I was diagnosed by LPR (Laryngopharyngeal Reflux). I would love to discuss managing of my LPR with other LPR sufferers. However, I can't find any active support group, forum etc. Do you know about anything? Could you send me a link?
We have many here in the GERD forum with Silent Reflux or Larygopharyngeal Reflux.
Symptoms of Laryngopharyngeal Reflux are:
Continual throat clearing
Chronic throat irritation
Excessive phlegm the throat
Dysphagia (difficulty swallowing)
Constant sensation of something in the throat
Swallowed food comes back up
Post nasal drainage
Blockage of the breathing passage
Spasm of the larynx (voice box)
Heartburn( not all experience this )
This condition is a result of both UES and LES not working correctly.
And it is possible not to have typical gerd/acid reflux symptoms
So u can chat with people right here, or u can start ur own (grouphttp://www.medhelp.org/user_groups/list) if u want if we do not have a group for this, but we have many forums devoted to GI issues and I know we have had several members mention they had this dx.
Yes my mother had severe GERD and LPR for 5 years. Her worst symptom of LPR was when burning stomach acid poured into her mouth walking around shopping. It was terrible to watch. Today she is free of GERD and LPR. She takes NO acid blockers (after 25 years of being told she had high acid!) and takes digestive enzyme supplements to help with digestion and betaine HCI with pepsin to increase stomach acid. She even has a hiatus hernia so these supplements are gold. Also when she is stressed she needs magnesium and probiotics to prevent any upsets.
There are several of us who have experienced this condition and have experienced a reversal of conditions. Links and research could be helpful, but first-hand testimonials from those of us who have been there and done that and experienced relief might give you some insight. We aren't health professionals, but have experienced what you have and can give some insight.
Keep us informed.
Thank you for your replies very much. It is awesome that there are sites like this one.
I am not from the english speaking country. Therefore my english isn't perfect. Sorry for that.
I will briefly describe my case:
Last year, I was an exchange student. I experienced a lot of stress. It was probably the main trigger of my problems. I ate very healthy and even so I started to have severe problems with indigestion (flatulence and bloating). A few stomach spasms probably occured (EG. I drunk a cup of coffee one hour after lunch and my belly started to gurgle a lot. For following 1-2 days my digestion was very bad and I experienced strong flatulence after every meal). I had these problems for a few months and it was getting worse and worse. It led to malnutrition (I lost a lot of weight, started to have problems with rashes, experienced hand-shaking, nocturia etc.) However, I did not experience any GERD symptoms! Unfortunately, one day, I got badly overeaten and something with my LES happened and I started to experience GERD symtoms.
A few days later, during endoscopy, doctors found inflamed esophagus and stomach they diagnosed me by GERD. However, I have never experienced anything like heartburn. In this time, I am back at home. Frankly speaking, I am relieved from stress and I do not suffer by indigestion anymore. Nevertheless, I still have GERD (LPR) problems.
My most common symptoms are:
feeling of a lump in my throat
weird tastes in my mouth
burnt tongue (probably by stomach acid)
A few times, my throat got irritated after singing two songs with my friends or drinking two beers. ENT diagnosed me by chronic laryngitis and found my vocal chords slightly damaged by something. Allergy doctor found out that I have an deficiency of T-lymphocytes ( I think it was caused by that long-term malnutrition).
I have a bunch of questions:
1/ Nobody officially diagnosed me by the LPR yet. But I think, according to my symptoms, it is the LPR. What is your opinion?
2/ Very often, I wake up with runny nose. I thought it is an allergy. However, anti-histaminics do not help me. Can some stomach acid/ bile irritate my nose during the nights?
3/ I follow a classic GERD diet. However, I feel my symptoms most of day (mainly at evenings) and I have a very hard time to determine what kind of food causes my problems. I do not see any connection between my irritated throat symptoms and food. It is not so obvious like having or no-having heartburn. Only thing which I reliably found out is that overeating and very fatty foods make my symptoms worse (mainly belching and stronger feeling of a lump). Do you have any piece of advice how to find any triggers? I am kinda desperate about that.
4/ I want to try to consume one tbs of vinegar before meals. Does it have to be apple vinegar? I do not have this kind of vinegar at home.
5/ Do you have other tips/recommendations?
Extra INFO: My mom suffers by heartburn a lot. When I was very young, I was slightly experiencing an asthma. A few weeks ago, during the breath tests, doctors found lactose intolerance and very slight fructose maloabsorption.
Hi...not sure that ur stomach may be causing ur runny nose, but could be the other way round...u may have PND(post nasal drip) and that may have increased to a noticeable amount of drainage, that can cause GERD issues....
U may have an allergy, which u can develop at any stage in ur life.....
There r diff thoughts on the vinegar....adding more acid to a stomach already filled with acids....not always a good idea...if the GERD issues were due to low acid levels then I would agree it may help...but, not if u have high acid levels....have u had a PH test?
Have u tried keeping a journal on ur foods and other factors like stress etc....u may have a better chance of finding ur trigger...plus the elimination diet...just pick something eliminate it and then reintroduce it...see what happens.
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From my personal experience I would really recommend that you get further tests done by an Ear- Nose and Throat (ENT) Specialist to confirm that you indeed have LPR.
In my opinion, you would only accept the diagnoses as "LPR" once you've seen an ENT. He can do a Larynxscope that would look at your throat/nasal area and see if their are LPR damage/signs and then take it from there.
