Question about positive test

My daughter was implanted with donor eggs after several failed attempts using her own and today went for a blood test. The result was 17. She said this means she is pregnant and has to go back on Monday for anothr test. Does this mean she is pregnant for sure?

[nshapland]

Anything over 5 is positive and that means she is pregnant.  A 17 beta seems a little low, although what matters is that the levels double every 2-3 days.

[tgcmoore]

That is low? does that mean it could be a false pregnancy? It is a lot over 5. Now I am a little nervous.

[frank_noahsmommy]

How long ago did she have the eggs implanted. She could be very early pregnant, as long as her numbers double every 48-72 hrs.

[Sherri90049]

It's not a false positive, as there is not really such a thing with a blood test. She is definitely pregnant right now. No one test result can say for sure whether it is viable or not. But like the other two ladies mentioned, the levels just need to double every 48-72 hours. Hopefully the test just happened to catch it very early, and by Monday it will be at 34 or higher. Crossing my fingers! :)

[tgcmoore]

The test was done 9 days after the egss were implanted. They were from a donor (her sister).

[frank_noahsmommy]

Then that number seems about right, just as long as it doubles in the appropriate time. I hope everything works out for your daughter, keep us posted!!

[tgcmoore]

She had 2 eggs implannted, somewhere I read that if there is  a possiblity of twinss the number wold be high, with a low number does that mean only 1 took? Or is it too early to know?

[nshapland]

I'm sorry; I didn't mean to worry you.  Yes, she is definitely pregnant. The most important thing is that it doubles every 2-3 days.  Good luck to you and your daughters  : )

[trh0819]

Where you start doesn't matter as much as the number doubling every 2-3 days. It's the not doubling that gives reason for concern. As for multiples, my first beta was super high. So was my second and those that followed, but I definitely only have one baby. A friend, however, started under 100 on the same day post transfer and has twins. Betas can give some indication for twins but they aren't for certain. The u/s is your only safe bet.  Good luck!

[tgcmoore]

Thanks for your information, I honestly know nothing about this and don't want to ask my daughter too many questions when I am sure she is worried herself. All they told her was that her test came back positive and the number was 17, it has to be higher that 5 to be positive. Then she has to come back on Monday for another test to see if it doubled. She is on progesterone shots now, will if afffect anything when she stops those?

[trh0819]

The injections are just assisting her body to build up what it may not yet be producing on its own. She should not stop taking progesterone until the doc tells her to. I was on prog injections until week 7. Then I was switched to crinone.

[trh0819]

I also wanted to say that I think it's great you're trying to gather information and understand some of this on your own while your daughter is going through everything. I went through IVF and my mother about drove me crazy with constant questions. I know she means well and is just wanting a healthy baby, but I swear she added more stress to my life than the actual procedure. HA! Sad, but true. You'll find great support here and plenty of suggestions, ideas, input. You just have to remember not to compare our stories to your daughter's. Every pregnancy is different. I'd find myself getting totally worked up about someone else's number versus mine only to find out I was totally fine after all. But the support here is amazing. There are so many amazingly strong women who have been through so much more than I have. And just knowing they are here to pick you up when you're down and celebrate when you have reason is great!

[tgcmoore]

I tthink I would drive her crazy so I will drive you crazy instead!!! I know she is still taking the shots and will as long as the doctor says to. I just worry tht if she stops she will miscarry,but I guess the doctor will be the judgre of that!!! I am someone who knows nothing and is trying to make too many assumptions.  I am sure we will all be nervous tomorrow to see what the number will be, hopefully it will double. Could the number be low because the test was done sooner on her than some of the people with higher numbers?

[nshapland]

The dr won't let her quit taking the progesterone until the dr is sure her body can sustain the pregnancy on its own, so I wouldn't worry about that.
Good luck tomorrow. I'll say a little prayer for you all

[tgcmoore]

Thank you, I'll let you know what happens. So the shots are what is helping her stay pregnant, at least for now? This is all so interesting, it seems all so complicated to get pregnant, and to stay pregnant. I never realized how hard it is and yet millions have it happen without even thinking about it!!!

[nshapland]

Yes, the dr told me the corpus luteum (what is left behind when an egg is released) produces progesterone to sustain the pregnancy until the placenta develops. However, with ivf, the person doesn't ovulate naturally, so there is no corpus luteum, which is why those who do ivf take progesterone supplements.

[Kricket212]

What a caring Mom you are.  I wish my mom did this instead of bothering me.
If she is taking Progesterone shots then yes, this is what builds the uterine lining to help sustaine pregnancy.  It should be over 13 or so.  If higher then you know she got a good cusion in there for baby comfort. LOL

As far as twins go, it's way to early to tell...but if those #'s shoot up like crazy (like thousands) then maybe. I would say that with starting with the # 17 though...probably one.
When is her next test?  Remember it needs to atleast double

[tgcmoore]

I just talked to her and her numbers doubled but they said they want her to come back wednesday since the numbers started out low. She said they are cautiously optomistic.  so who knows what is next??? She did say she is feeling nauseated but is wondering if it is just her mind.

