2ww pals;lj307,ms320,helen72,heathjo,empty

[ms320]

Hi Helen,
I haven't done IVF before, but my RE suggested we give it a try due to my age.  I am a patient at Cornell in NYC - they are pretty much the biggest outfit in town.  There web site is IVF.org, and they have some good general information available.  We haven't tried IUI, my RE didn't think it would give us the best chance.  I am totally okay with that, though, since my insurance will cover up to $50,000 for fertility.  I have a few friends around your age who were successful via IVF on the first try, and one who was successful on her second try.
Sorry to hear about the BFN :(  Enjoy a big fat drink at Christmas

[Helen72]

Thank you for your encouraging words.  I'll have a drink to your success!

[Lexima]

Hi Guys, how is everyone doing?

I'm so confused.  Today is 16DPO. CD33 and still no AF, but keep getting BFN.  I'm not feeling any symptoms just some very mild lower back ache.  I'll wait till Thursday then go for a blood test.

I don't remember the last time I had such a long cycle.

Any thoughts?

[Helen72]

Was anything different with your meds this cycle?  Were you taking progesterone sup's for the first time?  Meds can really mess your cycle up.

[Lexima]

Yep, this was the first month on progesterone suppositories, but not with injections.  I can't think of any other reason why AF would be delayed.  

[empty]

hi guys

I have access today  at where i am staying. Merry Christmas guys.

Annabrita i am so sorry.I did want to know how you went. Dont worry i will be here next month! Still no symptoms for me.

Lexima - this happened to me last month -i was a week late and this has never happened before.

LJ - that great news that  acupuncture is helping. I am thinking of trying it too!

Miss you guys!!!

[Lexima]

Hmmm....Interesting.....Just out of curriosity what meds are you on?

[annabrita]

hello everyone and Merry Christmass to everybody.i'm still trying to recovere from the stress from family get together yesterday.my in-laws pissed me up big time and all along i kept telling myself"things could've been better if i had my own baby".my mother in law is a pain in the butt.she doesn't know i've been ttc forever.she keeps saying i don't want to give her a male child.i was like poor thing!!!!i don't need a particular sex,i just need a baby.
  i'm praying that 2008 brings us all who have been ttc the joy of our heart

Lisa,yeah i think my lab is in peru.i can't stand the Quest labs

[ms320]

Merry Christmas everyone.  I am finally free of my physical family and wanted to check in with my cyber family - you know - the one I actually like.  LOL.  I guess at this point we can basically write each others Christmas wish list.  Hmm.. let me see:  baby, baby, baby, baby and baby. That pretty much covers it.

Lexima: I a not on any meds, but two months ago had a really long cycle.  Still don't know the cause - maybe just one of those things.

[Helen72]

Annabrita,
so sorry about your in-laws.  I guess I am lucky that my in-laws never want to talk to me  :)
I do feel lots of pressure from my family about having a child and it is sooo difficult to bear!  

But, just like Mary said, at least my cyber family is more understanding.
I hope the new year will bring BFPs for all of us!

[LJ307]

Well I guess I'm lucky I don't have in-law!  lol.  

Yes, I love my cyber-family. (-:

My mom said to me yesterday that I was more organized than my sister only because I don't have two little babies running around the house like she does.  Innocent enough thing to say, but she knows I'm ttc and am very, very worried about my prognosis.  It just felt like a knife in my chest.
Sort of like "Well at least she has children."

On the positive side I have very lovely neices.  Two of which offered me their eggs, should I need a donor and one of which said she'll think about being a surrogant for me next year.  So, I do have the best neices on the planet!

Yes, may the new year bring ALL of us BFP's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HeathJo]

AMEN!!!! BFPs 2008!

[ms320]

2008 - the year of the BFPs. That is what we all deserve

[Lexima]

Right back at ya with the best wishes for 2008!!!  This HAS to be our year.

AF arrived this morning, and now I'm officially on the break from all the meds and stuff, in a way it feels good.  Of course we'll try naturally, but what are the chances.  I'm debating whether I should start monitoring BBT I've never done that, don't know if I want to take on this task.

I'm since I'm not on any meds I'm gonna get my final wisdom tooth removed this month so it doesn't bother me on vacation.  Not something I look forward to, but I was always afraid that anasthesia or antibiotics will interfere with fert. med and then I was afraid to do it in the 2ww.

[Helen72]

I am glad that everyone seems to have survived Christmas with their families!  I know when you ttc those gatherings can be painful.

Lexima,
I started doing BBT consistently last month.  It's a little addictive and many people on this forum try to over-analyse their temps.  Overall, BBT tells you when your fertile period is over.  It can also give you a good idea of whether you ovulated at all.  However, it does not tell you anything about being pregnant which is where lots of confusion arises since people try to read too much into BBT fluctuations that are often quite random.  
Good luck with your dental appt!  I am so happy I have no wisom teeth.  

[LJ307]

I just stared BBT last month also.  Although  I only did it for about a week because I got that lovely FSH nightmare and gave up all hope for a time.  I guess I'll have to start again.  Tell if me if I'm wrong, but can't it help for figuring out of your pg?  I thought if you are than your temp. will stay high and may rise after o, otherwise shortly after the temps. decline again?  Is that right?


Still can't stop thinking about my nieces offers.  They want their aunt to be a mom just as bad as I do.  It makes me smile whenever I think about it.  (-:  

2nd round of Acupuncture last night....   (-:

Helen are you still in NY?
Empty how's the vacation going?  I think everyone in our group has gotten BFN's by now so it's up to you!!  No pressure.  (-:

[Helen72]

It's very sweet of your nieces to offer to donate their eggs.  However, IVF is sooo expensive.  I just started researching.  I hope you don't have to go that route.

BBT goes up after O and stays up till AF shows up.  If you are preggo, BBT may go up (triphasic shift) or down (implantation dip) around the time of implantation or stay the same.  So, basically it does not tell you much when you are in tww although when around 14 dpo it goes down you know that AF is coming.  

I am still in NY waiting for AF to arrive.  I hope it's late in which case I may do another IUI this cycle right after we come back.

Lisa, are you just running more tests this coming cycle or will you be doing IUI?

[annabrita]

hello ladies,you will not believe this.i just called my dr's office and got a message that the office is clossed till jan 2nd.Now tell me how i'm suppose to get my clomid order.that dr didn't even have the courtesy to inform us that the office will be clossed for this long.i really don't want to begin the new year in this spirit.

[LJ307]

Helen,  Yes very sweet of them.  I'm sure I can't afford the IVF route either unless I marry in the next few years to a man with deep pockets.  (-:   I hear with donor eggs most clinics will accept women up until 50 for IVF.  So, who know what the future holds in that regard.  For now, I'm not even able to afford injectables on my own. BUT, I do hope to do an IUI this cycle.  It is all dependent on finances since donor sperm is not cheap and I don't know how much of the HSG and u/s my insurance is going to cover.   If I'm able to swing it financially,  It'll most likely be middle of Jan..  I'm thinking 16th probably.  Unless Clomid upsets this cycle and I'm late.  And you - when do you anticipate the next IUI for you will be?

Thanks for the info. on BBT.  It is very new to me.

annabrita:  I can't believe your clinic!  They just don't seem to get how important their services are to women ttc do they?  Jeesh.....Have you considered looking around for a more accomodating clinic?  I'm so sorry you are having to wait so long.  Check out the internet for Clomid prescripts.  I think you can locate some companies that do 48 hr shippments without a 'script.  

[annabrita]

hello liz,thanks for the imput.i've decided to change clinics.i just bare knew this doc and her services do not meet my demands.i'll go ahead and make an apt with a reproductive endo.tomorrow.AF has not shown up yet.still playing the usual game.i wish she can hold up till i get this clomid stuff inorder.
  hope everybody had a wonderful day.
will keep you updated

[ms320]

Hi everyone,

Well, since my cycle was so screwed up last month, it looks like I will go down this home stretch solo.  I am 7DPO, no signs, no symptoms.  I am going to try to ignore everything, and try to gear up for next month's IVF.  This way, if I get a BFN I will be prepared.  
LJ307 - You must have the most awesome neices.  It is truly a testament of how highly they think of you.
Helen - Glad to hear AF hasn't shown up yet.  It ain't over until AF sings

Here's to a wonderful 2008.

By the way, I am planning on hitting one of those mega lottos this year - if so, free fertility treatment for all my TWW pals :)

[Helen72]

Annabrita,
you can get a clomid prescription on line although if you get to see your RE in the next few days (before cd 5) you can get a prescription through your new provider.  My doc will not give a prescription without checking for cysts first.  I knew I will be in NY so I ordered one on line but sadly it did not arrive before we left.  But on the brighter note, AF seems to be late which means I can have that IUI done this cycle around Jan. 9 (unless LH surge comes early)!  
I am still spotting so I know I am not preggo. Hoping AF does not come till tomorrow!

Lisa,
I know how expensive treatments can be.  You can find more affordable drugs and injectables on line.  I know someone on this forum (kidergal I think) who orders her injectables from some place abroad.  Of course you may have to wait to get those.

Mary,
when are you testing? IVF protocol typically starts at the end of the previous cycle.  Will you get a test before this cycle is over or just wait another month?  We decided to go for IVF if our next 2 IUI's fail.  Having that decision makes things easier since we have a well-defined plan.  So, I know how you feel when you say that you are "prepared" for a BFN.  Treatment is the best cure!
Good luck with he lotto!

[Helen72]

Where are you?  Have you started a new cycle yet?  Are you going au naturelle?  We miss you!

[ms320]

The IVF protocol set forth by my RE is a little different than most others I have heard about here on the forum.  If AF shows up this month, I start monitoring for O around CD8.  10 days after LH surge is detected I begin an estrogen patch every other day and three days of ganirelix - this is some sort of priming phase.  I then wait for AF to show up again, and go in on day two for US and to begin stimulation protocol.  We were actually delayed one cycle because my clinic closes from Mid Dec until after the New Year - otherwise, I would be right in the middle of the priming phase.
Good luck with the next IUI - hopefully you won't need IVF.