I have had a horrible 7 years with GERD. I had a lot of ENT symptoms - similar to yours. I had all kinds of tests done (24hr Impedance study, Manomatric studies, Barium swallows) and also seen an ENT and after extensive testing, I agreed to the Nissen Fundoplication Surgery - anti-reflux surgery - and I am now 3 months + post-operative and actually doing great!
I am still seeing an ENT/Otolaryncologist who discovered that my Cricopharengeal muscle goes into spasm and the muscle is thickened due to GERD damage. That could maybe explain your "lump in the throat" feeling.
Please let us know if we can help with further info and keep us updated.
My LPR situation is one that I am still trying to get a handle on... One part of it I think is due to food intolerance leading to the stomach attempting to reject its contents. A reason I say this is when I had a stomach infection once, my stomach definitely closed up its lower sphincter, raised stomach acid levels and tries to kill the infection. I think that is similar in GERD/LPR where the stomach senses a problem (allergic response to food) and then tries to reject or neutralise the contents.
Mine started after a viral infection and food poisoning, which I think has buggered up some nerves (Vagal nerve neuropathy seems likely but not confirmed). Also a major food poisoning event before has left me with a weakened LES as confirmed by an endoscopy. All this may have caused me asthma also.
I have tried many things, and found that whereas PPIs offer some relief they are not a consistent solution. Digestive enzymes help, and anti-histamines can provide some control. Also a prokinetic drug can be prescribed and seems to help when the stomach won't empty (eg. Domperidone, but not available in USA). I am trying that now to try and get the stomach clear before lying down at night.
Soon I will try Zantac again, as it is essentially an anti-histamine, so may solve two problems in one. I am also interested in trying D3 supplementation.
Problem is that every day brings a different level of problem, and it is hard to get a handle on the cause, or get any accurate measure of improvement when it can take a long time. I am still trying, and it is very upsetting not being able to sing, and trying to not let the stress caused get to you.
Thanks for sharing ur GERD journey with us and what is working and not working for u.
Vit D3 is something we all seem to be low on and I do not mean just those with GERD, I mean people in general today....all the sun block, albeit good to prevent skin damage it is also blocking out the necessary rays we need.
Also I found if u do not have enuff magnesium u will not absorb the vit D, so have a full blood panal done.....GERD meds can strip us of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals....so do check and make sure u r working with ur Dr to get the right ones and the right dosage for u !!
History of food sensitivities, allergies, and drainage problems. Also anxiety and self noticed arrhythmia. Rare atrial palpitations found on 24 hr halter test two years ago. Heartrate at bed time usually 47-51 bpm, sitting during day 80-90 bpm. Take 24 hr zyrtec and multivitamin.
Started with a lump sensation in my throat. Voice was weak and hoarse Dr. Tested for strep, diagnosed as laryngitis.
A week later developed small red sores in back of mouth on soft palate in front of tonsils. Went to ER said probably reflux. Did soft tissue throat X-rays found nothing sent me on my way.
Went to primary care dr. They said probably thrush due to some white heads on a few sores. Started nystatin swish and swallow. They tested strep, bacteria and fungal culture, blood tests for thyroid, autoimmune screen, std screen, HIV, general blood screening, and etc. only thing was low good cholesterol.
In the meantime I lost 10 lbs from start of symtoms to now due to lack of eating I didn't like how I felt from the lump sensation. Lost 35 lbs since January due to anal fissure an diet change resulting. Treated with .3 nifedipine Compound ointment applied to affected area just prior to these issues starting and overlapping. Used it 3 times daily pea sized amount for 5+ weeks. Fissure healed upon last visit 2 weeks ago but sometimes bleeding still occurs. Had colonoscopy done in feb and found nothing else.
The sores burned excruciatingly and I started taking tums and Prilosec upon suspicion of reflux.
One developed into a large aphthous ulcer that was larger than the eraser of a pencil.
Eventually this went away about two weeks later. Saw ENT who diagnosed me with just an aphthous ulcer. Looked in my throat with a mirror apparatus since I gagged out the scope in your nose.
Symptoms improved with the sores about a week, I continued the prilosec and propping up my head and back when sleeping pretty substantially.
Constant bitter taste in back of mouth. Throughout waking up in middle of night with dry sour mouth . Would take tums and go to bed.
Symptoms recurred and constant strangling sensation and dry difficult sometimes painful swallowing of saliva and liquids. No problem swallowing foods whatsoever.
Went to my gastro, had endoscopy done to my duodenum. Found nothing. Ate, went home, slept an hour woke up and felt fluttering in my throat with rapid heart race. Felt like a moth was literally stuck in my larynx. Not sure I it was palpitations, cricopharyngeal spasm, but I panicked. Called gastro said to go to the ER, didn't, it went away in about a minute. Called my family dr to come in. They tested me for food allergies via blood RAST test. Came back normal. Said I had anxiety and prescribed me celexa 20mg. I was on this medication about a year for general anxiety but have been off it for a year with no major relapse. Of course I'm anxious due to not being able to find out what's wrong but I believe this is secondary to my symptoms. Looked up crico pharyngeal spasms and laryngopharyngeal reflux. Both of which I find my symptoms adequately match, however I've been in Prilosec and Prevacid for over a month and increased up to 40mg a day with little relief. Now my stomach hurts an feels like I'm not digesting foods properly. A lot of gas, bloating, sharp pains in lower abdomen and feeling of food not going down when I eat. I am still eating, but things are getting to where I might stop again. Thinking it may be from the PPI but afraid to stop taking it. No heartburn ever throughout all of this. Very very frustrated. As you can tell ive become pretty obsessed with my Internet research because I'm sooo freaking miserable. Can you help me?
