will know more about what's in store for my on the 20th when I go for my u/s.

Sasparilla-  Nice to meet you too.  Yeah, I have been on here a while over the last year.  I did 2 IUI's last month and I'm expecting to do 2 again this month...thinking maybe the 24th and 25th.  Good luck to you...looks like you have a lot of good follicles!!

miky-  The spotting could be a good thing.  I don't know anything about IVF...but maybe it's implantation...how many days post transfer are you?  Good luck tomorrow...keep us posted!  Praying for you!

Helen-  Glad to hear you are still **** well.  When do you go back again?  See my RE is so confusing.  I just keep thinking hte more follicles the better.  He thinks b/c I am o'ing on the clomid that's good enough....HELLO RE I'm not geting preg....LOL.  Maybe he will let me do injectibles next month...AGH....

Good luck everybody...heading off to bed!

[kele1129]

Sally- Rock on with you and your bad self! I knew those ovaries would pull through!

Miky-Keep the faith.  I know it is easier said than done....

Here I am day 5 post transfer and I have such mixed thoughts. It is so hard to believe that we might be pregnant that I can't seem to accept it as a possibility. My Dad has been visiting, hence my disappearing act. The 24th is so far away....I just want to know if this worked or not.

[kp1212]

Morning girls!

Hi Amy!  Welcome back!  We messaged back and forth a couple of times a few months ago (actually about our pups!).  How's your doggy?!?

Sal, Watch "Free Willy" today.  It will totally tell you how to sound like a whale.  Ha!  :-)

Jen, Sooo glad to hear from you girl!!!  Missed you!  I am also taking the month (maybe two) off.  I went on a diet too, and so far, I am also down 6 pounds!  Only 14 more to go!  Arrrrgggghhh!!  

Miky, Keep your chin up!  ;-)  We are all pulling for you.

Helen, are you still spotting?  Geez, not fun.  How far along are you now?!?

Off to work for the day.  Have a good one,

Krista

[miky72]

I'm back from the RE.
She draw blood.
She told me that she will ask only for HCG so we do not need to wait too long for the results.
Now I'm waiting....

[miky72]

I do not have good news...My RE just called and the Beta is 17.
Its really low even at 3 weeks 6 days.I know its not going to be good.I was there already.Its always my story:i get pregnant either in the wrong place or with the wrong embryo.
I just hope its not another ectopic.

[alaskacouple]

Goodness gracious... I go away for an extended weekend, and I miss sooooooo much! Sorry girls if I have been mia....  :-)

Milky - sorry to hear about your low number, but it is still early!  When do you get to retest?

Sal - great news on the follies!!!  Good luck on your retrieval!!  Thinking lots and lots of great eggs!!

Helen - Good Morning!  How are you doing?

Juana - Hellooooooooooo!!!!!!!!  Getting excited yet about FET?  ;-)

[Juana824]

Hello everyone...

Well as of today NO AF!!! I have been on Lupron since June 6th. I am going nuts...I am moody because I am having AF symptons...I even snapped my husbands head off on yesterday and had to apologize this morning. LOL I don't even drink, but i feel like  I need one!!! Then to top it all off...THE CELTICS LOST!!!

[alaskacouple]

UPDATE....

Seems I am allergic to PIO when having to inject so much... 2ml! OUCH!  After only 3 shots, my rear is red, swollen, and itchy!  I feel like one of those baboons with the red butt - walking around scratching and rubbing my backside!

My Dr. has prescribed a different base oil for me.... thank goodness!  I can't even sit all the way back in a chair because it hurts so bad!

[Helen72]

Juana,
may be your bad mood last night means that AF is approaching???  I know how frustrating it can be when AF is MIA.  I hope it comes for you soon so that you can move on with your cycle.

Samantha,
glad you are getting a substitute.  I hope it treats you better.

[kele1129]

Gah! I wish progesterone didn't mock pregnancy symptoms....the next 8 days are going to kill me.....

[Asking4aMiracle]

There's the clan, so much to read up on.....GO SALLY dang girl!! you tell em!!

WB Jen!! glad to hear things are better for you!!

Miky, its still early, keep the faith girly!! were all here either way!! *HUGS*

Kele, i know what you mean about the next 8 days, thats my next ultrasound, i will be able to see heartbeats, i pray there are some!! cant wait to hear your BFP!!

Helen, im taking it that even though its been rough, things are still good, im so happy to see that!!

alaska, that *****, hope the new rx is better on your behind!! =)

and for the rest of you, which there are a lot of you, theres too much to read up to update!! our sisterhood is growing like crazy!! WONDERFUL!! i hope you are all doing well and getting what you need, Juana, Magda, krista, rghkah!!

talk to you all soon!! Take care!!

[Juana824]

Helen - i hope that is what the case is. I am running to the restroom every 20 min because i feel yucky, but there is nothing there!!

[sasparilla]

woaaah.. we have all been hanging out too much.. we're all having AF symptoms together.. Go Cranky girls, GO!  Could you imagine us all in a room together commiserating and some poor schlub walks in and interrupts us talking.. we may just kill him!

Alaska.... sorry about the PIO shots.. but you did make me giggle.. thinking about your itchy butt.  Wanna come rub my bruised bloated belly?  Cuz it's so HOT.. I am on fire with my sexiness right now.

Juana.. You tell him!  It's all his fault as far as i'm concerned.  Even if he just gave you a funny look.. he's gonna have to pay!  heeheeee

helen.. How are you doing?  As always, thanks for the sweet notes!

Miky.. Its still early.  you stop that right this instant!  Spotting doesn't mean squat at this point.  Give your beta a chance to grow.

Krista.. Up yours! (ROFL)  You wanna piece of me.. b/c now that you lost some weight i can totally just lay on top of you and smother you to death.  Don't take me on.. I got all kinds of tricks up my fat rolls!

Magda.. We are on the exact same schedule.. yay!!!!!!!  Our spider eggs will all be layed on the same daay!

kele.. Maybe you should start pranking people.. just for laughs.  Good times, good times.  It'll get your mind off of stuff.  BTW.. I am totally rockin on!



And yes, I AM CRANKY TOO!  I know its the hormones and maybe because I am officially saturated with Estrogen.. yah!!!! E2; Went over 2000 mark today.  Trigger tonight, ER on Wed. morning.  And the day started off with a HORRIBLE appt. w/ an RE from my practice that i had never met.  He is the devil and I threated to file a complaint if he ever touched me again.  he measured everything wrong, wouldn't tell me exact numbers, and the proceeded to scold me about asking about the number of follicles. He was a condescending, disrepectful, "could have cared less" JERK!  So.. I drove to the other office my RE has and saw my original one.. and yes, my good RE's  measurments were correct and everything is ok now.  

And I just want you all to know that my DH is a total 10 year old boy.  He lit a fart on fire last night and caught his pants on fire.  Yes.. I am married to a complete child.
Im not mad at him anymore.. but I was last night and I actually hesitated a little when his butt was on fire.. hee hee.. just enough to make him look at me like I was a psycho.  It was fun!  I deserve it for falling in love with a tattoo artist.

Sally

[alaskacouple]

Sally....  :-D

wouldn't we make a perfect pair - me scratching my backside and you rubbing your poor bruised belly....

