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Anyone out there having or going to have Frozen Embryo Transfer??

Hi everyone,

I am relatively new here, my Hubby and I have just completed our first go at IVF treatment, which sadly failed :o(  We are absolutely heartbroken. We have been TTC our first baby for the last two and a half years. We have suffered 2 early miscarriages and 2 horrific ectopic pregnancies (which resulted in the loss of both tubes and need for IVF). We really thought that IVF would work for us, treatment went better than we ever hoped, all the way through (they had originally estimated a low-normal response to the drugs with maybe 6 eggs at best) we ended up with 13 eggs, then 11 fertilised for us and we then ended up with 9 grade 1, 8 cell embryo's which was fantastic. But even after all this our embie didn't stay with us :o( I am so gutted and upset.

On a positive note, our clinic are very very keen that we go straight ahead with a Frozen Embryo Transfer, which we will be doing after my next period, so around the end of July / beginning August. They seemed quite positive about this and they will be having a review meeting to discuss our failed cycle and see what can be done differently next time - so fingers crossed. I am hoping that with FET, my body will cope better as I will not be having all the stimlulation drugs, poking around and of course the trauma of egg collection to deal with - as the FET will be done within a natural cycle and leutal phase / implantation support given. Just have to keep our fingers crossed that FET will work for us, I am determined to get my precious baby and with 8 beautiful frozen embryo's waiting for us, I am not about to give up!!!!

I was just wondering if there was anyone out there I could chat to about Frozen Embryo Transfer??? Would love to get to know a few of you and find out a bit more about things and your stories, success, advice and everything...

I look forward to getting to know you all, take care

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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My transfer was a success but unfortunately today I found out that the 1 egg that fertilized didn't make it.I'm heartbroken. N wondering if I should try again .my hubby don't have any kids but I have 2. N I never used if before I did use metphormin .diabetic meds to help me ovulate. It helped with my 1 st 2.but now only 1 ovary its hard .pray for us .I pray we can have at least 1
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hi
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985233 tn?1284842789
Welcome to this thread, long time no post here. I started IVF treatment last year in July. Fresh cycle failed, one frozen cycle failed and with second frozen transfer I got positive result. I have a 7 weeks old healthy and beautiful baby girl now:)
Please let me know about the result. I hope you have a positive result by now. Going through IVF is the most stressful procedure, but once you have your baby you will forget every thing.

Goodluck!

Sophie
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hi new to forum.Read most of the post`s,some made me cry some made me happy.Is anyone recently had frozen embryo transfer in august? I am on my day 3 after transfer still have 11 days before i can do a test.I have no sysmptons only having problems going toilet.Hope it takes this time tried 3 years ago with fresh ivf cycle but it failed and i was very ill.Then my mum passed away.So me and dh decided we do this again using or frozen embyro`s.Hope everyone that is going through the dreaded 2ww as a brilliant result. x x
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A related discussion, infertility was started.
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We're still sorting our when ours will be, but good luck to you.  I'll be sending good thoughts your way!
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hi

How is everyone going? Anyone getting close to a transfer soon. Mine will hopefully be next week some time but I will know more this arvo.

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Hi everyone,

Thanks to all for your for all yoru support, messages and all the love :o) I have really appreciated it and can't thank you all enough. How is everyone? I really hope you are all okay. Just going to post here for you all what I wrote in my journal, to save typing it all out again lol hope you don't mind!