Greetings to all. I recently had symptoms of LPR and GERD and have been a frequent reviewer of these forums to try glean any insight from fellow sufferers. On the advice of my doctor, I was advised that a recent 10 pound gain in weight that I put on in my stomach area might be contributing to the problem. How so?
The doctor suggesting that while I may have expanded my waist size, my clothes nevertheless remain the same and thus, wearing these clothes (including underwear) causes a greater restriction from the expanded waistline. I started to wear looser-fitting clothing and my symptoms improved noticeably.
Google Tight Pants Syndrome. Belching, distension and heartburn, amongst other manifestations, are common under this premise. Think about how logical this is since motility of the bowel is adversely affected by tight waistbands.
I just visited an ENT about two weeks ago or so. He said that I probably have LPR after performing the usual exam. Over many years (not quite sure how many), I have often had a lump feeling in my throat. As I get older, it seems to get worse, along with a terrible post nasal drip. Sometimes, it would go away for a couple of years then come back. Not sure if stress triggers it back or what. He put me on prilosec OT. I took for three days and noticed no results. Went back to regular eating lifestyle. Got smarter, and went back to taking the Prilosec and being patient. Changed eating style while reading Dropping Acid....and I must say that I am feeling a little better. Less anxious, throat doesn't lump up as much after I eat (smaller meals now), still have nasal drip, but remaining positive.
Sometimes, medicine will work if we are patient, but when you are uncomfortable, you like a quick fix. I really think the food change is helping. I do not eat fried food, spicy food, chocolate, etc.. The Dropping Acid book offers tons of foods to eat and not to eat. Hopefully, I won't drop too much weight because when trying to eat the proper foods, they contain very little (heavy-make-you-full) fattening foods.
My doctor told me to make sure and take it for a while because it takes time for the medicine to actually work. So far, no side effects and my throat has a slight tickle throb-soothing feeling going (way better than before) and I even feel more better each day.
I am not sure if this is helpful, but I was taking high dosage (80 mg.) omeprazole (prilosec) and it was having no effect. I recently switched to Nexium and I am experiencing a significant improvement. I take 40 mg. Nexium at night and 20 mg. omeprazole before breakfast.
I have been coughing non stop to the point of throwing up for 3 months now. This all started after a bout with bronchitis. I am miserable and cannot work as I must spit every minute or two. I also have post nasal drip and after being diagnosed with GERD I feel like it is LPR. I have no reflux in my throat and when I lie down I actually feel better. Should I see an EMT? The doctor I am now seeing has put me on 40 mg of Protonix twice a day. I feel after 2 weeks I am only maybe 20% better and still not able to be out in public or back at work. I am getting very depressed.
2 weeks is not enuff time to critique how well u r doing on this med...it can take another week or 2 provided u have modified ur diet and lifestyle too.
Since u have PND, going to an ENT may be a good idea, but it may be as easy as taking an antihistamine, I started with one b4 bed and it not only helps me sleep but has cut down on the PND and in turn my reflux.
So do u have a lump in ur throat?What symptoms do u have other then the vomiting that u feel it is LPR?
I too have LPR as well as Barrett's Esphagus Disease and MTD (Muscle Tension in my neck and throat). I am on my 2nd Voice Therapy lesson this week. I also have already had the Laproscopic Nissen Fundoplacation surgery in Jan 2012 and ended up with a 1 in a million leak and 7cm bacterial mass near the wrap that landed me in ICU. I've had 1 EGD with Dilation this Jan 2013 and was Diagnosed with LPR in Feb (Last month). I'm new with all this and I'm not even 40 yet so any tips etc you get I'd love to have and visa versa. I have other things too (Hashimotos Autoimmune Disorder) High lipids, cholesterol, Ostepenia at age 30 and the Reflux disease in 3 areas. If anyone lives in GA maybe we can help each other.
I hope they tested your pH levels. Hypothyroidism is one of the well noted causes of low stomach acid as metabolism slows down the stomach acid production. Low stomach is by far more common that high stomach acid but both can cause heartburn, reflux, GERD, LPR (LPR is one of the causes of muscle tension dysphonia).
Low stomach acid is a risk factor for osteopenia as you need good levels of stomach acid to absorb nutrients. Vitamin D and calcium deficiency are both risk factors for osteopenia.
The top three nutrient deficiencies found with hypothyroidism (in most cases in developed countries hypothyroidism is due to Hashimoto's thyroiditis), are vitamin D, iron, and vitamin B12. Vitamin D is essential for calcium absorption. Magnesium is the boss of vitamin D and calcium so if taking supplements for vitamin D and calcium magnesium needs to be in good supply as well.
After a poor diet, hypothyroidism is the second most common cause of high cholesterol. It is common to be undertreated with hypothyroidism. I can't tell you how many comments, websites and books are on this subject but it's numerous! This can be anything from doctors using the TSH to determine thyroid dosage to poor conversion of T4 to T3 to cellular resistance issues.
I've had 2 Bravo 48 PH tests and plans are to do one down my nose in May 24hours PH test to my throat/LPR
I've been having a ton of Hashimotos coomplications lately. If I even look at any form of Diet pill that has Niacin or anything familiar I turn Bright red, hot to touch, ears, face, neck chest flush etc.
With having so many Diagnosis's, it's been really hard on me.
For 5 months I've been waking with a very dry throat and mouth and lots of mucus in my throat. I finally went to an ENT specialist who put a camera up my nose and down my throat and straight away said my problem was "Laryngopharyngeal Reflux (LPR)".
