Anyone out there having or going to have Frozen Embryo Transfer??

[SarahKateP]

Hi everyone,

I am relatively new here, my Hubby and I have just completed our first go at IVF treatment, which sadly failed :o(  We are absolutely heartbroken. We have been TTC our first baby for the last two and a half years. We have suffered 2 early miscarriages and 2 horrific ectopic pregnancies (which resulted in the loss of both tubes and need for IVF). We really thought that IVF would work for us, treatment went better than we ever hoped, all the way through (they had originally estimated a low-normal response to the drugs with maybe 6 eggs at best) we ended up with 13 eggs, then 11 fertilised for us and we then ended up with 9 grade 1, 8 cell embryo's which was fantastic. But even after all this our embie didn't stay with us :o( I am so gutted and upset.

On a positive note, our clinic are very very keen that we go straight ahead with a Frozen Embryo Transfer, which we will be doing after my next period, so around the end of July / beginning August. They seemed quite positive about this and they will be having a review meeting to discuss our failed cycle and see what can be done differently next time - so fingers crossed. I am hoping that with FET, my body will cope better as I will not be having all the stimlulation drugs, poking around and of course the trauma of egg collection to deal with - as the FET will be done within a natural cycle and leutal phase / implantation support given. Just have to keep our fingers crossed that FET will work for us, I am determined to get my precious baby and with 8 beautiful frozen embryo's waiting for us, I am not about to give up!!!!

I was just wondering if there was anyone out there I could chat to about Frozen Embryo Transfer??? Would love to get to know a few of you and find out a bit more about things and your stories, success, advice and everything...

I look forward to getting to know you all, take care

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[SarahKateP]

Bump :o) xxxxxxxxx

[cwolf1006]

I will be doing a FET at the end of July, I too have had a miscarriage as well as a few failed transfers, we will be using the last of our frozen embies and am really hoping this last shot works!! Super good luck to you!!! Keep me posted on your progress!! I will be away from the computer for a few days, but hope to be cycle buddies with you!! :)

[SarahKateP]

Hi hun,

I am really sorry to hear all that you have been through huge (((((((((((hugs))))))))) I would love to get to know you hun and hear more about your story and go through this together - it sounds like we will be having FET around the same time!! Would love to hear any advice or tips or anything atall you have hun....

Our review meeting came back really good, they were very positive and encouraging and said that we were just "unlucky" - I hate that word!!! But I am staying strong and determined, have to keep going and keep trying.

Hope to chat very soon and keep this thread going and be FET buddies :o) Hop eyou are having a good weekend

Lots of love xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[stefanie1976]

I had a FET on June 9 - and I am 6 weeks prego.  It is still early - but do not give up hope.  I did 2 IVF's with regular embys.  Both times they stuck and I immediately miscarried.  This time, I had 34 eggs retrieved, 22 fertilized and 6 made it to blasto stage.  Since I hyperstimulated, they froze my embies for one cycle and on June 9th, we did the transfer and we are looking good at 6 weeks.  

Stay positive.  GOOD LUCK!!

[cwolf1006]

SarahKateP-"Unlucky"-Urgh, I hate that word too, don't Dr.s know by now we don't want to hear stuff like that, LOL! Hang in there, my only advice at this point is to stay strong and know it can and will happen!! We deserve it!!

Stefanie-Thank you for the encouragement! I love to hear positive results, it is so reassuring! Good luck and heres to a Happy Healthy Nine Months!

Hugs to you both!!

[mysty2001]

Hi
I have had 6 FETs
All protocols were a little different
Doc said one would be natural - but nurse went ahead and prescribed meds anyway
BOTH times I tool the steroids I miscarried! ( a singleton and twins)

I did not get preggo twice (one bad protocol , one bad lining I think)

I had a singleton and two sets of twins - using estrace and progesterone

[cwolf1006]

Thank you for your post. It sure helps to know that the frozen transfers really work, I have only had one implant so far, which ended in m/c. However, it is so reassuring to hear positive outcomes from people. I am currently on Vivelle Dots/Patches for the Estrogen and this time (my last) I will be using the Crinone instead of PIO. Hoping that makes all the difference! I have never been prescribed steroids, but have been on the baby aspirin, which since I have taken that I can't get any to implant, so I am hoping this time they decide to forego the aspirin. This is our last vial of frozen embies so I pray this is it! One happy healty baby is all I am hoping for :)!! They are lower grade embies but I have heard that these work just as well. Were all your embies that took higher grade?

[SarahKateP]

Hi everyone,

Sorry I haven't been on much, had a lot going on. Great to see all your posts and advice and wonderful to hear good news too, congratulations Stefanie ****baby glue*** hope the pregnancy goes wonderfully well for you hun. cwolf how are you hun? xxx

I am concerned that you Mysty hun miscarried both times you were on steroids?? As I was prescribed Prednisilone after last embryo transfer and will be taking it after natural FET - which is a steroid - it's supposed to aid implantation and stave off killer cells, as I have had 2 early mc's before (when TTC naturally before I lost my second tube to ectopic) and they have told me I will be taking this again after FET. I am a bit worried now that if i did get pregnant the steroids could cause me to miscarry? I also will be taking Clexane by injection - which is a blood thinner too and is supposed to help things along but I am a bit worried about this as it's similar to aspirin I think? Has anyone taken Clexane aswell??

Also, for support instead of them giving me progesterone - I will be having an injection of HCG - they told me this is exactly the same as giving progesterone and is actually better in some ways because it makes your body produce the progesterone on it's own as progesterone given sometimes isn't absorbed into the body very well.

Just wondered about your thoughts on all of this girls?

Hope you are all well, take care,

Sarah xxxxxxxxxxx

[mysty2001]

I was not a fan of aspirine after the miscarriages
SO, I only used it before transfer to get lining thick
I stopped it about 4 days before transfer

I have never heard of crinone - but good luck

(yes my boy boy twins from frozen were not good quality at all!)

[cwolf1006]

SarahKateP-Hey I'm doing good, how are you? It's such a crazy mix of emotions during this time huh? I have never had the Clexane, but it does sound very similar to the baby aspirin, it's used as a blood thinner, I think to help with clotting factors. There's so much to understand!! I just keep hoping that the Dr. knows best and that eventually it will work, no matter what meds I'm taking :) If it's meant to be, right?

Mysty-Thanks for the comment about your twin boys :) I bet they are a joy!!

[SarahKateP]

Hi everyone how are you all today?

Thanks for your replies girls I really appreciate it :o) I think I am going to talk to my clinic again and voice my concerns about the prednisilone and clexane - I mean they did advise it so you'd think they know what they are doing eh!? Like you cwolf (how are you hun??)  - I put a lot of trust in them and they have been amazing, but they are always telling me I shouldn't hesitate to contact them with any concerns or questions, so I will...!

I am doing okay ladies, just plodding along waiting for next period, on CD14 at the moment and have just ovulated (i know bang on when I do, can feel it and just kind of "know"!) so I am expecting period around CD27/28 - which is a little longer than usual but not bad atall. I have to call the clinic on Cycle Day 1 and they will sort me out with blood tests - although the clinic is quite far away from us - about an hour and a half drive, it's in Glasgow and we are on the other side of Edinburgh, and there's no way I could drive myself in a strange and busy city (Hubby always drives us there!) - major stress head and get panicky driving places I don't know lol!!! So as far as I know (a lady on another forum I use did this with natural cycle FET) instead of going to the clinic every day for bloods, the other option is to do ovulation tests myself at home and call them when I get my positive ovulation test and then into the clinic to confirm with bloods and ET arranged - man I hope it's that simple lol!? It almost sounds too simple if that makes sense lol!? I just hope that maybe my body will cope better and accept the embie with a natural FET, without all the stimulation drugs and stress of egg retrieval etc. Fingers crossed!

How is everyone doing? Stefenie hun how are you feeling? Have been thinking about you so much hun and really hope you are feeling loads better and bubs is getting lovely and comfy in there!! ***********BABY GLUE**********

Mysty lovely to hear about your twin boys huge congrats again :o) I have heard many many ladies getting pregnant with not great quality embryo's, I really don't think it matters atall and a lot of it is down to "luck" and embie implanting! I had a grade 1 - 8 cell embie transferred and it didn't take, so you can never tell!

I have been feeling really rough the last week or so, very lethargic and wiped out and constantly feeling very sick and nauseous (haven't been sick or anything just feeling sicky if you know what I mean!?) :o( I am not sleeping great either - I don't have a bug or anything I am sure - I just wondered did any of you feel this was after a fresh IVF cycle - as I am wondering if it could be the after effects of all the drugs and things during treatment???

Lots of love to you all ladies, hope you are well, where is everyone at now??

SarahKate :o) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mysty2001]

I know what you mean - I often have told my RE something another RE had done and he looked like I wasnuts "hey I am the Doctor"  look
BUT I didn't argue when they prescribed streoids - I just did not take

Also, with this last RE, he wanted an u/s more than once before I was six weeks - I am totally against that and I did not do it (same with blood work before HCG count) - I just felt I had had success before and knew my body! - Let him be mad!

But each of our situations is different.  best of luck!!

[SarahKateP]

I totally understand Mysty hun, we do know our own bodies, I am just really not sure now, I hate to think that if I get pregnant I could be harming my baby by taking the steroids and even worse cause a miscarriage, it makes me so nervous. I will talk to my clinic about this and if they still insist on the steroids I will ask my GP about it aswell. I'm thinking I may just take them for the 2ww and if pregnant then stop them myself - they did tell me I would be on them til' around 16 weeks if I get pregnant and the clexane injections would be right up until I was 37 weeks pregnant! Eak! I am going to air my concerns and see what they say, if they know I have done a bit of research myself and found cause for concern about the steroids they may say, "well if you aren't happy then don't take them" ,,, I will talk to them and let you guys know what they say about it. It's all just so confusing isn't it lol!? I did ask when IVF failed if the prednisilone and clexane could have had anything to do with that and she say no way, absolutely not - and I trust that, but the worry would be if I did get pregnant!

Anyway, I hope that it all works out, fingers crossed.

Hope everyone is well, take care xxxxxxxxxxx

[mbeliza]

Hi SarahKate-

It is looking like we'll be doing a Frozen Embryo Transfer too.  I just completed my first IVF.  We got 27 eggs and 22 fertilized.  In the end, we had 5 grade 2 blastocysts (and they implanted 2).  We got a positive pregnancy test, but unfortunately my HCG levels did not double every day as they should.  That said, my RE has me scheduled for an ultrasound tomorrow and we're going to discuss next options - which most likely will be the FET.  Please keep me posted on how your cycle goes.  Also, will they transfer blastocysts or earlier embryos?  And do you know why they decided to transfer the 8 cells for you as opposted to wait for the blastocysts?

Best wishes to you!

[anetski]

hi girls

I have just finished my first IVF this year and it failed. I had one done last year which gave us a son.

This time we got 19 eggs, 14 fertilized but after 5 days we only had 2 blastycyst left. They transfered one which didn't take and now we wait a month and then on to FET.
I hope this one works.

I will be following you guys to see how you go.

