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HELP,,,,,,LICORICE???
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HELP,,,,,,LICORICE???
by mot, Jul 11, 2002 12:00AM
I have been taking licorice root 500mg's twice a day before meals,and it seems as though its the only thing that works for hearburn. i have tried every prescription drug out there without succes until now. i dont know what is a good dosage for short term use of licorice root(not dgl) but stright licorice..is 500mg twice a day too much..will i get potassium loss for this dosage and other side effects such as water retention? i plan on using it for only 2 montsh to see if my esophogus will heal up. can someone help please?????? is this too much
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I too am trying this remedy again . This is day 6.
If you scan down through the messages there is another on DGL that is helpful too.
How long have you suffered and what did your doctor have you try ?
I urge you to buy the DGL, which is the safer form of licorice, and will not cause high blood pressure, and will not cause edema, because the steroidal part of plain licorice has been removed.
You may have serious problems if you stay on regular licorice, even for a month.
The DGL (De-Glycyrrhizinated Licorice) will help to heal BOTH your esophagus and stomach. I will also post some Gastric Reflux Tips (without acid blockers) that can help to heal both your esophagus and stomach. Check 'em out! :-)
Sincerely, Concerned lady
GER=Gastro-Esophageal Reflux. (Gastro=stomach. Esophagus=food tube.)
LPR= Laryngeal-Pharyngeal Reflux. (Larynx=voice box, containing the 2 vocal cords. Pharynx=throat, above the larynx. The larynx is above the trachea/windpipe.)
Reflux=acidic or alkaline stomach material that backs up into the esophagus (food tube), causing any of these problems: VCD/Vocal Cord Dysfunction/Laryngospasm attacks, cough, voice problems, asthma, globus (feeling of lump in throat), constant need to clear throat, worsening of sinus condition, sore throat, pre-cancerous conditions of throat &/or esophagus, etc.
SOME GER/LPR CONTROL THINGS WE DO, that we learned from the excellent book: STOMACH AILMENTS AND DIGESTIVE DISTURBANCES, by Michael T. Murray, N.D. See page 9, References, in my website: http://cantbreathesuspectvcd.com and, also see GER/LPR info on page 5, and on LINKS page.
PLEASE READ THIS GREAT BOOK. It may possibly be bought on-line, from Michael T. Murray’s website.
Some of the following we learned from people &/or other books, &/or other good websites about voice, GER, etc.
(1) DGL (De-Glycyrrhizinated Licorice) is one of our main methods of controlling the GER/LPR. We use Enzymatic Therapy brand DGL, shortly before ALL meals (breakfast, lunch, supper). The DGL does NOT cause high blood pressure, and does NOT cause fluid retention/edema, because the bad (steroidal) part of whole/crude licorice has been removed, leaving the DGL. DGL is available at most health food stores, and at good pharmacies.
The DGL tablet(s) must be chewed, to mix with saliva, to be effective. If it is too dry, one could mash/crush it and mix with a little water, and then chew it up. Chew tablet(s) for about 10 seconds (at least), to thoroughly mix with saliva, shortly before EVERY meal, and if necessary, between meals (Read label directions).
The DGL seems to not only promote healing of throat, esophagus and stomach, but also seems to help prevent OUR reflux.(resulting in no more globus/lump in throat sensation, no more constant throat clearing, excess mucous, excess phlegm, no more NIGHT-TIME VCD/Vocal Cord Dysfunction/Laryngospams attacks, no more laryngitis, etc. for us)
We like the taste of the plain, fructose-free, DGL CHEWABLE tablets, but for those who hate the taste, try mixing the crushed tablet with a tiny bit of mashed organic banana, and then chew thoroughly, to mix with saliva. Avoid any DGL that contains mint. (Mint—in all forms, can cause gastric reflux episodes. AVOID MINT!!).
(2) We use Thayers brand of SLIPPERY ELM Throat Lozenges when we feel the need. (Soothing, coating, healing, nourishing). Slippery Elm (inner bark from a tree) also comes in teabag form, or in bulk, etc. as an herbal supplement.