Ive known for year I had a large hiatus hernia, but now my problem is apparently stomach acid etc getting into my throat and mouth and this causes mucus in the throat and a very dry mouth & throat when I mouth-breath at night (which I often cant help).
Funnily enough this dry mouth/mucus problem seemed to start around the time I started the process of moving house, which as everyone knows can be a very stressful time. So I'm hopeful that once the house move is finally out of the way I'll again be free of LPR symptoms - as I have been for years since being diagnosed with a large H.Hernia around three years ago.
Anyway, my strategy for coping is to try and keep to a low acid diet, i.e. no fruit juice (especially not orange juice), no coffee or tea. No yogurt (very acid), no chocolate (damn!). I'm also now taking Organic Aloe Vera juice (100% daily). Its a very good healer and anti acid. I got it on Amazon. Its not cheap but you dont need a lot. Before swallowing it I gargle a bit with it to help heal my acid throat. I'm also thinking about buying 100% cocunut water to drink ...again an excellent cooling anti-acid.
I dont take meds but prefer to take herbal anti acid tablets (called Amlant),
I''m very aware these days of how tight my jeans are and how I really need to wear loose fitting clothes to ensure that I'm not pushing my stomach acid up into my throat (after a meal, especially if I bend down).
While searching the web tonight I came across a video by an ENT guy called "The Dreaded Diagnosis of Laryngopharyngeal Reflux Disease".
Scary title but interesting info (and maybe worth a Google).
Thank you for your reply. I have not been on here and just now saw your note. I am still coughing and spitting up phlegm constantly. After being on Protonix for 6 weeks I am a bit better during the morning but after lunch my cough gets worse and after dinner I cough constantly until I fall asleep. I no longer throw up but the cough is severe. I think the Protonix may be causing insomnia as I can't fall asleep until 2 or 3am. I had a cat scan 2 days ago and will get the results next Thursday. (a week's wait!) I guess if the scan is clear then other tests may be ordered. It is hard to think that I have to live my life like this. I have been coughing since Dec 15th, 2012.
Having been diagnosed with LPR, I know how you feel. My suggestion - check out this site (http://amzn.to/11C3RDp) to get plenty of useful info about LPR. It will help you to become a better advocate for yourself with your health care provider. Best of luck.
hello, please know that you can get a NON flushing Niacin! B6, via the company called:
Standard Process inc. i get mine from my Chiropractor, but you can on the website and get info from them about it.
i have LPR and Gerd, take a PPI and another drug to tighten my LES, was doing fairly well until allergy season, my postnasal drip has me back living in misery again with the throat thing, most of all, i find the sensation of choking twenty four seven, the hardest to deal with, anxiety rules when you feel like you are being choked to death every second, anybody relate?
i am new to this forum, would love some advise on how to breathe and swallow again, God Bless you all, Sister Renee'
I started having symptoms of LPR in Dec 2012. I started having a lot of burping in the evening especially. I never have heartburn but have the phlegm and the throat irritation with lump sensation as well. This is very annoying and I am not sure the extra Nexium is going to do anything for me. I have been taking it now for about 6 weeks. I had been taking Nexium for many years (40 mg in am). I had the Bravo test and it did not show real high acid levels associated with the burping. My Gastro increased my Nexium to another 40 mg before dinner. I have a hiatal hernia which I was born with. I am contemplating going on the Medifast Diet plan to both lose weight and also eat smaller portions of food. I do not think that any one thing or another causes me more symptoms. I don't know whether to take digestive enzymes either. Have PPIs helped you at all?
I too have a hiatal hernia....and it does seem like meds do not work when in a flare....but avoiding certain foods is helpful as is making so lifestyle changes...ie- elevating the head of the bed, .....
Keep in mind changes in weight be it a gain or loss can also trigger more GERD symptoms.
Eating more meals, but smaller meals in a day may be helpful to u and just eating healthy...exercise .....
I no longer take PPI's as they stopped working for me, I now use the H2inhibitors....they work for me along with modifying my diet and lifestyle.
See tips in the Health Pages.
And do talk to ur Dr in regards to med changes/concerns and diet changes.
Thats great that your mother recovered. Did she ever take acid blockers? I never feel any acid in my throat however. My doctors think i have irritable larynx syndrome now too, along with a bad gallbladder.
I used to have the same problem til' someone from our church congregation suggested to try red apple (delicioius). It really worked. My wife, some of my friends and a co-worker used it too. It was an immediate relief for acid reflux.
I am new to this list and found it very helpful.I have GERD and was put on a new med percription Lansoprazole. According to the doc "the safest and greatest med to come out lately". This August 2013 I am speaking of. Once on it I started to experience fatigue, which progressed to pretty extreme fatigue. I went through four doctors and none could figure it out. Each and every one had the same comment about the medicine. "Really safe and on of the best new meds to come out lately". However one took a look at my med and saw that drug and commented "get off it" So I did cold turkey. My withdrawal symptoms went on for two weeks, out of body experiences, extreme stomach pain and feeling I was at deaths door. Eventually I recovered and later saw the doctor and asked why the get off it comment. She responded bad side effects which I looked up and found Osteoporosis ( I am female).. I also looked up the drug and found that it causes fatigues. Doctors seem to know what drugs treat but NOT the side effects, at least none of them got on to the fact that was the cause of my fatigue. So I am now free of the fatigue and trying to treat GERD on my own and finding all your comments helpful. I am using Zantac, one pill daily and changing my diet but still have a lot of reflux but the Zantac seems to keep stomach pain in check.