I am doing okay I think, initial shock has worn off and I am coming to terms with things. We have decided to take a complete break from it all for a while, I can't put myself through this again any time soon, so I think we are taking a break til' atleast Summer next year. My body and mind just can't take anymore and I have to give myself a chance to re-cover. In the mean time I have decided to go back to college, I have applied to start full time in January for a NQ qualificication which covers everything and intro back into education, then after that I will be doing 4 Highers -English Literature, Psychology, Sociology and History. These subjects really fascinate me and i really want to do them for me, maybe with a view to going on to be a Counsellor or Psychologist or something. Also applying to start a short evening course in September - Introduction to Pyschology which will be a good step up in the long run and will keep me busy until January! So I am feeling really good about all that, really looking forward to doing something completely unrelated to IVF and babies and get my brain working again and find out who I am again - something I forgot a long time ago when this journey started, I haven't thought about anything else in 3 years! Plus I think it's about time I had a PLAN B for my life in action, incase this just doesn't work out for us. Want to get to know Hubby and me again and start living again...get off this baby track and re-discover eachother and maybe start to enjoy life a little. So that's the plan just now and I feel good about it. Of course I wish that IVF had worked, but it didn't and I don't want to wallow in self-pity anymore, no use sitting around feeling sorry for myself, won't get me anywhere - so here we go, a brand new start.

Although we are taking a break and I won't be on here that much,  I will still be around and checking up on you all from time to time, so please keep this thread going!!! I willl be back next year sometime when we decide to do this all over again. I am always thinking of you all and sending massive amounts of ****baby dust***** and *****baby glue******

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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985233 tn?1284842789
Hi Sara,

How are you doing? I hope you feel much better now.

Good luck every one!!!!!!!


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985233 tn?1284842789
Dear Sara,

I am very sorry that FET didn’t work this time. I can only imagine your feelings; however, you are a perfect healthy young woman. Your strong embryos are not given the chance yet; they are waiting for you among 7 embryos.
As mbeliza said that it is not guarantee that all embryos will grow till the end. If you take my example I had 17 embryos on day one 4 embryos were frozen the same day.  The remaining 13 embryos were kept to reach blast cysts stage. Out of 13 there were only 4 good quality blasts on day 5. On day 6 two more blasts were frozen which of course are not as good quality as day 5 blasts are.  In this way all together from 13, 2-8 cells embryos only 6 reach to blast and the remaining embryos didn’t grow.

A single day five blast which was perfectly growing from the beginning till the end, was transferred but didn’t work. I know it is very frustrating but it is the natural way of growth for embryos.

When I had my BFN I was very upset at the beginning, cried a lot and then I convinced myself that it is still much better than several other pregnancy complication like miscarriage, still birth, abnormal baby, premature birth where the baby dies at the end. I said to myself that God knows better and what ever happened to me would be in my best interest. You can think the same way.
  
Lots of love and hugs to you.

BABY DUST !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My heart sank when I read your email, but don't worry - you still have more embryos left.  Here's a few statistics to think about (and I hope this helps you realize that the problem is not you):
1- When my embryos were 8-cell embryos, I had 9 Grade A perfect embryos.  However, only 5 developed further into blastocysts.  And when two of those went in me, they got me pregnant but they were not good enough to last.  So, even though those embryos were perfect for the 3 day phase, your clinic may have not chosen the ones that could develop into blastocysts.  Also, you can't tell much about the development potential of an embryo until it is blastocyst - so they really may be choosing the wrong ones.
2- IVF success rates are really only about a 30% chance during both a fresh and frozen transfer. So, for people doing what you have done, only 51 out of 100 would be pregnant.  So, many people are in the same scenario as you.
3- I know many people who had to do multiple rounds before they got their precious baby.  When I had my miscarrage, I read two stories that made me feel better.  One was online and one was an email from a co-workers wife (they did 5 rounds of IVF).  I'll put a link to the online story here for you and I will copy and paste my co-worker's wife's email too.
*Online story (read Brenda's story): http://www.ivfconnections.com/stories.htm
*Coworker's story:  We started off trying to conceive in '99. It wasn't happening for going on about a year so we started doing the blood tests and other work ups with nothing looking out of the ordinary at all. It was good news, bad news. Good because there wasn't a huge problem, but also kind of bad because there wasn't anything to treat specifically. We did a couple of rounds of IUI and while I responded pretty well, they were all negative. They cancelled one of our IUI rounds because I had 9 mature follicles so they were worried about high order multiples. Looking back we should've just gone for it but again since we had no diagnosis, it was too risky. Rather than play around with that, we chose to jump to IVF since we had good infertility coverage at the time and figured we'd be wise to up our chances.