(3) We drink the occasional small glass of CARROT JUICE (organic, fresh) which soothes, coats, heals the digestive tract, is nourishing, and stimulates the immune system, with beta-carotene, soothing and coating PECTIN (a type of fiber), and other good nutrients. (Carrot soup, cooked carrots are also good. Beta-carotene is heat resistant.) (Beta-carotene later is turned into Vitamin A inside us). Do not overdo. If your skin turns orange, cut back on the carrot juice. Avoid beta-carotene pills -- too potent.
(4) We tried elevating the head of the bed a few inches, by putting 6 inch to 8 inch BLOCKS, ON THE FLOOR, under the head end of the bed. This creates a slant (tilt), where the head is 6 to 8 inches higher than the feet. This helps some people, but not all people. (Check with a pediatric Gastro-enterologist, about raising the head end of a bed of a child, or a crib of an infant). Also, see (16) about a special GERD PILLOW, for adults.
(5) We try NOT TO BEND OVER too often, and we try to AVOID STRAINING (Valsalva maneuver). We AVOID LIFTING HEAVY objects. (No weight lifting!) (at least until after no more reflux symptoms for 3 months).
(a) If CONSTIPATION is causing any straining, see Ref.15,18,23,24,25 on page 9 for ideas about gently treating constipation, including eating whole grains, not white (de-natured ones), etc. For us, exercise, increased water intake, acidophilus/bifidus, digestive enzymes, avoiding junk food, improved diet, chewing slowly (takes will power!), eating when not under stress or angry, etc., all are helpful.
(6) NO MORE TIGHT pants, belt, corset,--AVOID TIGHT CLOTHING etc.
(7) We try to not eat too much junk food. Some people avoid acidic food, while others need to eat acidic food, if their stomach is not producing any (or enough) acid. (It is good to avoid acid, if one has an ulcer.) These gastric reflux tips methods often can help to heal ulcers. Some people need betaine hydrochloride supplements, which becomes HCl/hydrochloric acid, or, some use vinegar (acetic acid) in salads, or mixed with water, while others need to avoid eating excess acid. Each person is unique. We avoid all artificial sweeteners. Anyone with diabetes might want to look at the excellent book Reversing Diabetes, by Dr. Julian Whittaker, M.D..
Diet soda pop contains the harmful artificial sweetener Aspartame (Equal/Nutrasweet), which can cause WEIGHT GAIN, HEADACHES, UPSET STOMACH, BLURRED VISION, BLINDNESS, TWITCHING, SEIZURES, BRAIN TUMORS, HYPERACTIVITY, MOOD SWINGS, ETC., and soda pop often has strong acids, plus other harmful artificial ingredients. Plain water, gentle herb teas, certain fruit juices, brown rice-milk, etc. are healthier substitutes for soda pops.
We try to avoid all artificial ingredients, including fake fats (like Olean, Olestra, etc.), because these can destroy the digestive system, and prevent absorption of vital nutrients, such as fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) from foods. These fake fats also prevent digestion and absorption of needed fats & oils, used to repair myelin nerve cell sheaths (made of fatty material, mostly cholesterol). Hormones are also made of mostly cholesterol.
(8) We try to drink more water, to prevent chronic dehydration. We like hard (nicely mineralized) well or spring water.
We do not drink distilled water (soft water, no minerals), because it can leach minerals out of our bones, possibly contributing to osteoporosis. (See Ref.18,23, on page 9.) We avoid water softeners (chemicals) because they can be toxic, and because good minerals help keep us healthy. People with KIDNEY PROBLEMS &/or GLAUCOMA, etc. should ask their docs how much water is safe to drink, since too much water can be dangerous for them! (But, dehydration can cause problems also.)
(9) We use ACIDOPHILUS/BIFIDUS ( edible beneficial bacteria which keep bad YEASTS away, such as Candida Albicans, formerly called Monilia). ACIDOPHILUS/BIFIDUS also can eat or control some bad bacteria, and some viruses. The acidophilus/bifidus are also called PRO-BIOTICS and are beneficial intestinal flora (mainly for the large intestine). We keep the jars refrigerated, but not too cold. These are available at health food stores & pharmacies. (See Ref.14,15,23,24,25, on page 9).
Acidophilus/bifidus can re-populate the large intestine, with good bacteria, after antibiotics &/or steroids, etc. have killed off these good bacteria! Some of us have to continue eating the acidophilus/bifidus (daily, or from time to time), but the results seem worth the effort to us.