In answer to your question is this diet going to be life long. YES as far as my experience has taken me. To make things worse I also have high cholesterol and the cholesterol blockers causes memory loss of me. I am on such a strict diet its pretty grueling but better than the alternatives.
Rob_Dee, Has the Amalant helped? Your situation seems similar to mine. I have a sliding hiatal hernia. This problem I have came up on me in March 2013. Never had any acid reflux problems .I was stress a lot in March. I wish I could get this mucus under control. I have been to ENT, Pulmonary doctor and gasternolist. . When I ask about LPR they seem clueless. PPi's did not help. I eat a clean diet.. Any info. would be helpful.
My story is slightly different for which I have been diagnosed with all GERD.
and hair loss has happened in less than a 1-2 year mark. My hair started falling out (never noticed till it was so thin) around the summer of 2012. August 2011 I was diagnosed with Barrett's Esophagus Disease (age 38!). After having testings (Bravo PH test) we realized my reflux was so high and off the charts I had no other choice but to have a Lap Nissen Fundoplacation Surgery w/Hernia Repair. I had the surgery on 1/4/2012. One week post op I was borderline Pneumonia, then got better for a few days, then the following Monday (2 weeks post op) I woke up and shot straight up and drove myself to the hospital. I never left. I was in so much pain nothing can describe it. (I've passed 2 kidney stones too and it wasn't even close).
After many tests, being admitted and almost 48 hours later, they find I have a Hematoma near my Nissen surgery site. I went into surgery the next morning 1/18/2012 but in turn it was a 7cm BACTERIAL ABCESS and NOT Hematoma. I had became one of the first Nissen Leak's at this huge Atlanta Hospital in decades. I was in patient for a week. The day after the 2nd surgery I took a turn for the worse. My sats went down to the low 70's, fever 103 and so on. The hospital's Grand Rounds committee met that morning to determine if I go to ICU or something else. They got Infectious Disease involved and with lots of effort and switches of anti-biotics, heavy amounts IV I started improving. Before I ended up leaving the hospital the following Monday to come home I was also tested for C-Diff too (Negative).
Since Jan 2012 I've had to have another Bravo test, the test for measuring reflux from your throat with the nasal cannula's for 24 hours which confirmed LPR in my throat with tissue damage. I also have had a Dilation this past Jan 2013 to open my esophagus some because of chest pains due to the scar tissue developing around the Nissen site squeezing my closure shut smaller even more. I was diagnosed in Feb 2013 with LPR in the throat and teeth erosion too and reflux disease in the throat as well as the Esophagus. As you can see this has taken a toll on my system and I've tried to stay positive and focused.
I am on Nexium every day as well as all I've been through. Loosing my hair along with everything else has been so hard on me and emotional. The bad thing is I never knew I had reflux in my life. In order to have Barrett's you have had high reflux for a very long time. We also found out I have a Niacin
allergy so there are some medications that I can not take that contain high
amounts of Niacin. I would love help or tips to get my hair and my fun self
esteem back. It's a long battle.
I can answer questions based on my experience if needed. One thing that has helped me is Zofran bilingual salts on hand when the nausea and stomach pains hit (also have IBS). Another is using teeth products that have Xylecol in them, toothpaste, mouthwash, mouth spray. I catch myself holding my throat position tense and concentrating on relaxing the jaw helps too. I've had to do voice therapy already and learn how to talk again in a way.
One thing that I can not get rid of is once I'm tense and my jaw and throat are not relaxed, the hyped feeling is super hard to get rid off on your own.
This condition has caused hypersensitivity in my esophagus and larynx. When I eat something I should not or am tired, stressed or unwell I get copious sour tasteing clear gel like mucus that can just pour out of my throat. If I don't get this up it causes nausea. During the immune reaction I feel quite unwell. I call it throat nausea and I also get a dull headache. Does anyone else get this reaction.
I have LPR but only had a demeester score of 15 (mix of alkaline and some acid) PPI's don't work - in fact they make me far worse and I get IBS symptoms and nausea too
Since PPI's do not work for u, have u tried a H2blocker? Like Pepcid?
PPI's do not work for everyone, and reasons could start with u have low acid issues not high, or that they just do not work for u.....
For yrs I took a PPI and it worked well.....then they stopped working ....now on a H2B I find more success with them and along with modifying my diet I also find I only need to take them once in a while as opposed to a regimen of daily doses.
Talk with ur Dr about other possible meds. AND modifying diet and lifestyle to help calm down ur GI issues,
Hello Shon, this is Ziana1... I have the same symptoms of LPR and similar story... My throat hurts like hell and I'm loosing the voice...( and I;m a singer)... HELP!!! It comes and goes all my life since my childhood... This time, a throat specialist told me that it's the acid that burns my throat... I took various anti-acid medications + diet - nothing worked.( Now, it's been 9!!! months of hell... Gastoroenterologist after the endoscopy procedure said that everything is normal in my stomach and took the biopsy... I got so confused!!! Normal??? The biopsy came with the results of some bacteria is in y stomach... Now I'm taking 2 kinds of antibiotics + 160!!! mg of omeprasol per day... Sometimes I feel better, But sometimes it get worse... It hurts !!!! I'm very confused... Should I switch to a deferent medicine, like Nexim? Somebody, HELP please!!!
this is Ziana1... I have the same symptoms of LPR and similar story... My throat hurts like hell and I'm loosing the voice...( and I;m a singer)... HELP!!! It comes and goes all my life since my childhood... This time, a throat specialist told me that it's the acid that burns my throat... I took various anti-acid medications + diet - nothing worked.( Now, it's been 9!!! months of hell... Gastoroenterologist after the endoscopy procedure said that everything is normal in my stomach and took the biopsy... I got so confused!!! Normal??? The biopsy came with the results of some bacteria is in y stomach... Now I'm taking 2 kinds of antibiotics + 160!!! mg of omeprasol per day... Sometimes I feel better, But sometimes it get worse... It hurts !!!! I'm very confused... Should I switch to a deferent medicine, like Nexim? Somebody, HELP please!!!
