Ok, I'm a newbie to this group, but not to the suffering I have been having. I've finally gotten a diagnosis for Gall Stones, which could very well be the cause for abdominal pain and nausea. But how does the rest of my title symptoms figure into a faulty GB scenario? The headache, dizziness, and occasional nausea has been going on for more than three years! The headache NEVER goes away! All my doctors want to do is prescribe "I don't care medication", sleep therapy and pain therapy. Give me a break! I'm miserable and need some answers. There's much more to my complaints that I'd be willing to discuss with a competent professional. The current Gastroenterologist has referred me to a general surgeon. I'm sure that offensive organ will be history within a short time. But my big question is, can the GB be responsible for the other symptoms I've been having, or should I keep pursuing them post surgically as separate symptoms signaling more serious causes?
Current Tests include a colonoscopy and endoscopy of the esophagus with nothing remarkable found beyond a previously known case of diverticulosis. Ultra Sound confirmed a parcel of GB stones, with cholelithiasis, being the diagnosis. One of the stones is over 1cm in diameter. The liver was described as being "fatty" during the same U/S done on the GB. I am not overweight, although I was 50 lbs. over weight about 8 years ago. I do not drink alcohol, nor do I smoke or use any tobacco.
After every meal or drink of liquid, nausea is usually enhanced, and often lasts until just before the next meal time. There is no pain medication in my cabinet which relieves the symptoms I'm having, and I'm afraid to ask for any. So I'm suffering and cannot see an end to it. So I pray the GB is the culprit, but...
hi, you would amazed how many symptoms occur from gall bladder disease, and all your symptoms fit quite well with the disease, so dont panic and go through with the procedure, you will feel an absolute turnaround in your situation, cheers.
No panic here, but am definitely concerned about damages already done to associated organs, as this has been going on for way too long as I indicated. I'm not one to make doctor appts., so it's something when I finally do. I'm looking for the "Silver lining through those rose-colored glasses" so often quoted. Online information has been a big help. Even a veterinarian has been influential. So maybe you and he are right. I surely hope so! I will have some post surgical script to share about this ordeal.
You obviously have other conditions beside gallstones. Headache and dizzines don't go well with gallbladder, maybe someone will disagree. Can you describe these in a detail? Headache all the time, whole head...? Dizzines on getting up from the bed or just all the time?
You have anything of the following?
- sleepines, tiredness
- oral thrush
Ok, GAS yes. Some itching of eyes, but this time of year is normal due to pollen is high. The Headaches have been CONSTANT for 39 months now; non-stop in other words. It does vary in intensity. And yes, I do feel a surge when I move my head quickly, like getting up, etc. More movement, the greater the headache. During the past three years I've had something close to migraine episodes once or twice. I do have quite a bit of sensitivity to many things. My dizziness is visually activated or enhanced. Again, the more movement I make, the dizzier I get. It's weird. Large buildings like Walmart, etc, drives me crazy to be in. I have to wear a baseball cap and sunglasses to be able to endure. Patterns in carpets, flooring, ceiling, etc. can cause me to panic some. I hate it. When I'm with just one other person dicing back and forth in close proximity, I get really dizzy and the headache ramps up! Much worse when I'm amidst a crowd!
But another major problem is the nausea. I get it now after eating or drinking anything! Now that is a real booger! There is a general malaise that accompanies it. Over the past few weeks I've been dealing with this night and day.
I am open to any suggestions. Am anticipating removal of the GB soon. Then we shall see what happens to the symtoms (symptoms).
With dizzines, you think, like getting out of balance, like disturbed sense of equilibrium?
Or more like feeling you'll faint?
Headache, nausea, and dizzines are all in high blood pressure. You should check this (with your GP) BEFORE any gallbladder surgery. Mention also this sensitivity to light and confusion in the space, I really don't think this would be from gallbladder.