[HeathJo]

Sorry I haven't posted in a while--my family puts the "fun" in dysfunctional! I won't even go into it, it's so not worth it.

I am going "au naturelle" this month due to not being able to see the RE until Jan 24th. I am curious as to what she will recommend. I am not going to bother with the BBT thing either, as I know it will just confuse me and become the center of my life. I am not good at stuff like that--charting, interpreting this crazy body of mine!

IVF has been on my mind a lot as well.After reading Lisa's post about IUI success rates vs. IVF, it really makes me wonder what makes the most sense. I have no idea what my insurance will or will not cover concerning IVF, but they did not cover the IUI so I am sure we will have to pay out of pocket. I really do not know how much IVF costs--do any of you?

I am so very sorry for all of the BFNs and clinics that close with no notice--that is inexcusable. Thank God we have each other or we'd all probably go nuts!

[Helen72]

HeathJo,
I started doing my IVF homework.  I found an excellent place on CDC website that posts success rates for all clinics in the US.  I am studying that data most of my free time here.  The link is:
http://www.cdc.gov/art/
Scroll down and download the latest 2004 xls table.  It has sooo much info and will help you to select a good provider.  It also gives you success rates for different clinics by age group.   Make sure that RE you are going to in Jan. has decent IVF success rates (around 40% for our age group).  Also, look at the difference between pregnancy and live birth rates; a discrepancy may mean more high order multiples and higher miscarriage rates.  
I have not talked to my doc yet about IVF but on line it looks like the out-of-pocket costs will be around $10K.  My insurance does not cover treatments but with two of us working we can afford one IVF cycle.  I hope to have another IUI around Jan 9 and will ask my doc for the info at that time.  I'll keep you updated on what I learn.

[LJ307]

I just wanted to let you know my circumstance in terms of IVF's success is due to my age.  After 40 is when IVF success rates decline.  By, the age of 42 and with high FSH they decline even more dramatically.  Both of you are young enough that I think IVF will be very successful for both of you.  The clinic I go to has a 75% success rate with IVF.  That is with women under the age of 40 using their own eggs and over the age of 40 using donor eggs.   If I could afford it, I don't know that I would do any more than 3 IUI's before going to IVF.  The success rates for IVF are so much higher.  IUI's aren't much more successful than natural conception.  Why is it wonderful women like us have these challenges and other women who I won't even give the glory of naming (Heathjo - I think you know who I mean) can get pregnant so easily!   I checked out the under 34 preg. forum out of curiousity and there is a 21 year old on there asking for adivse on the best type of abortion because she got herself knocked-up and thinks she's too young to have a baby!  Sorry, if this sounds harsh, but man it just erks me!!!!

We shall perserver and have BFP's!!

[annabrita]

liz,i agree with you 150%.yes why us?????? but it's all okay cos we'll never get an answer to the WHY.only HIM knows why.

helen,i'm so happy for you.everything will work out as planned.
i've also decided to go au naturelle this month.i did make an apt with a new RE for jan 8th.that's supposed to be my OV day.i'll just get myself ready for iui in feb if things don't work out next month.
AF came today with a vengeance.can barely sit up with the cramping.

Mary,welcome back

[HeathJo]

Helen--thanks for that resource, I am going to the site tonight! I wll also conduct some other research and let you know if I learn anything of interest prior to my appt. I am praying your IUI on 1/9 will result in your BFP, though!

LJ--Thanks also for your information. Couldn't you finance an IVF? I could lend you maybe 2K if you needed it, seriously. And, yes, I know the stupid brat to whom you are referring on this forum. My post to her today was, quite simply, that she is a waste of time. I won't even go to the pregnancy forums because I would probably go postal about abortion topics!!!!

Annabritta--Sorry AF is so bad for you this month. She is almost gone from me, and it is a relief. Get out your heating pad and make a hot cup of tea, and settle in with me for a drug-free month and BDing the old-fashioned way!

Lex--I have to get some dental work done as well. I never lost two of my baby teeth molars, and in September one of them cracked and I had to have it pulled. (Thank God it is on the side of my mouth or I'd look like a hag!) Now that the gum has healed I need a tooth implant. Yikes! Best of luck with your wisdom teeth.

Mary--it is indeed nice to have you back around. I will eneter the Texas lotto and if I win, we will all get fertility meds & treatments until our BFPs, at which time we will go on a spa vacation so we can meet!!

[ms320]

Hi everyone.

Annabrita - Sorry about AF.  Those heat wrap pads work pretty well for cramping.  They do not get as hot as real heating pads, but they do stay warm for almost 8 hours.  I have used them sometimes to get through my work day.  Of course, a few glasses of wine can never hurt.  
Hope you are feeling better.

Helen -  That was a great resource.  Thanks.  I actually try not to look too closely at the success rates though, because my age puts me at really lousy odds.  I do take solace in the fact that I was able to become pregnant naturally last year - it just didn't stick.  I know it is an uphill battle, but I am not quite ready to throw in the towel yet.

Lexima - hope that wisdom tooth extraction goes smoothly.  I have actually been putting work of my own off.  I am always hoping to be pregnant - so far no such luck.

LJ - It really is upsetting when you see posts like that - or hear of stupid young children like that Jamie Lynn Spears - getting knocked up at such a young age.  Every time I see some woman driving with her kids jumping around the car I want to get out an beat her.  Sorry - I am going to my mean place

[Helen72]

Annabrita,
so sorry about the cramps.  If it makes you feel any better, i am in the same boat.  AF came with a vengence and I can barely walk.  Oh well, I guess we'll be in 2ww together next month since we are again on the same schedule.

So AF was a little late for me and there is a possibility of another IUI this cycle right after we come back from our vacation.  Again, i am not taking any meds and my doc will not give me a prescription without rx visit.  Should I do another IUI without meds?  What do you guys think?  
I am leaning towards doing it.  Will probably use that visit to ask for his IVF protocol and other info.  Besides, LJ will need an IUI buddy in January :)
This way we can start the year on the optimistic note!

[HeathJo]

That IVF CDC site was very, very helpful. Thanks SOOOOOO much. I am going to see an RE with the Presbyterian Hospital ART program here in Dallas, and their numbers looked real good.

I think you should try an IUI this cycle, or at least ask if they can track your follies with an u/s to be sure it is worth it. Why not? I have heard of people on this forum getting a BFP with one follicle and IUI. Besides, it is much more cost-effective than IVF, and I have heard that one should try 3 iuis before moving on to IVF.

Were you taking Clomid before or using injectables like gonal-f? Personally, I am going to ask to switch to gonal-f because I would only get 1 follie with Clomid, and plus I have seen sooo many success stories on this forum of people using gonal-f and trying with BD, IUI and IVF. But, I do not know if you ovulate on your own or not. . .

When is your appointment? I am very interested in hearing what you bdecide and about the IVF protocol there.

[Helen72]

I took clomid back in the summer.  Right now I am not taking anything so there is no reason to monitor my follicles.  I just have one each month, I guess.  I do O on my own but my early spotting can be a problem and clomid did solve that for me.  
Thanks for your advice on IUI.  I start monitoring my LH surge in about 10 days.  Hopefully, I don't O before we are back in Austin.
Based on those IVF statistics I decided to stay with my current doc for IVF.  I am glad you found those useful.  I'll keep you posted about our progress.  I have to schedule an appointment on the day I detect the surge.  I am on cd1 today.  So,..... a very different 2ww now.

Injectables seem to be very effective and they do not thin your lining like clomid.  So, that's a good way to go.  Of course, you'll have to inject them  :(  

[HeathJo]

This may sound dumb, but what is an LH surge? Is that the same as o'ing? Do you use the OPK for that? When do you get back to Austin? I am on CD6. . .should I start using an OPK around day 10 also? (Sorry for all these questions!)

Hopefully I can go to injectables, as my lining was already thinning quite a bit after just two months using Clomid. I don't mind shots--I had plenty when my neck was hurt. They thought for a while that I had rheumatoid arthritis, so I injected Enbril in my stomach every day for several months. Plus, I still inject a Vitamin B shot in my arm every two weeks.

[annabrita]

thank you guys for keeping me going.i,m using the heating pads and so far so good.AF flow is very heavy this month i wonder why!!!!

Heathjo,i'm pretty sure LH surge determines that you will be ovulating in 24-36hrs.most people usually start testing from cd10 but that will depend on you though.yes;i've read about success stories of people who get off fertility meds and yet get pregnant.who knows ,this might be the route for us this cycle, lol

Liz,are you okay??? we haven't heard fro you today.hope all is well.

Helen,yes we're stuck together girl.will be in thesame 2ww boat again.

thank god it's friday...another long weekend

[Helen72]

LH is a hormone that surges before you O.  This is what OPKs test for.  Once LH surge is detected you will O within 24-48 hours.  When to start testing will depend on the length of your cycle and when you typically O.  OPKs come with instructions that will tell you when to start testing depending on the length of your cycle.  I know I typically detect LH surge around cd12-13 so I start testing around cd10.  Your cycle may be completely different though.
Good luck!
p.s. do not buy a digital OPK.  They are too expensive and they do not work.

[HeathJo]

Thanks for the info. I am buying some OPKs tomorrow. Oddly, though, I had pain in both ovaries the last two days, and BAD pain in my right ovary today. Then, the pain subsided a bit and I saw EWCM with a bit of brown (TMI), as AF was here 12/23 to 12/26, so maybe leftover. I just wonder if I O'd REALLY early, it being CD6 and all.

The only problem with OPK for me is that my one diagnostic criteria for PCOS is high LH levels and low FSH levels all the time. Maybe the Clomid from the last two months will help me O on my own this month. Or, maybe I will O on my own and can figure out when.