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SarahKateP]

Hi girls,

Thanks for posting :o)

mbeliza - Hi hun sorry to hear that your HCG hasn't risen as it should, but I will still keep my fingers crossed for your scan and hope that everything could still be okay hun, you never know - it could have been a glitch or something and I really hope that the scan reveals some good news for you and if not then huge (((((hugs)))))) Stay strong and wishing you gentle days hun. Wow what an amazing amount of eggs and embies! Ouch your poor ovaries lol you must have been in a lot of discomfort! I know I was really uncomfortable and I had 19 follicles and 13 eggs retrieved!! Did you have a good few embies frozen? In answer to your question hun, my clinic do do blasto transfers but they explained to us that this isn't ideal in every case, they said that if the embryo is healthy enough at day 2-3 then there is no real benefit to leave them to go to blasto stage, as if they are good and healthy enough at day 2-3 the best place for them in back inside your body where they can grow. They also said that the risk of leaving them to go to blasto stage is that when put back in, they may not develop any further as they have been left outside your body too long. That's what my clinic told me anyway - but I have heard a lot of success with blasto transfers, so I do plan to talk to my clinic about maybe trying this next time since a day 3 transfer didn't work last time. I wish you all the best hun please let me know how your scan and meeting goes *******BABY DUST********

Hi anetski, so sorry to hear that IVF didn't work out for you hun (((((((hugs))))))) I hope your Hubby is looking after you, stay strong. Congratulations though on the birth of your son, that must have been wonderful hun, I am so happy to hear of success stories :o) I really hope FET works for you too, when are you roughly due to be having this done?? I am due my next period around the 24th July then will be having FET when I ovulate about two weeks later - so should roughly be around the 5-8th August if my body plays nice lol. Are you having a natural FET like me or are you having any drugs with it hun?? Hope you are okay *********BABY DUST*********

I am doing okay girls, haven't been feeling very well the last couple of weeks :o( Feel soooooo tired and very run down, not sleeping well and emotionally wiped out really, I think it is just the after effects of IVF stuff, but I am very wary about feeling down or depressed as I have had problems in the past. Seeing my GP (Doctor) today so will have a chat with her about it all. I am really trying to stay determined and positive about FET but finding it quite hard at the moment and really feeling quite useless and hating my body at the minute :o(

Hope everyone is okay - lots of love to all xxxxxxxxxxxx ******BABY DUST*******

[jobygirl]

Hi I am waitng for my second go they collected 13 eggs of me and husband sperm firtilized all my eggs which was fantastic.  But our first ivf failed and were very upset and now have to have this months cycle and next months cycle but at the moment i am three days late.  Can i ask you Sarahkatep after your failed IVF after your first bleed when you lost your embros the next period you had after that was you a few days late at all, I dont think i am preganant as we havent had sex at all this month but i am not sure if one embro is still in there its crazy thinking but anything can happen when your not expecting it.  Any way you take care and keep in toutch as your frozen embros will be before me as i am haveing two frozen ones put in in september so good luck and keep smiling.

From Jobygirl. ( United Kingdom).    :-)

[SarahKateP]

Hi hun sorry to hear that IVF didn't work for you either hun (((((hugs)))) I know how upsetting it is, having just gone through it. That's great news about the fertilisation rate though, well done you and Hubby lol!!! I really wish you all the best for FET and really hope it works out for you and you get your bfp, please keep me posted!!

In answer to your question hun, I haven't had my next period after IVf yet, had the period after transfer of course, which was "normal" but I am waiting for my next period to come, and with this cycle I will be having FET. My period is due around the 24th July, and I know that I ovulated on cycle day 14 (I know bang on and feel it!) So I expect my period to come on cycle day 28/29. (14-15dpo) I have to say though, my cycle is usually only 25-26 days, so yes, I guess you could say it will be a little later than normal by a couple of days. But not late with respect to when I ovulated if you know what I mean? Perhaps this is a common thing after IVF and it's not surprising after all our bodies have just gone through! Wishing you all the best hun, let me know how you get on ********BABY DUST*********

SarahKate xxx

[SarahKateP]

Just bumping up xxxx hope everyone is well xxxxx

[jobygirl]

Hi Sarahkatep,

I have just started my period today i was six days late thought i might of been pregnant but i am not, so after this period we will try on our own and fingers crossed it might happen lets hope :-)  My second lot of eight embros will be due september but there frozen at the moment so for now till then i hope and pray we get our first baby which ever way but it is harder for me as i have a blocked left tube and right ovarie is a bit slower than the left this why we are IVF.  but i will keep everything crossed for you and your hubby/partner.

Its nice to know i have you and maybe others to talk to and thats great for me thankyou.  I live near liverpool Merseyside and my hospital for my IFV is in liverpool too, and its called the womens liverpool hospital.  I dont know if you live in england or abroad but either way i will keep in toutch with you and let know how i am and where we are upto and you keep in toutch to i am always here to chat after tea, around 9pm i come on the internet so you take care and look after each other and i will pray you will get the little joy of life you have been waiting for.  Form jobygirl. xx :-)

[SarahKateP]

Hi hun,

I am sorry that you didn't get that bfp hun, but atleast your period arrived and you now know where you are if you know what i mean? I really wish you all the very best for FET in September hun and in the meantime it would be just wonderful for you to fall naturally!!! They do say that this can happen when you least excpect it! I have heard of so many couple who have been trying for so long with no luck and then when they go onto the next step of fertility treatment, they suddenly fall pregnant naturally and end up completely surprised! So don't give up hope hun, it can happen and stay strong and positive and you neve ever know!!!! *********baby dust****** Sadly that's not an option for us as I have lost both my tubes, so can't get pregnant naturally anymore (I think there is a 0.1% chance of it lol it would be a miracle!) so IVF is our only option, but I am trying to stay determined and strong and I don't plan on giving up until I get my precious little baby we have tried so long for and are so desperate for, the only thing I have is hope and I hang onto that with all my strength and it's the only thing that keeps me going. Some days are so hard and I do suffer with depression, severe stress and anxiety because of all we have been through, so much so that I had to give up work and I barely leave the house :o( It's very hard some days and I just feel like a useless lump, my body has failed me so terribly and sometimes I just hate my body so much for letting me down so badly. I got pregnant 4 times which ended in 2 early miscarriages and 2 ectopics and now IVF has failed too, sometimes I feel it's all my fault and my stupid body just won't work :o( It's almost like now I have nothing in my life except this gaping big hole ready for a baby and it's all I can think about, it's almost like an obsession now. I feel so guilty sometimes too, because I have such a wonderful husband, he is amazing and he would make a wonderful daddy, he is so desperate to be a daddy and it just breaks my heart that so far I just can't do that for him. It's horrible, I am sure you understand where I am coming from hun. I just hope so much that we both can get there, and soon! ******baby dust*****

I would love to keep in touch with you sweetie! I have found this site wonderful and the girls are amazing - I wish I had found this site years ago! I am in Scotland hun, I live in a wee town just outside Edinburgh, so still in the UK lol. Our clinic is in Glasgow though so is a bit of a drive away, but it's a wonderful clinic and I don't mind the travelling atall. Keep in touch hun and let me know how you are doing, would love to get to know you better. If you are on Facebook go ahead and add me, you'll find me under SarahKate Paterson and the profile pic is hubby and me cutting our wedding cake with a blue background! (Same goes for any of you other ladies, go ahead and add me if any of you are on Facebook, just leave me a wee message so I know who you are lol!!! )

Sending **********baby dust********** and luck to all

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[SarahKateP]

Hi hun I was just wondering how you are??? I have been thinking about you loads and wondering how your scan went the other day?? Keeping everything crossed for you, let me know how you are hun xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mbeliza]

Hey There-

So sorry for the late response.  Last week was a very emotional week for my husband and myself and I was off of the internet.  We ended up going in for our ultrasound and they confirmed that we did loose the preganancy.  They ordered me off the meds and they are waiting to see if my HCG levels go down on their own.  If not, they are going to give me some (methotroxine - sp?) this afternoon to help that happen.  The FET will most likely be in September.  The good news is that we have 3 more grade 2 blastocysts.  We'll probably end up doing two rounds of the FET to cover the remaining 3 blastocysts and we'll do a second fresh cycle if those don't take.  Luckily, we purchased an all-inclusive plan which will cover all of these attempts within a one year time period - so this takes a good amount of pressure off of us financially.

Good luck to you (and everyone else on this site) on your FET.  I will pray for you that it works out.  But it's great that you have so many frozen embryos!  You should also consider asking them if they will transfer more than one next time, it may help your odds.

Please let me know how the rest of your journey works out and we'll do the same.  I appreciate you starting this discussion group.

Lots of love and baby dust,
Michelle

[SarahKateP]

Awwww hunnie I am so sorry it was bad news at your scan (((((((HUGS)))))))) I really had everything crossed that there would be good news for you and your Hubby, it must have been just heartbreaking for you. Thank you for posting a message hun, I was thinking of you so much. Bless your little angel ******baby dust******

I am really glad though, to hear you planning ahead and that you have your frozen embryo's and a plan for what's happening, it's also great that there is no pressure financially too, as we all know the financial costs can be horrendous and crippling :o( So that is great hun, I truly wish you all the very best for FET in September hun and I will be thinking of you and keeping everything crossed. I'd love to keep in touch hun and keep this discussion thread going throughout, as kind of a diary for us all experiencng IVF and FET. Thank you so much for your wishes of good luck, I am getting really nervous for upcoming FET. Our clinic are still going to do a single embryo transfer this time, but dh and I have decided if this doesn't work we will push to have two embies transferred on our 3rd try. I am clinging onto the fact that the average success of IVF is 1 in 3, so fingers crossed our time is coming soon.

Thinking of you always hun *******baby dust******

Hope everyone else is really well, luck and *****baby dust***** to all of you

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mbeliza]

Thanks for the encouraging words.  Hey, one other thing for you to try is acupuncture.  Have you looked into that?  There are some studies that show acupuncture before and after transfer can increase success rates.

[SarahKateP]

Yeah hun I have wanted to get accupuncture, have heard really good things about it but unfortunately it's just so expensive, there's no way we can afford it at the moment. We are using all the money we have for IVF :o(

*********baby dust*********

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxx

[SarahKateP]

Hi ladies I am just bumping this up and to say thinking of you all and hope you are all well.

Lots of love,

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mbeliza]

I was just thinking, if you can't afford acupuncture, you may still want to include some principles of Chinese Medicine as you prep for your FET.  There is a very famous acupuncturist in the San Francisco Bay Area that has helped many women get pregnant.  She has people follow a pretty strict and healthy diet.  If you order her book, it has the diet in there.  I did it prior to my IVF cycle.  I do think it contributed to my positive test - just too bad I had a misscarriage.

This is her website:  http://www.wushealingcenter.com/index.html  You can order her book off of Amazon.com.

