HCG Levels/HELP

Hello Everyone... I just found out last week I am pregnant.. When they did my first Blood work it was 140 which confirmed I was.. Then I went in on that monday adn went to 540 I went in today for blood work and its 660, nurse had said to stop taking my prenatal vitamins and watch for Cramping or Bleedingm Ok so are you telling me I am having a M/S? She said to them HCG level should be doubled? Well she is going by the books and thinking it should be doubled. I am in-tune with my body so needless to say i was very upset and been crying  :crying:  how do you want me to take that? She had said that more than likely its not going to  be a healthy pregnancy :( I go in Sunday for more blood work and than they will see.. Anyone experience this.. Please let me know.. I am thinking Ok my levels arent dropping,,

[wanting4#1]

I am so sorry!  This is the hardest thing for us to go through and it isn't made an easier by insensitive nurses and doctor's offices!

The numbers, unfortunately, are the telling tale for pregnancies, since it is too early to see much on an u/s!  It isn't a very good sign that the numbers didn't double, but I wouldn't say all is lost until a few tests confirm that!  

For the record, I, personally, wouldn't stop taking prenatals until something has been confirmed!

I will keep you in my prayers!!  I hope things do work out!

[Babybaw4]

Thanks so much, I didnt plan on stop taking them they are good for you either way.. "they" meaning nurse is only going by statistics and what they think the hcg level should be. I am suppose to have my first u/s on aug 5 and they want me to come in for blood work sunday around 8:30am and they will let me know by afternoon, so I will try and stay positive but I feel my weekend is shot. Plus I had my IUI on july 9 and my Positive HPT on July 22..

[sasparilla]

You could always have a vanishing twin, so I wouldn't stop your prenatals.

[Houston79]

Oh BabyBaw!  I'm sorry about that crummy piece of news!  You're right-don't stop those pre-natals! No way!  You never know, you just may be having a vanishing twin.  I'll pray your weekend goes by quickly! HUGS!

[Babybaw4]

thank you. I wasnt going to stop my vitamins they are good for you either way. My sisters friend had low numbers and they told her the same thing and she went on and had a healthy pregnancy and she had gave birth in May.. I dont feel any cramping nor bleeding and I get more blood work tomorrow morning so they will see what my numbers are then. I was told last week to come in for my 1st u/s on Aug 5 so maybe they can see something more viable and can tell if there is a problem

[wannababe]

I'm so sorry Babybaw, that nurse seems so heartless.  I don't know what to say.  You are still pg now so don't lose hope until something definite happens.  

[niran]

I tried 1 ivf on 17th April08 andon 1.5.08 preg confirmed and on urine test it is slight positive and 1st beta hcg showed 128.32 and again after 48 hours it is 277.62 so i felt happy.But unfortunately in u/s the fetal heartbeat not found and medical termination done .So I feel the number game not at all works always though the doc say like that. u don't stop  prenatals until anything confirmed to U. for suppose again when u took the betahcg it shows the good number but the stoppage of the med will reflect on it. firstly u stop thinking in negative way. The will power of u do miracles in the circumstances like this, Good luck to u. My prayers are with u

[melanie169]

I am sorry you got some bad news but I agree with the others hope is not lost.  I have heard situations where things worked out in similar circumstances.  You are right to keep taking your vitamins and I have also been dealing with some less than kind nurses and you just have to block them out.  I think after time some Drs. and nurses get too clinical and forget they are dealing with human emotions and act somewhat heartless.  Good luck to you and please keep us posted.

[sjm72]

I don't  know much about the IUI but when I was pregnant with my daughter my firstbeta was only 17 and I can't remember but I know they did'nt double.  Doctor even did  an ultra sound and nothing was in the sac.  I kept asking are you sure it's just not too early.  All I got was negative feedback.  My daughter is now a healthy seven year old.  Please don't give up hope. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers .

[singhshweta21]

dont fret or worry about something which has not happened as yet..my prayers are with you and all the best

[Babybaw4]

Thanks I do agree my mom said yesterday at this point your still pregnanct, no cramping or bleeding. I went at 8:30am this morining for more blood work. On the paper looks like they are testing my HCG and Ectopic Pregnancy/tubal I asked the nurse who took blood is that what they think I am having as according to what I know is a Ectopic Pregnany you get bad shoulder pains and in pain in general I feel no pain. my bbs are sore and thats about it.. So I am sitting on egg shells until they call. I will update evryone when I know something.. Thanks for all of your support

[leighanne143]

thinking of you:)  let us all know:)

[miky72]

Thinking of you and sending good vibes

[sasparilla]

Good luck.. I hope everything turns out okay for you!!!!!