Hello Grosser. This is Ziana1. I've been suffering from LPR for 9 months... Taking various medications... I think gaviscon liquid helps... Also I;m going to switch from omeprazol to Nexim... We'll see... How r you feeling now? any improvement?
It can take time for the damage to heal, so continue with the meds as directed by ur Dr.....and the modified diet...keep in mind there are also lifestyle modifications that will help as well .
Next, antibiotics will cause u to continue to feel that discomfort....as our body needs the bacteria to help break down the foods we eat, but anti biotics kill all bacteria the good ones as well as the bad, so talk with ur Dr about using pro biotics once everything of the bad bacteria is gone to help replace the good bacteria.
Have patience, and look at what ALL u can do to help urself heal...elevate the head of ur bed....etc...and relax...http://www.medhelp.org/health_pages/list?cid=236
I realised you asked me a question which I didn't see last year. Better late than never lol. Yes my mother was on acid blockers unfortunately and when she was switched to nexium full time her mental and physical health drastically deteriorated and her bile gastritis pain worsened to severe pain.
Dr. Koufman's book, Dropping Acid, has been a HUGE help in understanding LPR and eating foods that help rather than hurt. Within a month, I'm doing much better. I stayed on the restrictive diet longer than 2 weeks to help me settle into it. I'm now transitioning into the maintenance phase and figuring out the triggers. I also saw a speech pathologist as I had VCD that can be linked with LPR. (The speech pathologist was actually the one who diagnosed the LPR and the VCD!) Between the therapy, changing diet, and an acid blocker, I'm rapidly responding and have felt much better. I would recommend Dr. Koufman's approach.
I have been suffering from what I believe is LPR for the last 3 years. I have been put on every kind of PPI to no avail. I took Nexium twice a day for over a year and quit taking it on my own because it brought me no relief. I have CONSTANT burning in my throat, mouth sometimes nose and even eyes! So much so that my doctor at my insistance prescribed Tramadol so I could at least have some relief. I so far have not found a doctor to actually diagnose me with LPR, mostly around here they do not know what it is. I too have read Dropping Acid and found Dr. Koufman's book to be very helpful! I am trying to follow the induction diet and I am also taking Gaviscon liquid 30 minutes after every meal and B4 bedtime. Does anyone else have this burning constantly with no periods of relief? Also does the surgery (fundoplication) always take care of this type of problem. I am 60 minutes outside of Chicago and am seriously considering trying to find a doctor ENT or other who knows what I am dealing with!
My mother is free of severe GERD and severe LPR (suffered both for almost 6 years) within 3 weeks after she stopping nexium and starting betaine HCL with pepsin supplements (increases stomach acid) and also digestive enzymes (stomach acid also signals the release of digestive enzymes and bicarbonate from the pancreas required for digestion).
Excerpt from Gallbladder Attack - Stomach Acid...
"Too much stomach acid? Really? I mean, how is it that millions of people on PPIs are making too much HCl? Hyperchlorhydria or too much stomach acid is rather rare. If you're overeating, eating junk food or other food that is hard to digest, eating when stressed, living under stress, chances are much greater that you don't make enough hydrochloric acid or digestive enzymes and your symptoms stem from that. Take a look at some of the symptoms caused by low stomach acid.
Signs of Deficient Stomach Acid
Gas, bloating and burping shortly after a meal could be lack of HCl
Feeling of fullness or food not digesting
Heartburn and/or gastric reflux (sometimes too much HCl but most often not enough)
Foul smelling stools
Loose stools in the early morning
Dialated blood vessles on the cheeks and nose - Rosacea
Pernicious anemia or iron deficiency
Nausea especially after taking vitamins and minerals
Weak or cracked nails
Parasites - or at least increased susceptibility to parasitic infections
Chronic yeast infections
Acne in adults - especially if you have other symptoms from the list
Since low levels of stomach acid results in poor absorption of nutrients, many symptoms that accompany a deficiency of that vitamin or mineral makes this list much longer. The nutrients most affected are calcium, iron, folic acid, vitamin K and many B vitamins. See pernicious anemia."
thank you very much for your reply! I do have alot of the symptoms you have listed for low hydrochloric acid. I did try supplementing with the Betaine Hcl with Pepsin, thought it did help some BUT maybe I wasn't taking a high enough dosage. Maybe it is worth a try again! I go back to my gastroenterologist on the 30th after trying elimination of Milk products to see if it helped. It did not! I am going to ask him about HCL supplementation. Thanks again
i am suffering from blisters in my throat and acid reflux in my larynx. Its been 1 year i am not getting cured with any medicines.i dont eat food outside and i feel really sad that since one year i am not able to eat anythng i like. my doctor and family thinks that it is because of too much stress.i feel so depressed and now just feels i have to deal with it all my life.