[SarahKateP]

Hi hun, thank you so much for your advice, I really appreciate it :o)

Over here in the UK we have a fertility specialist called Zita West - don't know if you have heard of her over ther? She uses all of the same specialities as the person you mentioned hun, chinese medicine and accupuncture and special diets and vitamins etc. I got her book (Zita West's Guide To Getting Pregnant) months ago and regard it as my bible lol, have done pretty mcuh everything in it and plan to again for FET. I also use her IVF relaxation sessions on CD, which are just wonderful, they make you focus during relaxation on all the important accu-pressure points related to chinese medicine. It's really good. So I think that's as close to accupuncture as I will get at the moment, unless we win the lottery of course lol!! Thanks for your advice though hun I really appreciate it as I said. How are you doing hun?? *****baby dust*****

We haven't heard from any other ladies on here for a bit, just wondering how are you all doing? Really hope you are all well. I'd love to keep this thread going as a support for us all experiencing FET, at whatever stage. Lots of love to all and ********baby dust all round*******

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[sophie_bulbul]

I am visiting this page for the first time. I found it very interesting. It looks like we have shared problem. I am on my first IVF treatment. I had single fresh blastocyst transferred on 25th July. . My pragnancy test will be on 6th August.

Best of luck to all of US.
Sara

[SarahKateP]

Hi Sara,

Welcome to the thread! I really wish you all the very best for your treatment, I hope that you get your BFP on the 6th of August!! *******BABY GLUE********** Please let us all know how you get on :o) I take it this was a fresh cycle hun? Did you have any embies frozen?

I am due to have a natural FET this cycle, after our first fresh attempt sadly failed in June. I just started my period ysterday, I am booked into my clinic on cycle day 10 for my first blood test, I will then go in every 2nd or 3rd day until ovulation is detected, then embryo transfer will be 3-5 days after this, our embryo's were frozen at day 3 but the clinic have not ruled out letting them go to blastocyst stage once they are thawed out - i just depends how they do, but they have said they are more likely to be transferred at day 3 or 4. We have 8 grade 1, 8 cell embryo's frozen and are hoping like hell it works this time. I am hoping that without all the drugs and truama of egg retrieval my body may cope better and accept the embryo. Fingers crossed!

Good luck to you hun, I hope the time goes quick for you and you get that bfp ****baby glue****

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[SarahKateP]

Hi all,

Just bumping this up, as it's gone very quiet :o(

How is everyone????

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[sophie_bulbul]

Thank you sarakate for your reply. Yes this is my fresh cycle. I do have four embryos  and 5 blastocyst frozen, which is very good and increased the hope for ultimate pragnancy. I actually ended up with 22 eggs 17 fertilized. I am glade that you also have 8 frozen embryo. I wish and pray that your  FET gives you a healthy pragnancy this time. You are right that without all the drugs and truama of egg retrieval your body will  cope better and accept the embryo. One of my friends had the same situation as yours. She didn't get pragnant with FreahET but in the second chance with FrozenET she became pragnant. she has now a 2 years old baby.

Good luck to you and I will keep you in my prayers.

Please be intouch:)
sara

[SarahKateP]

Hi Sara hun,

Thanks so much for posting again :o) And thank you so much for telling me about your friend, it really lifts my spirits and makes me feel happier when I hear of success stories like your friends, so thank you very much hun :o) That's fantastic.

Wow hun you did so well wth your fresh cycle!!!!! Plenty left in stock, just brilliant!!! I bet your poor ovaries felt very battered and and bruised during and after your egg retrieval!? But well done you! We had 13 eggs collected and 11 fertilised, which was brilliant for us because they had originally said I would probably have a poor response to the stimulation drugs, and said we would probably only get 6 eggs! So we were over the moon to end up with 9 grade 1, 8 cell embies :o) I just hope with all my heart that this next go works, I am so desperate to be a Mummy it hurts. I am getting very nervous now lol!

So how are you feeling hun? I bet ever hour feels like a whole day at the moment doesn't it? I found treatment to go very quick but when it came to the 2ww it dragged and dragged! I hope you are managing to rest plenty and feel positive, I am thinking of you and truly wishing for you BFP on the 6th Aug!!! ********BABY GLUE****** and lovely positive vibes for you!!! How many embies did you have tranferred if you don't mind me asking hun? Where are you from?

Really hope you are well, and I would love to keep in touch, do take care and hope to talk soon.

*****baby dust***** to all , how is everyone else?? :o)

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[SarahKateP]

Bump :o) xxxxxxxxxx

[krichar]

I guess i am in the same boat as you, just a few months behind so it will nice to have someone to hear from about their experiences. Here in Canada they won't let me do another transfer until i have had 2 menstral cycles so that my hormones are all balanced out, plus there is a 2-3 month waitlist (There is only one clinic in my province and people come from other ones as well because of their great results). So i am HOPING!!! for an September/october transfer. I would so love to get to konw you and be there during your journey as i too am terrified of an FET

[SarahKateP]

Hi hun how are you?

Great to hear from you and sorry to hear about everything you have gone through huge ((((hugs)))) I am sorry you will have to wait a bit longer, but fingers crossed for FET asap hun, I will have everything crossed for you and hope aswell that FET will bring you your well deserved BFP ***baby dust***

I would love to get to know you too hun and be there throughout your journey too :o) I am getting quite nervous now, and really not feeling very positive after failing last time I just hope so much it does work but I am preparing for the worst, if you know what I mean. I am on CD7 at the moment, so just waiting to ovulate really, though not sure when this will be, as last cycle was unusually long! Hope it's sooner rather than later!! Fingers firmly crossed for us both and everyone else too, lots of love and ******baby dust****


SarahKate xxxxxxxxx

[sophie_bulbul]

Hi Sarakate,
I had transffered one blastocyst. Although it was my own choice but I prefered one for the first time and also the clinic recommends one for my age group. I didn't have any problem during my whole treatment including egg retreivals etc. My doctors told me that I hyperstimulated and I am in the risk of OHHS and I should wait for one or two months and then do the transfer. But as I didn't feel any symptoms of OHHS in my body and I asked them to do the fresh transfer. And so they did transfer on 26th July. The 2WW time is really stressful.  
I will do my blood test tomorow, I have light spotting from the last two days with some moderate to severe headach. I don't know what is going on in my body lol. But I am still positive and waiting for tomorw blood test result. I called the clinic and told them about my spotting. They said I should wait and see. they told me it might be the begining of my periods or just spotting and will disappear. I hope it disppears and I get healthy pragnancy. fingers crossed.


I live in New Zealand and am originally from Middle East.

Talk to you soon.

[SarahKateP]

Hiya hun,

How are you doing? Did you have your blood test today?? I really hope you got good news hun and a lovely BFP!!! *******baby dust******* I am the same as you hun, we has single embie transfer aswell and will be having one embryo transferred with the next go with FET, it is my clinic's policy due to my age group etc aswell, but we preferred one too. I think if it doesn't work this time again, we will probably try and push clinic to transfer two the next time, though the thought does scare me to death! I really hope your spotting has just been implantation spotting hun, it is very very common in early pregnancy, especially in IVF ladies. I am glad all your treatment went well and that you didn't show symptoms of OHSS as that can be so awful! Did you have eny embryo's frozen hun?

Thinking of you hun, let me know how you have got on, wishing you a big huge healthy BFP :o) **************baby dust**********

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[sophie_bulbul]

Unfortunately my blood result was negative. My spotting turned to heavy bleeding yesterday, and is still continued. I usually had pain in my period but this time it is painless. This means I got my periods before my beta test.
I talked to the nurse about the next step. She siad the doctors will review the sitiuation and will see what to do next. The nurse told me that I should call them the first day of my period in October. I said I want it in September if is possible. She said she will talk to the doctors and will let me know than.
The good news is that I have 9 frozen embryo. 4 are day 1 embryos and the other five are blastocysts. I am thinking of transffering two frozen blastocyst next time. But am still not sure of this decision.
I also did accupunture treatment recently as well.
I will start my normal activies from tomorow which is cleaning the house which I didn't for the last 10 days :) and then starts cooking delicious food for my dear husband. He is very nice and supportive through out the process.  The good point is that I am self employed. Doing business through internet, which is very good and keeps me pretty busy.
I would love to hear from you all the time. Please be intouch. I turely wish you a successful cycle this time.

[SarahKateP]

Awwww hunnie I am so sorry :o( Sending you massive ((((((((hugs))))))))) I really had everything crossed and was thinking of you so much. I am very glad to hear though that you are sounding quite positive and keen to get going again, this is really good - keep going and keep fighting :o) Glad to hear about your frozen embies that is fantastic, I think you will have a really good chance there, I know it's a difficult decision on how many etc - but you will come to the right decision for you I am sure, have a good talk when you are up to it with your Husband and I am sure it will fall into place. Wishing you very gentle days and stay strong hun **********baby dust********

I am okay, ball is rolling now - had first appointment at clinic today for bloods, and will go in again on Sat and/or Mon for the next one, so we basically wait til I ovulate and then see how well/if the embies thaw out and schedule FET accordingly.

How is everyone else doing? Hope you are all okay

Lots of love and ***********baby dust********

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mbeliza]

So sorry to hear about your test, but I think you have a really good chance of an eventual pregnancy with so my embryos frozen.  Best of luck to you!

[sophie_bulbul]

Thank you for your responses and encouragement. I feel much better now. Yesterday my husband called and asked about the result. I told him it was negative. But when he came home and saw my happy face with big smile and fesh skin he didn't beleive that I got negative result :). He was waiting for the GOOD news and I finally told him that there is no good news as such you think. But I am thankful to God that He gave me the strength to stay calm and positive. I think we all should do the same. There is no need for blaming our body or any one else for what we want is not happening. I have full faith in God and sooner or later we will all have beautiful babies :)

Sara how was your appoinment today. When is the expected date of your ovulation?  Best of luck to you.

mbeliza when are you planning your FET?

I am expecting September/October FET.

[SarahKateP]

Hey hun I am so glad you are staying positive, I know it's not easy but it is great that you are, you will probably have your good and bad days, as we all do, but if you can stay strong, focused and determined, it really makes all the difference *****baby dust*****

I am okay thank you hun, bloods yesterday but was only CD10 so not ovulating yet - got two further appointments booked for tomorrow (CD12) and Monday (CD14) so fingers crossed I will ovulate soon!!! As soon as I ovulate they will schedule transfer, obviously depending on how the embies do...so watch this space, FET should be happening within the next week or two...fingers firmly crossed lol :o)

Really hope everyone else is well, lots of love and *****baby dust****** to all

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[hannahcameron]

HI SARAHKATE,

JUST SAW THIS THREAD - AND IT MADE ME JOIN MEDHELP!!! AM SO SORRY TO HEAR OF ALL YOUR FERTILITY STRUGGLES - I AM SURE THAT THIS FET WILL WORK OUT JUST GREAT - I HAVE MY FINGERS CROSSED FOR YOU!!!

I TOO JUST HAD MY FIRST FAILED IVF -GUTTED - AND AM HOPING TO MOVE ON TO FET ASAP!! I THINK THEY WILL LET ME START AFTER MY NEXT PROPER PERIOD..

I AM AT THE ARGC - AND I WAS GIVEN CLAXANE DURING THE 2WW AS WELL AS BABY ASPIRIN - THE CLAXANE WORKS IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY TO THE BABY ASPIRIN AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD HAS FABULOUS RESULTS...(ALL 5 OF THE GIRLS I CYCLED WITH USED IT AND HAVE A BFP!)