[nshapland]

I'm so glad they doubled. I know the waiting is awful.  I'll be thinking of you and your daughter. Let us know what happens, please

[Sherri90049]

That's great to hear that her beta doubled! Congratulations! Will pray they continue to double! That's great that her sister donated eggs. I am in a similar situation where that possibility is being discussed. It would be a last resort. And I haven't even decided how I feel about the idea. I guess I'd rather have an egg with the same genes as me. I just hope my sister doesn't look differently at the child like it's some how hers or something. Maybe she wouldn't and I'm just being paranoid. But I want to anticipate in advance what any of the issues or concerns might be. I'm curious how that all worked out with your daughters. But I understand if you don't want to get into that or if you're too busy with the pregnancy now. Was just curious and had to ask. I do wish her the very best for a happy and healthy nine months! :)

[trh0819]

I had my NT scan today and my mother called me FIVE times even though I had absolutely nothing new to tell her. I wish she were on here and bothering someone else. HA ha ha

And your daughter isn't imagining things. Progesterone mimics pregnancy symptoms and she's still taking prog, plus she's pregnant, so she's possibly getting double the effects right now. Totally normal. And going back for another test is normal, too. My RE checked mine three times even though my HCG was quite high. But when you go through IVF, some REs are just overly cautious and want to make certain everything is on track. Honestly, the more the RE wants to check progress, I say the better. I was going in every 7-10 days the first 9 weeks and it's what kept me sane. Now that I'm on to my OB and appointments every 4 weeks, I get nervous. Just have to pray and take it one day at a time.

[tgcmoore]

I think they only just doubled, like exactly doubled but I guess we'll take that!!!
Sshe said if everything looks ok wednesday then she will have to go back on Friday, so that is great they are doing that much checking.
My daughter who donated the eggs is 3 years younger and has a 2 year old daughter, she is the only child in the family on both sides and is the excitement of our family!!! My daughters both has discussed this a while ago and it was also a last resort. But My daughter wants her sister to have a baby so bad that I am sure she won't think anything odd toward the baby. They figured that sine all this is so expensive she had to do it and if she did her sister would be the closest to her genes. Ask me anything that you want to know, I will answer as long as I know the answers!!

[tgcmoore]

Your mom is just anxious, I can relate. My youngest daughter had a miscarriage with her first pregnancy so when she was pregnant a second time I think I drove her nuts asking all the time how she felt and if everything is ok...

when is your little one due?

I am still apprehensive since the doctor did tell her the numbers were a lot lower than they would like.

[nshapland]

If you are like me, you will be anxious until there is a baby in your daughter's arms.  That's normal, I think, for those of us who have had a hard time getting or staying pregnant. It's a cliche, I know, but you have to take it one day at a time.  It's all we can do : )

[tgcmoore]

Tomorrow is her third blood test...please prey that the numbers double again.

[nshapland]

I will. Please let us know what happens

[tgcmoore]

I am waiting for the call...very nervous!!!!!

[Kricket212]

I am praying for you, but really need a big jump since it's her 3rd should be increasing faster...Hang in there.

[tgcmoore]

She went this morning and she called me in the afternoon and it doesn't sound good at all. She said that it has a slight rise from 34 to 47...it didn't double.
She goes back friday to see if there is anything positive and to decide if they should  stop her medication. She said this was her last chance.

Does anyone know anything about adoption? They have spent so much money already and I hate them to spend more. The would be wonderful parents but she is very upset right now and that breaks my heart.

[nshapland]

I'm so, so sorry.  I know how devastating it is.  I'm not sure how much cheaper adoption is.  Maybe a younger egg donor?  I know there are programs that have money back guarantees for the donor program.  Go to http://attainivf.com/donor_egg.html.  Again, I'm so sorry.

[tgcmoore]

Do you think the age of the egg donor was part of the  reason?

[Sherri90049]

I'm so sorry to hear the latest beta result. They both went through so much to make this happen. This is just devastating. How old was your daughter that donated eggs? I don't think they'd have let her do it unless her FSH was good and the chance of success was good. So unless she was over 35 or 40, I wouldn't think her age would be a problem. Has your other daughter had all the tests to make sure her immune system isn't doing anything weird that might cause a m/c? (thyroid antibodies, ANA, phospholipid antibodies, etc.) She should have been able to keep this pregnancy. If they haven't done that whole battery of tests, I hope they will asap.

I take it there aren't any more embryos left frozen or anything? Adoption is very expensive from what I've heard. Anywhere from $30,000.00-50,000.00. Also depends where your daughter is at emotionally with this, if she'd even consider adoption at this point. Personally I'd like to see the drs try to figure out how to help her to not miscarry. But maybe she is tired after doing everything she's done. It's easy to say what I would do when I'm not in her shoes. That said, I had one friend and one family member who both adopted (after trying unsuccessfully to conceive for a LONG time) and became pregnant NATURALLY a month later! So basically when women give up, the stress goes away. They don't have to worry about TTC any more, and then BAM! The body is able to go back to doing what it was meant to do naturally.