[Babybaw4]

I just want to let you know that I nurse had just called and my HCG results are now 798, I am confused as she had said no Prenatal vitamins or sexual activity, then she had called back and said that my white blood count was high and asked if I was sick?> Well I am not sick I dont feel sick at all.. SHe didnt give me the blood count numbers I go tuesday as schedule for a Ultrasound but everyone keeps telling me to drink 32oz of water nurse didnt give me any instructions.. My guess my HCG levels are increasing they are not doubling but going up, is that good???

[Houston79]

wow...that is really confusing! But you're right, the good thing is your count went up.  You should call your doctor tomorrow morning and talk to him about what is going on.  Good luck to you-I hope everything is okay!

[vortex1]

Count going up is a good sign. All the best for your u/s in on Tuesday. I agree with Houston and you should call your doctor and speak with him/her.

[SANIGSTOOO]

Please, don't give up. Be prepared, but fight for your baby as well. If you are on progesterone keep taking it, and your prenatals......Doesn't make sense they would tell you to stop at all ~ you should continue to take them straight through until after you birth the baby......why they would tell you to stop just doesn't make any sense..... You are pregnant until you actualy pass that baby. Treat yourself as such. I hope it all works out for you. I will pray.

[Babybaw4]

Ok Thanks. I agree as my mom said the same thing if you have no bleeding or cramping your still in fact pregnant until they tell me otherwise. They are suppose to call me sometime today but tomorrow I will have the ultrasound and see what happens.. I just have been praying and so scared. Fertility is stressful enough and what makes it very hard is my husband doesnt have any sperm so we have to use Donar Sperm and that is expensive and painful (at least the IUI are) I am trying to stay positive but cant get a straight answer. I have read everything on miscarriages and I feel none of it, no pain, bleeding, shoulder pain or cramping.. I will update everyone late afternoon when I get a call from the doc as wella s tuesday

[Carrie526]

I am so sorry you are having to go through this! The support on here is great and I guess I would listen to everyone here over that strange nurse. Prenantals are a way to support you through the pregnancy too, so there is no reason to stop taking them. I know it is easy to say and hard to do, but try to stay positive until that u/s. Even then, take their advice with a grain of salt. Your body will tell you if anything is going on. Just try to stay focused on the baby. I wish you all the best and big hugs!!

[Babybaw4]

Thanks I sure will. I go tomorrow and will let everyone know the outcome.. Your right my body is doing fine, no cramping, bleeding shoulder pain which I was told can be caused from Ectopic Pregnany. I'll wait and see tomorrow and pray I just prove them wrong

[maan72]

i just commented on one of the messages of one of the members here.  I had the same experience with my 2nd cycle.  i was really upset, disappointed and actually mad at the doctor when she CONGRATULATED me on my first hcg result.  if doctor congratulates you, wouldn't you think you're pregnant.  she actually said, it's positive, congratulations.  who wouldn't take that as a good news.  i trusted her so i took her word for it.  told my husband and family members.  after the 2nd hcg, it didn't double, so the nurse was the one who told me the sad news that it could be negative. i had a lot of questions why they would say positive and after 2 days say it was negative.  nurse said it could still be the effect of the medications i had, that's why it was still high during the first result.  i was at least expecting the doctor to explain all these to me but it was the nurse or maybe she was nurse practioner or maybe med asst but still i was expecting the doctor to tell me all those, so i thought maybe she was guilty for telling me the first news and taking it back.  they wanted me to have a check up with them after 2 weeks but i never went back and looked for another doctor instead.

[kikicoates78]

Well all I have to say is ..BOO to that nurse! She should have never been so negative in the first place. When I had my m/c I knew it. At least a week b4 I passed naturally, lots of side pain, real dullpain, but constant. You kow somthing is wrong, and my numbers dropped drastically! yours are still going up, we are all pulling for you!