I hope we both get BFPs this month with no meds :-)

[LJ307]

Hi Everyone!! I have missed all you ladies so much!!   I was without a computer for a few days and right now I'm in Seattle visiting relatives and am using my sister's laptop.  I only have a few minutes, so I can't type much now.  I won't be home until maybe Tuesday!!  I'll for sure catch up with all of you then.  Started AF today, so here begins the road to a new cycle!

Annabrita: I too am sorry to hear about your cramping. I hope your feeling better.  The only thing that helps me is Vicodin, and/or tons of ibuprofen.  Yes He knows much more than we!

Mary - no need to apologize those women/girls make me go to my mean place too!

HeatherJO:  Thank you for the generosity, you truly are such a beautiful human being!   I'll send you a pm.   LH stands for lutenizing hormone, it's what your body releases during the luteal phase of your cycle to tell your body to release the egg.

Helen: Thanks for the great website.  I'll check it out.  You are doing au  natural this cycle?

Since AF stared today, I'll be starting Clomid this coming week, have my HSG in a week or so, then my mid-cycle u/s and IUI - given the $$ turns up.  Here's to cycle day 1.....anyone else doing IUI along with me this month also?

If I'm not able to access a computer in the next few days I'll be thinking of all of you!  It's amazing how often you all cross my mind throughout the day.  

[HeathJo]

We luv u 2!!!

[Lexima]

Hi Guys,
Just wanted to wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy New Year that includes lots of BFPs.
I want to thank all of you for being so supportive.  I don't know how I lived before without this forum.

I'm on a break this month and I feel good about it, I needed this.  I'll restart next month.

Talk to you later

[Helen72]

Lexima,
Seems like people who take a break have good success rates.  I hope your vacation is relaxing.  With all of the meds you were taking I am sure you need this.
I went to Rockefeller center with dh last night and the place was filled with kids and strollers; we could barely move.  Made me soooo sad!!!
LJ,
enjoy Seattle!  It's a great city.  I may be back in time for my second IUI so I hope to keep you company.
Annabrita,
I hope you are feeling better!

[Lexima]

Helen,
I hate rockefeller center around christmas time.  It's very pretty don't get me wrong, but it's a nightmare with all the people.  I work on 48th and 5th it's impossible to even go out to lunch during the holidays.
I just ordered Pre-seed will try that this month.  I read a lot of success stories.  Somehow it's always been my concern that all the meds are drying out the environment for the sperm Sorry for TMI.  When I asked my RE he said that Clomid does, but injections don't.  He didn't even know what pre seed was.  It's not that expensive and the shipping is free so why not I'll try it.

Is there any way to check what's happening with your scar tissue without having any invasive procedures.  Hopefully it hasn't returned back and you get to do another IUI.

[ms320]

I am with you. Rockefeller Center is a nightmare at Christmas time.  I is actually quite beatiful at midnight, but trying to maneuver through the crowds during lunch can be crazy.  It is only made more torturous by the plethora of adorable children and babies.  Sometimes I can actually feel my heart breaking.

Anyway, back to the issue at hand.  I use Pre-seed and think it is worth it.  In the grand scheme, it is relatively inexpensive.  Early-pregnancy-tests.com even throws in a few free pregnancy tests for those of us who are obsessed with POAS.  Enjoy your break - sometimes you really need to put your mind to rest and stop living cycle to cycle.  I am 10dpo and have no symptoms at all. (although I did feel some minor cramping yesterday which is a little weird for me)  A few more days and I'll know for sure.  If I am not pregnant this time, my next step will be IVF . My protocol will actually force me to take a break this month, with the retrieval/transfer to happen by mid Feb.  Maybe I won't need it.

[ms320]

When you mentioned that you were going to NY for the holidays, I didn't realize you meant NYC - I assumed you meant Upstate somewhere.  Had I known, I would have offered to buy you that Holiday drink at one of my favorite watering holes.

Happy New Year

[HeathJo]

It is so bizarre that all of ya'll are from/live/vacationing in NYC. I used to date a guy who lived there, but he was boring and the cost of flying back and forth was not worth it.

ALL OF YOU STAY AWAY FROM ROCKEFELLER CENTER! I have stayed here in Texas, so no chance of me running into it. Still, everywhere I look there are young, beautiful, anorexic rich ******* with beautiful kids speed-walking with their strollers around my neighborhood. Bitter, party of one, your table is ready! (That's me right now)

Lex--Thanks for the well wishes. Best of luck during your break, and right back at ya! I am on a break, too. God only knows what my screwy system will do!

Mary--I am very interested in hearing how PreSeed works for you. I really hope it does so you can save the $$$ of IVF. BTW, what is the concept behind PreSeed? I guess I should Google it--I have gotten lazy because you guys always know everything.

Helen--Hurry back here and get your IUI! Plus, Texas feels lonely without you!

Annabritta--I hope AF is packing her bags, as I know this was a hard cycle for you. What is your next step?

TO REINFORCE LEXIMA'S SENTIMENTS, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO MY AWESOME CYBER-FAMILY, AND MAY ALL OF OUR BABIES HAVE BIRTHDAYS IN THE YEAR 2008!!!!!

[ms320]

Pre-Seed is supposed to mimic the environment of cervical mucous.  While ther are many lubricants on the market, Pre-seed is supposed to be the only one that is "sperm freindly"  Even saliva is supposed to damage sperm. This may be TMI: but DH says it "feels good"  Whatever, another thing that makes the man feel better.   Anyway, the more friendly the environment, the greater the chance of healthy sperm reaching their destination - you egg.  

[Sil82]

I am 10 DPO and couldnt resist to POAS. BFN . very upset. Do you guys think it is too early for a BFP and I can stilll be in the game???

[ms320]

What a way to end 2007.  I am at work today - I am a physical therapist working in the outpatient area of a hospital.  During the holidays, there is a lot of coverage because so many people want to take days off.  I had a patient who was a chatty older gentleman.  Talked about his work before retiredment, his hobbies and his family.  I encourage patients to talk, because it creates more of a personal experience rather than a mill type atmosphere.  Anyway, he then asks me if I have any children.  Dagger to the heart, but I have had the question before.  Even though it is really nobody's business, I simply answer no and leave it at that.  Did he get the hint; of course not.  He then went on to tell me that I look like I am almost in my mid 30's so I better get moving.  What is wrong with people.  It is none of his business and to top it off, I am actually 43 (I didn't say that to him).  I couldn't even get angry, because that would be totally unprofessional.  Wait, it gets better.  One of the support staff workers obviously overheard the conversation and chimed in.  Oh, Mary doesn't want kids.  She just likes to play with everybody else's kids.  It's probably a good thing she doesn't have kids of her own.  This from a 20 year old girl who had to get married 3 years ago when she got pregnant.  I even bought her baby a present.  Is it me, or has the world gone insane???!!!!

[Helen72]

Mary,
I am so sorry!  People just can't get a hint!  I think we all get the same from our relatives and outsiders.  The first year I was ignoring them but as years go by it's becoming more and more difficult not to take these remarks personally.  For me there is one cure: BFP.  I hope we all get it soon.

Sil82,
sorry about the BFN  :(   However, you tested WAY too early.

Also, thanks for everyone's support about the Rockefeller Center.  I am glad I am not alone who gets depressed about people with kids blocking your way.  My dh thinks I am being mean when I start moping about other people getting prego so easily.  Men just don't get it!  Thank God for my cyber family!!!

Happy New Year to All!!!

[Sil82]

Thanks Helen for the response. Waiting for new year to bring more joy.

Wishing you all a very happy and wonderful New year. Hope all your dreams come true in the year ahead.

[Lexima]

Mary - sorry you have to deal with these ignorent people on New Years eve.  Hope this is a symptomless BFP
Few days ago I went to the store with my best friend (sort of).  She had twins last year.  Anyways she was telling me a story of someone that she knows that a girl couldn't get pregnant for 5 years and they kept going through the dr and different treatements, then gave birth to triplets.  All this time while she was telling me the story she kept saying she doesn't even know what kind of treatements there are, she was just saying the most hiddeous things, and sounded like she just dropped from the moon.  Saying she doesn't even know what IVF means.  She doesn't know that I'm going through treatements, so maybe she was trying to get something out of me.  I just pretended to be as ignorent as her and didn't say a word.  I was not in the mood to discuss this.

She always tells us that she conceived her twins naturally, meanwhile neither her nor her dh have twins in their family.  She also told me that she naturally produces multiple eggs.  Now I understand things better, so it's possible that she got some help as well.  I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of... you just do what you have to do.

HeatherJo - What are your next steps after this break.  Who knows the break might do the trick.

[Helen72]

If your friend had fraternal (rather than identical) twins she probably got some help.  Infertility is a very painful and very private problem.  I do not blame people who do not want to reveal what kind of infertility treatments they went through.  However, it is very hippocritical of your friend to judge other people who got infertility treatment, claim ignorance or to stick her nose into other people's affairs!

Sorry you had to go through this!

[HeathJo]

Mary--Good gawd how awful for you! I love PTs because they helped me get my life back after my neck injury and surgery. You are such a special, nurturing person to do that job, and do not deserve having some lttle irresponsible twit whose marriage probably won't last telling you how YOU feel. Yes, the world has gone insane and insensitive.

Lexima--This girl sounds like my SIL, always fishing for information. Helen is right: If she had fraternal twins, the chances are high she got help. Maybe she has deluded herself into thinking she did not. Either way, you handled it great. I would be curious to know how she would explain that she knows she produces multiple eggs. Does she have her own u/s at home?  I may have messed with her a little bit and said, "Wow! You better get busy if you want more kids because if your laying eggs like a golden goose your supply will run out earlier and you'll hit menopause before you're 40! Plus, maybe next time it will be sextuplets and you can get your own reality show like Jon and Kate + 8!" Sorry to be a bee yotch, I just get angry with people like that! You are way more mature than I am!