I'm so sorry it didn't happen this time. I hope everything works out for her some how. She is lucky to have a mom who cares about her so much! Good luck! Please keep us posted!

[tgcmoore]

I wish it could happen for her but she seems to believe it won't. She just turned 38 in July and her sister is 34. My youngest daughter had a 2 year old and would like to have anoher but has put it off because of her sister. But she is getting older too. She had 9 eggs, 2 were great one and used and the others could not be frozen, which was stressful for her to realize this was her last chance . The night of the transfer my daughters dog had to be put to sleep, sudden ly a couple days earlier her kindeys started to fail and then 2 days later her husband had kidney stones and he had to take him in pain to ER in middle of the night and then leaving my house the other night had the police pull them over for no reason and because she drove to a safe place to stop (there was construction going on) they thought she was running, it was only about 1/8 of a mile she drove but they drew their guns and frisked them and put her in the baack of the police car and then searched her car. while searcing they found her badge...she works as an educator in jail. So she has had more than her share of stress lately.

[CA25]

Hi.... I am so sorry that you and your family are going through this :(....(((hugs)))).... God is able to do exceedingly and above of what we ask for! Every thing works out for the Good for those who Love the LORD!!! God is be with you at this time. Please know that miracles do happen and this could still be a viable pregnancy. Don't give up just yet!!! Its not what man say or numbers say its what GOD says!!!! Hang in there and GOD bless you and your daughters womb!!! <3

[seattleview]

Hi...I am only just now reading this thread and want to let you know how sorry I am about all the stress your family is experiencing.  It sounds like there might still be hope for this pregnancy, though?  Regarding adoption, it is pretty expensive (like what a previous poster mentioned...starting at around the $30,000 range) to adopt a healthy infant.  If your daughter is willing to consider an older child, or one with special needs, though, adoption can be significantly less costly (under $10k).  Best of luck to you and your daughters.

[mhv]

I hope when you daughter goes in Friday, she gets the most amazing news Ever!!
We will all be thinking of and praying for her and you!

I agree with the other ladies, I don't think they would have let your other daughter donate if didn't think she met the requirements... but having said that, a 20 something year old is going to have much more productive, healthy eggs.  (34-35 is usually the cut off for donors)

My DH and I are kind of experiencing the same thing.  Our donor was 32, and even though I got preggers with the first transfer I miscarried.  My was due to undetected adhesions in the uterus.  We had them removed, did 2 more transfers, and both BFN.  I know how frusterating it is and how damn expensive it is too.  We just had another surgery to remove 1 missed adhesion, and are going to try our 4th transfer using the same donor  we have 7 embryos left to try with. (she had 19 eggs that were frozen for us).

If this round is not successful, we are going to use a refund program.

Most refund programs using donor eggs are 100% refundable.  That means, if she doesn't take home a baby from the hospital, after all the available tries, they will refund ALL of the money.  There is a place in VA/MA/DE  named Shady Grove that has a shared donor plan that you play a flat rate of 28,000 for meds, donor, everything! and you only have to make 2 trips for their facility.  You get 6 fresh cycles and 6 frozen cycles and if you aren't successful, you get the 28,000 back.
The Attain  program works kind of the same way, you get 3 fresh cycles and 3 frozen cycles for about 25,000... but you have to pay for the donor fee and meds.  These are not refunded. But the 25,000 is.  I know that is expensive, but! if someone told you daugher she COULD take a baby home  and it is Guarenteed for 25,000 would she do it?  They of course have financing options too.  I think people pay that much for a car everyday... why not invest that money in a baby?  They last a lot longer, and don't depreciate : )  

She is so lucky to have her mom and sister right there beside her!  I wish I could confide in my mom and she would be there to hold my hand and wipe my tears through this!

Good luck to your daugher, and to you!

xoxo,
melissa

[tgcmoore]

Well, the nurse at the doctor office said they are handling it with caution, that it is unlikely but possible. She said tomorrow either the numbers will jump or will fall....but didn't sound too hopeful and they see this all the time.
Has that happened that you ahve heard of that numbers didn't double on the thirdd blood test and jumped at the 4th???
I know she would pay if she was guaranteed a baby but has spent a lot already...i would help her pay and so would a lot of family members...but i told her about the programs and said she was not a candidate because of endomitriosis and the failed ivf before...

[dscoqn]

I'm so sorry your daughter is going through this - the waiting to hear back if your numbers have doubled is excruiating.  I really hope there is a miracle and her numbers pick back up again xx

[tgcmoore]

The numbers rose but didn't double

[Sherri90049]

Oh no! I'm so sorry. I just read your answer above about the horrible stress she went through the night of the transfer. I can't believe it! I wouldn't be surprised if that was a MAJOR reason for this not succeeding. I had a dog for 11 years (he was like my child) who had to be put to sleep 2 years ago. I don't think I have ever been so devastated by anything else in my life. And I knew he had been sick for quite some time. Just even reading about your daughter going through it brings back all those memories and I can feel a physical reaction even.