[Babybaw4]

Thanks so much. I am still holding on hope. My numbers are increasing and I dont feel any pain, just  the normal bloating and flutters doc said I would feel. I go tomorrow and unsure if that is to early as I will be only 3-weeks. If they are counting  the day of my IUI which was on July 9, I assume they can determine if in fact its a Ectopic Pregnancy, in which I would think I would be in pain. I will keep you all updated. I really appreciate the feed back and advise. I dont even know how I can work all day, but I am hoping it will go by fast

[Houston79]

we'll keep your day going by quickly by posting for you and hoping for you!  I can't wait to hear what happens tomorrow. It sounds like you have a lot of support at home-my mom doesn't even know I am ttc. What time is your appt. tomorrow?

[Babybaw4]

Thanks I am just praying all goes well. I go at like 7:30am but that is the thing I dont even know if that is the right time.. Someone is suppose to call me today if not I will call them around 4. My husband cant go its so hard for him to get time off work, my sister is going to go so at least she can ask some questions and understand. I had my IUI on July 9 so I am only a few weeks along, maybe implanation was to early and they are thinking I am farther along.. I am trying to throw some scenrios out there to make myself feel better, lets hope its all their mistake and everything is going well.. I will for sure update everyone, lets hope if anything I can get some good answers

[Houston79]

Yes-lets hope it was all a mistake.  I'm glad your sister is going with you.  Work is almost over and you'll be able to go home and relax soon! I will be praying for you for tomorrow! I pray you'll get great answers! HUGS!

[Babybaw4]

Yes I know almost over.. Thanks I go at 7:45am tomorrow nurse called a few mins ago thank god its first thing, my sister wants to go in the room so she can see and ask questions. They had said are doing a Transvagional ultrasound so at least they can see something and if its in the right spot.. I was thinking back and my IUI was July 9, I am only like maybe 3-weeks if that, so maybe my levels arent high enough.

[bny807]

So sorry you have had to go through this! i went through a situation recently where i had to wait on beta's etc (beta hell i called it) waiting for the next numbers, next ultrasounds etc...it really is so stressful, i wouldn't wish it upon anyone! and as you said, after going through fertility treatments then having scares once we finally get pregnant, just seems so unfair!!!  as they said above, defintely still have hope, a vanishing twin when undergoing fertility esp is common so that could have been the cause!  Keep us updated and my prayers are with you!!!!!

[Sri83]

hi dear,,,
u r pregnant and the levels are going up,,,thats a good sign,,,u r in my prayers dear,,,

[Babybaw4]

Ok Just got back from my appointment I was more confused when I came out then going in.. Ok well they did a U/s Tech said its in my uterus, doc did a exam and my cervix is closed. Docs is saying that the gestinial sac is not where its suppose to be but its in my uterus?? Ok well they cant give me a answer and tell me if its in my tubes. They are telling me its not going to be a healthy pregnancy and they are saying I am 5-weeks well according to my last period I am only 2-1/2 weeks and my levels should be doubling.. They are not giving me much time to make a decision as they dont want to get risky.. Can anyone tell me what if you see a gestinial sac and my cervis is closed and I am not in pain or bleeding.. Then what it is.. I am at a lost and do I terminte a healthy pregnancy or go with what they say?? Please help I am so upset

[Houston79]

Hi BabyBaw,
So the pregnancy is in the uterus and your doc says its not where it is supposed to be?  But it isn't in your tubes if it is in your uterus.  What else did they say when they said it wasn't going to be healthy?  Did they not see the fetal pole or something?

You count how many weeks along you are based on your last monthly period so it would right, you are five weeks, give or take a few days.  

Did they do another beta hcg?  I would advise you to wait. You need to see what your hcg levels are doing and seeing as it is so early, they may not be able to see anything inside the gestational sac yet. That is very common.  Don't do anything like D & C yet.   Try not to stress and just wait for your next ultrasound and bloodwork.  Did they schedule one for you?  If not, you should probably do that. Don't worry just yet, just take everyday that you're pregnant as a blessing. HUGS!!!

[sasparilla]

I would definitely wait.  See what the next US shows.  I'm sending you a pm.