My next step is to see an RE on Jan.24th, thus the reason for the vreak. Meanwhile, me and dh have been BDing since cd6 (now CD9) because I had EWCM and ovary pain. We will continue to BD every day or every other day until cd17. I can't do OPKs b/c my FSH and LH levels are switched and would produce false reults, so I am blidly going for it!

Helen--Always happy to be here for you the way you are for everyone else. I'm sorry if your dh makes you feel lonely and isolated about this sometimes. I agree that sometimes men just don't get it at all. But, we love our dh's and have our cyberfamily, so now all we need are BFPs!

[LJ307]

Heather Jo, LOL.  You are so funny!  What a quick wit.  (-:

Helen, Mary & Lexima - It is amazing how hyper-sensitive we become to everything pregnancy, baby, child or motherhood related while ttc isn't it?  It doesn't mean we are abnormally sensitive, it's just that our senses are very fine tuned to a very specific area of life.  My week with family has been like that.  Everywhere we go pregnant women, babies, families, and so on.  Then we are home we watch home movies of all the little ones who are growing up or are grown up and my siblings remenice about the grand days of raising those little baby's the trial and tribulations of each pregnancy and childbirth, and on and on.  They really aren't intentionally being insensitive and they have no idea how I'm in anquish inside when this is going on.  Regardless, I understand what you are feeling!  It is normal and to be expected.  We shall get through it.  

Well, I'm still not home and said family is telling me to "Get off that computer and come in here" to watch a video.  Thinking of each of you!  I"m having a toast on your behalf for BFP's for all of us!! CHEERS!

[HeathJo]

If I can make any of ya'll laugh, I am glad. Hopefully I don't offend too, too much :-D

[Helen72]

You almost make me feel good about being the only child:  no siblings with kids to spoil my holidays  :-)
However, being the only child puts a lot of pressure as well since I am the only person who can give grandchildren to my parents.  My grandmother is not doing very well and tells me every time about her wish to see me being a mother before she dies. That's a lot of pressure....  
Luckily, my in-laws don't wish to talk to me  :)
My dh is actually very supportive.  He just hates to see me upset so often.  Through all this infertility **** that we are going through our relationship has been very solid and that really helps.  I know some ladies talk about infertility putting pressure on their marriage but I feel that it only made us closer.
Happy 2008 to All!!!!

[HeathJo]

Wow, that would be a lot of pressure, especially with the grandmother guilt. My gm died this summer of cancer, she went within 3 weeks from dx to death. My older sister (38) has a 9 year-old and an 18 month old, so that helped with her, but my parents have always told us what a pain kids are and do not seem to care. Except for my SIL, my in-laws are nicer to me than my own parents.

My DH is very supportive as well, and we have gotten closer through this as well. The main thing that is hard for both of us really is the side effects of the meds. They make me feel ill and tired, and after going through the whole neck injury thing and only being married a year and a half, and then my gm dying AND then literally finding out that same week I have fert issues it has been interesting so far!!! How long have ya'll been married?

Are you home yet?

[LJ307]

Hello ladies!  Just an update.  I'm home now.  Writing from my work computer and feeling paranoid about it!  (-:    

My computer/laptop went out of my during my break so I'm without a computer!    I'll be shopping for one tonight.  Just one more thing to mount onto my list of purchases this month.   Anyhow, I just wanted to say happy new year!!   I'll be in touch when I get up and running again.  Have the HSG this week and I will get ONE u/s this month.

Heathjo:  It does sound like you've had a "hard row to hoe" between your neck injury and infertility.  It sounds like you married a wonderful man and the two of you will only grow stronger as a result of this.  

Well, I must get back to work.   Happy new year again, and once again, it can't be said too many times  BFP's in 08 - one for all, all for one!!  

[Lexima]

LJ thanks for good wishes.  

HeatherJo - You're are too funny, as I was reading your response to my story I kept thinking that it's exactly what my DH tells me that I should mess with her a little.  So just to fill in the details, her twins are fraternal a boy and a girl.  And appreantly her obgyn somehow was able to determine that she produced multiple eggs after she was already preg, which is a complete BS unless she was going to him for monitoring.  But according to her he was the first obgyn she went to, bec she had no clue where else to go as her preg. was such a surprise.  Anyways I'm happy for her, bec in reality she was probably struggling with exact same I am right now.  

[HeathJo]

Well, it seems obvious she endured some kind of infertility issue, so we must of course be happy for her. I am happy for ANYONE who is pg that has had to deal with this, for real.

But COME ON!!! To be so delusional is creepy and a bit cruel if she suspects you are having issues. Maybe she was just so traumatized by her fert. issues she has disassociated. . .??? Hopefully she is normal in other ways so she can be a decent friend to you and raise those babies. She sounds kinda clinical to me. . .

Anyway, glad you got a chuckle. I wasn't trying to be mean, but I am very protective over my cyber-friends! If you ever need me to kick her a**, let me know! (Verbally, that is!)

Has that hag AF left yet?

[HeathJo]

MAJOR UPDATE: I just got a call from the RE's office and they had a cancellation, so I am seeing her TOMORROW MORNING AT 10 AM INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL THE 24TH!!!

Sorry for all the caps and exclamation points, but I am soooooo happy :-)

[Lexima]

Oh wow that's great!!!  Good Luck

[Helen72]

HeathJo,
that's a great news!!!  Will be loking for your update tomorrow.  
Looks like you had to deal with a of serious issues your first year of marriage.  Death in the family can be so difficult to bear!  Health problems don't make the journey easier especially when you have to put your life on hold.  Glad your dh is so supportive.  Hopefully, it will be easier from here.  I am married for over 4 years now plus we dated for 2 years before that.  So, we know each other pretty well although he was not my high school sweetheart  :)

Lexima,
I totally understand your friend not sharing struggling with infertility.  But, as I said before, tere is no reason to be hippocritical.

Mary,
have you tested yet?  How are you doing?  When do you start your new cycle?

[Lexima]

I was very excited about your good news and I didn't even see your previous post.  AF left me a long time ago.  Lately my periods are pretty short 4-5 days as oposed 7.  I'm at 8DPO today and at one point I feld O like cramp, but I know that' not possible.  I tested just in case, got a very faint line.  Normally if I'm not on meds I ovulate on CD 16 on my own.  

I'm really not going to think much about this this month, since I know it's not possible without the meds.  Unless my follicles just mature on their own all of a suddent....right.ha ha

[ms320]

Hi everyone,

Hope everyone is well

HeathJo:  That is awesome news about bumping up your appointment.  Perhaps I am an eternal optimist, but I certainly take that as a good sign. Please update us as soon as you get home.

Lexima:  As someone who is extremel private about my personal life (except on this forum of course) I can understand your friend not sharing her struggle with you.  However, I do not understand why she has to play dumb about the whole thing.  If she just never mentioned it, I am sure you wouldn't blurt out the question "Hey, did you need any medical help conceiving those babies"  It reminds me of those days when I was back in school, and some yahoo would always turn around and say that he "forgot" we had a test and didn't study at all.  Of course, this is the person who gets an A.  

Helen72:  I have not tested yet.  I got a +OPK on 12/19 sor that makes me somewhere around DPO 12/13.  I don't do BBT, so I can't actually pinpoint O.  I don't really have any symptoms.  I had some weird, mild cramping last week, but that is about all.  My bbs are mildly sore, but that could just be from checking them too often.  Anyway, the one and only time I was pregnant, I didn't get a BFP until dpo 16 or 17, so I am trying to hold off on the testing.  If it doesn't happen this month, I start monitoring for +OPK, and begin my IVF protocol 10 days later.  I am hoping I won't have to do it, but I am afraid to get my hopes up ... again

I'll keep you all posted.

[LJ307]

HeathJo - WOW, THAT IS WORTH ALL CAPS!!!!  I know first hand how exciting that is!   Please update us when you get back from the RE.  I am just soooo excited right now for you!!  (-:

Mary - I don't do BBT either.  I started, but wasn't able to keep up.  All the research I've done states that it is one of the least effective tools for monitoring o.  OPK's rank much higher.   So, I think you're doing the right thing.  I'll be trying, like you, this cycle not to get my hopes up.  It's better to expect nothing and be wonderfully surprised when something does occur than to expect something and be horribly disappointed when nothing occurs.

Lexima - I too keep my fertility issues to myself.  Even my closest friend I don't tell much to. I do tell her some.  But, I just find it so difficult to bring other people into this roller coaster ride.  However, had I been over and done with it and had a lovely child or two from the process.  I would very willingly share my experience.  Particularly with someone whom I knew was suffering from the same issues.  
Your friend must have some personal issues, insecurities of some kind that make it difficult for her to share her experience.  It is too bad.

Helen,  Good to know you have a supportive dh.  I know men don't  understand a lot about what we as women go through during this process.  But, having a partner to share the experience with is a great gift.  What is new with you?  Back in school?

Empty - where are you?  

Annabrita- ??

Update on me:  Have my HSG on the 8th, U/S 10th, IUI ??  14th maybe.... Oh!! Clomid tonight, almost forgot I needed to take it!! Yikes.  

Thank God for Best Buy's line of credit.  I'm typing from my new laptop.  The old ones back light burned out while I was out of town.  I just finished spending $200.00 on repairs on it at Thanksgiving time, then it went and went out weeks later.  Life just keeps the hits on coming!  

[ms320]

Glad to have you back online.  It is amazing how out of touch I feel when my computer isn't available.  Things look like they are moving forward for you.  I will be thinking of you with all my best thoughts.