I believe men never grow up.  You give your dh credit by making him 10 - I think mine is about 5!

As for the Jerk at the clinic - did you give him a piece of your mind?  I would have told him where to go, and where he could shove the ultrasound probe!!!  I've got your back girlfriend!  CRANKINESS RULES!!!  

:-D  :-D

[miky72]

Sally,
you are the first person that made me laugh today!!!!!
I could imagine your DH and ITS SOOOOOO FUNNY!!!!!
I'm glad you are going to retrieval despite the different JERKS that predicted otherwise!!!
WAY TO GO!!!

Kele :I hear you about progesterone..its awful during 2ww!!!it make you think weird stuff..ARRRGH

As for me,I know you are trying to be positive but really girls..I was here already and I always get very low betas that are never a good sign.
At this point to tell you the truth I would prefer to get a zero on Wednesday so I can go ahead and start a new cycle than waiting for something that I KNOW its not going to turn out to be good.
I'm trying to be sincere here and tell you how I feel but thank you for all the encouraging posts.
Love you all!

[Juana824]

Sally - I have to agree...that is too funny about your DH...Maybe he was doing that to cheer you up?? Also, did you report the dumb a** doc??? He shouldn't even be  praticing..They never think about the patients and what we are going through emotionally...

Miky72 - I am prayingfor you. I admire your strength.

Kele - Best Of luck..I am prayig for a BFP for you.

Magda and Sally - Good luck on your ET...I can't wait to hear news of your BFPs..

Samantha - Ice it out!!! LOL

Helen - I see your comments on other posts and just have to say that you are going to be an excellent mom!! You have a kindness about you that is beyond words! I pray you are lifted from bedrest soon and have a healthy normal pregnancy!!!

Amberlee - The sisterhood is growing by leaps and bounds...

Everyone - I look forward to chatting with you all each day...even though I may not send a message specifically to each person, you are all always in my thoughts and prayers!!!

Okay, I am getting mushy (damn hormones), so before i begin to get really sentimental, I am goin gto get som sleep!

Love you guys!
Tijuana

[Jen7900]

Sally - that is SO funny!! I just picked up DH from his tattoo place (over an hour away in LA traffic), only to find him totally doped up on darvisette that he stole from me...serves him right to feel like the room is spinning! What a dumba&&!!

Juana - you are so sweet. I too get sentimental when I think of this amazing group of women...this experiene is so much more tolerable because of them - i know what you mean. But girl, I am a true and true LAKERS fan - very sad since this household is very somber these days. I probably have a greater chance of getting a BFP trying naturally than the Lakers winning tomorrow nite - so sad :(

Alaska (sorry, i don't know your real name) - The PIO shots nearly killed me! I'm actually in physical therapy now because my lower back muscles are totally spasming! I have almost no sensation down there now and I've got knots of scar tissue lining my entire lower back - ugh -m another reason why I am taking a bit of time off. Hang in there girl. Try using a heating pad right after the shots, it helped me tons.

Miky - I will be thinking about you til we get some news. It ain't over til its over.

Krista - I too am down 6 pounds and only have 14 more to go...you go girl!!

Amberlee - glad to see everything is still going well...congrats on the twins!!

Helen - thanks for the note - I miss you!! And yes, the spa appts will make the experiences much more do-able :) But I am really excited to visit nonetheless.

As for me, I saw the RE today and he agreed to go with the antagonist or "flare" (and i don't mean TGIF buttons) protocol. I've asked to take another month off so we will start everything up again mid-July and likely have retreival and transfer sometime in early August. I'm just glad I avoided the BCP - quite honestly, I'm too in love with my new ankles to give them up so soon :)

Hope you guys have a fab day. I'll be traveling for the next couple of weeks but will check in periodically.

MUAH!!

[sasparilla]

Just a note... was figuring out last night in a note to Krista and I actually spent around 9k on all my meds this cycle.  Yep.. you heard that right.  What BS! All that $$ for menopausal urine.. sheesh, I could have called my aunt and had her save her pp.

[miky72]

Sally...YOU CRACK ME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANKS for being such a fantastic girl!

[kp1212]

Good morning all,

In light of the fact that my own eggs seem to be rotten, I have decided to buy some eggs.  I even got to meet the donor and changed my picture so that you all could see her.

Well, what do you think?  Isn't she a beaut?  She's gonna make me some lovely eggs, I just know it.

Krista

[kele1129]

Sally- You always put a smile on my face.

While I cringe to hear you ladies talk about the progesterone shots (owie owie ow) I am so sick of feeling like I have drenched myself with the stupid progesterone supps. Granted DH thinks it's a riot when I realize that the stupid blankity blank supp has slipped out and I run up to the bathroom to be ever so sexy with myself.

I am concerned as I have had no cramping at all during this 2ww, other than sore bb's and mood swings from hell I have no symptoms of anything...I am so scared that this failed....ladies please give me hope.

[miky72]

Krista,
I think your donor is wonderful ;-))) and I do think that with the Antagonist protocol this is all you will need!!!!!!

Kele:do nto worry about symptoms.they are really not a good sign of pregnancy.I know Monday seems a year away but when you'll get you BFP everything will look great!

Sally,I'll be thinking about you tomorrow...best thing of IVF is the "happy juice" they give you with the anesthesia before the retrieval!!!

[sasparilla]

Krista.. your chickies will be so lovely.. do you think they'll have a waddle?

[magda_s]

Miky, I am SO sorry for what you're going through.  Like everyone else, I hope you're wrong and it's nothing but I know where you're coming from as the same happened to me and all I could think was that I wanted it over.  The hoping when I just knew it was over was awful.
I truly hope I feel like an idiot for saying any of this and you get to tell everyone else that they were right but if not, I'm praying that this is over quickly and you can go ahead with the next try.

Amy, I used to see your posts but we never actuall ymet either... good to meet you!

Jen!  How the hell did you lose SIX pounds in TEN days!?!?!?!  And can I please have the diet????
Hope you enjoy the visits with your girlfriends.
By the way, the PIO shots did that to your lower back??? HOW??

Krista, were the 6 pounds you lost also in 10 days!?!?!?!  What's with you people and HOW are you doing it???
And yes, BRILLIANT donor!!  Your little one will be gorgeous.  They always say that mixed races are the best looking!

Kele, I'm wishing you the best of luck on the 24th.  I'm sure if feel aeons away but it will come, I promise!!

Juanna, thanks for the good wishes...

Sally, I almost feel sorry for the jerk doctor.  
Nah!  That's SUCH a lie!!!
But you really are on a roll aren't you... you cracke dme up with the story about DH and your aunt's pee!!!!
16 hours to retrieval!!!
How many for you??

[miky72]

Magda,
thank you!
I know you understand how I feel.At least this time I have a RE that REALLY cares for me !!!
16 hours to retrieval this is soooo exciting!!!!!
Let us know how it goes and enjoy anesthesia!!!! ;-)
Miky

[alaskacouple]

Ladies!
Just a heads up....  I will be out of touch starting tomorrow at noon Alaska time for our snow angel transfer - lets hope at least 3 of the 5 survive the thaw.
We have to drive 3 hours to our Dr.'s office, and we do not have a laptop anymore.  We will be staying with friends, and am not sure if they have a computer.......