[bny807]

Gosh i'm so sorry you have to go through this!    If they did in fact see the gestational sac in your uterus (that would mean unless there is a second one that you don't have an ectopic)... When I was going through everything recently, they initially at 6.5weeks found a gestational sac, though it was smaller than it should be but it was in the uterus.. they said it was not going to be a healthy viable pregnancy and just to wait, no need to do a D&C.. it took me a little over 3 weeks to miscarry, but by then we had gotten a second ultrasound 10- days after the first which made the world of difference as far as peace of mind.. as hard as the wait and miscarrying was, i like that my dr didn't rush me into a D&C.. seeing that next ultrasound can mean the world... at one point they were concerned for an ectopic as well, but they say those normally dont' start causing any probs till 6 or 7 weeks and they wanted to wait to see if i had pains or symptoms before doing anything, since we had tried so hard to get pregnant, the last thing they wanted to do was end a potentially healthy pregnancy.... So it is possible that you can still have a heathy pregnancy and carry to term, there are lots of success stories out there!  check out misdiagnosedmiscarriage.com.. i liiked reading the stories of success/hope during that rough time!    GOOD LUCK and i'm praying that you have a healthy litt one in there!

[Babybaw4]

They didnt see a Sac at least a Yolk Sac but there is a gestintial sac there and its in my uterus.. They cant tell me straight if its in my tubes then I know I can make a easy decision. They did more blood work and I should know this afternoon. I do have another Vagional ultrasound on thursday and more blood work. But the problem is my husband has NO sperm we are usoing donar sperm. I had my IUI on July 9 so June 25 was my last period but I should only be a few weeks. They say it wasnt going to be halthy because my levels arent increasing and doubling day by day but they are increasing. What is a fetal pole? She said there is nothing in the gestinal sac I assume its to early and they cant tell yet, U/S tech said the numbers dont add up meaning that they are saying I am 5-weeks but the sac says otherwise?? I dont know what to think or do, I cant t ake my vitamins, no lifting nothing just relax.. uugghhh

[Babybaw4]

Ok Thanks so much.. I am confused she is saying the same thing they had told you. I am right with you I dont want to terminte a healthy pregnancy I want to listen to them and make a decision, but its tough. I am not going to rush and make a decision quickly, maybe I can weight it out and see what happens.. I dont want to be in pain or cause any damage but I would like to know what the deal is. Fertility is stressful enough and my husband has no sperm so that makes it much more difficult and expensive, we have to use Donar Sperm, here i go tell everyone and get excited then this.. I am sure its common but stinks..

[Houston79]

Oh okay, so they didn't see anything in the gestational sac.  Well, it could go two ways, it could just be too early, or it really could be non-viable.  I would definitely check out that website bny807 suggested.  I don't want to give you any false hope, but I also believe in hanging on to hope as long as possible.  God is a miracle worker and He knows what is best.  If this pregnancy doesn't work, maybe it means the baby wouldn't have been right.

I'm glad you have more another appointment on Thurs.  I don't understand why you can't take your prenatal vitamins.  I take them all the time, even when I had a lap surgery a few months ago.  To me it just doesn't make sense, but I am no doctor.  Relax, pray and wait it out.  I'll be praying for you!

[Babybaw4]

Ok Thanks I just went on that website and registered and just waiting on a confirmation. Very interesting and so much to read. Your right I will wait and see what happens I dont want to lose hope but they dont give you enough re-assurance ya know.. Thanks so much I will keep you updated. They should call me shortly with the hcg levels and what it did within 2-days

[KM604]

First off, I am really sorry you are going through this.  I can say, that they are right saying that you are about 5 weeks.  You count it based on the first day of your last period - even though you weren't technically pregnant than.  I think it is good that you are going in again on Thursday for another u/s, because maybe they will see more.  My suggestion, would be to go a week after today or a week after Thursday to get another u/s, because there could be more changes made by then (if any).  Also, if it isn't viable, you won't miscarry right away - it could take a couple weeks.  Some women (for example) have a baby die when they are 9 weeks but don't find out until their 12 week appointment - because the baby hasn't rid itself yet.  Your numbers could rise because your body still thinks you are pregnant - but I don't understand the whole pregnancy in your uterus thing.  I would ask them to explain why it isn't viable - you are the patient and you are the leader - they need to explain everything to you.  I would wait another week though and get another u/s, then make your decision as far as whether you want a D&C or not.  Some women need a D&C because their body won't rid the baby on their own.  I hope that it is a viable pregnancy and it is just too early to see everything (yolk sac, fetal pole, etc.).  Best wishes.