[Lexima]

Good Morning ladies,
Oh how I wish I had a u/s machine.  I'm not on any meds this month and I'm not being monitored.  Today is CD9 and I started having O cramps yesterday.  It's way way too early.  If I could just see what's going on there...wouldn't that be great.   I use OPK but got only a faint line.
My fert problem is that I have too many follicles and do not mature.  Most of the time (without meds) I ovulated on CD16, but my follicles were not mature enough.  I'm just wondering what is this pain on CD9 related to.  I'll retest today with OPK.  I guess we'll bd as well just in case.  The preseed that I've ordered haven't arrived yet.  I was hoping to use it this O period.

Thank You all for you input on my story.  I completely agree with all of you, no one is obligated to share their fert issues, it is a very private thing, I don't share my issues with my friends.  But being hipocritical and ignorant is not right either.  She should just avoid the subject altogether.  OK I think we have exhausted this topic.

[HeathJo]

Lex--I was feeling the EXACT same way as you are about o'ing and not being on meds. I had EWCM and O pains on cd5,6, and 7, so I thought I maybe o'd, but then my bbs have been constantly sore since last AF. Read below about the u/s I had today. I normally O on cd16 with Clomid, and it is cd12 today and looks as if I will O on cd16 again this month. I know everybody is different, but maybe the meds kind of regulated you. Can you call for at least an u/s??? I did before I knew I could get in to see the RE, and my OBGYN's office was gonna do it.

ALL: Got to see the RE this morning b/c they had a last-minute cancellation! I think it went well. I like her a LOT. She says I have mild PCOS, and that I probably ovulate on my own 4-6 times out of the year. This month it is too late to start on anything except Glucophage (Metformin) to help me get my weight back down to about 130 lbs and a size 8, which she think will help regulate me and prevent my insulin production from being weird. Even though my blood sugar is in the "normal" range, she thinks that the sudden weight gain coupled with past dx of hypoglycemia warrants this.  My normal weight is 118-125 pounds/size 4. I don't know my exact weight right now, but I think it is in the 150-160 range, and I am a size 12. Sooooo, I have work to do!

If I get a BFN this month, I will take Femara and do injectables next month. I only produced one follicle on Clomid, and she'd like to see at least 2 or 3. So that is the plan. . .

She did an u/s and said I have a "gorgeous uterus"--whatever that means! I told her I had work done on it (ha ha). My ovaries looked great, and I have a 14mm follie ready to roll in a few days, even though I haven't taken any meds this month. She said she higly doubts I will need IVF, which was a relief. She wants to do a laproscopy next month just to rule out any tubal issues, but she doesn't think there is an issue there.

What do ya'll think? Have any of you taken any of these meds? I may cut and paste this in a separate post to get a more global view, but you are my gals and I value your opinions.

Tell me whassup with you guys!

[ms320]

HeathJo - you are such a show off with your "gorgeous uterus" LOL!!!! That is about the funniest term I have ever heard, but in some strange way it is a really wonderful thing to hear.  Sounds like you have found a good match with the RE, which is really important.  I think it is difficult to trust somebody with something as important as this when you don't gel.
Anyway, sounds like things are really moving along well for you.  I have a really good feeling that something is going to happen for you soon.
I can relate about the whole weight thing.  I had been maintained on a high dose of synthroid for many years to manage my hypothyroidism.  Last year, my RE discovered that the dose was now way too high, and was probably preventing me from becoming pregnant.  They have lowered it several times over the past year, and my levels are now normal, but I have gained about 15 pounds.  I even started running 4 miles a day, but the scale won't budge.  I think my body is just adjusting to the low dose.  I hope it will eventually normalize.

I am dpo 13/14 and am still afraid to test.  It feel really weird today though.  I slept in until 8, did virtually nothing for 3 hours and then had to take a 2 hour nap.  I feel like a lazy dog on a hot summer day.  I got dressed to go into my basement and hit the treadmill 3 times already, and each time I kick my sneakers off before I make the basement stairs.  I just can't seem to wake up today.

Keep me in your thoughts.  I guess I should test in a few days if AF still doesn't show.  I just hate that BFN though

[Sil82]

I am out. AF showed her ugly phase. Well.. I took an appt with fertility specialist to see what is going on. Better to have answers rather than struggling in the dark.

[Lexima]

Mary - I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.  Keep us posted.  When are you planning to test?

HeathJo - I probably could go for an u/s, but since I'm on a break I don't feel like going there early in the morning.  So we'll do it completely naturally this month.  O cramps got a bit more intense today, plus I had a really bad cramp today somewhere in the cervix area.  It only lasted few seconds but I had to hold my breath and wait for it to pass, I never had that before.  If it happens again I might go to see my OBGYN on Sat.

You're mentioning that you'll be doing injections.  Will you be taking Follistim.  That's what I'm using let me know if you have any questions.

[HeathJo]

Mary--yes, my uterus is my best feature. I am always the prettiest girl in the room because of it. I know your jealous, but hey, I am America's Next Top Uterus Model, so stop hatin'! (You may want to read my comments on my other post about the RE appt, as I elaborate on what she explained to me about why she said that)

Back to reality, thanks for sharing your experience about weight and metabolic issues. I know a lot of us here have those issues. That really s*cks that you were on an incorrect med dose. I swear, some doctors are such morons it's like they bought their degree of the internet. I bet your body will stabilize, like you said. And hey, it REALLY SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE SYMPTOMS!!!!!!! I am hoping and praying this is IT for you :-)

Sil--Good for you for being proactive and making an appt to see a specialist after that hag AF showed up. When is your appt? Is it an RE or an OBGYN specializing in fertility? How long have you been ttc? Forgive me if you have told us before, I have a bad memory :-)  Took too many drugs in the 60s (kidding, I wasn't even born yet).

Lex--I don't blame you for wanting to take a complete break and not bother with an u/s. It sounds as if you are in tune with your body and can read what it is doing, unlike me. It is odd that you mentioned cervical cramping, as I am having that tonight as well and never usually do unless AF is here. So, since I know I will ovulate in 3-4 days, maybe it is an O symptom I am just now experiencing after being regulated on meds the last 2 mos. Or, it could be from the u/s and exam, but I don't think so. I hope yours doesn't get worse and is just O pain.

I THINK follistim is what I will be using, and if so, I may have some ????s, so thanx in advance for your advice.

Check ya'll later. . .

[LJ307]

Sil: I'm so sorry AF showed up.  I have all the same questions HeathJo asked you, so I'll just wait to hear your reply.  Welcome to the 2ww group!  (-:

Lexima/Heathjo:  I get those o cramps every month.  Got them worse when I was younger.  But, now that I'm on Clomid I'm having them frequently again.  I get them almost a week before I o and have them for almost a week after.  I think it is your ovaries swelling to release the egg, then of course the passing of the egg and then maybe the ovaries shrinking back again.  Not sure.  I do know the ovary you ovulate from swells a bit during that process.


Mary - I have a feeling about you this month.  I am looking forward to hearing about your BFP in a day or two!!!!

I'm looking so forward to the HSG next week.  NOT!  (-:

Oh and I must tell you that I too was told I had a beautiful uterus once during an u/s.  Guess it must run in the 2ww group.  Please don't be jeolous HeathJo.  I have no doubt yours puts mine to shame.  Baby's got U!  (-:

[Helen72]

HeathJo,
glad your appointment went well.  Seems like you have a plan all worked out.  I just had my laparoscopy in Nov. to look for endo and other possible my infertility problems.  Is there a possibility of endo for you?  Do you have any symptoms?  I am not sure you need a lap.  It's an invasive surgery that many women have after infertility problems that lasts for over a year.  I doubt a lap is necessary for you.
Mary,
your symptoms seem promising.  I hope AF does not visit you this year!!!
Sil,
making an appointment is the best decision!  I wish I saw a specialist earlier.  Keep us posted about the results.

[HeathJo]

LJ--To respond from my other post, I am also pleasantly surprised by having this follie. This may not be my month for a BFP, but it is reassuring to know that this time I O'd on my own. I'll take being a BFM, as long as I have a bun (or two) in the oven! I'm glad you approve of my RE--you have such educated opinions. And no, I am not jealous of your beautiful uterus! "Baby got U" is right! Now we just need "U got Baby!" (I like big babies and I cannot lie, their cuteness I can't deny...la, la,la, I am no rapper so that is as far as I can take that one)

About the O pain, what is so odd is that this month it is my left ovary with the follicle, but my right ovary is always the one that really hurts. It's confirmed that the rt. ovary is in perfect condition, so I wonder why it does that?

Helen--You are right, smartie pants! I mistakenly said lap when it is really HSG--DUH!! No possibility of endo for me, and she really said I could wait and do the HSG until March, and even then it is not urgent, but I just don't want to waste time or money in case there is a tubal issue for some reason. But,I may play it by ear until after the March cycle, as that will be the second month of the full plan: metformin, femara and injectables w/ IUI. I was looking over the prices of the meds and such, plus the testing, and I am trying to balance the finances versus need, as are we all.

Sil--I echo Helen's welcome! I wish we could change the title and put your name on here :-( I guess we could start a new post entirely, but it's kinda cool to have it all in one so that when we all get our BFPs we can print it out for the baby so he/she will know how much they were wanted someday! Please post here whenever you want!

ALL: I forgot to say that the RE said my egg reserve looks very good: PHEW! I'll be 37 in May. . .tick, tock,tick,tock. I am greedy and want two kids, so if that psychic prediction doesn't come true and I don't have twins in the oven by March, or, if I keep getting BFNs for a while, maybe I can still have a shot at having more than one. I'd be so blessed to just have one, but, like I said, I am greedy!

Anyone heard from Annabritta, BabyBlue or Empty? I know Empty took a vacation, but I thought she'd be back by now. I may post looking for them. . .also, I scrolled up and saw fifi blue used to hang with us but hasn't posted in a month, so maybe I'll send her a message. The more the merrier!

[vingulf]

Hi ladies!

Hope you dont mind if I join...am so glad I found this website. No one around me here seems to understand IVF and the infertility problems we go through...this is such a great support system!