So I can only imagine that the trauma she experienced at that point was probably extreme. There was probably a good bit of adrenaline going through her veins the whole time (esp w/getting pulled over by cops w/guns drawn, etc.) and that stress hormone is known to be bad for pregnancy. I hope your daughter will consider trying it at least one more time. I hate to think her last attempt was during such a difficult time when it would have been hard for anyone to successfully conceive. If she tries again during a less stressful time, maybe the outcome will be better. My heart goes out to you and her.

[tgcmoore]

All that trauma was horrible, I bet neverwill have anything close to all that happen at once ever again. At least I hope not. The problem is that her eggs are not good, they tried a few times, her sister is 34 and would like to try to have one of her own, but feels guilty if she does. I guess they could try once again with her donor eggs and see if it sticks. Another egg donor would be expensive again with all the testing and attorneys.
I guess it is up to her and what her doctor says. All problems would be solved if the numbers go up tomorrow!!!

[mhv]

Let's all pray the # go up!!! That would be such a blessing!  We are pulling for her and praying today gives her wonderful wonderful news!!!!!

~~~You tell your daughter that the endometriosis and failed IVF will NOT exclude her from the programs!!!!!  I have asherman's syndrome (adhesions in the uterus) that have been removed,  and have had 1 m/c w/IVF (fet) and 2 failed IVF's (fet's) and I STILL qualify!!!!  You can research these programs a little for her, Attain IVF, and Shady Grove... Attain IVF is awesome at answering calls over the phone and through email, (they would talk to you and answer questions, I am sure!)
and so is Shady Grove... SG will even give your daughter a free consultation over the phone if she's interested~~~

It would be sooo amazing if you and your family could help her financially!!!!  That is the 1 thing that stops sooo many of us!!!!  Any amount that you could help her with would be such a blessing!  And, make her feel like she still has a chance!
  I know there are like 3-4 ladies on here who are pregnant from Shady Grove, Mybabypooh just had her daughter and she went there, and there is a member Karone32 that is pregnant using Attain IVF... member B74 tried using her sister also, and now is doing Shady Grove w/donor. Tell her Do Not Give Up! : )  

Again, I wish I had the family support that your daughter does!  She is truly blessed!  

You are a wonderful wonderful mom!

Hugs!
Melissa

[tgcmoore]

Thanks Melissa and I will do as much research as I can. Where are these places located, we are in souther california...
Will let you know what happens today...keep fingers and toes and everything crossed!!!

[mhv]

Please!  Let us Know as Soon as you hear!!!  Everything is crossed!!!! Prayers are being said!

Well, shady grove is in Delaware, Virginia, Maryland~ but you only have to make 2 trips, 1 for all the counseling (donor), and for testing and sperm retrevial, then transfer date.  They let you do everything else through your local RE. ... and with Attain IVF, they have RE's in each state. Their Website show's which clinic's participate according to state.  . But you know, ALOT of RE's offer Refund programs w/donor eggs, you could just call RE's in your area and ask if they offer refund programs w/donor eggs. Attain and Shady Grove are just the most well known.

You daughter would probably appreciate your doing the "leg work" for her... it is very trying and stressful to try and do all of this yourself, as many on here can tell you : )

[tgcmoore]

Still waiting to hear...she went in at 8:00 am and it is now 1:30 pst. Don't know when she will hear or even if she will call....she called me wednesday but no one else...and have not talked to her since...

[Mariana101]

My mom is suffering for me as well. Mother's do that. I am having a missed miscarriage which is a miscarriage that the body does not detect but the baby's heart stops. Mine stopped at 6 weeks 4 days and now I am 8 weeks 3 days and next will they have to do a procedure to get it out. This was my only natural conception baby after 4 failed IVF.

Sending you hugs and I'm glad there are moms out there supporting their daughter in all this. The sad part is that you suffer as well as they do.

[nshapland]

Hang in there. I'm sorry you are going through this.  I will keep my fingers crossed

[tgcmoore]

Well, my son in law called me this afternoon and they found out today that again her numbers rose but didn't double. They went from 47 to 68. My poor daughter said she just wants to know either way. The doctor said they are cautious and she has to come back Monday and do another blood test.
Does anyone know why the numbers continue to rise? Could it be the progesterone is causing it or since she had 2 transfered to her maybe there is a problem iwth one and that is what is causing the slow rise? I know nothing about this so I have no idea. I think even the doctors office is surprised that this is happening.

[Mariana101]

Her numbers should be much higher but you never know......  what is bad is the fact that this situation is so exhausting... and dragging. I really feel bad for her.  I'm sorry.

FYI