[blessedmomof3]

OK, I went through this in June. They never could find my baby, but my numbers were slowly going up. I would not let them trminate. I told them unless I was in pain or they could prove w/o a doubt it was ectopic I was going to wait it out. So, I did. I lost the baby, but at least I knew I didn't terminate a healthy pregnancy. If it is in your Uterus then it is not in your tubes. Why can't you take your vitamins? I would wait it out, unless you are in pain. Your body will tell you. DRs don't always know, I have read up on so many cases where the numbers did not double and they had healthy babies. I did alot of research on this when I was going through it. I even read on one case where they told the girl her baby wasn't growing like it should, and it eventualy jsut caught up to where it was suposed to be and she had a healthy baby. So, you do what you body and gut tells you. Only you realy know. The best of luck!!!!!!

[blessedmomof3]

PS: Don't let them Bully you into anything you are not comfortable with. If you feel like you want to wait, you wait as long as you want!!!

[Babybaw4]

Thanks I do plan on it and told my husband unless I am in pain I choose to wait. I know passing a miscarriage on your own naturally is healthier then physically taken it from me, I am torn and I know my body will tell me otherwise, my husband wants me to get a 2nd opinion, its a pain to go elsehwere and really stressful as it is.. I will let you know, she should be calling this afternoon with the  hcg results

[Houston79]

I agree with Hoping42! Don't let them tell you what to do!  Remember, doctors "practice" medicine so they don't always know in each and every case.

[Mumita]

Miscarriages are common, if you ask around on this forum unfortunately you will find many of us that have gone through it.  Transvaginal ultrasounds aren't able to see much before your hcg levels reach 2000 so they can't tell you anything yet, I think it is way too early.  At 5 weeks you can't see anything all they can do is hcg levels.  Also at 5 weeks they should NOT be offering you a D&C if you are over 10 weeks and your body doesn't miscarry on its own then go ahead but so early on is unnecessary, your body KNOWS what to do.  I had a natural m/c and it hurt A LOT but my body did everything that it needed to to cleanse out without damage to my uterus.  In a D&C they basically scrape your uterus to get rid of the endometrial growth, not nice and it can do a lot of damage.  Not to mention when you have a natural m/c your body regulates itself much faster and easier because it knows what's going on.  With a D&C not so much.

Anyway, I think its way too early to do anything but wait, keep taking your pre-natals.  Your body will tell you one way or another what's going on. AND Please get a second opinion, it might be worth it.

[wanting4#1]

I am so sorry that this is happening to you!  If they saw a sac but nothing in it, it could be a blighted ovum -- which is what I had!  My numbers were very similar to yours - they went up, but didn't double!  Going up, unfortunately is not enough to indicate a healthy pregnancy. I would ask for another HCG to put your mind at ease, but if I recall your numbers were like 600 and only went up to 700 - that's just not enough -- they should have been at like 1200!  The sac will cause HCG in your system, but without a baby inside it, they won't go up enough!  My RE said that we could wait as long as we wanted to make a decision that we were comfortable with but that there was no baby in the sac to develop or even watch for development (no pole, nothing)....we decided to end the mental anguish and torture of further b/w.

I am so sorry that this happened to you!

[blessedmomof3]

Caution must be used in making too much of hCG numbers. A normal pregnancy may have low hCG levels and result in a perfectly healthy baby. The results from an ultrasound after 5 - 6 weeks gestation are much more accurate than using hCG numbers.



http://www.americanpregnancy.org/duringpregnancy/hcglevels.html

[love1221]

I agree with everyone...it's too early for them to really see anything on an ultrasound.  It could still be a viable pregnancy.  There's no harm in waiting to see what happens.  And when you count you start at the first day of your last period...so the way I'm counting, that would be 5 weeks or so.  I think it's too early to tell you that you need a d&c or anything like that.  And every dr. you go to will tell you a different thing about doubling times....some say 24 hrs, some say 36 hrs.  Just, keep your faith!