Sal - you are so funny! Thanks for always making us laugh!  Good luck in advance on the retrievial... love the happy juice - better living thru pharmaceuticals!!!!  

Jen - yes the PIO shots are killers!  The good thing is I am doing acupuncture and she makes sure to target the lower back area.

Krista - love the donor!  I bet she could make twins (double yokes)! Also, talk about not sleeping through the night anymore - they will get you up at sunrise! :-D

Tijuana - any news on AF yet? She better show soon, or the rest of us will gang up on her and open a can of whoop a$$!!!  As for the icing out... I have a poll going on right now - ice on one cheek, heat on the other... hmmmm which one will serve me better. If I am not careful, I could create my own tornado with a little toot!

Kele - don't worry too much about having no symptoms - with all the different meds its hard to tell what is what... symptoms or side effects. Best of luck to you on your upcoming test!!!

Magda - sending lots of egg wishes your way!  Good luck with your upcoming retrieval!

As always, sending all my prayers and best wishes to all the gal pals out there!!

Samantha Jones (yes Jones - as in SATC)

[Helen72]

Kele,
you have more symptoms than myself during your tww since I had no mood swings and my bbs weren't at all sore (they still aren't).  I think that prego symptoms that many ladies report during 2ww are due to progesterone and/or stress.  Most people don't have prego signs till they hit 7 weeks.  

Sally,
best of luck on your retrieval!!  Hoping for some good looking embryos with a sense of humor.  
p.s. Showed my dh the fart accident story you posted and he is determined to try it out.

Magda,
I am hoping for a better fertilization report for you this time.  I know how stressful this is since you have no control over anything but I just hope you get lucky this time.  


Jen,
congrats on your diet!!   I hope you give your body a rest before mid-July.  I hope the new protocol will be less stressful for you than the last.  

[sasparilla]

Less than 12 hours to ER and of course Im convinced Im gonna O beforehand. I feel like a giant tick ready to pop.. cant get comfortable no matter what position.  ack.....

[miky72]

Sally,
don't worry with all the medication you took your body is not anymore in charge so you will ovulate exactly when the planned to!!
Good luck tomorrow!

[kp1212]

Sally and Magda...GOOD LUCK today on the retrievals!  Can't wait to hear how many AGP eggies are sitting in petri dishes across the world waiting for their big transfer!!!

Sam, GOOD LUCK to you as well!  Big day!  Keep us posted as soon as you can!  

Miky,  Been thinking tons about you...just so you know. ;-)

Kele, Hang in there girl!  Only a few more days till you get your +++!!!  

Juana, Oh where or where has AF gone?  Oh where or where can she be?!?

Helen, You are always so thoughtful asking about everyone else---how are YOU doing?

Jen, So glad you were reunited with your ankles.  I haven't quite found mine yet, but I am getting there...

As for me, DH and I are attending a seminar tomorrow night on DEs.  Not sure what my next step is going to be, but at least I will have more information so that I can make the best decision.

Krista

[miky72]

Krista:
thanks a lot!!!! I'm back from my RE office now waiting for the results..ideally they would be either more than 100 (very unlikely)or 0 (i'm not sure about this either since I took a pregnancy test and it shows 2 lines..)so I know the results will not be what I want even though at this time I will be happy with a negative so I can go ahead with the next cycle!!!
You know since this whole IVF thing started I questioned myself how far would I go to get a baby (I would actually love 2 !!!!) and I found myself open to anything including sperm or egg donor.I know it must be difficult but I think that I would be ok with it for the happiness of a family.
let me know how the seminar goes!
I'll keep you posted,
miky

[Juana824]

AF FINALLY ARRIVED!!! Now she is kicking my AZZ for complaining about her!!!

[miky72]

GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so happy now you can go ahead with your cycle!!!

[sasparilla]

13 follicles, and 11 eggs.  YES!!!!!!!!
And he wanted to cancel. sheesh
Whole procees was easy.. very nice place.
Im sleepy and sore.  Gotta go eat my bologna sammich.

Good luck Miky!!!!!!

[miky72]

Sally YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so so so happy for you!!!!
Now relax and we will all send positive vibes to your little ones!!

As for me no good news my HCG today was 28 so my RE thinks it is a chemical pregnancy.
She cannot rule out yet the ectopic but I have to stop the progesterone and hopefully I'll get AF by the beginning of next week.if not she will have to check for ectopic.
I'm feeling OK, I have a follow up appointment with her on Friday to see were we go now and to also draw blood to make sure my levels are going down.
I really hope that is a chemical and not an ectopic so I'm prayng for my levels to go down quickly.

Hugs to all and thanks again for all the support!!

[magda_s]

OHMYGOD...OHMYGOD... Sally... SO SO SO SO happy for you!!  will send you a pm in just a minute.

Miky, happy as I am for Sally, I am equally sorry that this cycle had to go this way for you.  But I hope it isn't ectopic and that it will be over quickly so you can get right back in there.

Krista, thanks for the well wishes.  I hope you get some positive feelings from the seminar.

Juana, congrats on AF arriving... Too bad she's ina lousy mood.  I hope she relaxes soon.

As for me... we got nineteen eggs!!  That's right!  The other day he said there were between 12 and 18 follicles and now I have 19 eggs!!  which is pretty good considering that when I had 30+ follicles, I only ende dup with 20 eggs... give or take.  So now I'm just praying that I get a better fertilisation rate than we have done previously so I stand half a chnace of having something worth freezing.  Hopefully I won't need any snow-embies but, for once, it would be nice to have them... just in case.

Okay Sally... here we go... round 2 of hoping all goes well!  Frankly, I don't care how it goes so long as I hit a home run in round 3!

[miky72]

Magda thank you !
19 eggs is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You and Sally are doing a great job!
When are they going to call you with fertilization?Tomorrow?
Keep us posted and try to relax a bit!
SSSSSBD,
Miky

[Juana824]

Magda/Sally - Amazing! The both of you must have given your ovaries a good talking to before retrieval!!! Looking forward to hearing nothing but good things in the coming days!

Miky - I too am sorry for what is  happening with you. We love you and you already know that we are here if you need us!

[magda_s]

Thank you ladies.  I just hope things continue to go well.  
I don't seem to have a problem getting a decent number of eggs and good quality embryos... I just don't seem to be able to keep them!  I was only worried about the number this time because unlike my previous doctor, this one doesn't believe in going for too many follicles and I desperately want to be able to freeze something if at all possible just so I don't have to go through the entire process a FIFTH time (if there is a fifth time!!  here's hoping there won't be)
Anyway, I have to call tomorrow at 1pm so I guess that's to give me the first report on the embies.
Sally, what about you?

[magda_s]

I keep forgetting to tell you... I LOVE the new photo!  I have a few like that from here as well as Thailand.  If I can dig them up, I'll post them for you!

[sasparilla]

Yah Magda!  19 eggs, you big stud muffin.   They didn't tell me when they'll be calling about fert. report.  But I do have to go to my RE's b/c my IVF nurse gave me a bunch of free drugs at my last appt. in case I had any more extra stim days, so I want to return them.  Maybe by the time I get there they will have some news (good I hope)

Miky.. I am so sorry hun.  That s*u*c*k*s!  What do you think your RE is going to say?  {{{{{{BIG HUGS}}}}}}}}

Juana.. Yea for AF!  Thank goodness your wait is over.. let's get goin with that FET!