Yogurt and buttermilk contain similar beneficial bacteria, but are milk products, so see (11) below about milk products.
(10) We use DIGESTIVE ENZYMES. My husband likes Acid-Ease by Prevail, which contains Slippery Elm (inner bark), Marshmallow Root, Gamma-Oryzanol (from Rice Bran Oil), and the plant enzymes Amylase (digests starch), Lipase II (digests fat), and Cellulase I (digests cellulose from plant cell walls). The Acid-Ease does not contain Protease, which can be very irritating to ulcer/GER folks.
The Acid-Ease is NOT an acid blocker. It is not an antacid. It soothes, coats, nourishes, and promotes healing. Its enzymes help with leaky gut syndrome.
I use Total Enzymes (which does have Protease, a protein digesting enzyme) by Nutri-West, a company that sells only to health practitioners (Chiropracters, Physicians, and others). One could ask their physician to order, at cost, for them, by having physician call 1-307-358-5066.
Digestive enzymes are NOT FOR EVERYBODY.
(11) My husband has found that AVOIDING MILK PRODUCTS helps him feel less congested, with less mucous in throat. Milk and milk products can cause gastric reflux episodes. Brown-Rice Milk (look for gluten-free) can substitute for milk (but not for babies!).
Gluten is in wheat (includes spelt & kamut), rye, oats, barley, & buckwheat. Read labels to avoid hidden gluten, in some soy sauces, gravies, grain alcohols, beer (barley malt), etc. People with Celiac Disease need to avoid all foods containing gluten. BROWN RICE (organic) is gluten-free. Corn is gluten free, but is very allergenic (allergy causing), so avoid corn. Avoid millet, at first, because there is disagreement about whether millet is safe or not, for Celiac patients.
MILK MAY CAUSE MORE ACID to be produced, IN THE STOMACH.
I occasionally eat milk products, like yogurt, cheese, whipped cream, or my ACIDOPHILUS/BIFIDUS, which is mixed with goat milk powder. So, at these times, I take LACTASE ENZYMES, to digest (break down into easily absorbed small molecules) the milk-sugar called LACTOSE. Many people (due to heredity &/or disease) have Lactose intolerance, where the small intestine does not secrete the lactase enzyme. Result is that the milk-sugar (lactose) travels further down the small intestine than it should. Then, bad bacteria eat the lactose, giving off lots of gas (a by-product of the digestion of bad bacteria), and this causes folks to get bloated, gassy, have diarrhea, and cramping. I use Lactaid brand lactase enzymes, and it works for me. Ordering direct from them can save money.
(12) Using the above methods has almost completely freed my husband of needing to use Tums, and seems to be nicely controlling his and my GER/LPR. We have never used acid blockers.
ACID BLOCKERS CAN HAVE DANGEROUS SIDE EFFECTS: Some examples are:
Acid must be present in the stomach, in order for the stomach to make a substance called Intrinsic Factor. Intrinsic factor must be present with Vitamin B 12, in the stomach, for absorption of Vitamin B 12 to happen, in the ileum (last part of the small intestine), I believe.
Acid blockers therefore prevent absorption of Vitamin B 12. Malabsorption (lack of absorption) of Vitamin B 12, causes NERVE DAMAGE (pain, numbness, pins & needles sensation, etc.) in the peripheral nerves (outside the brain & spinal cord). This is called PERIPHERAL NEUROPATHY. For details about this problem, see the Peripheral Neuropathy forum at http://www.braintalk.org
If Vitamin B 12 continues to NOT be absorbed, eventually there can be NERVE DAMAGE to the Central nervous system (brain & spinal cord).
ALSO, the minerals calcium, iron, zinc, other minerals, and important trace minerals, etc. cannot be properly absorbed, when there is no acid in the stomach (due to acid blockers, etc.).
AND, protein does not get properly digested (broken down--eventually into amino acids), in the stomach, when there is no acid in the stomach.
Doctors and pharmacists can advise about gradual(slow) tapering down (weaning) schedules (when and if safe) for the acid blockers. Some acid blockers, when stopped too quickly, can cause rebound acid secretion in the stomach, resulting in excess hydrochloric acid secretion.