[Babybaw4]

Thanks I sure will. Doc had just called and within 2-days my hcg numbers are now 1076, I go again on thursday for another u/s and more blood work.. I will take it from there I am going to weight out my options.. I was on that website misdiagnosedmiscarriages.com and what a great sight r eally holds out hope. My ceris right now is closed nad until I experience any bleeding or cramping I will wait

[wannababe]

Babybaw4 - I'm so sorry you are going through all of this torment now.  I totally agree with everyone else.  Don't let them talk you into anything that you don't feel is right for you.  Get as much information together as you can and get your questions ready before your appointment on Thurs.  Good luck x

[Houston79]

good for you for waiting!  I agree with wannababe-get all your questions ready for next time.  Just in case it isn't viable, I had a natural m/c in Feb. and honestly, it didn't hurt at all. I was a little over 6 weeks.  It was just sad.  But my body regained composure and I ovulated and had periods regularly right after that.  

[Babybaw4]

I sure will. Me and my husband are going tomorrow, dont understand why they keep taking blood every 2-days I just dont understand why do a Transvagional U/S 2-days later, unsure if they will see something. How can I tell them to double check make sure its not in my tubes.. Would a Abdominal U/S work.. I am so baffled and cant even get happy as I dont know what to do.. I will keep you posted

[blessedmomof3]

The Transvaginal U/S will show if it is in your uterus, ovaries, or tubes. That's whay my Dr told me. That is probly what they are checking for every 2 days. They are probly looking to see if you have a lump in your tubes, but if you did you would feel it.

[wannababe]

Good luck tomorrow.  Thinking of you.

As hoping4_2 said, the transvag US will see if the pg is somewhere else besides the uterus.  That's how my ectopic was diagnosed.  Although they did see a type of mass outside my womb with the abdominal ultrasound.

[wanting4#1]

I am so sorry that this is happening to you!  I remember the frustration and anxiety when I went through it - it's not fair!

They are taking b/w every other day to see if your levels are doubling, rising or dropping!  That will be very indicative to them what is going on.  While it is true that low numbers have gone on to be healthy pregnancies, they still doubled.  That is the bigger indicator - not the actual number but that it is doubling!

They are doing a t/v us because it is still so early that an abdomenal (abdominal) one would only be grainy and wouldn't show anything.  They will be able to see the sac; inside the sac and if there is a fetal pole with the t/v us!  I think that they already saw that the sac was in your uterus, so a tubal pregnancy isn't their concern right now, I would guess.  They want to see if the baby is growing inside the sac.

I am keeping you in my prayers!  Good luck and God Bless...

[Houston79]

Good luck tomorrow babybaw! I'm glad the two of you are going together.  I'll be praying for you tonight!

[Babybaw4]

Ok just got back from the doctor.. Good News, ultrasound confirmed there is now a Yolk Sac :) We were so pleased.. I go back in 2-weeks I can start taking my vitamins again, cant so anything  that stretches my stomach even sex :( but I will be fine.. She was concerned with a rough edges on the sac and cervix is closed and ovaries look fine.. Its not in my tubes and plain to see in my Uterus.. I am trying to stay positive and not get to hopes up but she said looks good now.. I appreceite your supprt means alot this forum helps so much who are just rookies...

[wanting4#1]

That is wonderful news! I will continue to keep you in my prayers!  Happy and healthy nine months! :)

[Babybaw4]

Thanks so much. That is all I have been doing is praying, my husband bought me a angel necklace last week and ever since then I  havent took it off. She said everything at this point looks good and yolk sac is there.. We will see what happens in 2weeks. I didnt think anything would even be growing in 2-days so I can imagine in 2-weeks. Thanks for the support means a bunch

[steph328]

Hello everyone!

Good luck with all of you that are ttc. Maybe someone can give me a little ease since I am confused!

I had an HCG shot on 7/25/08.  14 days later on 8/7 I had an afternoon doctor's appointment for a blood test since my home pregnancy test was positive but it could be the HCG still in me.  I was just told my results from the blood test were 83.  Based on their calculation I should be 3 wks 5 days preg.  I am scheduled to retest on Monday to see if the levels went up or down.  My question is: At 14 days from the HCG shot could it give me a blood test level of 83 and result in a false positive? Thanks!!

[sasparilla]

Congrats Babybaw4.. awesome news!

Steph328.. It sounds like a real BFP to me!!!

[blessedmomof3]

I was told it takes 12 - 14 days for the HCG from the shot to leave your body, that's why they make you wait 14 days to test. So, I would say CONGRATS U R PG!!!!