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You see I don ' t think you guys understand. I received oral sex by a prostitue. We used the condom that she had that was not in a manufacturer's wraper. It was in a napkin but new. She bent over in front me when I had my legs open in order for her to stimulate. She touched her legs and who knows what else she touched in her self as I did not see( you can say she touched her vagina and fluids). She turned around grabed the condom and put it on me with her mouth. She gave me oral but I did not last long. I would say two minutes but in reality more like 30 seconds. She took out the condom out with some kleenex. I DID NOT INSPECT THE CONDOM. To see if it had tiny holes or not. Then She sat in bed then got up to get Kleenex to clean my penis. I touched where she was sitting. I felt the vaginal fluids in my hand and fingers. I grabbed a Kleenex, which I did not fold, and put it over my fingers that touched the fluid. I poured rubbing alcohol over fingers. The kleenex was now transparent. I open my urethra and rubbed the inside hard and closed the urethra make the hole air tight. I then clean the rest of the penis head and fore skin. Grabed for skin and put it over my penis head.
Symptoms, 4/5 days later burring urination.
Days after burning urination I got a fever, swollen lymph nodes below ears and swolleness on neck area. Below my arm pit I felt a bump and it hurt. I fell that area a little sore and tender. Altough I seen no visible lymph nodes in my groin area whe I first started getting sick I felt the once in my right groin area pulsate and hurt a little bit sometimes. I also felt some headaches. no rash on chest and back. no mouth sores, I only coughed about twice.

1) what was my risk?
2) did the rubbing alcohol kill HIV.
3) by me putting rubbing alcohol while touching myself inside urethra DID I SIMULTANIOUSLY IRRITATED MY MUCUS MEMBRANE AND MADE THE PATH FOR HIV EASIER?
4) since I got something in me cause of burning urination, doesn't that tell you something happened that hiv got inside me?
5) I been through a flu, cold, and sinus, last year. What I have been going through was not those thing I can tell the difference. I had swollen nodes as described above with fever.  

A lot of people talk about friction is required to transmit the HIV, I think I did that here, plus I closed my penis hole after that. What do you guys think?  
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The only answer is. YOU NEVER HAD AN EXPOSURE.
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I consider you an educator and an expert in this subject matter. I promise you I will not turn into a follow up questions.
But my situation seems different then the responses given to people were involved in frottage or mutual masturbation. I practically and literally had vaginal fluids/ cervix fluids rubbed inside peehole while membrane and was irritated by rubbing alcohol and then closed. It seems that it is more analogues to insertive sex or inoculation. In additin, the symptoms that I have felt fall with the time frame of ars and are classical symptoms.

1) what do you think?
2) as an odd ball question could the rubbing alcohol have mixed with vaginal fluids and soaked into the inside of pee hole Or gone inside further in my pipe and infected that way?
3) would it have made a diff if I had an untreated STD, like herpes / chlamidia make a diff in my situation?
4) since I probably got something, cause if burring urination, doesn't that tell yousomething went wrong for HIV exposure?

