Saliva inside condom?!

[ihopeso]

Dear Doctors,

If you read my previous cases... You know that every time I always tried to keep safe sex, but things happen :(

This time I was given protected oral sex by a Korean CSW in the States. However, she used her mouth to put on the condom on my penis! At the beginning when she just placed the condom on top of my penis, she tried to use her mouth to drill down the condom all the way down, but she accidentally went faster than the condom, which means that the condom was all in her mouth. Then, she tried to adjusted it, and successfully put on the condom and started the blow job.

I am sure that some of her saliva got inside of the condom at the moment when she "swallow" the condom.

Do you think there is any risk? So, I know that condom protected sex, kissing, and hand-genital sex carry ZERO risk (right?), but unprotected blow job is LITTLE risk (certainly "little" ≠ "no"). Do you think from the case I described, is there zero risk or little risk? If zero, I would be happy to move on, but if you say "little", it definitely means something different for me...

Thank you very much!

[Edward W Hook, MD]

Welcome back to our Forum. You are correct, I do know of your previous concerns and reviewed some of your 30 different interactions with MedHelp sources over that past 5 months before providing this reply.  What I see is that despite repeated assurances that receipt of even unprotected oral sex is SAFE sex which does not put you at risk for HIV, you continue to worry about such exposures.  That there was some of your partner's saliva on the inside of the condom she used does not pose any known risk for HIV to you. This should have been clear from your earlier interactions concerning the practice of oral sex.  

Regarding your specific questions:
I know that condom protected sex, kissing, and hand-genital sex carry ZERO risk (right?),

Correct

but unprotected blow job is LITTLE risk (certainly "little" ≠ "no"). Do you think from the case I described, is there zero risk or little risk?

As we have said again and again on this Forum, There are NO known cases in which a person has gotten HIV from receipt of oral sex from an infected partner.  This means it is considered a zero risk event.  

If zero, I would be happy to move on, but if you say "little", it definitely means something different for me...

Good idea.  I suggest that you put your concerns aside and move forward without concern,. I see no need for concern OR for testing.

Take care. EWH

[Edward W Hook, MD]

Still no risk.  EWH

[ihopeso]

Thanks! My last question is, does the fact that I am uncircumcised and I have some phimosis increase/result in any risk? Am I still free of HIV with NO risk?

Thank you thank you thank you!

[Edward W Hook, MD]

Yes, it contributed.   EWH

[ihopeso]

Thank you very much for your reply.

I just want to clarify one fact: you and Dr. Hansfield often say that once the genital/saliva comes out, the HIV virus will die quickly in a few seconds. Do you think the case that I described counted towards this scenario? The saliva was inside the condom...

[ihopeso]

I mean when she started to unroll the condom, her mouth definitely touches/covers the rolled part of the condom, so after it was unrolled, her saliva would come inside of the condom