NEXT TIME I AM GOING TO TRY IT ALL (IMMUNE TESTING, HYSTEROSCOPY THE WORKS! - THEY DID LIMITED TESTS ON ME AS THEY THOUGHT PROBLEM WAS DUE TO DH VASECTOMY REVERSAL...)!!  FOR SOME REASON MY EMBRYO TRANSFER WAS QUITE PAINFUL, AND AM HOPING THAT MY BODY WILL RESPOND BETTER TO THE TRANSFER WHEN I AM ON A RELATIVELY NON MEDICATED CYCLE....

PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW YOU GET ON - I AM GOING TO FOLLOW THIS THREAD - SO WONDERFUL TO SEE SO MUCH SOLIDARITY..

XX HANNAH

[mbeliza]

Hannah - I'm so sorry to hear about your cycle too, but it sounds like you are taking all the right steps for the next one.  What is the ARGC?  My transfer was extremely painful too (and I had been close to hyperstimulating on my cycle), so I'm hoping that the lack of meds on my FET will help me out.

Sophie - Your email really inspired me this morning.  Thanks for those good words.  My chin is up today.  :)

SarahKate - Wow, you are getting so close!  I am keeping my fingers crossed for you.  Do you know about ovulation predictor kits?  You can also check from home if you wanted to as a supplement to what your doctor is doing.  For natural cycles, my doctor actually just uses those and an ultrasound as opposed to blood tests to see when you are ready.

Good luck everyone and thanks SarahKate for starting the thread!

[hannahcameron]

Hi Girls

Firstly - Sarahkate - sorry i feel like i am crashing your post hope you don't mind - but reading all the posts makes me feel sane again! - good luck for your scans tomorrow and Monday!! cant wait to hear about your BFP!!!


Mbeliza - Just read your posts - so sorry for your loss...I had a chemical pregnancy so my levels were very low and i had to keep on retesting until they had fallen and they knew it wasnt an eptopic....It makes me so sad wondering my my body rejected the embryo...and of course that irrational fear that once it has failed it will never work!

I was also very close to hyper-stimulating - i wonder if that affected the pain for the embryo  transfer? and whether it affects the implantation?? I hadn't actually thought of that as i am very new to this....(the ARGC is supposed to be the best clinic in London England - and i have to say they have been amazing so far)

How many frosties do you have?? I am sure that the lack of the meds will be a big positive for both of us - everything on our cycle went so well until the ET and then  i cramped from that day and it never settled....Will you continue to have accupuncture until your FET..i am thinking of starting..(i only had 2 session for my last cycle)

Wishing all of you girls the best of luck!!!
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[sophie_bulbul]

Hannah I am sorry to hear about your failed cycle. I wish the FET works for you and all of us. I was also close to Hyperstimulation since 22 eggs were retreived, however, I had very easy ET. It took only 2-3 minutes and I didn't feel anything at all.  

I think the major threat to hyperstimulated patient from ET is that it will increase the possibility of OHSS being caused by the hCG hormone, if a pregnancy occur.

Sara I am thinking of you and THANK YOU for not only  starting the thread but, for keeping it alive as well :).

Good luck every one!

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[hannahcameron]

Hi Sophie,

I see that we both had one blast transfered (i too chose to have just the one transfered - as they were apparently perfect hatching blasts)...next time i will be putting back 2!!!

I am so sorry too to see you had a BFN - and wish you all the best of luck with you FET (how many do you have?)

My ET took about 45 mins!! they tend to clean first etc - but damn it hurt!!

Thank you for your info on hyperstimulation...i understand now!!

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!! - SARAH KATE thinking about you for your scan tody!
xxx

[mbeliza]

Hannah - It seems like we had a very similar experience.  Although my HCG continued to rise and they had to give me methotrotrexate to make it fall.  I just started miscarrying last week, and I'm still bleeding.  It's been 13 days of bleeding so far for me.  :(  To answer your question on frozens, we have 3 frozen blastocysts.  They are all grade 2, 2 are blastocysts and 1 is a hatching blastocyst.  During my initial transfer, they transfered 2 grade 2 blastocysts.  We also had 8 grade 3 blastocysts, but my clinic here in San Francisco has high standards on what they choose to freeze and said that they only freeze grades 1 and 2.  What about you??

Everyone else - good luck on your journey this week.  And SarahKate, I'm continuing to wish you good thoughts as you are the first of us to go through the FET.  We are living vicariously through you!

All - I don't know if you've heard this or not, but supposedly there is a clinic in Denver with success rates of 53% live births for my age group (35 to 37) and over 60% live births for people under 35.  If our package does not work out, we are going to go to Denver to try them.  I know you are all International, so I don't know the success rates of where you  are going . . .  but here is the link in case you are interested:  http://www.colocrm.com/
Hopefully none of us will need it.  :)

Also, I have a dumb question from these fertility posts.  I know that "DH" is for husband, but what does the acronym stand for?  I also know that "BFP" is a positive pregnancy test, but what does that acronym stand for?  Thanks for the education.

[mysty2001]

dear husband for most of you (but it could mean dumb or dipwad if you are a man hater (LOL)

Big Fat Positive

[anetski]

hi

I am going to have my frozen transfer in beginning of Sep. I am just waiting for AF to show after one naturaly cycle. I hope it doesn't but I know it will.

Good luck to everyone in here.

[sophie_bulbul]

Yes Hannah I had one day five blastocyst transffered.
I have 9 embryos frozen.  4 are 2-8 cells embryo. 3 day five blastocyst and 2 day six blastocyst.
I am also thinking of putting back 2 this time. How many embryos do you have?

mbeliza  although I didn't m/c  but I am also having heavier and longer period this time. I have lower back pain this time which I never experienced that badly before. I think this is all due to medication. Drink as much water as you can to flash out all the medicin from your body. I drink 4 to 5 liters a day, spend almost half a day in the toilet lol.
what is hatching blastocyst. Is it day six blastocyst or some thing else?

Sarakate I wish every thing is going perfect with you.

Best wishes to every one!
xxxx

[sophie_bulbul]

Best of luck to you. We are all waiting for FET. How many frozen embryos you have and how many you planning to transfer.

xxxx

[SarahKateP]

Wow I was away for a couple of days and now so many posts :o) Wooooooooo I am sooooo happy lol :o)

Hannah welcome to you my lovely it's great to have you here :o) I am so sorry to hear about everything you have gone through hun huge ((((((hugs)))))))) I hope you can go straight ahead with FET - as I am doing - after your next period. I am at the GCRM in Glasgow hun which is in the top 3 clinics in Britain - they are fantastic too :o) I am not actually having any scans hun - just been going in for blood tests so they can tell when I ovualte - no drugs or anything this time, they will just track when I ovulate (which will hopefully be soon!) then schedule transfer for 3-5 days after this, all our 8 embies were frozen on day 3, all grade 1, 8 cell embies, but they have not ruled out letting the embies get to blasto once thawed - it just depends how they do - which I think is good as they are staying open minded and like to "wait and see" !! They are going to thaw out 3 embryo's to give us the best chance of getting the best one and to allow for any not making it :o( The plan is single embryo transfer, but I have not ruled out having two put back if any survive but are not good enough to be re-frozen, I just can't bear the thought of discarding any of my babies that survive thawing but can't be re-frozen!! It's all very difficult to decide, how many to transfer etc - we have been torn up about it all to be honest, but I am trying not to worry and just wait and see what happens! I will be having as support, a HCG injection to boost progesterone and also taking prednisilone (which is a steroid and is meant to stave off killer cells) and Clexane injections (which as you know is a blood thinner) They have also said I can start taking these the day before transfer so that they are in my system before transfer, just something a bit different we didn't do last time - i will try anything lol!!!

Mbeliza hun I am doing ovulation tests at home aswell lol!! I am on CD13 today and due to take one in about 10 mins after holding my wee in for 4 hours - I am bursting hahaha!! I wanted to do it mself as a back up! Had bloods done at the clinic yesterday and got more tomorrow - so fingers crossed I ovulate soon - Come on ovaries be nice - ovulate soon for mama!!!!!

How is everyone else doing?? I hope you are all well girls, I am so pleased to see this thread so active and full of such wonderful girls, all going through similar things - it's just brilliant to have this support for all of us, we will get eachother through it all and we will get our BFP's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

****************BABY DUST ALL ROUND!!!*****************

Love to all,

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I am keeping everything firmly crossed for all of us girls, we are all here to support eachother through all of this!!

[SarahKateP]

Just did ovulation test and still negative :o( Fingers crossed the bloods tomorrow will show up that things will happen soon....COME ON OVARIES!!!!! OVULATE FOR MAMA!!!!! lol


**************baby dust************

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[sophie_bulbul]

Thank you for all the information about FET procedure. My clinic record shows that 80% of embryos that are frozen survive the process of freezing and thawing, which is pretty good.
You are right it is always not easy to decide how many to transfer and what will happen to the rest of the embryos if they survive and will not be refrozen. I think these are common concerns with every woman, but lets hope for the best.

This is so good that the time for your ET is colsed. I am very excited for you and  cann't wait to hear the good news:)
All my best wishes are with you!

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[anetski]

I have 1 frozen embryo so it better stick!!!!! Otherwise back to where we started...another fresh cycle. Don't want to have to do that again.

[SarahKateP]

Morning girls,

Just a quick post before I get organised to go to the clinic (appointment is at 10.15am but because of traffic in Edinburgh and then in Glasgow I have to leave at 8.30am!)

Sophie thanks for that info hun - it's good to hear of such a high percentage rate for thawing embies, it does make me feel better - but also makes me worry too, what if all 3 survive but aren't good enough to be re-frozen eak dilemma!!!! I will just have to try and stay calm and wait and see....I have been coming round to the idea more of getting two if that's what our choice ends up, I mean I know I would be more unhappy about letting one or two perish if they were good enough to transfer but not to be re-frozen! It's all so confusing isn't it!? Thanks for your wishes of good luck hun, it really means a lot *****baby dust******

Anetski hun I really hope your frostie does the job, I know it must be very nerve wracking to have everything on one - but at the end of the day, one is all it takes!!!! I will be keeping everything firmly crossed for you too hun ****baby dust****

Well better get organised girls, fingers crossed the blood today shows something is happening!!!!! I have had a bit of EWCM last night and this morning so that should mean ovulation is coming soon :o) I should get results later on this afternoon around 4pm so I will let you all know how it goes!

Thanks for all your support,

Much love,

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[butterflybabies]

Good Luck! Fingers crossed for you!!

[SarahKateP]

Woooo Hoooo girls I have my positive ovulation test!!!! :o) Just have to talk to the clinic later to confirm today's bloods and everything but I imagine transfer will likely be Thursday or Friday!!!! Aaaaaaaarrrrrgghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! I am sooooo nervous now!!!!!

************baby dust********** all round I think!

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mbeliza]

SarahKate-  Best of luck this week and relax.  I am keeping my fingers crossed for you!  You have many good quality embryos, so I think your chances are good.
Mysty2001- Thanks for the acronym translations.  I feel much more "in the know" and can now inform my "dear husband" as to what they mean.  :)

[SarahKateP]

Thanks so much hun :o)

I am sitting eagerly by the phone waiting for the clinic to call and confirm everything! Ring!! Ring!! Ring!!! LOL :o) Hope you are okay hun xxxxxx

[SarahKateP]

Just to let you all know, I have spoken to the clinic who have confirmed LH surge and impending ovulation :o) Embryo's will be thawed out on Friday and all being well embryo transfer will be on Saturday morning!!!!!!! They will call us on Friday to tell us how the embies are doing and times for transfer hopefully if any embies make it through thawing ******baby dust***** I feel sick now my stomach is churning so much!!!!!!!!! Eeeeeaaaaak so scared!!!!