I would really I apreciate your response and assessment.  
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You don't have an HIV concern. You did not have unprotected penetrative sex.
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You are correct I did not have vaginal or anal sex at all with this prostitute. Just oral that she touched the condom as described above, I.e. Unknow if condom was deteriorated or had tiny holes for oral or if she had fluids when she touched the inside of condom. But my concern was the rubbing of the inside of urethra with the one layer of kleenex that had alcohol. If the fluids passed through Kleenex and if inside was irritated by alcohol it would have give easier acces for transmission. Or if alcohol carried the HIV inside me trough the pipe or deeper inside the urethra. Plus I was trying to keep from getting sick and I got the classical ars symptoms in the right timeframe. Fever, nonpainful lymph nodes, sone headaches, and slight diareah. And I know I had untreated STD, and I am thinking I had cd4 / white bloods cells that HIV would have attached to.
I consider you the top expert in this forum. Am I at risk?
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If the condom had any deterioration or if it had any defects it would have broke with very little use. In addition HIV like all viruses is very weak and can not live long outside of its host. As to your symptoms, everything you described could be caused by anxiety. Stress causes the release of adrenaline and other chemicals in the body that with continued exposure/buildup can effect and interfere with the body's systems . This can cause diarrhea, sore throat, and other flu like symptoms. Swollen lymph nodes can be caused by the same thing. Listen to Teak, he knows what he is talking about.
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TEAK YOU FORGOT TOBREAD THIS:
You are correct I did not have vaginal or anal sex at all with this prostitute. Just oral that she touched the condom as described above, I.e. Unknow if condom was deteriorated or had tiny holes for oral or if she had fluids when she touched the inside of condom. But my concern was the rubbing of the inside of urethra with the one layer of kleenex that had alcohol. If the fluids passed through Kleenex and if inside was irritated by alcohol it would have give easier acces for transmission. Or if alcohol carried the HIV inside me trough the pipe or deeper inside the urethra. Plus I was trying to keep from getting sick and I got the classical ars symptoms in the right timeframe. Fever, nonpainful lymph nodes, sone headaches, and slight diareah. And I know I had untreated STD, and I am thinking I had cd4 / white bloods cells that HIV would have attached to.
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within a couple of days, my testicles hurted and I had burning urination. If I got an STD/uti on me then something must have gone wrong, then why not HIV.
My symptoms, besides the STD/uti symptoms are sharp headaches, sometimes lingering headaches, by the 5/6 day I had somewhat a fever develop, I could definitely feelnthe lymph nodes shake including the right side of groin by the inner thigh. 9th day (2nd week into it) same fever, my neck and upper back were really stiff. On the 13/14th day my i really felt nodes right under my ears swell, but I am sure they were somewhat swollen after the 6 th day it just that I did not pay close attention bavk then. 18th day the swelling started to subside and I did not find a fever. But I still had a little swelling under one ear and more under the other one.  One day went good, then I my nodes swelled under my ears. To me this means that the firstvtime I was getting something was ARS. Now it is something else. Plus when I had ars I had some pain down my left side rib. Cage and a skull lump below my arm pit area. Plus diareah sometimes.
Today in the morning I saw my urine in the toilet, the top had a layer of tiny whit particles, I believe those are white blood cells, plus the fact that I felt those testicle pain burring urination, and subsequent classical ars symptoms tells youbsomething. Those alleged ars type symptoms did not drop me, I had the flu, flu, and sinus, before. This was different but it was weak in comparison.
I was a bad boy before and When I came out ok I promised I was not going to do it again. I broke my promise and the above is evidence that I got an infection and I don't like what it points to.    
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What part don't you understand? You never at any time had a risk of contracting HIV.
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I think that you are the most knowledgeable of top contributors in this forum. However, one quote that I see is the following:

HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

It seems like everybody is following the leader, but has anybody really sought about it or questioned it or verified it?

The condition in logic in the above sentence is that hiv is unable to reproduce outside it's living host, but what if HIV does not want to reproduce outside its host and waits until it is inside another host to reproduce. OR how long does it take for it not to longer reproduce outside it's host.

I guess I am just worried because I believe my case is different than mutual masturbation or frottage, I literally open my penis hole and inserted vaginal/cervix fluids in there. In essence inoculating my self withbthe virus, plus the fact that I had alcohol could have irritated my mucus membrane making infection easier.  the fact that I had classical type ars symptoms, and an issue with preexisting and confection of an STD has me worried. Plus the fact that the rubbing alcohol fluid mixed with vaginal fluid  could have flowed down the penis tube to infect me ( I remember feeling a shock to my testicle when I left the place).
I remember a while back I got a chlamydia even though I used a condom with a pro, I am afraid this time my luck has ran out and it is STD plus HIV. I am afraid I will be one of those rare case. I am sorry teak. You are the most knowledgeable, I just want to give you all the complete facts before your assessment. Please read my whole story what is youbassesment.  
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I am really sorry. I did not mean run into trouble. I read the warning you just posted. I take it that your assessment is still no risk. Even if she was in a high viral load?  I am sorry it is just that there are so many stories on the Internet. So what about high viral load? It is just my symptoms were weird swollen nodes, and so there was no mucus I ruled out a cold, sinus, flu and I think infection and HIV. Last question did I have any risk?
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MOVE ON.
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In addition to the above, I just notice a some small black dots in upper back.
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enough is enough ! !

you've been told repeatedly that you never had a risk.  any "symptoms" that you are having are NOT hiv related.

if you are having health concerns...work with your dr.  it has NOTHING to do with hiv.

kindly move on...
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