#  3 weeks LMP: 5 - 50 mIU/ml
# 4 weeks LMP: 5 - 426 mIU/ml
# 5 weeks LMP: 18 - 7,340 mIU/ml
# 6 weeks LMP: 1,080 - 56,500 mIU/ml
# 7 - 8 weeks LMP: 7, 650 - 229,000 mIU/ml
# 9 - 12 weeks LMP: 25,700 - 288,000 mIU/ml
# 13 - 16 weeks LMP: 13,300 - 254,000 mIU/ml
# 17 - 24 weeks LMP: 4,060 - 165,400 mIU/ml
# 25 - 40 weeks LMP: 3,640 - 117,000 mIU/ml
# Non-pregnant females: <5.0 mIU/ml
# Postmenopausal females: <9.5 mIU/

[tgcmoore]

I don't get it, why would the numbers keep rising  but not doubling? I has only been 16 days since transfer and who knows when implantation occured. If there is no hope why does the doctor keep this dragging on? It is torturing my daughter and actually all of us the day results are due.I don't get any of this.

Could one of the two that were transferred be tryig to miscarry wheile the other grows and causes the weird numbers? That may be a dumb question but I still don't understand the entire process. The doctors office said that there is still a chance...but everything on here sounds like there isn't...my mind is so mixed up and i am sure hers is 1,000 times more than mine is...

[tgcmoore]

Tomorrow is the day for test #5... so confusing...how long will this go on. If it is going to be bad news why not just have a negative result the first time...

[Mariana101]

I feel your pain, but there is NOTHING you can do but wait and go with the flow. My body has not realized my baby died two weeks ago inside of me and I have not started the miscarriage so they are going to do it (forced a miscarriage) on Wednesday. There is so much that is unknown and we can't control it all all so just give your daughter as much support you can and we will pray for the best.
If it is not this time it will be a next time. I'm 41, she is 38... so she has time :)

[tgcmoore]

I am so sorry for what you are going through, how far along were you? How do you know it has died??? Sorry to ask...
This is the last time...no more money...we will look into some of the programs listed above but can't travel to other states.
What would cause the numbers to go a little higher???

[mhv]

I am really praying tomorrow brings wonderful news for you and your daughter.  I know it is soooo painful!  Another example is... my #'s after my first beta last year was 115, and a week later they were over 12,000... and I still misarried 2 weeks later.  The #'s are just plain confusing!!!!  We have no control over what is going to happen.  All we can do is wait and pray... I am so sorry!  

I hope that if this try doesn't work, that you are able to help your daughter reach her dreams... just remember.... the refund programs are just that!  If it would not work for your daughter, she would 70-100% of the money back... and if DOES work???? NO ONE WILL CARE HOW MUCH IT COST OR HOW LONG IT TAKES TO PAY OF THE LOAN!!!! :o)

I have my fingers and toes crossed for your daughter!  

Melissa

[ummansoor]

I believe she is.. If she's late she should take another test for a confirmation

[tgcmoore]

I'm still waiting to hear...but that is nuts how you how you had good numbers and still miscarried. It doesn't seem easy at all to get proegnat, very complicated yet is happens all the time...In my dad you never thought about it, just got pregnant and that was it and if you didn't you just accepted to not have children.
Well, today is the day that I am sure we will know...I doubt it will still just go up a little today...but I guess we didn't think it would continue this long.

[nshapland]

Please let us know what happens. I know the waiting is terrible

[tgcmoore]

Well, she didn't even call me, she texted me so she must be upset...it rose to 72.5. The doctor said it is a possible miscarriage with blighted ovum or possile ectoptic.  She goes back Wednesday for another blood test. The doctor doesn't want to stop since it is still going up...I think she must mean that he doesn't want to stop her progesterone injections.I hate to have her keep going through this...how long will this go on???

[happynifer]

it will go on until it starts to fall or she is far enough out to do an ultrasound to look for viable pregnancy.

maybe this is her miracle....

[trh0819]

Happynifer is right... until her number drops, the doc will likely keep her on proj in hopes of something positive becoming of all of this. The waiting is so difficult and this situation just makes it harder on your daughter as she doesn't have a definite to hold on to.  Just know she is covered in prayer... as are you. Praying for your strength.

[Brody641]

This will continue until the # drops....hopefully that won't be the case, but be prepared just in case.  

I've been reading this entire thread and the whole time all I can think is how lucky your daughter is to have such a wonderful mother and sister.  5 IUIs and 2 IVFs later and it feels that it has driven my mother and sister further away from me.  It's so weird and sad.  It's like they can't connect with me and have shut me out.  I'm 38 and my sister is 33 and I would've given all I had to hear her tell me that she at least wished she could've given me a round of eggs.  This whole thing *****.

[tgcmoore]

Thanks everyne for your caring and your prayers. So there is still hope??? I thought it was over if they don't rise? The waiting would be a lot easier if there could still be a happy ending.
I hope she realizes how lucky she is!!I know I am very lucky to have such wonderful daughters and a great son too. They are all very close and would do anything for each other. I just feel so helpless. The hard thing is my other daughter has a 2 year old and would like to have another one too since she isn't getting any younger but she feels like confused because she wants her sister to have one,