Helen.. Once again.. you are so darn sweet.. I would love to be your student.. bet youre an awesome teach!

Samantha.. Please KUP on your frosties!!!!

Krista.. Don't go buying any checky eggs yet.. Im tellin ya.. if I can do it after 13 days of stims, you can to!!!!!!!!  I think this new protocol is gonna be a good one.

AFM.. I gots me some crampage out the wazzo.  I'm pretty sure they had to do some real mauervering (sp. wrong, I know) to get to my left ovary cuz it's nasty painful.  BUT.. the place where I had it done was so awesome.  It is a stand alone building that was built just for IVF a year ago.  My RE's office shares it with one other Dr's group n Philadelphia.. it was so pretty  and feminine.  They take you back to your own little living room and give you the booties, cap, etc.. and then bring you a warm blankey for your lap while you wait on the couch till they come get you.  There was only me and one other woman there today and everyone was so super nice.  Wish all sugi/hospitals were like that.  They even had CHEETO'S and organic apple juice for when I woke up.  
Well, I am off to go take all my steropids and antibiotics for the night.
L8ter, Sk8ters

PS.. jen. Rgh, ashort, .. how they hangin, girls?

[kp1212]

Miky, I'm really sorry about this cycle.  You and I started this cycle about the same time but no luck for either of us.  So, now we lick our wounds, have a couple drinks, and decide our next move...together!  :-)  

Sal & Magda, You both rock!  To think of the eggies and swimmers out there making you two a baby right now is pretty freakin' cool.  I love it!

Juana, Kick AF's A*S*S, seabass!!!

Let's all keep our fingers crossed that there is magic happening in those petri dishes for Magda and Sally!!!  

xoxo,

Krista

[ashort]

Miky-  I'm sooooo sorry about your news.  My thoughts and prayers are with you!

[magda_s]

Krista thanks SO much for your good wishes.  

Sally... ooofff... are you STILL cramping???  I've never had it this bad.
Oh and the place you went to sounds a s*h*i*t load better than where I go!!!!  Where I go, DH isn't allowed anywhere near me because being Syria, it's women only.  So you come out of the anesthetic and there you are alone, on basically a gurney rather than a bed, in a curtained off bit of a room that's about 7 x 4 feet!!  And for some reason the friend of this other woman kept pulling the curtain back and looking at me and not saying anything.  Eventually when I was awake enough, i managed a "hello" and she just smiled inanely then babbled something in Arabic that I didn't understand and when I told her I didn't understand they both just stared at me a while longer and eventually let the curtain go!!!!  I felt like some strange animal in a zoo!!!l

[sasparilla]

Magda.. I am still cramping, but not like yesterday.  Yesterday I felt like my ovaries had been poked with needles (LOL).. today they just feel like someone is squeezing the tightly.  I was able to get up and go to the store first thing, so I guess everything is better.  Now Im just sitting here wishing I could call them at 6:30 am for a fert. report.  IVF is such a test of my patience.
PS.. Really, all I want from my day is to poop.. just thought you guys should know!

[magda_s]

OMG... LOL... Let me tell you, I have been feeling like s*h*i*t all day.  Stomach cramping badly and like yesterday, I couldn't stand straight for the pain.  Eventually I couldn't even sit up so I went to have a bit of a lie down until I felt better and about 10 or 15 minutes, all of a sudden I felt so much worse.  I felt dizzy and nauseous and like I was going to pass out.  I rang my doctor (who I was supposed to ring then anyway) and the secretary says I'm to call back in an hour so I explained that I was feeling dizzy and like I was going to faint at any second so she tells me to hold on.  Then I hear her speaking with someone in Arabic and I can understand and it's NOTHING to do with me or how I feel.  She finally comes back and tells me to take a couple of panadol.  I'd have laughed if I wasn't feeling so sick and so freaked out.  I repeated that I ws going to FAINT! And she says she can't tell me anything else without speaking with the doctor and he's in surgery.  At this point I'm surprised to find I'm feeling still worse so I just say, "Great... I'm going to emergency."
I ring DH and he calms me down on the phone and I actually feel a touch better so I tell him I'm going to give it another 15 minutes or so and see how I feel.
Then, guess what I did that made me feel all better??
I pooped!
Can I tell you how frigging stupid I feel???
So what is it?  Is it the anesthesia that messes up our insides???
I've also been burping ever since yesterday and that's so not like me!!!
(isn't it great how much we all share with one another!?!?!  hee hee...)

[sasparilla]

OMG.. I just pooped too!  And let me tell you.. it hurt my ovaries really bad.. but now I fell better too!  Ha.. we're on the same poop schedule too!
LOLOLOLOL

[magda_s]

OMG... stop!  It hurts to laugh!!!
ooofff... I have to go lie down.  I still feel dizzy.  
What a pair we make!!!

[magda_s]

don't you feel honoured that Sally and I are allowing you all to bear witness to this little ocnversation as opposed to keeping it to ourselves in discreet pm's??????? (hee hee)

[miky72]

YOU 2 ARE TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!
I felt a little depressed this morning so I indulged myself and bought a Bavarian creme doughnut...when I read your post I laughed so  loud that now I have sugar all over me!!!!!
THANKS! ;-)

[kp1212]

In honor of Magda and Sally, I am going to the bathroom to have a big poop!  (hee hee)

[magda_s]

HA HA HA HA... OMG.. I think have to stay away from the forum for a bit... everything hurts so much and here I was thinking that nap had actually done me good then I read Miky's post and I'm hanging onto my belly with tears coming down my face picturing you with this frigging Bavarian creme doughnut about to go into your mouth as you burst out laughing.
Krista... I hope it was a good poop!!

[kele1129]

Magda and Sally- I totally understand the want of a good poo. Especially the first few days after the transfer, I was so afraid to push at all...gah!

Miky-I am so sorry muffin for all of the stress and annoyance. You would think that this whole fertility science **** (hmm poop theme) could be an exact science.

I am finally able to wear pants! With a belt! And I don't have to unbutton any buttons to sit down! BB's are still sore, my mouth is constantly filled with saliva, no cramping, and 5 more days to go for the beta.

My DH has been working at IBM and there have been rumors of a 1,000 person lay-off, so he went out and applied for a few jobs here and there and guess what? He got a job with the Magic Hat brewing company. Here in Vermont it is one of the favorite beers...we find it hilarious that I work in a tobacco shop and he will now make beer. What wonderful paychecks to raise children with, ciggies and beer. lol. We have both been smoke free since day 1 of Lupron and neither of us drink. One of his job benefits is a CASE of beer a week...what on earth are we to do with that?

Well I hope that everyone has a lovely day filled with good poo's, sugary donuts and pain-free laughter.

[Juana824]

Hello all! Just came back from baseline appt...Good and not so good but works out just fine news...
The not so good news - my uterine linig is too thick so I can't start progestrone just yet...because of this, everything has been pushed back four days.

This is just fine, because now my travel plans for the July 4th weekend won't be interupted with testing and appoints.

The good news - My FET is set for July 14th!!! I am so excited! I fell in my gut that this is going to be it! I am praying that this is it!!