ALSO, SOME FORMS OF REFLUX ARE NOT ACID REFLUX, but are ALKALINE REFLUX, (bile is alkaline). Besides refluxed stomach acid (HCl/hydrochloric acid), Pepsin (an acidic proteolytic/protein digesting, enzyme) & bile (alkaline) can irritate & damage: the esophagus, throat, vocal cords, & lungs.
(13) Do not drink ICY COLD DRINKS, and AVOID VERY HOT DRINKS. Use room temperature drinks, or slightly cool, or warm, but not ultra-hot. Extremely cold or hot liquids can irritate the stomach, which is bad for ulcers &/or gastric reflux.
(14) Ask physical therapists, chiropractors, osteopaths, etc. if they know any safe adjustments that might lessen GER/LPR, if you wish.
(15) Read (by Dr. James A. Koufman) PATIENT INFORMATION SHEET ON REFLUX by Center for Voice Disorders of Wake Forest University. Here’s a link: http://www.bgsm.edu/voice/pt_info.html Dr. Koufman was a pioneer in showing the connection between stomach reflux (can be acid reflux OR alkaline reflux) and breathing problems!
(16) Some have found a special (large) GERD pillow helpful for preventing GERD episodes while sleeping and while lying down. Here is a link to the Prop up pillow website: http://www.propuppillow.com
(17) Avoid harmful chemical air pollution, which can aggravate gastric reflux. See page 5 of VCD website for more about this.
(18) Using the above methods, in addition to the SINUS SURVIVAL tips, has helped us to prevent VCD attacks, in us.
(19) Please check with your doctor, in advance, to be sure that it is OK for you to try these tips, in your particular case. Also, please get monitored by your doctor, to be sure that no more damage to the throat, esophagus, stomach, vocal cords, lungs, etc. is happening, from possible SILENT gastric reflux.
Pregnant or nursing ladies should check with their doctors, before trying any of these tips.
Avoid any herbs, foods, etc. that you may be allergic to.
Check with your doctor and pharmacist, to be sure that there would be no harmful interactions between any of your medications, diet that you may be on, and any herbs, foods, etc. mentioned in these tips.
Check with your doctor, to be sure that these tips would not interact badly with any medical condition you may have.
These tips help my husband and me (adults). Some of these tips may be OK for children, and others may not be OK for children. Check with your doctor! Babies with gastric reflux need DIFFERENT treatments, not these tips (except for raising the head end of the crib, if your doctor says it is OK to do this, etc.). Check with your doctor!
Day 7 of DGL and I do not mind the taste and let it sit in my mouth 20 minutes before all small meals.
A concern is the gum bleeding : does this small amount in a small person cause a blood thining effect ?
So wanting to heal and agree with you and the harsh drugs out there.
In April they had me quit after 2 weeks due to gums.
Is extreme weight loss a factor with GERD sufferers who don't seem to resolve the symptoms ?
I wondered do you work with a support group in your area since you are so informed on this condition ?
I think that you need to find some better doctors to help you figure out what's going on exactly, in your case.
I don't know what you have, and nobody can really know, over the internet. Don't delay any longer. Find better doctors, now.
This is what we do. After getting some ideas from the internet, we go to a doctor, to get diagnosed. Then, we have choices of treatments, including natural ones.
Your big weight loss is alarming, and you need to find out whether you have more than just GERD, such as an ulcer, cancer, gall bladder problem, liver problem, pancreas problem, auto-immune problem, or something else going on.
No matter what you have, THERE ARE WAYS TO CURE IT!
The time to find out, is now.
Once you have a REAL DIAGNOSIS (or more than one), there will be NATURAL REMEDIES among all the treatments, so you will have choices of treatments.
Since nothing is working for you, so far, I think it means that you don't yet know what all is wrong. FIND OUT, by going to BETTER DOCTORS, for exams & testing.
Keep us posted!
While you are looking for better doctors, try all the REST of the gastric reflux tips, not just the DGL.
The reason I know a little about gastric reflux, is that my husband and I both have it, and I like the book by Michael T. Murray, that I recommend in the GASTRIC REFLUX TIPS. We're not part of a support group, since the "tips" have helped us.
Hang in there. Take action by going to better doctors, now.
Sincerely, Concerned lady
http://cantbreathesuspectvcd.com
He said after the g.i. tests months ago it would go away with time , But the weight loss and suffering continues.