so now I guess we have to see what wednesday brings...will the numbers fall on their own if it is going to be a miscarriage??? So this can go on for a while???

[mhv]

I am so sorry this is happening!  I know how hard it is, believe me!  We are all praying for your daughter, please know that!  
I so agree with everyone on here!  Your daughter is sooo lucky to have you and the wonderful support system around her!  My mom doesn't even know I'm persuing fertility treatements.  Do you know how hard it is not to have your mom to lean on?   My mom is so negative about it all.... "If God wanted me to have a child, I'd get pregnant on my own"... ect... and not to mention my age... in her eyes, I'm to "old" to get pregnant.  She is soooo negative about it all! BUT... can't wait to rub it in when someone in the family gets pregnant!

Anyway.... Just be there for your daughter to share in her joy and in her dreams.  and to wipe a tear if need be.  
But always show her there is a way!!!  Please Don't let her give up! There are soooo many opportunities to keep her dream alive!  She deserves to be a mom just like her sister!!!! : )

I'm giving you a ((hug)) right now for being such a wonderful mom!!!

xoxo,
Melissa

[happynifer]

yes the numbers will stop increasing and start to drop on their own if this is not a viable pregnancy.  if they do an ultrasound and determine it's ectopic or are certain the baby isn't developing normally, they may suggest inducing a m/c with drugs or doing a d&c, but not until they are 100% sure this didn't work
there is always hope, but unfortunately i don't think it's likely unless she had 2 implant-the first one didn't make it and the second one did but implanted later...
you have each other as a family and that is more than many people have.
and her sister should not feel bad about having a second child of her own.  i wouldn't wish going through this on a stranger, let alone a loved sibling. yes part of her will always be a little jealous, but she'll be more happy for her than not.

[tgcmoore]

Her husband said that The doctor said if there is not a significant jump in her numbers today, she is to stop the meds and then will get another blood test to be sure the numbers are dropping and then get a shot to induce a period to flush it out. We will know for sure when they call later today
Does this sound right???

[mhv]

Yes, that sounds right.  If the numbers aren't climbing at an acceptable rate, it isn't a viable pregnancy.   Let's just all pray that they do jump!  We are waiting with you!  When I m/c'd my #'s dropped on their own, so I did not have to have a shot or any assistance.

xoxo,
M

[dideann]

I'm so sorry you are going through this I have been through all of it with my daughter. Years of infertility IVF miscarrige etc. Lots of stress and tears but this past Feb my daughter gave birth to triplet girls very early. The smallest was 1lb 15 oz the other 2 were about 2 1/2 lbs. All were in the NICU for almost 3 months but all doing good now still on apnea monitors. They are now 6 months and they are our miracle babies keep the faith god does answer prayer.

[tgcmoore]

Well, as we suspected it is bad ews today. Her numbers dropped a bit so they feel it is an impending miscarriage. She stops the progesterone injectons...she said she is upset because she feels this is her last try and she though something good would happenout of her losing her dog and her hsuband having the kidney stone and the police incident but she said she thinks not...i feel so bad for her...she said the age of her sister as a doner could have had something to do with it...but the positive side if there is one is that she DID get pregnant from it on her first real retrieval so that was soething positive...
Thanks everyoe for all your responces to help me understand and all your prayers...

[mich183]

That really *****, I feel horrible for your daughter!

[mhv]

I am so sorry everything ended this way.  Let's pray that this is quickly over for her and she can start to heal her heart. and you your's.  I think I forgot that you are in just as much pain as her.  For that I apologize.  
Unfortunately, so many of us on here know exactly what she is going through. We have been knocked down so many times, but we just get up, dust off our knees and find another route.  It's the only thing we can do.
But, this is not the end for her!  It is just the beginning of another journey that will bring her her dreams.  I know that with you as a mother, this is not the end.  You will help her lift herself up, and try again with a new donor.  It may seem impossible, but it isn't.  Not really.  there are so many refund and shared risks programs out there.  
Please keep in touch with us!  
xoxo,
M

[tgcmoore]

Thank you, you have been so  kind during this whole ordeal, everyone on this site has beenl...she said she is not up to it right now but wants me to look into all the areas, the shared rish plans and adoption also...can you helpme out with what I need to do about the shared risk info...like who to call and what I need to ask and tell them. I was lucky to just retire a month ago...luckily i worked for local govet and can retire early...this couldn't have been better timing...i have a lot of time to spend on this!!!
My daughter and her husband are going on vacation next week with us to Lake Tahoe...that couldnt have been better timing either for us all to get away...will the miscarriage interfer with her vacation???

[mhv]