Our first round of IVF was text book perfect. We ended up with 12 eggs, but only 4 fertilized. I think 2 of those made it to day 3 and they transferred all 3 of them. I could be off by an embryo but I think that's what happened. Since our fertilzation rate was so low, they decided to do ICSI going forward. They assumption was that maybe the zona (shell) of my eggs was too thick, so this would help things along. Every cycle after that had much better fertilzation rates. I should get my charts from my clinic to look at all the #'s, but I think it was above 75% after that. We'd have anywhere from 9-12 eggs each time, maybe one cycle was only 7.

Kelly, our 6 year old, was a result of IVF #4. That was going to be our last shot as well before taking a long break. We did another cycle in May of 2005, about 16 months year after she was born, that was negative. Up until that cycle, I was getting panicky about her being an only child. Then after the failed cycle, I relaxed a lot and knew that it would be OK if we never had more. It was kind of strange and unexpected that even though I was disappointed, that worry went away after that.

Then Greg started working for a company with good fertility benefits and we decided to give it another try. This was IVF #6 and I think we got 12 eggs and all 12 fertilized. Things looked so good we waited and did a day 5 (blastocyst) transfer of 2 embryos and it was "two in, two out" and we had our twins plus we froze 3 more embryos at the blast stage as well.

As for what we did to stay sane, it's hard to say exactly. I'd try to keep distracted and not think about it too much but that's pretty impossible. What always helped me stay relatively calm was to always have a next step or a plan B. Like, "If this cycle doesn't work, we'll do X next". In between cycles I also would stay positive by knowing that we had another shot a few months later, etc... It was the time before I got pregnant with Kelly that I felt really discouraged because we didn't have a plan B and didn't have IVF coverage so I really didn't know what would happen. So you can't plan out every last step and you never know when it's going to happen, but having a rough idea might help you feel like all hope isn't lost.

Another thing that helped me was by thinking about IVF as giving us a "normal" couple's chance of conceiving. I was always hopeful that a cycle would work, but when it didn't, I'd remember that most couples don't get pregnant the first month, so IVF (or IUI, etc.) wouldn't necessarily work the first time either and that it wasn't the end of the world.

Anyways, I hope that makes you feel better.  And just remember - you are not alone.  We're all going through the same thing and have felt similar emotions.  And just start thinking about next time.

BABY DUST!!
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I know how you feel... I felt the same way when our first round of IVF failed.  It is very difficult.  Lots of hugs to you!
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I am so sorry about the news. Don't worry about being down. You need it to be able to get back up which you will do.

I can only imagine what you have been through. Cry all you need.




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Well it's bad news girls :o(

I caved in and tested this morning, 15dpo and the day before official test day tomorrow (well today really, it's 2am and I can't sleep cos' I am crying so much)

I used a First Response and a Clearblue digital, both BFN :o( Then I started spotting brown this afternoon and tonight it is turnng bright red and AF awful cramps setting in, so AF will be in full swing by tomorrow I am sure. Got appointment at the clinic at 9.30am for outcome, which obviously will be BFN :o(

I just can't believe it, I am so mad at myself for even getting my hopes up atall, how could I possibly think we would get what we want after so many years and so many setbacks and all the heartache - did I really think something would work out for us!!!??? Why won't my embies stay with me?? What is wrong with me :o( I have lost 7 babies now when you think about it, 2 miscarriages, 2 ectopics and now 3 precious embryo's that were so fit and strong but just didn't want to stay with me :o( I don't understand, I did everything right, everything they told me to, what have I done to deserve this. I feel like such a useless failure as a woman and it hurts so much.....