I'm on my 2ww (9 DPT) - doing ivf for the first time. we should have seek help earlier. been married 8 years, was never on the pill or any contraception. mu hubby and I I guess are just plain stubborn to admit that we have problems! LOL...

This Monday, 1/7, is my first bet b/w - the moment of truth! I did do an hpt last Wednesday (7 DPT), and it came up BFN! My heart sunk! I posted on another dicussion and was told that it might still be a little early for the hpt plus I read somewhere that if you drink too much liquids (which I do because I've been insanely thirsty the past week!) that it can dilute the hcg in your pee.

For now, I'm *trying* to stay away from any hpt's!

Keeping my fingers crossed that those 2 little embryos did what they're supposed to do! I am like HeathJo - I'm wishing for twins :-) yes I'm also greedy plus I absolutely hate needles and I dont want to go thru those shots again!

Good luck, everyone! SSBD to all!!! I hope 2008 will be the BEST year for all of us!!!

[ms320]

Well, I hauled my lazy dog butt out of bed this AM, and decided I should probably try testing.  Bad idea... BFN.  I still don't feel AF coming, so I am a little bewildered.  If she doesn't show by Sunday, I guess I'll test again, but for now I think I am out of the game this month.  Next stop on the looooonnnngggg ride - IVF.  I hope that is an express stop

[Sil82]

Thank you very much ladies for your responses. Yes I am going to see a fertility specialist. Not that I am thinking I have a problem. I just want to see in results that I do not have any problem for peace of mind. I have been TTC only for 4 months now. But I have a history of Ectopic pregnancy back in 2006 at 6 weeks. Then I had a chemical pregnancy in oct 07(first month of TTC) Horrible! isnt it? I went to my OB/GYN. She ran some tests to check harmones and prescribed me prometrium to use from day of ovulation to 28 to fix LPD. I was on it for 2 months now. No luck. But I had a question what prometrium can do to my body. I have very perfect Ovulation test positive Right on day 14 everymonth and my cycles are very regular except that I had 10days of Luteal Phase. I wanted to see a specialist to get extra deep tests done and get the results to see nothing is wrong. I am kind of a person who cant wait in the dark with out answers. so wanted to make an appt asap. I have an appt on 11th jan for initial consultation. I will certainly post my results.
Baby dust to everyone TTC. I really understand your frustation. But we need to face this and being together makes us feel someone is there for supporting....

[Sil82]

Sorry I tried to add your name to the list above. But the program just cut off I think

[HeathJo]

vingulf--Welcome, welcome! As I said in my personal message to you, we are always here!

Mary--Sorry about your BFN, but there is still a chance. I have read that some folks don't test positive with HPTs until 18dpo, and some NEVER do with HPTs. My mom was 2 mos pg with my baby sister and never tested pos with HPTs. I have also read several posts about people who were pg but still did not test + with HPTs either. I guess you are 14/15 dpo now. . .any symptoms, or is it to hard to tell b/c of meds. I asked vingulf (Maria) these same questions, and she just had her first IVF, so if you do go that route ya'll could be IVF buds! I hope you get a BFP, though.

[HeathJo]

I sent a pm to fifi, and here is her response:

"Hey Guys, I've been reading your posts.  I'm been in a holding pattern for the last couple of cycles due to a cyst.  I'm having accupunture treatments and as soon as the cyst goes I'm ready for IVF.

Hope you all have a wonderful Christmas & New Year.  I'm really excited about what this is going to bring all of us."

[ms320]

Sil82 and Vingulf:  Welcome to our cyberfamily.  The ladies on this thread are awesome.  Supportive and knowledgeable, what else can you ask for.

HeathJo:  Thanks.  I am not any any fertility meds, but back in April I didn't test positive until after day 16 or 17.  I actually tested negative on day 15/15 back then, so I guess there is still a slight chance.  No real symptoms, either of AF or of pregnancy.  My bbs are mildly sore, but that could go either way I guess.  No real cramping just some intermittent mild twinges.  No appetite changes.  I have been very sleepy (hence the lazy dog reference) but that's about it.  I guess I have no choice but to wait a few more days and see what pans out.  

[vingulf]

Heather is right. I also read somewhere (wish I remember to bookmark these sites I go to!) that some women dont get positive hpt's at all! Something to do with how your body dilutes your pee, especially if you drink a lot of liquids. They say b/w is really the most efficient since your blood never gets diluted. So don't lose hope yet. Maybe AF is not making a stop at your house for the next 9 months ;-)

Was telling Heather about my talk with my mom...I asked her how soon she felt pg symptoms and she said she never did...only way she found out she was pg was if AF didnt show up. No cramping, no nausea, no dizzines...geez! wish I'm like her! :-)

I'm hoping too that this IVF journey is an express ride...

Heather: thanks for inviting me...I read your post about fifi...the week before I was to start my cycle, my RE discovered a cyst. But he didnt wait for it to go away. He did a procedure to suck out the cycst using a really tiny syringe needle. That delayed my cycle for a week...

SSBD to all!!!

[LJ307]

Well it sounds like this is going to become the IVF group.  It looks like most of us are planning to take the next step for IVF.   Though that option isn't viable for me, I'm the "oldie" of the group.  Eggs won't be up for the challenge.  But, statistics are in all of your favor for IVF.   It gives me good feelings about this group for future BFP's.  

I sent a post to HeathJo yesterday and decided to create a new acronym for us.  BFM's  - Big Fat Mommies!!  (Of course I mean "fat" in the cool and groovy way, not the you've got a big fat arse way.)  lol.

Love your rhyme Heathjo!  I think you may have a future career ahead of you.  

Vingulf - WELCOME!!

Sil - that is odd about my name being dropped because I had another post the other day with someone aplogizing saying the very same thing!  The system doesn't like my name apparently.

[HeathJo]

Sil--gawd, you've been through the ringer, your poor thing!!!!!!!! I have no clue what prometrium is--wish I could help. Maybe you should do a separate post about it. I am eager to hear what happens 1/11!!!

LJ--I decided to change my pic on my profile, and after our "gorgeous uterus" competition, I was going to post a pic of it on my profile, but changed it to my wedding portrait instead. (OK, I've beat the uterus thing to death, and of course do not have a pic of it!!! But I really did change my pic to my wedding portrait. I just had to razz you a little--it amuses me. Let me know if it starts to get on your nerves!!!)

[Lexima]

Mary - so sorry for BFN, but just hold on a bit longer.  I was talking to my friend who is 4 months pg.  And she never tested positive on HPT or even on the one is Drs office (don't know the diff), only blood test showed a positive.

Sil - Last month I was taking progesterone suppositories, and on this forum I heard that sometimes prometium and progesterone are used interchaneably, but I still don't know if it's the same thing or not.  So anyways I was on progesterone 2DPO and until AF showed up.  And it messed up my cycle just a bit it was 33 days instead of 30.  But it was supposed to improve my LP.  With injections cycle has become a bit irregular and some month my LP was shorter than others.  I'm sorry to hear what you went through over the last few years.  Good Luck!

HeathJo - I wonder how they can determine the "egg reserve", but it sounds great that yours is full.  Somehow I always thought that I want to have 2 kids, bec I have a sister and dh has a brother so we both grew up with siblings.  At this point I would be happy with one, I just don't know if I would be able to go through all of this again.  So twins sounds like a good solution 2 in one shot, but it's bit more risky more complications to worry about.  I'll take what ever comes my way, when ever it comes my way.

[ms320]

Thank you, everyone, for your support.  I knew I shouldn't have tested today, but I was sooooo weak and I caved.  Anyway, I kept thinking that the one time I got a BFP was about 16 dpo.  I just went back and checked my records and realized that I didn't get a + HPT until 21 days after my LH surge.  I found my old chart, and back then I even got a BFN on day 18.  So, I guess there is still some hope.  

Only time will tell

[Helen72]

Vingulf,
I am soooo hoping IVF works for you!  I am moving towards IVF myself and i am holding my breath for everyone who is taking that journey.  2ww is a torture.  I hope BFP waits for you at the end!!!

So, LETS ALL CHANT FOR Vingulf: BFP!  BFP!  BFP!  BFP!  BFP!

HeathJo,
love your new pic.  You have a gorgeous face to go with your gorgeous uterus :)

[vingulf]

LOL!
Thank you!!! I'm hoping it works, too! I was just looking at our bank accounts and it seems like we might not have enough for a second cycle :-( even though my ins covers most of it, I still need a few thousand $$...

Was reading your profile..I, too, had scar tissues. Underwent lap last Sept and doc also discovered I have endo. So he "cleaned" everything up :-) And I also wished we didnt wait this long to test...discovered hubby's swimmers are few and weak (thus the IVF)...

Am staying away from those darn hpt's this weekend. I'm a little anxious coz I have no pg symptoms but was told it would be a little too early anyway (only 9 DPT). Still have the mild cramping but thats about it...altho today, I felt tummy ache like I ate something bad - which I prob did (leftover spaghetti from last night LOL).

I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed!!! Thanks for the cheers!!!! Makes me feel really feel I am not alone...

[vingulf]

I'm really getting anxious because I did most things they said NOT to do after a transfer :-(

- I went back to work day after the transfer (although my work doesnt require any lifting or anything - I was mostly sitting at my desk...)
- Without thinking, I was drinking coffee and mocha at Starbucks and Diet Coke - I did stop 3 days ago tho...
- Did the dishes and groceries - cant help myself. Hubby did try to help with dishes but I just cant send him to the grocery - he ends up spending MORE!

So, hopefully, I didnt jeopardize anything...