You are so lucky to get to retire!  Ugh!  Of course, I'll be retiring with a 3 year on my hip at the rate I'm going! ha ha!
Your trip will be wonderful!  The only way it will interfer is that she will not be able to swim.  My husband and I went away for a few days during our m/c, and I just had to make sure I was "prepared" for the heavier bleeding.  Making sure I had the proper supplies... but I didn't mind... it was better then laying in bed feeling sorry for myself.  I broke down a couple of times, but it was a nice distraction.

I just want people to see that this doesn't have to be the end of the road!  We american's spend 30,000 on a car without blinking an eye and yet, we think that's to much to spend on getting a child?!?!  A child last a life time, a car about 10-15 years... if we keep them for that long.  And again... if it doesn't work... you get all or most of the $ back!  And you can re-join again after that!  Then she could take that $ and do adoption.  It just gives you peace of mind and options.  And, if you get embryo's to freeze... there are your future children!!!

Yep I  can help!!!! , Below are the doctors that participate in Attain in CA.   Don't know if any of these are close to your daughter's house?  You can call Rose Kelly at 1 -  8 66- 9 68- 7 483 with Attain (i split up the phone # it didn't get removed by MH).   She is sooo nice and will answer ANY questions you have!  I have spoken with her numerous times and she is always pleasant and informative.  

The only other suggestion I would have it to call area fertility clinics and just ask them if they have a share risk program or a refund program.  If they do, just ask them to tell you about it, and believe me! The questions you have will start pouring out!!!



*Valerie Baker  

Stanford Reproductive Medicine Center
900 Welch Road Suite 350 Palo Alto, CA 94304


*Barry Behr  

Stanford Reproductive Medicine Center
900 Welch Road Suite 350 Palo Alto, CA 94304


*Denise Cassidenti  

Reproductive Partners Medical Group
510 N. Prospect Ave. Redondo Beach, CA 90277


*Donald Galen  

Reproductive Science Center of the San Francisco Bay Area
3160 Crow Canyon Road, Suite 150 San Ramon, CA 94583


*Gabriel Garzo  

Reproductive Partners Medical Group
510 N. Prospect Ave. Redondo Beach, CA 90277


*Mary Hinckley  

Reproductive Science Center of the San Francisco Bay Area
3160 Crow Canyon Road, Suite 150 San Ramon, CA 94583


*Andy Huang  

Reproductive Partners Medical Group
510 N. Prospect Ave. Redondo Beach, CA 90277


*Ruth Lathi  

Stanford Reproductive Medicine Center
900 Welch Road Suite 350 Palo Alto, CA 94304


*David Meldrum  

Reproductive Partners Medical Group
510 N. Prospect Ave. Redondo Beach, CA 90277


*Amin Milki  

Stanford Reproductive Medicine Center
900 Welch Road Suite 350 Palo Alto, CA 94304


*Gregory Rosen  

Reproductive Partners Medical Group
510 N. Prospect Ave. Redondo Beach, CA 90277


*Carmelo Sgarlata  

Reproductive Science Center of the San Francisco Bay Area
3160 Crow Canyon Road, Suite 150 San Ramon, CA 94583


*Deborah Wachs  

Reproductive Science Center of the San Francisco Bay Area
3160 Crow Canyon Road, Suite 150 San Ramon, CA 94583


*Louis Weckstein  

Reproductive Science Center of the San Francisco Bay Area
3160 Crow Canyon Road, Suite 150 San Ramon, CA 94583


*Lynn Westphal  

Stanford Reproductive Medicine Center
900 Welch Road Suite 350 Palo Alto, CA 94304


*Susan Willman  

Reproductive Science Center of the San Francisco Bay Area
3160 Crow Canyon Road, Suite 150 San Ramon, CA 94583


*Arthur Wisot  

Reproductive Partners Medical Group
510 N. Prospect Ave. Redondo Beach, CA 90277


*Bill Yee  

Reproductive Partners Medical Group
510 N. Prospect Ave. Redondo Beach, CA 90277


Believe me!  If you do the leg work for, it will take so much stress and worry off of your daugher!  I spend hours researching, and thank God my husband agreed!  

xo,
Melissa

[tgcmoore]

Thank you sooooo much...redondo beach is not all that far...less than an hour which we will be easily able to do...the others are in thebay area, about 6 hours away...she lives in orange county and has gone to Pacific Reproductive Center in Irvine....she really likes them and from what I can see their success rate was decent...but I am not sure...
But I am pretty sure she would change in a second if she could do the shared risk program...

Thank you so much again and I will do the legwork...anything that will take the stress off her...i want her to be happy. My sister said she would help too...but she doesn't have the time I do now that I am not working...(actually my boss called me abck to work 3 weeks while someon else was out but I only have 1 more week of that before vacation).AND she has the PERFECT husband...he will do whatever she wants as far as this goes...wish me luck and anything else anyone can reccommend for us PLEASE don't hesitate to let me know on here or by email ***@****
thank you so much

[mhv]

no problem!  It's really easy to reach attain.  just go to Attain IFV. com    

My husband caved in pretty easily too.  the point of the matter is, they want to be fathers just as badly as we want to be mothers.  So, they are willing to do just about anything to make their dreams come true too
.  Again, your daughter is so lucky to have you on her side.  She should feel honored that she has you.  I would give my right arm for my mother to give me 1/2 the support you have given your daughter.


If you want to post your email... you have to but breaks in it so MH doesn't remove it.  