Out of balance, and disturbed sense of equilibrium are in my opinion the same thing. I start to head one way, and the gyro doesn't hold so to speak, so I have to correct my direction a lot; it's frustrating. I've often thought, what if I had to walk the line? Ha! Now there's a hoot! If I was to be stopped for a traffic violation, they'd be giving me a breath-o-later test for sure! I couldn't walk a straight line if you paid me. I bump around in my house using walls and corners to straighten my intended path. In the dark, it becomes really interesting. That's another problem, I cannot see in the dark or feel my way around like I used to. I used to pride myself in the ability to see in the dark. Not anymore. Once, I about a year ago, I decided to hit the hike a little before sunup. Big mistake! Good thing I had a flashlight with me. Even then I was mortified what I wasn't able to do anymore! This isn't age setting in, there's something really screwy going on that defies reasoning. I've been to eye specialists, and ENT, as well as Neuro. Nothing has surfaced.
The Blood Pressure is actually pretty normal at an avg. of 115/70, and for my age, (almost 60) that's fantastic! Not high, and not low.
I do agree that the sensitivity and uncomfortable feelings in large spaces has nothing to do with the GB malfunction. I can twirl something in my hands, watching it closely and cause myself to become disoriented to my surroundings. I have to grab the counter or a chair to bring me back to center. Sometimes I do nothing at all, and the same thing happens. Once, I was with my son, and if he hadn't been beside me, I'd have fallen to the pavement. The compelling urge to tip to the right was stupendous, like a huge gyro was pulling me down! Whoa! That was awful. I grabbed his arm. He was surprised but stopped until I regained composure. If there was any reason to be alarmed, that surely was an eye-opener.
I've had all sorts of scans, MRI, MRI-A, CT, all with, or without dye. Nothing remarkable has been found.
For now, I'm concentrating on the faulty GB, as this is a constant problem giving me attacks on a daily basis, sometimes many episodes/day. Once this has been deleted, I do want to pursue the root of the cause for the above symptoms. But let me add one more thing into the mix.
A couple months ago, I started having a quaky feeling. At first I thought maybe my blood sugar was low, or my hemoglobin was poor. But blood tests bore out that was not the case. I have blood work twice/yr. and even more when I've been to the doctor. I have this quaky feeling right now as I write this, but it's minimal at the moment. When you couple this problem with nausea, headache, and dizziness (ataxia), and then the GB goes whacko! I'm not a happy camper. Perhaps I could qualify as a human wreck looking for a place to happen. I have had back surgery over six years ago, and that situation will never be normal again. It's a bit better in the pain dept. but miserable just the same. I can't stand for long and sitting gives me the fits too! Talk about a dilemma!
So I guess you now have some more food for thought. I appreciate your comments. I had hoped a actual MD would chime in with some free thoughts. Fat chance right?
im no doctor but id def say theres something else going on there. i just had a bad experience with gallstones and i know every person is different but deffinately didnt have no headacesor anything just the pain in my upperabdomine and back the norm. and i think im having another attack as well (yes i didnt have my gallballader removed yet) same ol pain for 3 hrs now and no headaces so ya id def persue the other symptoms no matter what the doc can say ur crazy but id get a second , third , or fourth opinion i wouldnt give up ever watch discovery health and the mystery diagnosis youd be suprised on how many cases are shown where docs miss simple things or thell the patients its in there heads and wrong diagnosis keep at it dont give up
Well then, you're just a short-timer with the GB hurting. But let me say that it can be a ticking bomb so to speak. For the GB can burst. And it can become cancerous. So don't delay getting to see your doctor.
My reasoning for consorting with this group is to bare my physical soul so to speak in an effort to unearth anything that I haven't considered regarding the other symptoms. I'm sure they are related to at least one other central reason, perhaps several. All previous testing has been inconclusive.
I don't think that I explained the headache very well before. It is almost always at the back of the head emanating from the base of the neck upward including side to side behind the ears, but stopping just above the top of the ears, and sometimes engulfing the temples. Rarely is it any different.
And yes, I've been to several Neurologists, as well as ENT, and Eye specialists. None have found anything. All they want to do is prescribe "I don't care" medication! Pathetic! That's not doctoring in my opinion. Perhaps I went to the left brain specialist instead of the right? Maybe it was the other way around? I'm sorry, but in the absence of a viable diagnosis, cynicism tends to creep up from my lower ganglia now and then.