Madga/Sally - I totally understand! When I had my first retrieval, I had bad cramping the moment I got in the car and tossed cookies all the way home in a plastic bag!!! when I got home, I had to poop sooo bad and when i finally did my DH did not use our bathroom for a couple of hours...its the anesthisia...it feels goood when they give it to you and its a pain to get out of your system...Magda,it's also funny the lady was looking at you...maybe you were exposed and she wanted to see what you were working with...LOL

[sasparilla]

Hey Ladies...
Y'all are cracking me up!! Miky.. I wish I had a pic. of you and your donuht debacle.
MMmmmm... donuts.. any of you ever see the Simpsons episode where Homer went to get the free topping at Apu's donut shop and he put gummy bears, pretrzels, sprinkels, and all kinds os weird stuff on it?  Well, it was funny.. really, truly good times.  

I have my fert. report.... heeheee

11 eggs, all 11 were mature and 9 fertilized. And of the 9, every single one is in the "correct stage of development for today".  Woo hooooooooooooo.. wooo hooooo.

magda.. Did you get your report yet??? Telll meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[kp1212]

Yeah Tijuana!!!  July 14th it is!

Krista

p.s.  Kele--If I had a case of beer a week, I would be drunk and fat.  Instead, I am just fat.  :-)  bummer.

[sasparilla]

oh yeah.. they all fertilized naturally. no ICSI

[Helen72]

Congrats!  That's the best fertilization report I ever heard!

[miky72]

Sally:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe I should eat more doughnut ..It seems to bring good luck!
My next cycle I will have one every day ;-)

Juana:I'm sorry you cannot start yet but it looks like its for the best.

Love to all,

Miky

[sasparilla]

Thanks Ladies.. I am just so tickled.. I was jusy sitting here being a spaz and I drank my water too fast, it went down the wrong pipe.. so I coughed, it went out my nose and I peed myself at the same time.  Not even joking!  I am so gross!
Kele.. How much for a carton of smokes and a keg o beer?  You hook me up? LOLOLOL

[Juana824]

Sally  - YOU ARE PRICELESS!!!!!

I am so happy about your report!! You done good lady, you done real good!!! When will you transfer?

Krista - thanks...it can't get here fast enough, but I am going to relax and be patient (yeah right)

Miky - Thanks, but I am okay with it, suprisingly, it gives me a moment to enjoy the holiday without stressing...

I also forgot to tell you all - I lost 9lbs!! I stop drinking soda, eating sweets and chips...I also walk 2.5 miles everyday and even got a little adventrous and jogged (okay it was really a trot and it was only for a minute, I AIN'T CRAZY!!!) LOL

[kp1212]

LOL Tijuana!!!  :-)

Sally...OMG OMG OMG!!!  You are like Wonder Woman or something!  Will you come pick me up in your invisible jet so we can go cruisin' for the bad guys!  I want to use the lasso...please?!?

Magda...we are waiting with baited breath for your report!

Going to that DE seminar tonight...will tell you all about it tomorrow!  

Krista

[magda_s]

OMG.. with all the poop talk, I totally forgot about the fertilisation report.

First, Sally... that's a BRILLIANT report.

Mine is 13 eggs of 19 fertilised but that's all I know so far.

Miky, please keep eating them doughnuts!!!!!

ooofff... but I still feel like c*r*a*p (would they censor that???)
Juanna, I'm glad you said because I figured it must be the anesthesia that does this but still... my case seems a bit extreme!

Krista, like I said before, I hope the seminar leaves you with some positive feelings.

[Juana824]

I need to VENT!!

I just got off the phone with the nurse from the fertility clinic. Now I love the place that I am going to and up until now, I haven't had any issues..but i want to go and strangle the Witch!!! There seems to be some confusion with my progestrone perscription. My Re initially told me that i would be doing both the PIO and the vaginal suppostories. When I got my meds, no PIO. So I called and this broad keeps telling me that they ordered them and I should have them. AM I STUPID?? If I had them, why the hell would I be calling you?...so i called the pharmacy..they have no record of it...I waited until my appointment today to speak to the other nurse. She sees it in my chart bu says maybe the doctor changed his mind...sent a note to my nurse..she calls and is talking to me like I am the biggest idiot in the world, in this tone that makes me want to reach through the phone and choke the living daylights out of her....She is reordering the medecine. I asked to leave a mesaage with my RE to speak with him and she says he is on vacation, I inform her that i know this and would still like to leave a message and she was like I will tell him. I am so freaking mad right now, I CAN SCREAM!! I am trying not to get stressed, but sometimes I think thaey hire the worst people to work in these facilities!!! Iknow she's not going to deliver the message... i am thinking about writing a letter to him. If she talks to me like that, I am sure she talks to other patients llike that. It's not enough that we are here because of various issues, the last thing we need is twits in scrubs to talk to us like we are stupid...The worst is that we have been going to this place for the past year and have never received this type of treatment. This is a new nurse.

Okay...now I feel a little better...sorry for rambling... :o)

[Asking4aMiracle]

i miscarried one of my babies today

[miky72]

asking4aMiracle:I just read you other post.I'm so sorry I do not know what to say.
It must have been such a terrible thing.
I actually have a friend that had almost the same experience8actually she did not know she had twins so she assumed that she miscarried only to find out a month later that she was still pregnant)and her boy is 1 year old this month.
Take care of yourself and your little one.
We are here for you.

Juana: I hear you!
I changed doctor exactly for this reason I was so tired to be treated by nurses that were horrible to me and fake and wanted to be treated by a real doctor!!!
Don't let them do that they have no right to do so!

[sasparilla]

Amberlee.. I wrote on your other thread.. I am so sorry hun.  I'm sure youre scared.. stay strong.

[magda_s]

Amberlee, I'm SO sorry.  I can only begin to imagine how awful you must feel.  I'm not going to say you have to stay positive for the other baby... you need to mourn and you go right ahead and do that.  But don't forget that you do still have that other little one who needs his/her mummy...

Juanna, that sounds like a horrible experience but sadly an all-too-common one these days regardless of what industry we're talking about.  My DH and I try to put it down to cultural differences out here but even when I go back to Toronto, I find myself wanting to throttle a whole plethora of people from sales people in clothing stores, to doctors and nurses, to restaurant workers... It's just that much more emotionally charged when it's this particular industry.  You expect people to be a touch more sensitive!
I'm biting my tongue because I so don't want to say this as it's going to make me sound like my mother but... I just don't know what the world is coming too... I remember when... But seriously, don't you guys find yourselves feeling that way more and more??

[miky72]

Magda,
i agree with you 100%.
The thing that makes me crazy is that in this "industry" dr and nurses are becoming more and more insensitive and I think less professional.
I think they are less professional because DR are supposed to treat you according to your particular condition and body and not to leave it to nurses and protocol!!!!
I suffered so much at my previous clinic and I was fed up of this attitude!
Thank G-D my new RE is completely the opposite and really a great human being and Dr.
I'm off to the follow up appointment.I'll let you know how it goes.