I am so sorry to be such a downer and wallowing in self-pity, I am just so upset at the moment and so angry. I just don't know how much more I can put myself through. I know that in a few days I will be able to be strong again, and I will come around and stay determined, but at the moment I am just so upset and crying so much I can't see straight.

Sorry I don't bring better news girls, I am still thinking of you all and sending super duper *******baby dust********* to all of you

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Thinking of SaraKate.
Lots of baby dust to you!!!!

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Sara- how are you doing? Did you do any pregnancy test?

Wishing you all the best!!!!!!!

Hannah- of course we will be intouch. Fingers crossed for our  FET in October.

Welcome Baby4me-  when is your embryo transffered scheduled??? Baby dust to you!!!!!!


Good luck every one else!!!


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When are you secheduled for your beta?
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Hey Sarahkate

How are you going?? Sorry have been off line for a few days...but still keeping an eye on this thread - dying to hear the fab news!!!.....well i am off on holiday tomorrow so i am not going to find out until i am back in september! Just wanted to tell you i am thinking of you and have my fingers and toes crossed - although i really don't think you need it!!......

Sophie - will stay in touch with you as i am sure we will be FETing at a similar time!!!

BABY DUST BABY DUST BABY DUST BABY DUST BABY DUST BABY DUST
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Headach  could be due to stress. I also had severe headach and I know I was really stressed during my 2WW which I shouldn't be. Mild cramping and sharp niggles are very common symptoms of early pregnancy.

How do you feel now? Did you experience these symptoms last time or not??
The only thing I can do is to pray. I do pray for you in all my prayers and when ever I think of you. You only have one or two more days to wait.

Wish you all the best and a very healthy pregnancy!!!!!!



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LOL sophie hun!!! Yeah I meant a spot on my face lol!! Haven't had any spotting or bleeding as of yet. I felt really ill last night though :o( I had an absolutely awful headache, and since yesterday evening I have had a lot of cramping period type pains and a few sharp niggles!!!! I know this could be good or bad - could be AF on the way or it could be implantation - you just don't know aaaaarrrgghhh!!!!!!! I am just trying to hang on in there now and not be stressed, I was convinced last night AF was on the way, but nothing so far, I usually have a bit of spotting before AF arrives anyway, so we shall see.....

How is everyone? Really well I hope girls *******baby dust********* all round

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Hay Sara I didn't understand the spot thing. I thought you had blood spot which could be implantation. But where ever you got the spot it is a sign of GOOD LUCK lol.

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I think it is good news that you got one big spot. This is definitely implantation bleeding as it occurs between 6 to 12 days post ovulation and you are between that period now. Stay calm and wait for the result. I know it is not an easy time but you are a strong woman and can control your feelings.

My best wishes and prayers are with you.



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Awwww girls thank you all so much :o) I really appreciate all your support, it's wonderful and I am so lucky to have you all, thank you. I am feeling okay today, got a big huge new spot on my face which really hurts lol - could mean pregnancy could mean AF on way - no way to tell lol!!!! Just have to be patient!!!! I will let you all know and will post here as soon as I know the result!!!

How is everyone else doing? I really hope everyone is okay girls??

**************baby dust************* all round xxxxxxxxxxx
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Sara I quite agree with Hannah. I also wish I don’t get any symptoms as I had many pregnancy symptoms like headache, backache, cramping etc during my failed cycle. Each woman has different symptoms and then each pregnancy to the same woman can entirely be different. You are only on 6th day post transfer but since you are in 2WW you might think it is your six month and you have started worrying about symptoms lol. Don’t worry all crazy symptoms are waiting for you:)
Stay positive and think that everything which is happening to you is in the best interest of you.  Once the embryos are transferred it is beyond every one’s control except GOD and I am sure He loves you very much and will never disappoint you.
BABY DUST AND GLUE TO SARAKATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck everyone else!!!!
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