[LJ307]

HeathJo,  Razz all you want. I'm very amused!  (-:   Your new pic is gorgeous, if your uterus is as gorgeous as your wedding pic, well stand back and take a gander!!  (-:  Mine wasn't deamed gorgeous, just plain beautiful - so I guess that means I'm in the Uterine beauty pagent category and your in America's Next Top Uterine Model category.   I want to change my pic too, just so I  have one that is only of me and not with my neices.  I don't have any!!    Every pic. of me has at least one if not several neices or nephews by my side.  Well, I do have one of myself with my little furry baby,  my beloved Border Collie.  Maybe I'll post that one.  

Vingulf:  I'm sure you haven't done any harm after your IVF.  You are supposed to rest which means no heavy lifting, exercising or anything that strains your body and mind.  Stress can play a role, as we know in pregnancy also.  But, I'm sure your sitting at your desk and taking a stop at the grocery store won't harm anything.  Afterall, it isn't total bed rest that's prescribed after IVF, just to "take it easy".  Please don't worry you've jeopordized anything.   I'm doing my chant for you now;  BFP, BFP, BFP, BFP.....

Brittany Spears is all over the news today.  It just sickens me to think of the chaos those poor little boys live in every day.  Women like that get pregnant without even trying.  Maddening. Kind of off topic, I know.  But, I've got the "Tele" on as I'm typing and it's driving me nuts!!

[Helen72]

Vingulf,
your embies cannot fall out so I am sure you are OK.  I admire you staying away from HPTs; in your shoes I would be testing every day.  I can be a bit of an addict when it comes to POAS.

LJ,
all of these young celebrities getting preggo is quite disturbing and not just because I cannot get pregnant.  It's almost like an image of an underage mother is changing in the media.  This is a terrible trend.  I had a student in my class last semester who just had a kid and was coming to my office hours with the baby since she could not afford childcare during the day.  I admire her staying in college and I really tried to accommodate her but that is not a very responsible thing to do.  I hope high school kids do not follow in the steps of Jamie Lynn Spears, Jessica Alba, that girl from the Whale Rider, etc.  

[ms320]

Happy Saturday everyone.  Well, I am officially out for this month.  AF showed this morning without all of her early warning signs.  Sneaky B*****.  Next step is IVF.  I'll kepp you all posted on how the whole thing progresses, but based upon the initial info I've gotten, it looks like the trasnfer should take place in about 5-6 weeks if everything goes as planned.

Vingulf  --  I think you are fine with the activicty you mentioned.  It is not like you were lifting 200 lb weights or anything.  I think when REs really want you to limit your activity, they tell you specifically what you can and cannot do.  Each MD seems to have their own protocol.  Some want bedrest after the transfer, some tell you to go about your normal activity.  Think positive thoughts - we all are.

LJ and Helen -- you are so right with these young girls getting pregnant.  What is so sad is that these girls have the means to pay for appropriate birth control if they are going to be sexually active. They are out in the spotlight, and some young 13 or 14 year old girl is going to think that getting pregnant is now the "cool" thing to do.  Makes me sad and angry  

[vingulf]

Thanks for the re-assurance and the cheerleading! :-)

Helen72: you can stop admiring...I caved in and did a hpt this morning (10 DPT) and it's a BFN! UGH! My beta b/w is not until Monday so I'm still hoping it will change. But my hopes are slowly slipping away...I was frantically searching online and some are saying that 10 DPT *may* still be early and that some women dont even test postive on any HPT throughout. And some even say that your pee should be yellow because it means its not very diluted. Well, mine is close to color of water so I'm hoping it means my pee is SO diluted! Plus, I'm still getting this mild cramping (but it has slowed down a ibit) and my entire back was in pain yesterday afternoon. So I'm hoping these embryos are just taking their own sweet time implanting themselves (also read that implantation can take 6-12 days). I told my hubby, if they are still implanting, then they are "late-bloomers" like him! HAHA! My hubby takes his own sweet time doing things!

I just posted another thread about Freedom Pharmacy. If anyone of you are dealing with them or are thinking of dealing with then - STOP! Poor customer service. You dont need the stress..

Hope everyone's weekend will be great!!!

[empty]

Hi guys

Just got back home today and it took me a while to get to the bottom! I am well. As usual i am waiting for A/F to turn up. She is now again late by 3 days. I tested today and BFN so no chance on being preggers. As you all know i was a week late last month and now late again. I am starting to worry as its impossible to tell when i ovulate at this stage. This is also the 3rd month that i havent got any O pains that i used to get previously. Being late now has meant i am back in sync with you guys almost. As you all know i am not on any meds or using opks. I only use preseed. I am calling the doctors tomorrow and will make an appt. I am a little sad that now i cant even get my periods right. For all these years i have been an always on time 30dayer. Anyhow sorry to post nio such a downer.....let me know all your news!!!

[LJ307]

OMGosh!  I just colored my hair, trying to save $$ and do it myself.  My hair turned orange!  I know this isn't a fertiliy emergency, but it is a hair emergency.  I think it ranks somewhere up there in order of importance.   Any advise from any of your who've experienced a similar scene would be much appreciated.  I'm thinking about redoing it tomorrow with an ash color to counter the red.  But, oh dear, what if my hair gets fried and falls out?   Yikes, yousa,,help..    )-:

[LJ307]

Oh, I didn't mean to completely dismiss your post.  Welcome back!  I'm sorry about the BFN and the o problems.  We are all here for you now!    I sent you a PM and gave you an update.  (-:

[empty]

My sister had this happen to her and we remedied by using a dark colour. Go as dark as possible.

[HeathJo]

All: Sorry haven't posted in a while; got a migraine Friday evening, and had to take meds that ended up knocking me out until 2am this morning (Sunday). I was supposed to BD yesterday, but that did not happen. (Or, if it did, I was unconscious!) So,I slept for like 35 hours or something. Hope it's not too  late to BD today: Thursday follicle was 14mm, so that would mean Fri 16, Sat 18, today 20mm? I guess we'll see in a couple of weeks, won't we?

Mary--I am so sorry about your BFN, but I am excited for your upcoming IVF. It really does seem as if this is becoming the IVF forum!

Vingulf--I am late in the chanting, but am now in on it for your BFP BFP BFP BFP. . .
I can see you are very anxious, as I would be. But, you are smart by doing your homework on how long it can take for BFPs to show up on HPTs, if at all. Please let us know ASAP what happens Monday with your b/w.

Empty: Welcome back! I'm sorry your period is frustrating you--I can relate. You should see a dr and find out what the best way to determine your fertile days are.

LJ: I have done that to my hair like 8 times! It is an emergency!!! I found out the hard way that it was better to go to a salon and have it fixed, as the more I tried to fix it, the worse it got! I have had ronald mcdonald orange, canary yellow, pinky orange, greenish blond--you name it!!! I feel for you, I really do.

Helen: Glad you like the wedding pic. I was going to put on up with my and my dh, but he might feel weird if I did. Where are you in your cycle now?

[vingulf]

Heather: thanks also for the cheers! Really helps me to keep positive and focused as I'm getting more anxious as my beta b/w day comes closer.

LJ: I did that to my hair a while ago. I ended up getting a darker shade (just like what empty said) but I think I had to wait a week or so before I was able to re-touch it. I vowed not to do it myself again! :-)

empty: sorry about your BFN. I agree with Heather - go see a doc. Are you in any way stressed? I know stress can cause AF to go erratic!

I had this weird dream last night that woke me up with a start! I dreamed I went to a doc (not my regular doc) and he took a test and told me "your HCG os 0.1 so you're pregnant!" But I was skeptical...and that's when I woke up! I mean, a 0.1 HCG???? So, here I go again going frantic searching online about dreams! And some say it's a premonition but others say dreams are usually just a reflection of your desires and still some say it's the opposite of what will actually happen!

I try not to read too much into these things...because I know it'll drive me insane and cuckoo!!!

[LJ307]

Emtpy, Thx for the advice on the hair emergency.   I'll look at some darker colors today.   Part of the problem is that it is too dark already, and red!  Yikes.  But, I suppose I could find a richer color in a darker shade that is sort of ash to counter the red.

HeathJo: So sorry to hear about your migrain.  I too have gotten migrains and they are not fun!  Rest up - take care of yourself.

Vingulf:  Well I would look at your dream as a good sign. I wouldn't worry about the number 0.1 so much and be excited about the pregnancy portion.  Maybe your body is trying to tell you something.   Maybe 0.1 means 1 baby in tummy.  (-:  Thanks also for the advise on the hair.   I tried washing it right afterwords hoping the red would wash out.  No such luck.  



Thx. Cyber Hommies.

[LJ307]

oops, Maybe I should say "Cyber Mommies in the making"

[Lexima]

Hi Guys. Hope everyone had a good weekend.  I just read the updates since Friday.  Sorry to hear about the AF arrivals, BFNs, Migraines and Hair Dissasters. On the other hand:

Vingulf - don't give up just yet.  It's not over till the AF shows up.  I hope your dread had a positive meaning.
HeathJo - I think if you BD today, you should still be ok.  Have you been OPKing? did you get a positive?
LJ - What's going on with the hair?  Did you color it again?  I had this happen to me and I decided not to risk it and just went to the salon.

As for the celebrity news...I can't listen about Britney Spears, she just makes me sick, such a low life.  And her sister is no better.  The week when they anounce that the sister is pg we got some crazy posts from teenagers here on the forum.  I hope kids are not taking this an example.

Personally I don't really have any updates, I haven't O yet.  Last week I had O cramps on Wed, Thurs, Fri, but none since then.  I keep testing on OPK the line was pretty dark today but not darker than Control Line.  Today is CD 12, I'll keep testing.  This week my order of PreSeed should arrive. hopefully in time for O.

[LJ307]

I'm sure you are just chomping at the bit to know about my latest hair update.  I don't want to keep you waiting another minute!  I found a product at Walgreens called "Oops."  and it is supposed to wash out a previous "oops" hair color if done within 24 hrs of the color.  I used that today.  It did wash out a lot of the red, it also lightened my hair quite a bit and there is a bit of red/orange left.  It's a color I can live with and be seen at work with for the next week anyhow.  I'll add an ash tone next weekend I think.  That should take all the red out.