Love and ***baby dust*** to all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[sophie_bulbul]

Glade to hear that every thing is on the right track. Good luck and relax. Watch some comedy show on TV or rent some funny movies.
The idea of putting back two embryos sounds good. If I were you I would have done the same in that situation. It is better to make up your mind in advance in order to avoid any hesitation on the day of ET.

Fingers firmly crossed for you!!!!!!

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[SarahKateP]

Thank you so much hun :o) Yeah our minds are made up if we come to that situation we will know what to do, just keeping our fingers crossed the embies do well when thawed ou *****baby dust*****

I will keep you all posted!!

How is everyone else doing? Well I hope

Lots of love and ****baby dust**** all round!

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[mbeliza]

Good luck!  I will be thinking about you on Saturday (well, I guess it will be Friday night my time since I'm in San Francisco).  :)

I think 2 embryos is the way to go!  If you end up with twins it is a double blessing.  My husband calls it "one and done".  Actually, we are hoping for twins.

[SarahKateP]

Awww thank you hun, bless you. How are you doing? Where are you now with going for FET?? Sorry I know you have probably told me hun but I have an awful memory lol, forgive me! ***baby dust*** We have decided we will get two embies transferred if that's what it comes to, couldn't bare to "discard" any of my babies, no way!!! The reason I am so concerned and scared about twins hun, is my family history of premature birth and placenta previa. I was born at 27 weeks with placenta previa, and almost died. My mum had a girl before me who was born at 25 weeks with placenta previa and sadly died. My Mum and my two Aunties were also born premature with placenta previa and almost died, There is a "myth" in our family that we can't carry girls full term, so I am very scared about all this - as I would be with a singleton pregnancy, but obviously with the added risks that twins bring anyway, it does worry me. I guess it's just a personal thing, there has never been enough medical research into this to prove either way if premature birth and placenta previa is hereditory (sorry probably spelt that wrong!) but it is a personal worry for us, and due to my history of miscarriage and ectopics, I will be a nervous wreck whether it's twins or single, we just have to keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best whatever happens, if we end up pregnant and with a singleton or twins, we will handle it and just hope that after all we have been through we deserve to and will have a healthy pregnancy and birth!

***********baby dust to all*************

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[SassyCassie]

I had a frozen embryo transfer last week...i'm seven days in and things are good so far...i was on bedrest for 72 hours after and can't lift or move anything until a fetal heartbeat is seen....which seems like forever away!  My HCG level today is 132 and I'll go back next tuesday for more bloodwork.  We had two embryos transferred....keep your fingers crossed that is it successful full term, as I had a miscarriage at 10 wks last fall.  I will keep you posted.

SassyCassie

[sophie_bulbul]

Good luck to SaraKate and SassyCassie!!!!!!!

[SarahKateP]

Hey Cassie hun, good to hear from you, and welcome to our thread!!! I really hope everything turns out great fpor you hun, have got everything crossed for you blood work on Tuesday!!! *****baby glue***** !!! Where are you from hun? I see on this site most ladies have blood work done to check if IVF successful, but at my clinic they just wait to do a normal pregnancy test, they haven't mentioned doing any early bloods or anything. I see ladies also mentioning BETA tests very often, I have never heard of this but I am presuming it's the same as HCG level test...!??

The time seems to be going so damn slow...Saturday seems so long away!!!!!! Just counting the hours and minutes lol :o)

Sophie how are you hun?? And how is everyone else??

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxx **************baby dust************* all round xxxxxx

[mbeliza]

Oh dear, I had no idea about the placenta previa and I can only imagine how scared you are.  Well, let's hope the stars align for you.  My cousin ended up having placenta previa with her first two children, but she did not on her third.  They basically put her on bedrest for her entire pregnancy.

In terms of our FET, we are now in waiting mode.  My miscarrage (miscarriage) has resolved and yesterday they confirmed that my HCG is negative.  So, now I wait one full cycle.  After that, they will do the FETs 5 days after I ovulate (since I have blastocysts).  We have 3 frozen and we will transfer two.  BTW - Beta is the quantitative HCG results.

SassyCassie - Great news on your HCG.  I will pray that they double for you.  Similar to you, I had a miscarrage (miscarriage) my last go round and it was very heartbreaking.  I'm still not over it.  As a matter of fact, I cried in church when we did our "Hail Marys" on Sunday as soon as we got to the part about the "fruit of your womb".  My husband thought I was crazy.  :)

[sophie_bulbul]

I am doing well thank you. I am thinking of you and the day of Saturday. Your chances are good with all those great quality embryos. I wish you all the best and my heart prays for you!!!
My FET will be in October. I will call the clinic on the first day of my AF in October and the transfer will hopefully be  around mid October. I am thinking of starting accupuncture but it is very expensive. I did four sessions last time. I paid 80 NZ$ for each session. I don't know why is it so expensive. There is no special technique or medication involved. They only put few needles into the body and ask you to lay down for an hour. After an hour the needles are removed and the treatment is done. The whole process takes miximum 10 minutes and that is it.  I would like to do few more sessions if I can find a reasonable and reliable clinic. The IVF patients are already going through alot of emotional and financial stress and Accupunturers are slaughtering them on top of it.
I wish I knew this treatment and would have given 80% discount to IVF patients:)

Good luck every one!!!!!!!!

Sophie

[SarahKateP]

Hi mbeliza hun, how are you today? Thanks for your encouraging words hun, I really appreciate it. I am glad that you are moving forward now, although waiting and I know it has been awful for you and very hard to hear you HCG has lowered (((hugs))) but I hope that you feel things are moving now, hopefully things will go smoothly now and you can go for FET after your next cycle and won't be waiting too long hun. I am truly thinking of you always and when the time comes I will be crossing everything for you and hoping that it will work out perfectly :o) ***********baby dust********** xxxxxxxx

Hi Sophie, how are you hun? Thanks so much for your kind words hun, it really means a lot to me (((hug))). I will be keeping you all posted here, and hope you will all help me not to go too crazy on the 2 week wait lol!!!!! Although technically I started the two week wait on Tues as I ovulated and doing a completely natural FET, no drugs or anything to mess me up lol so after transfer I should be able to test on the 24th!!! I will test 14dpo, and should be able to test in blissful ignorance without bleeding before then, unlike last time :o( As it's a natural cycle, my period won't come before 14dpo (well it hasn't ever come before 14dpo in 3 years so fingers crossed!) I was so angry last time I didn't even get to test with blind hope before I started bleeding! Sounds silly probably but I was so upset the only test I did was when my period had arrived and I had to confirm, already knowing it was BFN. Hopefully this time I will test with no bleeding and atleast get that 3 minutes of excitement I didn't get last time!!! I know what you mean about accupuncture hun, I really really wanted to do accupuncture, but unfortunately we just simply couldn't afford it - it is soooooo expensive :o( What with paying for IVF we have not a penny spare at the moment, but I would have loved to do it! I think all clinics should offer accupuncture as part and parcel of treatment, on the premises!!!! So many people swear by it's success, and I think they should do it for us, after all they make so much money off us, surely they could employ an Accupuncturist!!! I hope you can get the money together hun and have it again. I hope October comes around quick for you hun ***baby dust for you***** xxxxxx

Well not long now girls, the clinic will be calling me tomorrow around early afternoon to tell me how the embies are doing, fingers firmly crossed it will be good news and we will be all set for transfer on Sat!! I am nervous, excited and scared, but strangely I am keeping quite calm this time, I think because I have been there before and know what to expect, and the fact I am prepared for the worst helps too. Of course I hope it works but I am prepared - if it does work I will be more surprised than anybody and probably won't believe it lol!!!! Fingers crossed for 2nd time lucky ***baby dust***

Hope everyone else is well? Love and ****baby dust**** all round!!

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[mbeliza]

Best of luck.  And think of it this way, your 2 week wait is now partially over!!  Woo hoo!  I will pray that you get a BFP that goes on for a healthy pregnancy!

I'm a little down this morning.  We have a neighbor who always asks me if I'm pregnant.  She knows that we are having fertility issues, but continues to ask.  She told me today that she was pregnant with her second and then went on to complain about how difficult pregnancy is on her body and that she just wanted to get it over with.  Maybe she thought that would make me feel better.

However, it made me feel really bad.  I don't care if I gained 100 pounds and had severe morning sickness every day, I would give my right arm to be pregnant.  I think people who have not gone through our issues can be a little insensitive.  Oh well . . .  Such is life.  :)

[SarahKateP]

Awwww hunnie huge ((((((((hugs))))))) Some people just do not have a clue do they!? I too hate to hear anyone (like my Stepsister and my Sister-in-law!) moan about anything trivial atall in pregnancy, like feeling sick or having a sore back etc - I too would give my right arm to be pregnant and I would take any kind of symptom going if it meant we got our take home baby!!! Some people really are so insensitive to the feelings of others it makes me sick! I believe most peole just genuinely do not think or realise what they are saying, and in my book, I feel that is worse than being directly nasty, because it means they are not in the least bit compassionate or sensitive to what other people are going through or experienced, so shame on them!!

At the end of the day hun, the way I console myself when things like this happen, is that I absolutely know 100% that when our precious baby comes along, I will appreciate that baby and love that baby more than any other Mother who hasn't had the problems like you or I have had. Because of what I have been through to get there, my baby will mean more to me than anyone else who can just "pop out" babies time and time again with no problems. Because of the pain and hurt and anger I have been through to get there, I will truly know what having a baby means and how special, wonderful and amazing a gift it really is, unlike these women who have no problems and think nothing of "popping out" babies left right and centre. Then I ask myself, who will be the lucky one then ..... I will !!!!!!

I don't know if that helps you any hun, but I find it helps keep me going and keep me determined to realise my dream of becoming a Mummy. You keep that chin up, stay strong and keep fighting, one day it will all have been worth it.

All my love and ************baby dust************

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[SassyCassie]

Thanks for your kind messages! My prayers to you as well!  The two week wait seems FOREVER away!  Tuesday couldn't get here any quicker??? argh! ;)

Hugs and Baby Dust to you and everyone on here! xoxoxoxo

SassyCassie
Houston, TX :)

[anetski]

hi

Just wondering if anyone knows when you are doing a FET without meds if you are supposed to not have intercourse close to O day?

