4th gen tests and HIV mutations

Hi

I had a high risk contact with prostitute (that I later discovered, from her, had HIV and possibly other diseases)

I used condom (but the skin on the penis was probably damaged during sex - at least that's what skin doctor said examining it after 8 or 10 days - my penis head was red and painful)
We had 2 encounters (one finish inside vagina and second on in vagina but finishing with hand stimulation)
I also had some problems with erection and she helped me with a hand (on bare penis)- unfortunately I came to realize the risk of such behavior way to late

I had symptoms in 3rd week after encounter - throat infection that I treated with antibiotics so it finished quite often


then it was relatively calmer after 6 weeks  I still have many symptoms some of which might be stress realted such as raised and instable body tempreature diareahs, my penis is still itching quite often,

I did VDRL syphilis  test  and it was negative after 6 weeks

  


I did 4th generation tests (not sure which one exactly) after 21 days and than after 45 days both came negative


MY QUESTION IS:
1 What is the probability that this test were correct (and will confirm after 3 months) in case this prostitute had rare mutation of HIV
2 Rare mutation would be reasonable guess as she must have had sex with at least thousand guys and might have contracted different types of HIV as she did not care anymore. This lead to to cross infection and new mutations,
is this reasonable assumption?

3 do 4th gen test detect all mutations of HIV in early period (up to 6 weeks)?
4 Should i also take ELISA test after 60 days and will  4th generation test taken in 60 days be more reliable than this of 45 days - to calm me down even more (I really cannot cope with this pressure)




I would highly apreciate an answer form the doctor - I am under EXORBITANT stress
(disappointing my parents hopes  breaking their and my life), for the first time I fully realized life is is irreversible and would so much want to be different man


I REALLY NEED RELIABLE ANSWER I.E.THE TRUTH AND NOT CALMING ME DOWN



P.S. are doctors on this forum verified??

[LIZZIE LOU]

THERE ARE NO DOCTORS ON "THIS" FORUM?

are you saying that you had protected intercourse...and a unprotected handjob?

[MichalW]

yes

[LIZZIE LOU]

if that be the case...you were never at risk from contracting hiv from that incident.  any tests that you have taken would be conclusive for YOU because you didnt need to test in the first place.

[MichalW]

well yes but If my skin was damaged and she had viginal fluids on her hand wouldn't that pose a risk ??

I feel like only GOD can save me (I returned to my faith for lifetime I hope)


thank you for your answer

[LIZZIE LOU]

NO RISK!!!!!!!!

hiv cannot remain active outside its host and quickly becomes inactive when exposed to air.

[MichalW]

Doctor told me it can stay in vaginal fluid for 10-15 minutes. Still thank you for your answer I am just scared to death and loosing my mind.

My parents work 7 days a week and I am their only investment and hope for easier retirement. I wish I was told the real risks before and not that sex in condoms poses no risk
If I will survive I promised myself to tell people of all risks and help them to realize life is not a game, and I will be convincing at it!

Thanks again Lizzie.

[LIZZIE LOU]

NO RISK!!!!!

[Teak]

Move on, you were never at risk of contracting HIV.

[snippets69]

You didn't have a risk, but your 4th generation ELISA tests prove you don't have HIV, so guess what - you can let it go now.

[MichalW]

I am still afraid beacause I had both short oral (as foreplay) and vaginal intercourse in same condom

I believe there is a possibility partner could damaged condom with her teath,

anyway i think there should be more education on risks whit condoms -  i never fully realized them until now

[MichalW]

BTW I had elfa 4th gen test

[Teak]

MOVE ON.

[MichalW]

are you really sure !!! I know I am freaking out but again she is 100% HIV+

I think i should never use (and never will) same condom for oral and vaginal afterwards

[worriedman34]

Can any body answer using the same condom used for oral for vaginal is a risk??