example:  Janesmith @  ---. com  like I did the phone #.  

please let me know as soon as you speak with someone!  I am so intersted in hearing what you find out!!!!  

good luck!
M

[amandamae1126]

I just wanted you to know that I have been following your/daughters story for a while now. I have been praying for the both of you. It's a tough situation and she is so lucky to have a mom like you. That is so kind of you to do the research for her. She probably feels horrible right now, but you can bring her some hope of new options.

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in and say that a vacation is PERFECT right now for her. I had a vacation planned and it happened to fall one week after my miscarriage. It was so refreshing to be around family and have their support. Like someone else said, the only interference was that I couldn't go swimming or sit in water (like a bath or hot tub). But my SIL took me to the spa for a foot detox (AWESOME), tanning, massage, and a ton of other things. My family was super sensitive and chose to not go swimming or even mention it, although it was easily 100 degrees outside! Also, I did tend to feel sleepy on some days as the process is exhausting, so my family planned in some "do nothing" or rest time each day just in case I did want to nap.

I will continue to pray for you all. Sorry it ended not so well. Keep being so supportive of your daughter...she's lucky to have you! Not every one has mom's like mine! :)

[tgcmoore]

I am lucky to have found all of you...you have all been through so much yet are free to discuss all this which for me has been so helpful. I will call today and see what info i can get from them Attain IVF...
I am also luckier than my daughter to have her...I have the best kids in the world...while all of this fertility stuff was going on with the donor stuff my kids therough me a retirement party inviting over 60 people who i love and it was at my daughters house (the one trying to conceive) Her and her husband made it look like it was professionally coordinated and they stopped at nothing for me...it was a perfect thing for me so to help her is the least i could do...

[dideann]

Who was your daughters dr at pacific reproductive?my daughter used them also only the torrance office her dr was Dr salem who is the founder and director he was awesome like I said after yearts she now has triplets. If he wasn't her dr you might want to check into that. I am praying for your daughter

[tgcmoore]

She had doctor Abdella (or something like that). I only met him once under weird circumstances...he was doing surgery on her and I was there with her and my son in law and it was raining and he was stuck in traffic and showed up 3 hours late. That 3 hours seemed like an eternity to us and then because he was so late the surgery schedule did not allow him to operate until after 3 in the afternoon...we had gotten to the hospital at 5:30 am for a 7 am surgery. He was very apologetic and nice...How old was your daughter?

[dideann]

My daughter had her girls this year at 30 she has been married almost 9 years and been trying all that time. There's was a combination of both her and her husband but god was faithful and blessed them he will your daughter to keep the faith. There are some good drs in so cali though.

[tgcmoore]

I don't much about the fertility doctors...knew nothing until this happened to her...if you don't mind me asking, was the cost very high before she had the triplets?

[dideann]

Actually she was working for time warner cable and her insurance covered most everything I think they had to pay some of the meds and forb the surgery the husband needed so it migjt have cost 3000 so she was blessed

[tgcmoore]

Have you ever heard of ARC for the refund programs...i called them...they have places down here that can help...

[tgcmoore]

Oh my goodness..how fortunate....they have paid so much...I know myself and my dad have given them money and her and her husband have spent a fortune...just recently the medication has been covered but nothing else...with the egg donor evedn though it was her sister they each had to get an attorney..just a technicality but still had to be done at a high cost...that is why I wish they could still do it but not have to pay...oh well...
How are the babies doing??? Where were they born???

[dideann]

They are doing good they are all still on apnea monitors they were born at Whittier Presbetarian hospital we live in whittier they have a great nicu there. My husband and I paid for the surgery my son in law needed but it was worth it. Where do u live?

[tgcmoore]

I live in whittier too, all three of my kids were born there!!! My cousins daughter is a nurse in the maternity area and my son's good friend from school is too!!!
What a small world...where do you live in whittier?

[dideann]

I will email you we have lived in whittier 30 years my husband grew up in whittier I live north of Whittier blvd off Janne.

[tgcmoore]

We live in unicorporated whittier off santa gertrudes south of Leffingwell and North of imperial. I have lived in whittier my whole life!!! My parents live north of the blvd off Ocean view!!!
Did you remember seeing any nurse at the hospital named Brittany or Tricia? Those are the 2 we know...

[dideann]

Yes I believe I saw a tricia where did u go to high school and where did your kids go I sent u an email let me know if u got it. My husband grew up around where u live he went to Lowell High school