[sasparilla]

I really agree w/you ladies!
Since this is my first offical RE I am seeing, I only have my Ob-Gyn to compare him to.. BUT.. he is tons better (but certainly not all-knowing) than my Ob.  My Ob NEVER referred me to an RE.. and I tried with him for over 2 years.. Clomid, IUI's, Lap, Myomectomy, D&C.. borderline FSH and not once did he tell me to see a specialist.  Had to figure that one out on my own.  Now my RE (as y'all know) did admittedly try and treat me like a spcific protocol/responder and I was like "NO WAY DUDE".. I actually told him last week "I am paying out of pocket.. I could choose any RE I want, so please treat me as a person, not a number".  But my IVF nurse is so awesome.. she has been doing this for 20 years and as far as Im concerned she's the main person at that office.. she is just lovely.. very motherly and supportive and shes constantly giving me little "hints".. wink and nod here and there as to how I am doing without really saying anything.  After I had to see that one RE partner that was so terrible, I asked her what I should do.. was I crazy or was this guy a real jerk?  She was very PC about it, but then said with emphasis "I think you should call the main RE, here is his cell phone number so you can call him immediately and talk to him about your experience"
So.. I can honestly say she is the main reason why I will stay with this RE.. I'm pretty much thinking that the RE is just there for ER & ET!

[Juana824]

I think so too, as a matter of fact, I have only seen the RE three or four times since we've begun. My other nurse was the same as your nurse Sally, but she moved on. She used to give me free meds, supplies and everything. I really miss her. This new little witch looks to be no more than 10 years old and acts like it too! She probably just got out of nursing school!!! I can't wait to see the RE again, I am going to let him know just how I feel.

[Juana824]

Oh yeah, Magda - Good luck on your transfer Saturday! Remember to keep your gown down afterwards in case your little voyeur is peeking around the curtain again! LOL

Sally - When is your transfer?

[magda_s]

Thanks all...
Sally... No second fert repport for me.
It's Friday today which is like Sunday in the western world.  In other words; it's the weekend!  :-(  
So I won't know anything until I go in tomorrow morning for my transfer!!!  Eeek...
17 more hours to go!
How about you?

[kp1212]

Magda,

I'm all a twitter for your transfer!!!

Sally, you too, of course!  Anymore news on your little babies?  When is the transfer?  I believe you said 3 days--any chance of a 5 day transfer?  

Both Magda and Sal, how many embies is the RE going to transfer?

Magda, I took the liberty of coming up with some names for Sally's embies, but since she doesn't need all of them, I will extend my genius to you...
1) Gertrude
2) Rosie (after my pup)
3) Grape Ape
4) Lolita
5) Fonzie
6) Linus
7) Gilbert
8) Krista (after me, of course)
9) Millie
10) Babe
11) Fraggle (I freakin' loved Fraggle Rock)
...and just in case you got a couple splitters in there and need
extra names for twins...
12) Egg
13) Flo

Sorry, Sally already chose Grape Ape and Fraggle!

:-) Krista

[sasparilla]

They just called with my fert. report.  And as much as I know about protocols and stims, I don't know squat about this whole area.. someone please let me know if it sounds good:
9 fert. eggs, day 2 of fert.
5 are 4 cells
3 are 2 cells
and 1 is just being a lump of nothing, but theyre keeping around in case its a slow grower

is this good? anyone?

My transfer is officially set at 9:30 tomorrow morning

[miky72]

Sally,
this is a very good fert report.
In particular the 5 that are 4 cell.
On day 3 (that is tomorrow)they are supposed to be 6-8 cell and yours are already 4!
Looks VERY good!
SSSSSSSSBD!!!

[magda_s]

YAY... 4-cell embryos on day two is good!!

[sasparilla]

whew.. thanks ladies.. when she called and told me I was suddenly confused.  I am such a little "miss know it all" , then she tells me all this info. and Im like.. "Uh.. ok.. is this good?"
Do the 2 cells usually end up growing as well?

[anxious2]

update....

They got 24 eggs yesterday and 16 fertilized

[kp1212]

Hi girls,

A couple of you have asked about the DE seminar that I attended last night.  Thanks so much for thinking of me.  You guys are too sweet!  Anyway, about the seminar...  It was ok, but frankly not a lot of information that I didn't already know from reading on their website (www.conceiveabilities.com).  The director and a couple other staff people were there presenting, and it was a really small group (2 couples, plus 3 women by themselves).  They talked alot about the emotional impact of infertility (duh--I think I got that figured out), and how DE is such a great option if you need it.  Talked alot about how difficult it is to give up the idea that your child is going to happen the "old fashioned way", or even with your own genes via IVF, but once you accept DE or adoption to build your family, it is as gratifying and special as having your "own" baby.  Some specifics were discussed like cost, time lines, etc.  The agency charges $5800 for their service, plus the donor gets $7000.  None of this is coverable by insurance--all cash up front.  And, of course, there is no "refund" if it doesn't work.  Success rate is ~60-65%.  Other costs include legal fees (for paperwork, etc.), cost of medical appointments, labs and tests for donor, cost of meds for donor, retrieval for donor and IVF costs for me (meds, appts, labs and transfer).  Holey moley is it expensive to get pregnant!  Thankfully, my DH's insurance has some fertility coverage, which covers both mine and a donor's medical fees.  My meds are covered at 80%, but not sure about the donor's meds.  It doesn't cover the cost to actually buy the egg, or pay the donor.  And, it takes about 3-4 months (once you choose a donor) to actually begin the IVF cycle.

I am thinking about getting a second opinion from a different RE.  Although I really think my RE is great and so experienced, it never hurts to get more information, right?  I am leaning on going for a third cycle with a different protocol, though would like to learn more about the different protocols that are being used for poor responders.  So much to think about---makes my head spin.

So that is what is going on with me!  Will keep you all posted, and in the meantime, if anyone has any information on "poor responder protocols", send it my way!

xoxo,

Krista

[kp1212]

Way to go Anxious!!!

Keep us posted!

[rghkah38]

Hi ladies,

I know it's been a little while since I was on this forum.  It looks like I am going to have to wait more months before I can transfer, which is fine.  I actually just got out of the hospital 2 days ago from complications with the retrival.  My body has been through a lot and I need time to rest.  I just wanted to let you ladies know that they did retrive 7 eggs and 6 fertilied and they are now frozen.   I wanted to wish all of you luck this cycle.

[kp1212]

rghkah,

Yikes!  Hospital?  What happened?  Great to hear that you have 6 frozen embies and are back home.  Hope you are feeling better!

Krista

[rghkah38]

Hi kp1212,

I actually came home from the retrival on Sunday and went upstairs to take a nap.  A few hours later I woke up with chest pains and shoulder pains.  I could hardly breath, so I told my DH to bring me to the hospital.  Thankgod the hospital is only 3 miles away from my house.  I went in they took my temp and blood presure and my blood presure was so low.  My Doctor that did the retrival was called from a doctor at the hospital and she told them that she wanted me to be tranfered to another hospital.  They told her that I was not stable and if I did get transferred over there I would not make it.  They did a cat scan that revealed I was losing a lot of blood.   To make a long story short I was bleeding from both ovaries, so they had to operate quickly.  They cut me open and cleaned me out while given me a blood transfusion.  They told me if I did not get to the hospital when I did I would not be here today.

I just want to say that I don't want to scare anyone in not going thru ivf.  This rarely happens.  I'm just glad to be here today.