Can't afford the salon this month because every dime I make is used up for living and ttc expenses.  No extra funds for a hair job.  )-:

Good luck I hope that a line darkens up soon!

[ms320]

All I can say is thank you for sharing the saga of your hair.  While I'm sure it was not fun for you, it brought me back to the reality that there is more to life than fertility issues.  I get so caught up in the whole TTC thing, that other parts of life just pass right by.  I, for one, really needed that reminder.  I am going to take the cue and spend some time focusing on other aspects of my life.  I have been growing my hair for almost two years now.  My original intention was to grow it long enough to donate.  Then, I started TTC.  My life got chopped up into cycles and 2WWs, and I never got around to donating my hair as planned.  I am going to call for an appointment tomorrow and put my mane to good use.  If I can't be amother to a child, at least I can make a child with cancer feel better by having a full head of hair.

Thanks again.

Mary

[babyalive]

Mary, I'm glad my hair helped you out of the ttc haze.  That is one of the reasons I decided to post it.  I thought, well golly we are all friends here.  We talk about the most  intimate details of our lives and we are ALL consumed with ttc!!  So why not broaden that perspective and give other parts of our lives a little attention.  I'm happy it gave you a momentary lift from 2ww, cd's, bding, & ttc!

Great idea about the "locks of love" giving hair away.   I have a couple of neices that do that every couple of years.  My hair doesn't grow fast enough, or long enough I think.  I too have been trying to grow it out.  If I'm successful maybe I'll consider that donation also.   Good for you for taking that postive step.  Way to go!

Oh I also changed my nickname to "babyalive".  There is another LJ on here, and I wanted a name that brought to life my dream.

[empty]

hi guys ...i went to see the GP today and have gotten a referral now. I have an appt with the hospital tomorrow - so that  will be my first fertility assessment i guess. wish me luck! I still havent got A/F so am now 5 days late. It will be good to get some answers though and make some moves in the right direction. Knowing my luck, A/F will arrive tomorrow and i wont be able to do an internal exams ...hee hee.

LJ - glad the hair situation is resolved. Are you on holidays at the moment?

ms320 - thats a great cause...good on you. I am not sure we have this in Australia but i am going to look into it. We have one where we raise money if you shave your head! Not sure i would make a good sinead :)

[Lexima]

Mary - that's a beatiful thing you're trying to do.

Empty - don't be so sure that they won't do internal exams during AF.  When I had my firt RE apt I thought we'll just talk and she'll give a plan to follow.  I was actually on my CD2 which is when they start monitoring.  So they did my b/w, and also u/s and general exam.  I felt so akward, never before have I gone to a obgyn appt during AF.  Now it's normal, bec they start monitoring me with CD2, but I still feel uncomfortable about it.  Good Luck

[vingulf]

ms320: that is such a great cause! my hubby's niece did that she had the most gorgeous hair! our company did volunteer work last week with them helping out with production. I was assigned to a different charity so I didnt get to see how the entire thing is done.

Empty: Lexima is right. There are certain tests that they do between CD1-CD3. And yes, it is very uncomfortable...but they had to do it.

So had my beta b/w done early this morning. Just waiting for the doc's office to call with reults. This wait is killing me!!!!!! I have no pg symptoms whatsoever so I'm a bit scared. Didn't even experience any spotting AT ALL (I was told some spotting is expected when the embies implant themselves - does this mean they didnt implant?). I know, I worry too much but I can't help it...sorry...I already had a talk with hubby last night. I asked if that if this cycle didnt work, should we go for a second? And he said absolutely and then followed it with "but why wouldn't it work???" He thought that once the embies were transferred, it's like a done deal! I had to explain that they have to hatch then implant...and all these emotions going thru! I'm excited and nervous and anxious and happy and sad ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

By the way, I am 12 DPT..

[lynda544]

Hope it is O.K. for me to add a comment-Good Luck today vingulf. I hope it works! I'll be thinking of you.

[vingulf]

Well, you have probably seen my post by now about my BFN :-(

It's such a sad and depressing day for me BUT having you guys cheering me on and being so supportive makes it easier to deal with the BFN...

Wednesday, I will be asking my RE a lot of questions. And yes, hubby is up for a second try...

[empty]

oh i am so sorry. you'll  have us dont worry about that so vent if you feel like. I am glad your husband has been so greta about this. Thats helps when youre both in it a 100%. I will look out for your post Wed. Hugs!!!

[Helen72]

Vingulf,
I am so sorry :((((
Please do not give up hope and try again.

Mary,
so sorry about AF.  I hope IVF works for all of us trying here eventually!!

Lisa,
have I missed your update this month?  How are you tests going with your new RE?  How's the road head looking like?

As for me, looks like I am O'g early.  Today is cd11 and I got this morning a positive (same colour lines) OPK.  I will be in Austin in a day but that may be too late for IUI.  Not sure what to do yet since when I surge early I may not O till cd13 anyways. I guess I'll test tomorrow am and see what's going on.
Decisions, decisions....

[Lexima]

I also got a positive OPK, gotta get busy over the next few days.
This is a bit unusual for me bec I normally get a + on CD16, but today is CD13. Guess 2ww starts tomorrow.

[empty]

Hi Guys

So i had  my appt today with a gynae/obstetrician and they have ordered a battery of tests. I had my blood drawn and have already had a call to say it was a BFN on the pregnancy front - which i knew anyway. So i still have all the progestone, hyperthyroidsm and all to go. So now i have to wait for the evil witch and then i get the HSG test done and a Xray on the 24th Jan. With any luck next month this time i should have another appointment telling me what the issues could be. They have also ordered tests on DH. I feel like such a virgin on these things! I had my hair done as well and feel totally psyched now that things are getting done.

On my form i noticed that with the HSG test they said that they have had an patients reporting an increase in fertility after the test. Have any of you heard this?

Thanks for letting me ramble!

[Helen72]

When I had HSG technitian told me that the test makes you more fertile for a few months since the dye sort of cleans your tubes.

Glad you are doing the tests!
Good luck!

[ms320]

I also hear the same thing about the dye "cleaning the dust" from your tubes.  It actually worked for me last year.  Had HSG done at end of Feb, and became pregnant at end of March.  

Good luck with your tests

[Helen72]

So, did another OPK today and got a negative.  I guess I already O'd since it was positive yesterday.  So,  no IUI this month  :(
I can't believe this happened to me!  I just needed extra 24 hours.  I guess I O'd two days earlier than normal with very little cm and no O pains which is REALLY strange.  Oh well, at least we managed to bd on the day of the surge.  Next cycle will be my last IUI with clomid.  Then, on to IVF...

[empty]

oh that sucks. will you BD for good measure anyway?

[vingulf]

Anyone heard from Heather (HeathJo)? Haven't seen a post from her in a while.

Heather: hope you're doing ok...

[ms320]

Sorry about the timing of your O.  I'll kepp my fingers crossed that BDing does the trick for you this month

[babyalive]

Hi Ladies!!!  It's been forever it feels like!  I was able to log on to this post earlier today and spent some time responding to each of you, but then when I tried to send it, the forum locked me out!!  Urg.  So, I'm not going to  make this post too long in case it does that again.

Helen - I 'm so sorry you missesd your IUI!!  I know you really wanted it this month.  Lets keep everything crossed that the bding did the trick!
Lexima - You are o'ing already?  Wow that is early! Guess you'll be getting busy and we may not hear from you for a day or so.  (-:

Empty & ms320 - Yes the HSG does increase the chances of BFP!!  When I went to get my prescription filled for antiobiotics today the pharmacy tech. told me her daughter and her daughter's best friend both had HSG's last month and both got pregnant this month!  So, I'm excited.

Vin - I'm so sorry about your BFN!  Lot's of baby dust your way!!

Update on Heathjo -  I don't think she'd mind me updating you.  She sent me a pm and she's not feeling well due to the metfor.  It's been giving her migrains and making her feel sick.  So, she's been resting and not no her computer.  

I'm thinking about starting a new post because this one  has been giving me so many troubles logging in.  Anybody have an aversion to running a new dialogue?

So much for a short post.  Geesh, I can be chatty!

[Helen72]

Thank you all for your support!  Last month we bd'd and did the IUI with BFN so I am not holding my breath this time.  But some chance is better than zero chance.  I am glad we managed to bd in LA when I got my positive OPK before hotel threw us out at 11 am  :)
Finally, our NY/CA trip is over and I am back in TX.  New semester will keep me busy since I have been obsessing a bit too much lately about ttc.  

Earlier today we were in San Diego and went to the zoo before leaving for TX.  It was pretty amazing.  Anyways, San Diego zoo is famous for giant pandas.  Apparently, these pandas are fertile only 1-2 days per year and their offsprings are so small when born that most do not survive beyond 4 days.  So, if evolution did not eliminate these guys, there is hope for all of us!

[empty]

wow so they could possibly be BDing for fun!!!! unbelievable!

[annabrita]

hello everyone,i'm back and sooo sory for just dissapearing without a word.it was an un planned trip with dh.just came back yesterday to catch my apt with my new re.anyway,let me get busy in ready all the posts i,ve missed.any BFP while i was gone?????  let me fine out

[ms320]

welcome back.

HeathJo started a new thread.  This one takes forever to load and has been crashing our browsers.

The title of the new thread is:
Empty, Vingulf,Helen72, ms320,Lexima, lj/Babyalive

So, after you catch up on all of these posts, there are more on the other thread

[addis09]

I am new comer to this post and reading and searching looking into IVF soon after trying for the last 8 month to get PG? Why IVF? OB recommendation. Thought  to ask if any some of you had this experience. I just had a mock transfer and ever since then I am spotting, is this normal. So I am curious if everyone has the same experience.

Thanks for sharing,