I suffered from pain while swallowing and sore throat for almost 2 months. At the beginning it was a feeling of a lump in the throat that caused me to swallow saliva very often, but it evolved into pain that felt like nails were being driven through my throat. I finally went to my primary doctor who diagnosed me with GERD (based solely on history of symptoms) and gave me a strong proton pump inhibitor called Dexilant, for a month. However, it did not seem to resolve my throat issues. He recommended I go see a GI specialist, and I did. The GI first sent me to see an ENT to perfom a nasolaryngeal endoscopy to make sure there wasn't anything wrong with my upper throat. ENT found nothing, and sent me back to the GI. the GI performed an EGD endoscopy, and surprisingly enough, he found all mucose tissue in normal condition (no damage from reflux, not even Barrett's esophagus). He said "everything is perfect", and recommended I resume my normal diet.
However, not everything was perfect and I continued having pain when swallowing. I finally decided to see another ENT (it was now 3 months since my initial onset). The ENT examined me and heard of my symptoms, and quickly suggested I have LPR, or "silent reflux". He prescribed Zantac 300 once daily, 30 mins before dinner. I have been on the medication for 4 days, and initially it seemed like it curbed the discomfort, but I sill feel it (lump in throat, pain when swallowing, excesive clear-like phlegm in throat. This situation has turned my life upside down, and has nearly convinced me I have some sort of throat cancer, but I have no neck mass or other things that could suggest it (although the left side of my neck is often stiff and painful at times), in fact, given my history (no alcohol, no smoke, clear endoscopies, etc), no to doctor wants to even entertain the idea that it might be cancer. I have lost close to 20 pounds in the 3 months I have been struggling with this.
The onset of my symptoms seems to coincide with extra work load and work-related stress at the time. I think I also may have made it worse by focusing on the symptoms, because I think I have developed an very marked anxiety/depression condition as well. Has anyone had the same happen? I am curious as to how it was controlled/resolved. Thanks!
I am glad she is feeling great for so many years.
I have GERD and I would love to try something more natural. I don't like to take medicine too much. I truly believe we can find a better and natural way to fix ourselves.
Can you tell me please what are the natural enzymes your mom take?
Maybe I can find the cure for my stomach problems as well.
Red-Star, I too live in Australia and the post about your mum is very interesting. I'm in the process of weaning myself off a PPI because after being on it for six years I find I now have LPR and after extensive online reading about acid reflux I don't believe I should continue to take this drug.
My question to you is whether your mum saw someone who suggested the supplements she is on. It's quite a lonely process weaning off the PPI without any support even though I know it's the right thing to do. It's a painful and lengthy process for a lot of us it seems.
I recently came across a paper from the American Journal of Gastroenterology titled 'Evidence that Proton-Pump Inhibitor Therapy Induces the Symptoms it is Used to Treat'. Well, you wouldn't even need to read that paper after reading its title would you.
My mother was very ill (we are talking planning for a funeral ill) and I was searching desperately for an answer and couldn't believe it when I read LOW stomach acid was the most common cause of acid reflux.
I found a simple baking soda test online and had my mother try it out and she didn't burp for an hour. That was enough for me to take her off nexium cold turkey and have her trial a few supplements. I wasn't sure if this would work so this was trial and error.
My mother trialed a few brands which were not very good and finally found Nature's Sunshine Protein Digestive Aid and Dr Sandra Cabot's Digestive Enzymes which both worked well. Within 3 months all her health problems disappeared and within a year almost pain free from bile gastritis (now pain free and if pain returns it is because she hasn't taken enough supplements as she has bile sneaking into her stomach).
The metagenics brand is even better than Dr Cabot's enzymes because they contain more enzymes. It is a naturopathic prescription so if you can't afford see a naturopath then try Sandra Cabot's digestive enzymes which is available at health food stores.
I have read that about the rebound reaction after not taking nexium but in that study they didn't have anyone taking betaine HCL with pepsin or digestive enzymes. My mother did not have that rebound reaction and she started to feel better in three days. Amazing. Do NOT cut betaine HCL with pepsin supplements in half. Haha. Trial and error. :)
I have taken a note of the digestive supplements you recommend in case I need them down the track. What I'm doing at the moment, while I wean off the PPI, is juicing a small number of veges before meals and that has certainly helped digestion, possibly because of the enzymes in the veges.
I was taking organic raw apple cider vinegar before meals (2 tspn separately in 2 tall glasses of water) and that was stopping/easing heartburn. I'm convinced it also improved my digestion by giving my stomach some acid. However, because I have LPR as well, my throat wasn't happy about the vinegar passing over it, even though it was so diluted in the water. A few days after I stopped taking the vinegar I have had violent sore throats which wake me at night and make it a little uncomfortable to talk. So...I'm having Gaviscon after every meal now in an effort to relieve my throat symptoms. If I can get them under reasonable control again I might go back to the vinegar but not have it as often.
I'm hoping that once I can stop taking the PPI my system will rebalance but there's a likelihood I may need the supplement with acid.
For others reading this, I have found that eating a diet of mainly vegetables, a small amount of fruit and small amount of meat plus natural yoghurt for its probiotics has helped a lot. It is a very restrictive diet but I plan to stick with it until I get off the PPI which might take 2-3 months.
So many people in online forums feel better once they get off the PPIs that you really have to consider whether this medication should be prescribed until a person is assessed for how much stomach acid is actually present before starting the drug. It would appear that the majority of doctors automatically assume that reflux is a problem of excess acid when in fact the reverse is most often true. Bad scene.
It is a challenge at times to keep positive throughout this ordeal but now that even scientific papers are questioning the outcome of long-term PPI therapy, as well as the FDA in the US, I do feel it is right to get off this drug and when the symptoms get me down I focus on what I expect will be a good outcome from my action.