Well, I'll chime in with some thoughts...has any mention been made about the trigeminal nerve? It has three branches, one is the occipital nerve (behind the eye), and I can't recall the other two branches, but I believe they all affect different parts of the face. If the entire trigeminal nerve is involved, you would probably experience extreme pain in the side of your face.
Also, what about Shingles? I understand they can affect any nerve in any place or places in the body. Nerve pain sounds possible (neuralgia) as it is so difficult to treat and it doesn't respond to regular pain meds.
About the disorientation, dizziness, etc., has a contrast been done to check the arterial blood flow of the main artery in your neck? (Sorry, the name of that artery is on the tip of my tongue, but can't think of it!). If blood flow was restricted, that could explain the confusion, and your response to patterns, lights, etc.
I agree that you have not rec'd good doctoring! I also think many docs hate it when patients diagnose themselves even though we know our bodies best. Sometimes I've wanted to just start all over with a brand new physician and not mention any past tests I've had as it seems once they seize upon a diagnosis, they don't want to let go and look deeper for causes.
If you think there could be something going on that's non-organic, could it be anxiety/panic attacks? I'd consider discussing the situation with someone well-versed in the very real world of phobias, anxiety, etc. Given your sense of humor and the fact that you are actively pursuing answers, I'd say it doesn't sound like agorophobia! All signs seem to point to a nerve or interrupted arterial blood flow issue to me though.
Good luck and keep looking...you're a very young person still. I'm 50 and hate when I'm told "well, you are getting older..." Sigh.
Tanks for adding your response to the fray. Hey, "nothing ventured, nothing gained!"
The Trigeminal nerve has definitely been under consideration for a cause of the "quaky" feeling. In fact, for quite a while now I have had some tingling, buzzing, and numbness on the left side of the neck from just above the back of the ear, and down the neck to the ridge of the shoulder, extending to the rotator cuff. I can control it by stretching the neck to the right, down and back; basically relieving whatever tension is built up there. I've noticed that my computer chair contributes to the pinching of the T-nerve, as my left arm is resting on the arm of the chair which causes the T-nerve to bunch up, or so it seems.
But the quaky feeling is something new which began about three months ago in earnest, although it comes and goes, without any reasonable association. I notice it more while standing, doing physical chores, and one of my first loves, culinary creations from the c-kitchen. I just drive on through it, and pretend it's not really happening to me. I do the deep-breathing thing to help minimize the discomfort, which really does work; that and getting lost in the moment.
One other thing about the quaking is that it appears to be more left-sided, which definitely leads me to believe it's neurological.
My youngest son is one month away from receiving his doctorate in Physical Therapy. He has examined me, and unofficially concurs there is a definite neurological connection with what I'm experiencing. Trouble is he's finishing his clinicals about 2500 miles away from me.
To my knowledge, I never had Chicken Pox, thus no shingles! Mom said I had a mild case of the childhood affliction, but I don't remember it. My sibs can't remember either.
Regarding Arterial flow, I've had a pretty comprehensive battery of diagnostics targeting the blood flow in the brain, neck and shoulders. I think they left the lungs and heart for another time when they can make that little sound, "Kaching! Kaching!" resound for an instant replay.
I'm going for Pre-Op this coming week. Of course, they will do the usual EKG, and Breath-OH-meter test, along with sucking my poor arteries once again for samples. None of that has ever presented any revelations. But you never know.
But on this business of the headache, my Chiropractor says that if you have a headache, there is at least a 75-80% chance that the source of same will be found from the neck up, or C4 upward. My son concurs.
Take a look at this link: http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/meded/Neuro/neurovasc/navigation/aca.htm
which demonstrates the Anterior Cerebral Arterial region in pretty good detail. In one of my CAT's scans the kitty said that I had a missing anterior link, which is an uncommon anomaly found in one of every 10,000 or so lucky beings. Ah, ok, so my body wasn't exactly a cookie-cutter-copy. Hmmmm
You certainly have it right about the medical profession as a whole. If they can't place it on their charts of 10 Common Causes, they won't even stop and consult, or look further.