This is my 3rd attempt with DGL by Natural factors : Dr. Murrays
and again find my gums bleeding which I have been in for cleanings 4x previous. Never had this before . After six days of chronic pain, heat, I find a better day and want to continue healing stomach lining but wonder if it has a blood thinning effect or again my sensitive system which took me off H2's and PPI's is a side effect nightmare. Appreciate your insight and continue to follow all guidelines.........If we have missed something let us know ? I did have the Celiac blood test : negative.
I'm glad you will see the doc again, tomorrow afternoon. Is this a Gastro-intestinal doc, or ???
Have you tried the DGL by "Enzymatic Therapy?" See if this brand does NOT cause bleeding gums. Let us know.
Try chewing just ONE of the DGL tablets by "Enzymatic Therapy", for about 10 seconds to mix with saliva,--do this about 20 minutes before each meal.
Try ALL THE OTHER "TIPS" too, NOT JUST THE DGL.
Have you tried drinking a little organic CARROT JUICE?
Have you tried some Slippery Elm herbal tea, or throat lozenges?
Have you had someone put blocks on the floor, under the head-end of your bed, to create a slant/tilt, where your head will be 6 to 8 inches higher than your feet, while sleeping?
Are you wearing tight clothing? (belt, corset, etc.)
Do you lift weights, or bend frequently, or lift heavy objects?
How long were you on those acid blockers? Did you taper off them slowly, or did you suddenly stop taking them?
What medications are you taking right now, and for what conditions?
Ask your doctor to refer you to a HOLISTIC NUTRITIONIST who might be able to find some nutritious (delicious) foods for you, that agree with your sensitive system, so that you can begin to get well again.
Besides your health situation, you need to get help to decrease any stress, because plain stress can harm the digestive systmem (stress can contribute to causing ulcers, etc.). Then, it can also be a vicious cycle, with illness causing stress, and stress causing illness!
Gums can bleed from not enough Vitamin C complex in your diet, but too much Vitamin C complex can irritate your stomach. Moderation is important, here.
Gums can bleed due to dental work. Do you floss after each meal? If not, flossing will help, but causes some temporary bleeding, until the gums get stronger.
Hang in there!
Sincerely, Concerned lady
http://cantbreathesuspectvcd.com
I'm glad you will see the doc again, tomorrow afternoon. Is this a Gastro-intestinal doc, or ???
Have you tried the DGL by "Enzymatic Therapy?" See if this brand does NOT cause bleeding gums. Let us know.
Try chewing just ONE of the DGL tablets by "Enzymatic Therapy", for about 10 seconds to mix with saliva,--do this about 20 minutes before each meal.
Try ALL THE OTHER "TIPS" too, NOT JUST THE DGL.
Have you tried drinking a little organic CARROT JUICE?
Have you tried some Slippery Elm herbal tea, or throat lozenges?
Have you had someone put blocks on the floor, under the head-end of your bed, to create a slant/tilt, where your head will be 6 to 8 inches higher than your feet, while sleeping?
Are you wearing tight clothing? (belt, corset, etc.)
Do you lift weights, or bend frequently, or lift heavy objects?
How long were you on those acid blockers? Did you taper off them slowly, or did you suddenly stop taking them?
What medications are you taking right now, and for what conditions?
Ask your doctor to refer you to a HOLISTIC NUTRITIONIST who might be able to find some nutritious (delicious) foods for you, that agree with your sensitive system, so that you can begin to get well again.
Besides your health situation, you need to get help to decrease any stress, because plain stress can harm the digestive systmem (stress can contribute to causing ulcers, etc.). Then, it can also be a vicious cycle, with illness causing stress, and stress causing illness!
Gums can bleed from not enough Vitamin C complex in your diet, but too much Vitamin C complex can irritate your stomach. Moderation is important, here.
Gums can bleed due to dental work. Do you floss after each meal? If not, flossing will help, but causes some temporary bleeding, until the gums get stronger.
Hang in there!
Sincerely, Concerned lady
http://cantbreathesuspectvcd.com
I'm glad you will see the doc again, tomorrow afternoon. Is this a Gastro-intestinal doc, or ???
Have you tried the DGL by "Enzymatic Therapy?" See if this brand does NOT cause bleeding gums. Let us know.
Try chewing just ONE of the DGL tablets by "Enzymatic Therapy", for about 10 seconds to mix with saliva,--do this about 20 minutes before each meal.