[SarahKateP]

You are doing great Sassie!! Hang on in there hun!!!! Got everything crossed for you!!!!! ****************mega baby dust and baby glue********** !!!!!!!!!!!!!! xxxxxxxxxxxx

Anetski hun, yes you are advised strongly to refrain from any intercourse from time of ovulation til' after transfer. This is obviously because of possible complications and if you get pregnant naturally etc! This isn' really an issue for Hubby and me as I can't get pregnant naturally as I have no fallopian tubes, but there is a teeny tiny 0.1% chance it could happen so even we have decided to leave it out, my poor Hubby is gagging lol! If we get pregnant I also don't plan on any intercourse until atleast after the first scan at 7 weeks!! **********baby dust for you hun********** xxxxxxxxxx

Well girls it's D-day!!!! Eakk!!!! It's only 9.40am but I am already very nervous about the clinic calling this afternoon to tell us how the embies are doing. I can't believe I could be having transfer tomorrow!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!! Just waiting to know that the embies are okay and it's a definite go ahead for tomorrow!! I am just glad my 2 week wait will only be a 10 day wait after transfer lol!!!! Those 4 days make a difference, even though I know it will still be the longest 10 days of my life lol! Planning on strict bed rest atleast Sat and Sun and definitely taking it very easy after that, no bending or lifting, just getting up when I have to, and then sitting back down with my feet up lol!!

How is everyone else girls??? *********baby dust********* all round!!

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[SarahKateP]

Woooo Hoooooo!!!!!! The embryologist called earlier and decided they would just thaw out two embies rather than three to begin with to save us having to discard any and they could always thaw a third if need be.....Well the embryologist has called back!!!!! Both embies have survived and are both viable to be transferred!!!!!!! ET will be tomorrow at 12pm!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!! 1 embryo was frozen at 8 cells, and has survived as an 8 cell and is excellent and extremely viable. 1 embryo was frozen at 8 cells and has survived as a 6 cell, it is viable and good. The second one would not at this stage be good enough to be re-frozen so it looks like we will be having those two embryo's transferred tomorrow!!!!! Obviously, it is possible the 6 cell will not be viable by tomorrow, if so, then it's back to original plan of having the best one transferred.They said that they don't see any benefit in thawing a 3rd as that would mean probably having to definitely discard atleast one.

I am sooooo nervous now lol aaaarghhhh here we go again round 2 DING DING!!!!
AAAAAARRRGHHHHH!!!!!! **********baby glue**********

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[SarahKateP]

OMG it's the day of embryo transfer!!!!!! AAAAARRGGHHHH!!!! LOL! I am soooo nervous!!!!!!!
Please wish me lots of *****baby dust and glue***** girls! I need all your positive energy to get through this!!! Thanks for all yoru support up til' now and I will try and get on to let you all know how it went and how many embies etc, later on :o)

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[hannahcameron]

HI Sarah Kate - And everyone else out there!!!

Sorry i went back to work this week and as i model i was on location and not near a computer all week!!!...so have just sat down and dying to see what is going on!!

WOW Sarahkate - i am thinking of you (right now it is 12.45 so i guess you have just finished or are mid procedure!) - i am sending you so many positive thoughts and baby dust and will add you to my prayers tomorrow when i go to church!!  

What fantastic results for the embryo 'defrost'......they did so well didnt they?!!!! INCREDIBLE!!

Well you are at a fantastic clinic - they have you on the best meds...i think and pray it will be a BFP for you!!!!!!! I can only think how nervous you feel but try to be positive - if it helps at all my best friends sister in law also has no fallopian tubes from previous ruptures and  eptopics etc and got a BFN the first time around with IVF and got a BFP with her frozen cycle!! so i totally think it is going to happen for you....!!!

Sophie - Sorry also for the delayed response - wow i was totally lost without a computer!!!...I have 8 frozen blasts (which were all hatching so fingers crossed - hey we have a big selection!!) Cant wait to start on the frozen cycle - but it is going to be a long wait for me as i only just got my BFN....when will you start??

Mbeliza - Owwww sorry to hear about your neighbour - practically anything to do with babies makes me cry...I am so so happy for everyone who gets pregnant, but what really gets me down are people that don't even care they are pregnant or moan about it or  those teenage crack ****** that drink a litre of vodka a day and smoke 20 marlboro and live on junk food seem to pop them out left right and centre, and boy they seem to be everywhere! On Tv...in the park...in every newspaper i read.....It just hurts when you are so desperate for something that is the most natural maternal feeling for a woman......I even got mad yesterday watching Kendra (that crappy show on the girl that was in the playboy mansion) - she had her first scan and there was not even a tear in sight she didnt seem at all touched!! - i would be bawling bawling to see my babies heart beat!

SARAHKATE - baby dust baby dust baby dust baby dust baby dust baby dust baby dust!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SarahKateP]

Thanks hannah :o)

Well we now have both embies safely on board!!!!!! :o) Both had developed well, one excellent and one still very good. I am so pleased and nervous, just got to wait now, official test day is the 26th of August!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't quite believe it lol!

Off to bed now as I am shattered! Talk soon and love to all!

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[anetski]

SarahKateP - That is great news. Hope you get your BFP!!!!

ASM I am still waiting on AF. I am on day 33 now and have been cramping like it is just about to start for a week now. My last AF started with red spotting and then heavy flow after lunch so the nurse said to count the next day as day 1 but if she hadn't told me that I would be on day 34 according to my calculations. The longest cycle I have ever had is 34 days. It is driving me up the wall. I think it will start later today but waiting for it is driving me nuts as I start hoping of a BFP. I am at the point where I am having conversations in my head talking myself out of hoping. So typical when you want AF to start sooner rather than later it just takes it's time. I just want my FET now.

[anetski]

oh and I have done tests and all negative.

[SarahKateP]

Hi Hun,

Thanks for your good luck wishes :o)

I know how frustrating it is waiting for your AF when you are waiting to start treatment! Huge (((((hugs)))))) to you hun. My last one took 32 days and I usually have a 25/26 day cycle! It was so frustrating and drove me up the wall! My nurse told me it was still the effects of the IVF drugs and in particular the drug I had to down regulate my cycle. I hope your AF comes soom hun and you can get on with FET!!! **********baby dust**********

Well it's day 1 past transfer and I am bored already lol!!!!! I am trying to be meticulous about not bending and things - but has anyone ever noticed how much you actually do bend!!?? Bending over the sink when brushing teeth, bending to flush the loo, bending to the fridge to get the milk, bending to fill up the dogs water bowl....life if full of bending!! I am trying not to bend fully over to reach anything on the floor - but it's so frustrating!! My Hubby is not the tidiest person, bless him, the house is already looking vey untidy and I can't stand it! I am really not used to doing absolutely nothing and resting!!! And this morning I took a drink of my coffee (decaff!) and I choked a bit as it went down the wrong hole and I ended up coughing uncontrollably for a minute!! I am now worried I have somehow shook the embies loose!!?? I went to sleep on my back last night but I woke up many times having rolled over onto my side! Is this bad!?? God I am finding myself worrying so much, I know it's normal to worry but another 11 days to go and I will go nuts lol!!!!!

Hope everyone is okay,

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[anetski]

HI

Dont worry so much about what you can't and can do. I know that is hard but just think about everyone conceiving naturally. They still go to the gym, to work and clean the house. I think the best is to carry on like normal but keep excersice to a minimum and don't lift heaby things but then again what do I know? Do what you think and make you feel better!

Question about your AF being late. Was that the cycle after your failed IVF? Were you on any meds?

I had a failed IVF and the next cycle I am not on any meds or anything. Could it still be the IVF meds making it all late?


I can't believe it. Still no AF. Cramping on and off. Driving me nuts.

[SarahKateP]

Hey hun,

Thanks for your advice hun I know you are right - I should just chill out about it I know, I said that to myself this morning - all those ladies getting pregnant naturally and don't even know it lol! I am resting but still doing most things except bending right down and lifting anything (no housework or anything) and sitting down with my feet up most of the time too.

Yes hun that was my first cycle after failed IVF, The nurse told me it was the drugs and mostly the prostap which I took to down regulate my cycle, she said it stays in your system for atleast a month guarunteed but can stay for up to 3 months and lengthen your cycle out. This cycle we are on, I ovulated on CD14 which indicates a 28-30 day cycle, which is still longer for me than usual! So it could be the after effects of the drugs still for you too hun, holding up your cycle a little. I know it's such a pain though, because you are so eager to get going with FET!!! I was climbing the wall by the time AF showed up! I really hope it comes soon for you hun. ***********baby dust************

I just managed a 2 hour nap which I am surprised about, I didn't even think I was tired lol!

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[hannahcameron]

HI love - was just checking on how you are going!....You sound like you are doing perfectly!! Relaxing loads with lots of naps!!!!...My DH also drove me nuts with the house tidy thing!! he did try bless him but urghhhhh...i found the worst was food and eating...they told me to have total bed rest for 3 days so couldnt cook - but yet wanted to eat all the right food!!! hope your husband is a better cook than mine i got mushy broccoli and cold mash potatoes!!!!

It is totally boring i know.... and everything you do makes you paranoid...i was even worried the laptop would be bad for me!!!! - but you are soo right people dont even know they are pregnant and they go out and about - have saunas, hot baths,  running around, horse riding etc......it is only cos we are aware!!..i think as long as a bit of care is taken then all is good!!!

FINGERS ARE CROSSED FOR THE 26TH - its my dads birthday - so a totally lucky day!!!!

BABY DUST AND STICKY VIBES!!!!!
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[SarahKateP]

Thanks Hannah hun :o) How are you doing??

I hope the 26th is a lucky day!!!! Happy birthday to your dad too lol!!

Well the 26th will be 16dpo - so if not pregnant, my period would be here by then anyway :o( I was thinking I should be able to test Mon 24th as that's 14dpo - which is when I would test if TTC naturally! Haven't had any drugs or anything this time, it's totally natural except for the HCG shot I had yesterday, but that is supposed to be out of my system in a week...so I may be cheeky and test a little earlier lol!! I am scared though.....also scared that I will get my period before I get to test, like I did last time, it really upset me I never even got that 3 mins of blissful ignorance!! It's tricky to decide when to test, I know the clinic tell you don't test but they have to cover themselves don't they!? AAARRGGHHH!!!!! Any advice....!? What would you girls do???!

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[mbeliza]

That's great that your embryos dethawed so well!  Baby dust and baby glue to you!

Can you tell me more about he not bending thing?  My clinic never gave that instruction.  They said no walking over 1/4 mile, no vigorous exercise, and not to lift anything over 40 pounds.  I read on another website that you should not vacuum or clean house

For the pregnancy test, I always waited for the blood test.  The reason is because the urine test can only see HCG levels at 25 or higher (but you need only 5 to be pregnant).  So it is possible that you can have a false negative and be overly upset before you even get the blood test.

In terms of your other movements, I agree with everyone's points on not worrying so much.  During my last cycle, I was freaking out because I ran 10 steps one day (when running late for a bus) and when I jumped when I saw a scary scene in a movie.  I still got my BFP, but unfortunately my little embryos just didn't stay with me.

Good luck and baby dust.  Things are looking good for you!  :)  :)  :)

[hannahcameron]

If I was you - I would wait for the bloods......however i cant talk cos i did POAS and got a faint positive but it ended with the chemical pregnancy......however.....It is much much easier said than done!! - and i am sure if i was you i would be very tempted to POAS....how much HCG did you take? I think 5000 takes a week to leave your system and 7500 roughly 10 days....although i am not sure the exact maths...