Red_Star, your post about your mum is encouraging and thank you for sharing it here. I'm sure she appreciates what a wonderful daughter she has.
I have LPR with all the classic symptoms. Recently I had major surgery causing me a great deal of stress; during anesthesia they also administered anti-nausea medication; in the ensuing weeks I had two rounds of anti- boots
All of which can cause a weakening of your LES.
I read Dr. Jonathan Wright's book: Why Stomach Acid Is good For You.
I started with pancreatic digestive enzymes - one before each meal. With my evening meal I started with one Bethaine HCL with Pepsin...648 mg with 150 mg of Pepsin and have worked up to 5 pills with my evening meal.
I sqeeze a fres lemon in good water and add 1/4 tsp of good sea salt, drink about 4oz. Before meals. In the fridge I keep handy blacCalamata Oliver's and pop a couple in my mouth along with well chewed good, raw almonds.
My symptoms have improved by 60 percent. Read Jonathan Wright's book, it's a real eye opener.
I was diagnosed with GERD in 2005 but now my PCP says I have LPRD. An ENT looked at my vocal cords and observed that they were coated with mucus. My symptoms include hoarse voice, chronic cough, and random unpredictable events of laryngitis. This is a problem because I am a singer. Fellow singers recommend antihistamines but a dentist friend recommends Mucinex. I already take PPIs, H2 blockers, and Gaviscon. What should I do?
I just got diagnosed with LPR a few weeks ago. My main symptom is a constant clearing of my throat and post nasal drip. I have been taking the medicine that the doctor prescribed for 2 weeks now and it seems like my symptoms are getting worse. I now have a chronic cough and a hoarse voice. I also feel the symptoms get worse during periods of high stress.
I have found this forum very helpful. I am willing to try the supplements that your mom takes as I don't want to constantly have to take something every day that isn't natural. How often does she take the medicine?
Thank you for the information. I am following a similar diet path as you (no chocolate is the hardest!). One suggestion I have is to reduce/eliminate dairy. Although it is not especially high in acid and may not be the cause of your problem, it has helped me because I think it adheres to the mucus I already have. I definitely notice increased phlegm and throat clearing after eating dairy. Soy yogurt doesn't seem to bother me as much, although it's not as tasty. On the bright side, eliminating all of these foods (especially dairy) has caused me to lose 15 pounds. It's nice to have something positive come out of this frustrating situation!
I've had what was just diagnosed (ENT) as LPR, for a couple of years. I'm a singer, or rather was. Even with aging, I had a lovely bel canto voice until this started, Now, I simply cannot sing, and have stopped all my chorale singing. It's a bit of a downer!
Also, I teach ESOL to adult immigrants, and, as such, am talking a lot. But my vocal cords feel swollen or numb.
I have no symptoms of reflux (just the sore larynx!), and no acid or burping or anything that would have made me consider LPR. My innards have virtually always been great because I have taken acidophilus and other probiotics, as well as enzymes, for decades. No GERD.
I'm faced with what to do. I'm cutting out coffee (will still take my No-Doz in the morning though). And will watch for anything else "acidic"
The ENT prescribed some new PPI, that costs about $250. I cannot afford that, and won't pick it up. I have taken ranitidine, and it makes me sleepy, so I just take it at night.
Other than that, I'm really more comfortable taking the Enzymes as suggested, and taking them more regularly. I do have on-hand, a combo enzyme that includes all you referred to.
About two weeks ago my throat (larynx) closed up and i could not breathe.. I dont know how long it lasted but by the time the ambulance picked me up I was having a heart attack which was brought on by lack of oxygen. I have been diagnosed with GERD for 30 years but it keeps getting worse. I have taken Zantac, Prevacid and am now on Nexium. It sounds like I may have LPR but was wondering if anyone else has had a heart attack because of this. I have an appointment with my gastro doctor on monday so we will discuss it. I have had trouble swallowing for a few years and have had tests-endoscopy, barium swallow and esophagram-with no answers. Thanks
I know it's been a long time since your post but I too have the same symptoms as you. I was diagnosed with LPR and am on the Dropping Acid diet. I was diagnosed with Osteoporosis at 50 and have been an active athletic person all my life. I don't get why my symptoms aren't going away. Did you find a cure?
I was misdiagnosed for 5 years or more. They told me I had asthma, and I had pneumonia a lot. I finally went to Cleveland Clinic and found out I have silent reflux. Five years of my life in pain and in the hospital. When my husband took me to the clinic I went in a wheel chair, this was in April of this year. When I went back in August I walked on my own. I am now going to a gym. I still am on a very strict diet. Anyone else on a strict diet? I would like to hear from people who have the same thing as I do.
Do you still need asthma meds, too? I am thinking of setting up an appointment at the Cleveland Clinic and wonder if you'd mind telling me which doctors you saw. My LPR symptoms are really affecting my quality of life and I need a doctor who actually understands this disease. I know some places are starting to recognize it as an "aerodigestive disorder" meaning it affects the airways as well as the throat. I am on omeprazole for six months now, but symptoms are still terrible...especially the shortness of breath. I put myself on a strict low acid diet for the past three weeks, and having some better days, but still some bad days too. What treatment plan are you on?
I am from Croatia and i also had reflux, its very bad thing, i have been taken medication(natural) which i bought in Italy, its working perfectly and its helping me a lot. I am able to give you this info for free, its neobiancid, search it on internet!
I just read about your mom--I have the same thing as her and have been taking Zypan by standard process. It really helped last time I had these symptoms but it has been over a year of being okay and not taking anything and now the zypan is not working as well. Is your mom on this forum?
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