[kp1212]

rghkah,
Just sent you a message...
So glad you are ok!
Take good care,
Krista

[sasparilla]

Holey cow rgh.. that is terrible!!! whos fault was that?? I know it wasn't yours.. so WTF?  I am so glad you are ok.  Do you have a clotting disorder or did someone poke too many holes in you?  WOW.. scarey scarey stuff.  So so glad you went straight to hospital!

[magda_s]

OMG... rghkah... that's just UN-believable!!  And I thought *I* had it bad with this indigestion or whatever the effing hell it is I have since retrieval!!!!!
Thank God you're okay!
I know you're probably not too pleased about having to wait but maybe just be thankful that you've got the time to wait and give yourself a break!  I think you deserve one!!

Krista, don't know how I missed your earlier post with the names!!  Umm... that was real nice and all but it's pretty clear that you're just having a laugh so I wasn't sure why you had Gertrude on the list.  I quite like Gertrude and it was on my list.
(hee hee... umm.. ok... I'll go away now)

Oh... not yet... just wanted to say that I'm sorry the seminar wasn't a bit more of an eye-opening "Oh wow... well that makes it all so much more attractive".  That was kind of the reaction to it that I was hoping for for you.  I think you're SO right to go for second opinions and check out other options... I just hope that the leg work won't get to you too much.  I hate having to do lots of leg work when I just want something DONE.

Sally... how many hours to go for you?  10 for me!!  And then DH leaves me all alone with my ridiculous inability to eat anything without making myself feel 1000 times worse!
Here's hoping I feel at least an eensy weensy bit better in the morning.

'night all

[magda_s]

OMG... rghkah... that's just UN-believable!!  And I thought *I* had it bad with this indigestion or whatever the effing hell it is I have since retrieval!!!!!
Thank God you're okay!
I know you're probably not too pleased about having to wait but maybe just be thankful that you've got the time to wait and give yourself a break!  I think you deserve one!!

Krista, don't know how I missed your earlier post with the names!!  Umm... that was real nice and all but it's pretty clear that you're just having a laugh so I wasn't sure why you had Gertrude on the list.  I quite like Gertrude and it was on my list.
(hee hee... umm.. ok... I'll go away now)

Oh... not yet... just wanted to say that I'm sorry the seminar wasn't a bit more of an eye-opening "Oh wow... well that makes it all so much more attractive".  That was kind of the reaction to it that I was hoping for for you.  I think you're SO right to go for second opinions and check out other options... I just hope that the leg work won't get to you too much.  I hate having to do lots of leg work when I just want something DONE.

Sally... how many hours to go for you?  10 for me!!  And then DH leaves me all alone with my ridiculous inability to eat anything without making myself feel 1000 times worse!
Here's hoping I feel at least an eensy weensy bit better in the morning.

'night all

[miky72]

rghkah I' m SO sorry for what you and DH went through ..It is very scary.
I hope you can relax a little now and take care of yourself preparing your body to receive your little ones!!

Krista:I'm sorry the seminar was not better but I learned that also because of this forum and what we learn from each other we are very prepared in comparison to other people...

Sally and Magda :I'm getting very excited for you!!!!!! Tons of baby dust to both of you!

I had my follow up appointment with my RE this morning:
bunch of good and bad news:
bad news:the cyst is back and that means that it was not a cyst but fluid around the tube that was ligated 2 years ago.She did not tell me but I know she thinks my previous RE messed up the laparoscopy because he did not take out the tube but only ligated.The good news is that it should not disturb implantation but it will prevent my left ovary to produce as many eggs as the right one.
good news:she thinks the prognosis is still good and we have to keep trying there is nothing else we can do.She said that she does not want to go to PGD because it make no sense in our case.
My HCG today was 42 from 28 but she hopes that since the progesterone dropped to 5 I will get my period soon and we can start a new cycle.

She gave me also one piece of information that I was not aware of.
Apparently there are studies that found out that "good responders" have very high estrogen levels and this can actually impact negatively the growth of the embryo!!!!

Sorry for being so long but I wanted to share with you all the news.

Hugs to all,
Miky

[kp1212]

Thanks Miky and Magda for the support!

Miky, THE CYST IS BACK?!?  D*a*m*n.  AGP will come together and will curse it away.  Ummmmm.... Ummmmm..... Ummmmmmm.... (better yet?)

Magda and Sally...GOOD LUCK tomorrow!!!

lots of lovin' to you both!  :-)

Krista

[magda_s]

Miky, I'm not sure I understand.  Does the HCG going up mean ectopic???  It doesn't sound that way.  IN fact, it sounds like you got a fair bit more good news than bad and the bad isn't insurmountable.
I hope that's the case anyway.

Thanks Miky and Krista for the good wishes.
I'm back from transfer and we went with 4 Type 1, 8-cell embryos a-a-a-a-a-a-and... we got to freeze 3 more of the same.

However, that said, I have spent all morning convincing myself that the only reason I went to see my doctor today was to have him check me out since my belly is still a mess.  That's all.  Nothing else happened htis morning and the next two weeks will be like any other two weeks.
I would much appreciate if you could help me maintain this fallacy!

Sally, it's only 5:30 your time so you have a few hours to go yet.  GOOD LUCK!!

magda

[sasparilla]

YA Magda.. YOU HAVE FROSTIES!!!!!!!  Thats so awesome. they do a 3 day freeze?  I dont think my place does that  :(   Congrats on your transfer.. I hope all 4 stick just out of spite! Haahaaa.. Seriously.. I know.. you just went in for a belly exam.. wink wink, nudge nudge.

Miky.. Im a little confused too.. could this be a late implanter?  Are you still taking your progesterone?  And man.. that dumb cyst is such a pain in the ovary!  Thnx for the info. on the "good responder'.. kinda makes me feel good considering I am not one.  I for one think you should double up on the progesterone.. tell em to stick it.


Rgh.. Im still a little freaked out by your horrific experience.  I need someone to blame here, so let me know so I can vilify them please! ( As of right now, I am looking to stone to death the RE that did your ER)


Krista.. Its weird that they would hold a seminar and not put all the fertile young girls up on an auction block  :P.  I would totally want to see their best merch.  I do totally think you should do another cycle and what about the mini-stim IVF.. or natural???  Also theres that estrogen priming that Ive read about.. looks promising!



Juana.. You getting excited about your cycle?? Its getting close, girl!


I just wanted to share this freaky story from another board: Theres a woman with PCOS doing IVF.. so you would think they would have a real low dose of FSH for her, right?  Well, she was on 300 IU, and she got 55 MF eggs!!!!!!!!!!!!  Here's her report:
"they froze 21 eggs right away, and then 12 of the eggs was done the conventional way and 8 made it to fertilization, the rest were done by icsi and 19 made it to fertilization of the 27 fertilized, they froze 14 embryos, so I have 13 to choose from at transfer they will call tommorrow to say if we are doing a 3 day or 5 day transfer."
Ok.. so out of the 55 she has 21 frozen eggs, 14 frozen embryos, 13 embies growin!!!!!

Doesnt that sound uh.. a big excessive?  Now Ive been stalking her posts to see if she ends up in the hospital b/c her Dr's. let her get that many eggs.  Its really freaky!!!!!