In theory yes you could test on the Monday!! - but at the same time you don't want to get a fake positive you also dont want to get a fake  negative -  cry and cry when you could be in fact pregnant and then stress away the embryo when you were in fact pregnant....a home pregnancy test only measures levels of HCG of about 20 - 25 (first response is 18 - i did lots of research!)...so it may not register as it is that tad bit too early - and you would maybe be unnecessarily devastated!!!

Try and wait!! DId you not have the claxane in the end? and have you avoided the awful gestone shot daily in the bum!!....

Thinking of you - BABY DUST BABY DUST!!!
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[SarahKateP]

Hi girls :o)

Mbeliza hunnie, the not bending thing is just advice I have picked up from lots of people, it's putting any strain on your tummy muscles i think. You are supposed to bend at the knees and keep your back straight if you have to bend atall, never squat or sit on your feet and try to have your feet up and as high up as possible from your body all the time when resting - this is to make sure that the blood flow is in the centre of your body and not in your extremities - it means lots of blood flowing into your womb and lining apparentley! My clinic just told me to take it easy the first few days and not over-do things, but the no bending and housework and all of that is from other IVF ladies really! I guess the point is just every little helps. I am trying but it's hard - it's unbelievable how much you actually bend in life lol! I have been bending slightly, just for absolutely neccessary things, but trying to use my knees lol! When sitting down or getting in bed, I try to use every other muscle except tummy muscles, I learned to do this after surgery for my ectopics cos' I couldn't use those muscles as it was too painful, getting in or out of bed I get on my side first without straining tummy then kind of swing my legs round gently into position! It's crazy! I mean a million women get preggers every day and don't know it but I have heard from a lot of people you have to be so cautious, especially in the first few days as embies should be imbedding and you don't want to interfere - I dunno, it could all be rubbish and not matter - I know my clinic told me once they are in there you absolutely cannot shake them loose no matter what! So who knows...How are you feeling hun?? *****baby dust*****

Hannah hun I am so in two minds about testing lol my clinic unfortunately don't do a blood test - they just do a normal urine test on official test day, they don't do bloods or check HCG levels exactly, if you get positive test, they then arrange for you to have a scan at 7 weeks and that's that!!! The HCG shot I had on Sunday was only a half dose 750 IU ??? However much that was!? Yes hun I am on clexane shots every day and also prednisilone (the steroid) aswell, been taking that since day of ovulation! The clexane shots are awful, really really painful :o( But the nurses tell me that's because of the clexane as it thins your blood and makes bruising happen!! But I am handling it, I'd do anything to get our baby lol!!!! How are you hun? Not long til' your blood test!! I can't wait to hear the good news!!! ********baby glue**********

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[sophie_bulbul]

Oh Sara I am so glad to hear that your transfer is done successfully and non of your precious embryos are discarded. I think you had a very good start.  Sorry I couldn’t post earlier as I was out of the city and didn’t have easy access to the internet. However I was thinking and praying for you the whole time.  So you transferred two embryos am I right?
26th is not far away. Today is 19th and you only have 7 more days to wait  and get your BFP :) As I earlier told you about my friend, she had two ectopic pregnancies.  Her first IVF with single fresh embryo transfer failed but the FET was successful.  In her frozen cycle she transferred two embryos and became pregnant with a single child. I wish the same thing happen to you. Fingers firmly crossed for you! BABY DUST!

Hannah, My FET will be in October. I wish I fall pregnant naturally before that:)

Good luck every one!!!!!



Sophie

[SarahKateP]

Hi Sophie hun, how are you doing? It's great to hear from you and thank you so much for your encouraging words, it is so wonderful to hear about other people's success, it really helps you feel that it can happen and it isn't all doom and gloom! I am finding the 2ww very very hard now, I go from feeling quite positive to feeling so down and already defeated, it's horrible!! I just have to hang on and try to be patient lol but it isn't easy as I am sure all you lovely ladies know lol!!!!  

How is everyone else!? Cassie I am so chuffed to hear your good news babe wooo hoooo!! I so hope we can be bump buddies hun - fingers crossed!!!!!! :o) *****baby glue****** for you hun!!!!!!

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[anetski]

Still no AF here. One week late so far.

Good luck to everyone else. I am following your threads and hoping for BFP's for all!

[SarahKateP]

Hey sweetie, awwww what a bummer! I bet you are driving yourself nuts aren't you!? I really hope AF shows up soon for you so you can get on with FET!! *****baby dust*****

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[hannahcameron]

Hey SarahKate,

Yes the Claxane stings doesn't it?!!!!! I didn't find it too bad though - as you say totally do-able, anything for that BFP!!! it was the gestone 3 incher in the bum i hated!! wowzer - plus my DH couldnt bring himself to inject me so i had to twist around and do it myself..ughhhh!!! Hang in there darling - you only have 7 more sleeps......!!!

Sophie - guess we will be FETing at the same time then!!.....i only day CD07 after my failed IVF - got my BFN on the 4th august...now i have to wait to have my next period before they do anything - but i have a feeling they are going to then wait 2 weeks and down reg me before the following period so it will be mid october when the do the ET....(i could be wrong though)....I TOO AM PRAYING FOR A MIRACLE that i fall pregnant naturally.....

It is sooo nice to hear all the success stories! makes me feel so much more positive...still have seriously low days - Does anyone else feel like everyone on the planet is pregnant or has babies...every TV show i watched last night was about surrogacy or couples trying to have a baby and even CSI Miami was about a baby!!!

SARAHKATE - Hang in there...you are doing great!!

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[sophie_bulbul]

I know the two week period is not an easy time. Each hour is felt like a day.  I don’t know about your situation if you have family or friends who you can share your feelings with, which would help a lot.
Unfortunately I have no one in New Zealand to share my feelings with them.  Two lovely ladies (my sister and best friend) who are aware of my situation are living in other parts of the world. I am truly thankful to you Sara for starting this thread, it really helps us emotionally.
Hannah, yes you are right we will have the FET around the same time; our babies will have the same birthday’s lol.  My BFN was on 6th August but I got my AF on 4th August.   Nothing is happening in September. In my October AF I will call the clinic and the blood testing will start then. The transfer will hopefully be in mid October. We are planning to transfer two blasts this time. Fingers firmly crossed for our FET.
SaraKate you are doing great; today is 20th August and you have only 5 more days to go. I am not counting the 26th August as you will be doing your test in early morning  wishing you a very healthy BFP!!!!!!!
BABY DUST to SaraKate!!!!

[anetski]

HI

AF arrived at last. phew.

[SarahKateP]

Hey girls,

Anetski wooooooo AF arrived!! Thank god for that lol!!! I am chuffed for you hun, finally you can get on!! :o) *********baby dust******

Hannah and Sophie girls you are so sweet thank you both so much, I am also really glad I started this thread, it really helps so much to talk to people and be with people who really know what's going on and how thngs feel etc, it really is invaluable I think, we are all here to support eachother through all of this :o)

I am having a down day today girls, really convinced this hasn't worked :o( Just don't feel anything and I have convinced myself my boobs aren't sore or anything so surely it means I am not pregnant :o( I used to always get sore boobs when pregnant, and sore boobs from Ovulation til AF arrives, but since IVF and the drugs, I haven't ever had sore boobs atall from Ovulation to AF - so they are not sore now either and I am convinced it's cos' I am not pregnant cos' if I was pregnant they would surely be sore by now 10dpo!!?? Sorry for babbling girls, just not feeling very positive atall today and really thinking this hasn't worked again :o(

Love to all **********baby dust*********

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[mbeliza]

Hey There-

Don't fret about the sore boobs.  Your embryos would only have implanted Monday or Tuesday so it is really soon.

When my IVF worked, I didn't feel sore boobs until about 2 and a half weeks after the transfer.  Also, it is very common not to have any symptoms in early pregnancy.  

Just keep thinking positive and visualize that little embryo all safe and comfortable in your womb.  Power of positive thinking!!!  BABY DUST!!

[hannahcameron]

SARAHKATE

OK PLEASE DONT HAVE A DOWN DAY! I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU THAT THE SUCESS STORIES AT MY CLINIC OF THE GIRLS I CYCLED WITH MOST OF THEM WITH A BFP HAD NO SYMPTOMS AT ALL - ABSOLUTLY NOTHING......I HONESTLY THINK IT IS A GOOD THING AND HOPE AND PRAY THAT NEXT TIME I DONT GET ANY SYMPTOMS.....WITH MY BFN I HAD CRAMPING THAT DIDNT SETTLE AND SPOTTING BACKACHE ETC ETC....(YES IT DID IMPLANT THEN WAS REJECTED - BUT ALL THE OTHER SYMPTOMS WERE WHEN I WAS REJECTING) - ONE GIRL DID GET AF AND WAS STIIL PREGNANT BUT THE OTHER 5 HAD NO SYMPTOMS REALLY AT ALL (ONE HAD A BIT OF SPOTTING)

CHIN UP....I REALLY THINK IT IS A GREAT THING....I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST KNOW IT WORKED, AND FELT NOTHING...ITS SOOOO HARD. YOU ARE GONNA BE GREAT - I HAVE A VERY VERY POSITIVE FEELING FOR YOU!

HANG IN THERE  - YOU ARE ALMOST THERE NOW! 5 DAYS OR SO.....

SOPHIE - SORRY TO HEAR YOU HAVE SO FEW PEOPLE TO TALK TO - I FOUND IT HARD TO TELL MANY PEOPLE COS I HATE THE 'PITTY' AND ONLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WHEN I WANT TO TALK!! WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE CYCLING TOGETHER FOR OUR FET AND WILL BOTH GET A BFP!!!

MBELIZA - WHEN ARE YOU HOPING TO START AGAIN??

ANETSKI - CONGRATS ON AF (VERY RARE WE ACTUALLY WANT HER TO SHOWUP!!)

LOVE THIS THREAD! THANKS SARAHKATE
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[sophie_bulbul]

Sara I quite agree with Hannah. I also wish I don’t get any symptoms as I had many pregnancy symptoms like headache, backache, cramping etc during my failed cycle. Each woman has different symptoms and then each pregnancy to the same woman can entirely be different. You are only on 6th day post transfer but since you are in 2WW you might think it is your six month and you have started worrying about symptoms lol. Don’t worry all crazy symptoms are waiting for you:)
Stay positive and think that everything which is happening to you is in the best interest of you.  Once the embryos are transferred it is beyond every one’s control except GOD and I am sure He loves you very much and will never disappoint you.
BABY DUST AND GLUE TO SARAKATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck everyone else!!!!

[SarahKateP]

Awwww girls thank you all so much :o) I really appreciate all your support, it's wonderful and I am so lucky to have you all, thank you. I am feeling okay today, got a big huge new spot on my face which really hurts lol - could mean pregnancy could mean AF on way - no way to tell lol!!!! Just have to be patient!!!! I will let you all know and will post here as soon as I know the result!!!

How is everyone else doing? I really hope everyone is okay girls??

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[sophie_bulbul]

I think it is good news that you got one big spot. This is definitely implantation bleeding as it occurs between 6 to 12 days post ovulation and you are between that period now. Stay calm and wait for the result. I know it is not an easy time but you are a strong woman and can control your feelings.

My best wishes and prayers are with you.