I had a Neuro that did demonstrate that he actually cared by calling me twice at my home! I was flabbergasted, as anyone would be today. It was almost as if he was calling me because he'd found something. In fact, when he identified himself at the onset of the call, I thought, OMG, I've bought the big one! But I wasn't even close. He was just calling to say, " If you'll come back in, we will beat the bushes and do some more testing until we can uncover the cause(s)." I do plan to go back once this GB thing is over. But when was the last time your doctor called you personally? When was the first time? For me it was never, and that was the last. I told him, "ok then, so what you're saying is you don't have a clue? So then I guess when my family calls the emergency vehicle, maybe then a comprehensive study will be given to me." He didn't know what to say.
Angst? Ha! Nah! You've got me fairly well pegged. I love life and endeavor to make as much pun of it as possible. I grew up getting into hot water with my grade school teachers. It seems that they would work hard at getting me to say something and then when I did, they couldn't shut me up! The words, "klass klown" Kums to mined, mind, doh? It was always really funny to me, because the teachers didn't know whether to laugh or get angry! But they were in charge, so...
I really do appreciate all your comments. Keep them coming. Perhaps I'll have something to suggest to the learned men of medicine?
Well, it's been 9 days since my GB surgery. I had a lot of trouble with GERDS erupting acid into my throat. For the first couple of days, it was horrid, as I tried to swallow the awful stuff and hiccups would begin! The very sore abdomen didn't like any of this.
Then there was the almost constant nausea. Doc ordered meds for this and I was able to buy some Equate brand, max-strength acid reducer with "Ranitidine 150." (same as Zantac) It's probably akin to rat poison but without the kick. Anyway, I'm taking it just once in the morning, and the symptom has been totally relieved!
The nausea has all but left me and I've not taken anything for it for about five days now. Had a bit this morning, but it didn't last. I'm so thankful for that abatement as well.
A strange re-occurrence of pain so similar to a GB attack happened a couple of times within three days after the surgery. I suspect the body was doing some adjustment to the missing organ, along with my coping with gas pain, the nausea and the acid reflux. Perhaps it was just the combination of things. I'm still getting some minor pain like the stone-filled GB used to give me. This perplexes me and will bring this up to the doctor when I meet with him tomorrow.
I've been careful to adhere to no lifting and taking it easy. Easy? Ha! I was so exhausted for a week. All I wanted to do was sleep, except when I was supposed to. Night time was miserable, as I couldn't lay on either side, as it brought a lot of pain. The right side was the worst, and still is somewhat. In fact, all of the incisions are deeply tender. But there isn't any infection.
Speaking of infection, I had presence of mind to buy a surgical cleansing scrub similar to what doctors use. It's called "Hibiclens"; a bit expensive at approx. $6, but well worth the pre-surgical peace of mind. I've read that hospitals don't do much for sterilization of your skin before the scalpel makes its mark. So I heartily recommend a thorough cleansing shower just before you leave home for the procedure. And be sure to use something like the product mentioned above.
Oh yeah, and I thought it was sort of macabre, as I lay on the gurney waiting for the "slumber-injection." The salty IV was sending a coolness into my arteries, while the heated, front-only paper jacket attempted to take the chill off of the refrigerated prep-room. There were four people standing around me, checking their watches, several cracking jokes and smiling, others more serious. They seemed to be waiting for something. There was no finger on a button. No one with a needle being readied to plunge into my IV. I felt like I was supposed to say something or do something. It was a bit crazy! Then suddenly, I sensed the lights were going out. The buggy started to move, and I remember thinking, "guys, this movement is making me dizzy, please slow down!...
I woke up to a nurse saying my given name, and was able to fixate on my surroundings fairly rapidly after that. Although, if you were to ask me what the room looked like where I got dressed, or how I got dressed, I can't remember much of anything pertaining to that. I do remember having help with socks. And they wheeled me out of the hospital in a wheel chair. From there the chariot came and got me. We headed back to the castle by the way of a couple of side trips. I didn't much care anyway. The meds were doing their job, and I didn't have to drive. Would have been quite a seen if I had! lol
Oh yeah, and the doc saved me the biggest marble from my GB collection. The darn thing is about 12mm and round like a marble; very light weight though.
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