AFM.. I go in for my tranfer in 3 hours.  Its scheduled for 9:45.  I'll know then who/what/when/where/how/why they are transferring and if there's any left.  Funny thing is that the few people Ive told (that are not ART savvy) all say.. "oh.. then you freeze the rest, right"? Uh.. I WISH!  
Also forced DH to take me out for dinner last night and had delicious Buffalo steaks (yum).. then went to bookstore for me to buy my bi-weekly passel of books.  The mistake I made is looking in the bathroom mirror!! Holy COW (and I mean this literally)... I must have gained 10 lbs. of bloat this cycle.. and it aint OHSS.. its gross!!!!!!  If this cycle doesn't work Im going to fast for 2 months.

Ill check in with y'all later!
Sal

[kp1212]

Sally, What is the "mini-stim IVF"?  Also, I don't know too much about the "natural" thing.  What's the deal with that?  

It is now 9:40...five more minutes for you...

Magda, I hope the "belly check" was successful!  ha! ;-)

Have a good day girls,

Krista

[kele1129]

rghkah-I am so glad that you are ok and so sorry that you and DH had to go through that.

[sasparilla]

Hi everyone.. quick note, then back to bed rest so my nazi DH can yell at me everytime I move.

Just like Magda, but one less transferred today.
3 Type 1, 8- Celled transferred today.  I asked the embryologist for a pic and she said they don't take pics, but I could look up "perfect 8 celled embryo's from the internet and use those".. so sounds real good.. then I went immediately to acupuncture.

Ill check back in when I can.. when my warden falls asleep I'll steal the keys.

Sally

[Helen72]

Sally & Magda,
I am so happy you both are such great quality embryo producers!!  Your chances are much better than mine were with  5 & 6 cell grade 2-2.5 embryos.  I am praying for your BFPs!!!

Sally,
this one time obey your dh and rest up!!!

Kele,
good luck on your beta!!!  You are almost there!!

[magda_s]

Hey!! Been waiting to hear from you...
SO happy for you Sally.  And still in awe of the fact that here you are now with three perfect embryos and it would never have happened if you hadn't put your foot down!
oh that's classic about the picture!  
Yeah, let's all get on the internet and find a good picture of 8-cell embryos that we can use in our photo albums!!!  Pffff....

Sally, do me a favour... tell me what you were told in terms of rest.  My first doctor messed me up by saying I wasn't to move from bed for 4 to 5 days except to go to the loo.  The current one says just to take it easy but I've kind of lost perspective now/  I feel terrified of sitting up because they might "drop out" but then I think of people who get pregnant naturally every day... it's the same deal... they're embryos are just floating about for a few days prior to implantation and they don't even know so they're wandering about and going to work and all the rest of it... so why would it be any different?
DH left for Dubai this afternoon and before he left I had him bring me my lap top with an extension cord and we put a few bottles of water by the bed along with a bowl of fruit and bags of crisps, a couple of books and a few movies.  He even got me a rotisserie chicken so I wouldn't have to cook anything.  I can just grab a bit of cold chicken!
But really what IS the deal with the post-transfer days??  
Anyone??
I've harped on about this before but I'm still not sure.

[Helen72]

Magda,
my dr told me to take it easy.  He said that complete bed rest is not necessary since embryos canNOT drop out.  If you remember my case, I went to work the day after because I thought that was better than me sitting at home crying.  Jen received completely different instructions from her RE and she would not even drive in case the road was bumpy.  So, different REs gives different instructions.  In any case, try to pamper yourself as much as you can!!!

[magda_s]

Thanks Helen... yeah I guess I already knew that different doctors give different advice... and let me tell you, I was saying a prayer with every bump in the road on the way home from the hospital!!!  I guess I'm just trying to be a bit more relaxed this time and a bit more realistic too!!  I'm just afraid of doing the wrong thing.  But my doctor was telling me about how many people come out here for IVF from the UK and the States and that and they fly home the day after or even the day of the transfer.  I keep telling myself that me sitting up for a bit is nothing compared to them sitting up THROUGH TAKE OFF!
And I guess you're living proof that if it's meant to happen, it'll happen!!  :-)

[sasparilla]

Hi all..I have my stupid laptop now.  Ive tried to post twice and I keep touching te touchpad and it erases my post.. grrrrrrrr

Yah magda!!!!!!  My RE said 24 hour bed rest followed by 48 hrs. of nothing strenuous. I am already going crazy. DH is literally staring at me and won't leave me alone.
I forgot to mention I have 5 more embies still growing at the lab.  4 Type 1 sized 5-8 cells and 1 Type 2 5-cell.  Im not counting on them making to freeze, but it would be nice.


My transfer was actually a bit of a nightmare.. I have a crook/crimp in my cervix and of course he couldnt get the catheter in my uterus past the crook.  He dug around for about 15 painful mintes till finally he got it in.  It hurt real bad.  And now Im spotting and crampy and convinced Im going to spot out my embies.  He told me the spotting was from my cervix not my uterus, but Im still worried.

thas about it for now.. Magda.. whens your beta?  I have boosters of HCG so I cant POAS.. :(

[kp1212]

Hi magda, My RE told me bedrest isn't necessary, just taking it easy the day of the transfer.  I, too, have heard different, but never bedrest for more than 3 days.  I would love to lay around for 3-4 days, but probably after 1/2 day I would be going crazy!  

Magda and Sally,  It's so cool that you two are on the exact same schedule!!!  So much luck to you both!!!

Miky and I were on the same schedule, too, but it didn't go our way THIS time.  But, the fat lady ain't singing yet, right Miky?  :-)

[Helen72]

Sally,
spotting after ivf is common and I was told to expect some although there was no problem getting embryos in.  The same goes for IUI actually.  So, don't worry about that.


I hope you'll have a few frozen guys.

[sasparilla]

Krista.. The mini-stim or natural IVF is where they go in and only shoot for retrieving 2-3 eggs.. Its less expensive b/c you dont have to pay all that extra cost for all the heavy stims.  I know Cooper Center does it (Dr. Check) and also  The Sher Institute.  Check 'em out online.  they have a real interesting theory behind it that really only 2 or 3 of our eggs are the great ones anyway, so why try for so many when it really is a bout quality for most IVF patients.  Might be the thing for you.. its so much less pressure than trying to produce so many dern eggs.  It was going to be my next in line if this one didn't work.

[magda_s]

Thanks for the info Sally, Krista.  

I have stayed in bed for most of the day (it's 12:30am here now so it's been 14 hours).  I've only gotten up to go to the bathroom an once to go to the kitchen to make a sandwich and aside from that, I've just sat up in bed to use my laptop.  So if the point is rest, I'm doing fine!

Krista, here's hoping that things go well for Sally and me and we start a trend of good luck!

Sally, Helen's absolutely right.  You can most definitely have spotting form the transfer and in your case, I would expect so!!  What an awful experience!!
But really, don't worry abou it.

[sasparilla]

I am so bored I'm going to vomit in my mouth

[Helen72]

I hope that morning sickness will get you and you will be vomiting in your mouth!!!!

[kp1212]

Sally is a weirdo, just in case you all haven't figured it out yet!!!

hhhaaaaaaaaa!

just kidding Sasparilla...  :-)

[kp1212]

p.s.  I am starting a new thread.  This one is toooo long!

See you at "AGP does Dallas"!  hardy har har har...