[sophie_bulbul]

Hay Sara I didn't understand the spot thing. I thought you had blood spot which could be implantation. But where ever you got the spot it is a sign of GOOD LUCK lol.

[SarahKateP]

LOL sophie hun!!! Yeah I meant a spot on my face lol!! Haven't had any spotting or bleeding as of yet. I felt really ill last night though :o( I had an absolutely awful headache, and since yesterday evening I have had a lot of cramping period type pains and a few sharp niggles!!!! I know this could be good or bad - could be AF on the way or it could be implantation - you just don't know aaaaarrrgghhh!!!!!!! I am just trying to hang on in there now and not be stressed, I was convinced last night AF was on the way, but nothing so far, I usually have a bit of spotting before AF arrives anyway, so we shall see.....

How is everyone? Really well I hope girls *******baby dust********* all round

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[sophie_bulbul]

Headach  could be due to stress. I also had severe headach and I know I was really stressed during my 2WW which I shouldn't be. Mild cramping and sharp niggles are very common symptoms of early pregnancy.

How do you feel now? Did you experience these symptoms last time or not??
The only thing I can do is to pray. I do pray for you in all my prayers and when ever I think of you. You only have one or two more days to wait.

Wish you all the best and a very healthy pregnancy!!!!!!

[hannahcameron]

Hey Sarahkate

How are you going?? Sorry have been off line for a few days...but still keeping an eye on this thread - dying to hear the fab news!!!.....well i am off on holiday tomorrow so i am not going to find out until i am back in september! Just wanted to tell you i am thinking of you and have my fingers and toes crossed - although i really don't think you need it!!......

Sophie - will stay in touch with you as i am sure we will be FETing at a similar time!!!

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[Baby4me70]

When are you secheduled for your beta?

[sophie_bulbul]

Sara- how are you doing? Did you do any pregnancy test?

Wishing you all the best!!!!!!!

Hannah- of course we will be intouch. Fingers crossed for our  FET in October.

Welcome Baby4me-  when is your embryo transffered scheduled??? Baby dust to you!!!!!!


Good luck every one else!!!

[sophie_bulbul]

Thinking of SaraKate.
Lots of baby dust to you!!!!

[SarahKateP]

Well it's bad news girls :o(

I caved in and tested this morning, 15dpo and the day before official test day tomorrow (well today really, it's 2am and I can't sleep cos' I am crying so much)

I used a First Response and a Clearblue digital, both BFN :o( Then I started spotting brown this afternoon and tonight it is turnng bright red and AF awful cramps setting in, so AF will be in full swing by tomorrow I am sure. Got appointment at the clinic at 9.30am for outcome, which obviously will be BFN :o(

I just can't believe it, I am so mad at myself for even getting my hopes up atall, how could I possibly think we would get what we want after so many years and so many setbacks and all the heartache - did I really think something would work out for us!!!??? Why won't my embies stay with me?? What is wrong with me :o( I have lost 7 babies now when you think about it, 2 miscarriages, 2 ectopics and now 3 precious embryo's that were so fit and strong but just didn't want to stay with me :o( I don't understand, I did everything right, everything they told me to, what have I done to deserve this. I feel like such a useless failure as a woman and it hurts so much.....

I am so sorry to be such a downer and wallowing in self-pity, I am just so upset at the moment and so angry. I just don't know how much more I can put myself through. I know that in a few days I will be able to be strong again, and I will come around and stay determined, but at the moment I am just so upset and crying so much I can't see straight.

Sorry I don't bring better news girls, I am still thinking of you all and sending super duper *******baby dust********* to all of you

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[anetski]

I am so sorry about the news. Don't worry about being down. You need it to be able to get back up which you will do.

I can only imagine what you have been through. Cry all you need.

[Baby4me70]

I know how you feel... I felt the same way when our first round of IVF failed.  It is very difficult.  Lots of hugs to you!

[mbeliza]

My heart sank when I read your email, but don't worry - you still have more embryos left.  Here's a few statistics to think about (and I hope this helps you realize that the problem is not you):
1- When my embryos were 8-cell embryos, I had 9 Grade A perfect embryos.  However, only 5 developed further into blastocysts.  And when two of those went in me, they got me pregnant but they were not good enough to last.  So, even though those embryos were perfect for the 3 day phase, your clinic may have not chosen the ones that could develop into blastocysts.  Also, you can't tell much about the development potential of an embryo until it is blastocyst - so they really may be choosing the wrong ones.
2- IVF success rates are really only about a 30% chance during both a fresh and frozen transfer. So, for people doing what you have done, only 51 out of 100 would be pregnant.  So, many people are in the same scenario as you.
3- I know many people who had to do multiple rounds before they got their precious baby.  When I had my miscarrage (miscarriage), I read two stories that made me feel better.  One was online and one was an email from a co-workers wife (they did 5 rounds of IVF).  I'll put a link to the online story here for you and I will copy and paste my co-worker's wife's email too.
*Online story (read Brenda's story): http://www.ivfconnections.com/stories.htm
*Coworker's story:  We started off trying to conceive in '99. It wasn't happening for going on about a year so we started doing the blood tests and other work ups with nothing looking out of the ordinary at all. It was good news, bad news. Good because there wasn't a huge problem, but also kind of bad because there wasn't anything to treat specifically. We did a couple of rounds of IUI and while I responded pretty well, they were all negative. They cancelled one of our IUI rounds because I had 9 mature follicles so they were worried about high order multiples. Looking back we should've just gone for it but again since we had no diagnosis, it was too risky. Rather than play around with that, we chose to jump to IVF since we had good infertility coverage at the time and figured we'd be wise to up our chances.

Our first round of IVF was text book perfect. We ended up with 12 eggs, but only 4 fertilized. I think 2 of those made it to day 3 and they transferred all 3 of them. I could be off by an embryo but I think that's what happened. Since our fertilzation rate was so low, they decided to do ICSI going forward. They assumption was that maybe the zona (shell) of my eggs was too thick, so this would help things along. Every cycle after that had much better fertilzation rates. I should get my charts from my clinic to look at all the #'s, but I think it was above 75% after that. We'd have anywhere from 9-12 eggs each time, maybe one cycle was only 7.

Kelly, our 6 year old, was a result of IVF #4. That was going to be our last shot as well before taking a long break. We did another cycle in May of 2005, about 16 months year after she was born, that was negative. Up until that cycle, I was getting panicky about her being an only child. Then after the failed cycle, I relaxed a lot and knew that it would be OK if we never had more. It was kind of strange and unexpected that even though I was disappointed, that worry went away after that.

Then Greg started working for a company with good fertility benefits and we decided to give it another try. This was IVF #6 and I think we got 12 eggs and all 12 fertilized. Things looked so good we waited and did a day 5 (blastocyst) transfer of 2 embryos and it was "two in, two out" and we had our twins plus we froze 3 more embryos at the blast stage as well.

As for what we did to stay sane, it's hard to say exactly. I'd try to keep distracted and not think about it too much but that's pretty impossible. What always helped me stay relatively calm was to always have a next step or a plan B. Like, "If this cycle doesn't work, we'll do X next". In between cycles I also would stay positive by knowing that we had another shot a few months later, etc... It was the time before I got pregnant with Kelly that I felt really discouraged because we didn't have a plan B and didn't have IVF coverage so I really didn't know what would happen. So you can't plan out every last step and you never know when it's going to happen, but having a rough idea might help you feel like all hope isn't lost.

Another thing that helped me was by thinking about IVF as giving us a "normal" couple's chance of conceiving. I was always hopeful that a cycle would work, but when it didn't, I'd remember that most couples don't get pregnant the first month, so IVF (or IUI, etc.) wouldn't necessarily work the first time either and that it wasn't the end of the world.

Anyways, I hope that makes you feel better.  And just remember - you are not alone.  We're all going through the same thing and have felt similar emotions.  And just start thinking about next time.

BABY DUST!!

[sophie_bulbul]

Dear Sara,

I am very sorry that FET didn’t work this time. I can only imagine your feelings; however, you are a perfect healthy young woman. Your strong embryos are not given the chance yet; they are waiting for you among 7 embryos.
As mbeliza said that it is not guarantee that all embryos will grow till the end. If you take my example I had 17 embryos on day one 4 embryos were frozen the same day.  The remaining 13 embryos were kept to reach blast cysts stage. Out of 13 there were only 4 good quality blasts on day 5. On day 6 two more blasts were frozen which of course are not as good quality as day 5 blasts are.  In this way all together from 13, 2-8 cells embryos only 6 reach to blast and the remaining embryos didn’t grow.

A single day five blast which was perfectly growing from the beginning till the end, was transferred but didn’t work. I know it is very frustrating but it is the natural way of growth for embryos.

When I had my BFN I was very upset at the beginning, cried a lot and then I convinced myself that it is still much better than several other pregnancy complication like miscarriage, still birth, abnormal baby, premature birth where the baby dies at the end. I said to myself that God knows better and what ever happened to me would be in my best interest. You can think the same way.
  
Lots of love and hugs to you.

BABY DUST !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sophie_bulbul]

Hi Sara,

How are you doing? I hope you feel much better now.

Good luck every one!!!!!!!


xxxxxxx

[SarahKateP]

Hi everyone,

Thanks to all for your for all yoru support, messages and all the love :o) I have really appreciated it and can't thank you all enough. How is everyone? I really hope you are all okay. Just going to post here for you all what I wrote in my journal, to save typing it all out again lol hope you don't mind!

I am doing okay I think, initial shock has worn off and I am coming to terms with things. We have decided to take a complete break from it all for a while, I can't put myself through this again any time soon, so I think we are taking a break til' atleast Summer next year. My body and mind just can't take anymore and I have to give myself a chance to re-cover. In the mean time I have decided to go back to college, I have applied to start full time in January for a NQ qualificication which covers everything and intro back into education, then after that I will be doing 4 Highers -English Literature, Psychology, Sociology and History. These subjects really fascinate me and i really want to do them for me, maybe with a view to going on to be a Counsellor or Psychologist or something. Also applying to start a short evening course in September - Introduction to Pyschology which will be a good step up in the long run and will keep me busy until January! So I am feeling really good about all that, really looking forward to doing something completely unrelated to IVF and babies and get my brain working again and find out who I am again - something I forgot a long time ago when this journey started, I haven't thought about anything else in 3 years! Plus I think it's about time I had a PLAN B for my life in action, incase this just doesn't work out for us. Want to get to know Hubby and me again and start living again...get off this baby track and re-discover eachother and maybe start to enjoy life a little. So that's the plan just now and I feel good about it. Of course I wish that IVF had worked, but it didn't and I don't want to wallow in self-pity anymore, no use sitting around feeling sorry for myself, won't get me anywhere - so here we go, a brand new start.

Although we are taking a break and I won't be on here that much,  I will still be around and checking up on you all from time to time, so please keep this thread going!!! I willl be back next year sometime when we decide to do this all over again. I am always thinking of you all and sending massive amounts of ****baby dust***** and *****baby glue******

SarahKate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[anetski]

hi

How is everyone going? Anyone getting close to a transfer soon. Mine will hopefully be next week some time but I will know more this arvo.

[mbeliza]

We're still sorting our when ours will be, but good luck to you.  I'll be sending good thoughts your way!