Try ALL THE OTHER "TIPS" too, NOT JUST THE DGL.
Have you tried drinking a little organic CARROT JUICE?
Have you tried some Slippery Elm herbal tea, or throat lozenges?
Have you had someone put blocks on the floor, under the head-end of your bed, to create a slant/tilt, where your head will be 6 to 8 inches higher than your feet, while sleeping?
Are you wearing tight clothing? (belt, corset, etc.)
Do you lift weights, or bend frequently, or lift heavy objects?
How long were you on those acid blockers? Did you taper off them slowly, or did you suddenly stop taking them?
What medications are you taking right now, and for what conditions?
Ask your doctor to refer you to a HOLISTIC NUTRITIONIST who might be able to find some nutritious (delicious) foods for you, that agree with your sensitive system, so that you can begin to get well again.
Besides your health situation, you need to get help to decrease any stress, because plain stress can harm the digestive systmem (stress can contribute to causing ulcers, etc.). Then, it can also be a vicious cycle, with illness causing stress, and stress causing illness!
Gums can bleed from not enough Vitamin C complex in your diet, but too much Vitamin C complex can irritate your stomach. Moderation is important, here.
Gums can bleed due to dental work. Do you floss after each meal? If not, flossing will help, but causes some temporary bleeding, until the gums get stronger.
Hang in there!
Sincerely, Concerned lady
http://cantbreathesuspectvcd.com
Eating specialist in Internal Medicine since the G.I. department said Nexium should have had me back to health by now and the tests 8 months ago were ok.
I use Natural Factors chewables 400mg. each Dr. Mike Murray suggested and was told they all work the same at the Health store.
Sleep with tilt and have since onset, Never were tight clothing or lift anything : Too tiny and no upper body strength as is.
Stress: yes a year ago lost 4 close family members but truely healed with help.
Diet : Always juicing , walking, None of the no-nos mentioned ever. Lost 40 lbs 7 years ago and never went back.
Slippery Elm : husband loved
I am allergic
No medications besides DGL and crushed multi. OFf all ppi's etc. for at least 5 months now.Vit C blood test looked good 2 months ago.
See the Dilema.
Appreciate the concern.
It sounds like the terrible tragedy started all your digestive problems. I urge you to try some or all of the following to see if these can help you recover:
1) Acupuncture done by a kind, caring, and expert person
2) Hypnotism (they teach you self-hypnotism, too)
3) Emotional support: a good psychologist, psychiatrist, counselor, etc. to help you work through the grief that is still affecting your body, mind and soul
4) A very good holistic nutritionist who can work closely with you, to find nutritious foods that don't upset your digestive system.
5) DON'T CRUSH UP YOUR VITAMINS. You may be irritating your esophagus and stomach by doing this. Never take vitamins on an empty stomach!!!!!! (very irritating).
6) Meditation, &/or Yoga, &/or Tai Chi, &/or other healing non medicine methods that are calming.
Hang in there!
Sincerely, Concerned lady
http://cantbreathesuspectvcd.com
Please remind me on what date the "dilemma" is posted.
Concerned lady
P.S. Have you tried all of the above ideas yet? If not, please try them.
You said you are always juicing. What are you juicing, exactly? And are these foods organic?
If you are drinking TOO MUCH JUICE (it can happen!), you may be drinking TOO MUCH of some thing(s) that are irritating to your digestive tract!!! Even carrots, in excess, can become toxic! TOO MUCH of a "good thing" can be bad.
Try not juicing so much. You may need to slowly chew (or blenderize & then slowly chew) instead of doing so much juicing.
See a really good holistic nutritionist who might be able to suggest a different type of diet for you, that may be less irritating, yet yummy & nutritious!
Hang in there.
Concerned lady
I appreciate all your great suggestions again.
I do meditate and started therapy a year ago when it all began. We cut back on the juicing when I lost the weight and now just maybe 2x a week carrotts, celery. Love to eat apples,bananas.
Looked into hollistic nutrition in our area.
Great doctor visit yesterday and he did not seem displeased with DGL , So I will continue with a prayer. Long process..........
Took summer off and was told I am not promoting this But hope to locate cause. Interesting post about stools : yellow floaters.
It is all important. Guess even my stool is not up to par.
Thanks.