[jamespinaa]

That isn't a risk at all.  It's actual the safest way to have sex unless your partner has shark teeth. : )

[worriedman34]

thanks for the reply. can you pls explain why it is safest?

[jamespinaa]

Most people don't use condoms at all when engaging in oral sex. You actually did!  It's called latex because it is durable.  You put it on and use it however way you like.  

[MichalW]

she might have had sharp teeth unfortunately having sex  was my only encounter with her. Are you 100% positive it was safe?

[3months]

was her name Jaws?

[MichalW]

it's not funny I had many symptoms and some of them are not realted to nervous breakdown, eg. throat infection in 3rd week when I had no stress as i would never thought of risk of getting HIV at that time

[MichalW]

I'll quit now but could tell me Teak  how much you know about HIV? (honestly, I read your profile but do you consider yourself an expert?)

[LIZZIE LOU]

oh dear Lord!!!!!

move on...this is a hiv forum and you do NOT have a hiv concern.  period!!!

[Frank303]

Michal, I have to say it but your questioning suggest a high degree of anxiety - mutations,
1 Five 9s reliability. After that period of time the majority of people who are going to test (i.e. those with an actual risk) positive will have done so.
2 No. If she used a condom with you then in all probability she is using condoms with everyone else, to protect her own health and income.
3 Not relevant, you didn't have a risk and don't have HIV.
4 I don't think you needed the tests you have had already.
Your symptoms are not indicative in any way of primary HIV infection. Antibiotics do not clear pharyngitis caused by viruses.
Are you allergic or sensitive to Antibiotics? They can cause diahorreah.

Probably best for yourself if you do quit  

[MichalW]

I will comback to this forum with result to tell you if they are negative or posotive (GOD save me)

I am still very scared and I still have these diareahas and
skin changes (little stains on hands that were not there and 2 of them  grown 2.5 X their size within a week (I wathced them closely on daily basis)

fianlly I have somthing looking like cuts on face even though I did not cut myself during shaving or anything I have absolutely no idea where those could come from

GOD save me

[Teak]

Don't bother coming back unless you have a RISK.

[MichalW]

I did talk to the doctor and she did not easy me
this is my point :(

condoms do not provide 100% safety - there are actually risks even when using condoms for both oral and vaginal

I was told that by 3 different doctors!!! the risk is very low but only providing you used condoms CORRECTLY and it's better to use condoms without lubricates (another thing I did not realize)
Sex is an emotional thing and you can never be sure you took all precautions  because you are concerned with other things

I believe people should be more aware of such things and when I will be alright I  will volunteer to rise awareness of such issues among people,  this experience already changed my life

[Teak]

If the condom did not fail and was used consistently they are 100% effective. If a condom fails you would damn well know it. Yours did not fail, so move on.

[MichalW]

one last question for today
I lost lots of weight (went from 75 kg to unsteady 69.9-68.2kg ) what can this be atrributed to?
I had light anorexia in past weeks but now I try to eat normally for over a week and my  weight still stays below 70 can such a big change be a result of anxiety alone??

[MichalW]

I am  tall (6 1/2 feet) and skiny person in general but now I look like skin and bones only

[MichalW]

75kg is 165 lbs and
69kg is 152 lbs

[Teak]

Your anxiety and playing on the computer so much looking up HIV. You did not have a risk and if having sex cause this much upheavial in your life don't have sex or use your hand.

[MichalW]

thx Teak
actually that's what i will be doing for next couple of months and definitelly i Will never put myself to any situation that might have even low risk

[Teak]

If having protected and safe sex as you did cause this much trouble for you then stay home and masturbate. Don't even think of having sex with another person or animal. While you're at it, seek professional mental help with your hangups on protected sex.

[LIZZIE LOU]

if it makes you feel any better...my son (hiv +) and his wife (hiv - ) have PROTECTED sex all the time.  that's the beauty of the condom...it allows you to have sex without getting infected.

as teak stated above...seek help from a professional to work through your fear of sex.