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Deep kissed an unknown girl & got oral herpes outbreak shortly after. Between 2 & 3 weeks after exposure got, sore throat, pus filled gums making difficult to eat & chest rash(which lasted for a week). Do you think this is an HIV situaton?
Thanks for the response. I did not get the Oral lesion cultured as I was away from humanity but the doctor said it was herpes when I talked to him upon returning. I wanted to ask if simultaneous acquasition of herpes increase hiv risk. I mean does a person need to have open cold sore before the event for hiv to make space into the skin break or simultaneous infection can occur.
This part is confusion because from what I have read on the forum, the hiv virus becomes ineffective outside the body. So, if a person gets both herpes and hiv virus rubbed onto the lips while kissing, the chance of hiv infection will completely depend upon how soon the herpes drill into the skin and create an opening.
It will be great if you can out your thoughts on this.
OK. but, why am I getting very bad sore throat and chest rashes 3 weeks after the episode. Do you think I should go to dentist and get my oral health checked. I do have a bad case of wisdom tooth which might cause doorway for infecion (infection).
Also, do you think my oral lesion could be from the genital type herpes which might increase my HIV chances. I mean it is good if the oral breakout was from oral type only but maybe a cause of worry if oral breakout was from genital type.
I guess too early to get the test done for typecasting lip herpes. So, what you suggest my friend.
You have no risk for HIV, and unfortunately, there may not always be something to "see" as far as herpes goes. You can still get herpes from someone if you don't see any visible lesions.
Post your questions about herpes in our herpes forums. There are things you need to know, and there are very clear differences between oral and genital herpes (HSV I and HSV II). They will be able to break it all down for you!
OK. I will take it to Herpes forum. Thanks. But, my main concern is HIV. Are you sure that this is not an HIV situation even looking at the sympoms I have mentioned in first post. they are pretty copybook.
Anyways, thanks for your time and help. Will keep fingers crossed. Damn, I do not have good oral health as well...
1. Correct me if I am wrong: Is it right to assume that if I am not bleeding actively during kissing, I do not have any risk of hiv infection from kissing.
I mean even if I have inflamed, swollen and reddish gums on tooth edges but nno active bleeding going on from there.
2. Also, I need to confirm 1 more thing which I think might sound stupid. I have read in the past as well that saliva de-activated hiv virus. I have read that it is better to either ingest or spit out someone else's fluids to reduce chance of infection. So, based on this knowledge, after kissing, I created an air tunnel to suck and collect all the saliva in my mouth and gulped it in. This, without, realizing that I have a bad wisdom tooth. Does, this by any chance, increase my risk.
I am sure you all have good knowledge about transmission and thanks for answering me. Had it not been the symproms(sore throat, rash on chest & fever) in appropriate timeline which Dr. Cummings specifically point to ARS, I would have been least bothered. Do you guys really feel I should forget about it. Are you advising me specifically for my risk or you are generalizing all kissing concerns and posting same answers for all of them.
I always thought kissing was a safe activity. Now, I just hope that I am not the unluckiest person to get hiv by kissing due to my poor oral health, lose gums and wisdom tooth which migh lead to being doorway for hiv virus to seep in if the girl's saliva was blood tainted.
Looking forward to your knowledgable replies. I just want to get my head straightened out so please bear with my not so intelligent questions. I am not a fast learner.
acquiring oral herpes from her has nothing to do with hiv.
"Kissing is no risk, even deep ("French") kissing and even with a person who sores on their mouth or has gum or dental disease." DR HOOK
"Of course no risk. HIV is not transmitted by kissing, even with sores in the mouth.
Despite the billions of kissing events in the AIDS era, not one case of HIV has been known to be transmitted that way, even though millions of those kisses undoubtedly were with cuts in the mouth or on the lips."
if you are having health concerns, see your dr...its not hiv related.
i would have gone and gotten the herpes cultured to see if it was hsv 1 or hsv 2 on my lips. But, is it alright to assume that even if it was hsv 2 that I acquired from kissing, still it will pose no risk for hiv.
Also, I was drinking beer and beer makes mouth dry causing less saliva. even in that case, there is no risk.
Can you please answer these question. I guess after these answwers I can consider all my bases covered. Just worried about sore throat, fever and difficulty eating due to pus under wisdom tooth. Need to get that extraxted.
Thanks for all your help folks. Please answer the above quesries to sort it out for me. No more from my side..
Thaks for your kind words. I have been checking doctors response on this website. Pretty much all the responses match up. However, I came across this link. Could you please comment on this. I guess this is also a doctor's response in medhelp:
Thanks for helping people out on this forum. I understand that you ar positive and living a responsible life while trying to educate people at the same time about the disease. That indeed is applaudable.
I get it that your answers are genric and maybe its futile to look for specific answers in a world of too many variables. But, I can't seem to fathom how(even though a minute risk) can be called a no-risk no discussion issue.
Are we not encouraging kissing as a safe practice (which it is in 99% of the cases) having no HIV risk attached to it when in fact it might not be as none of us are in a position to monitor the oral health of the kisser and kissee which might play a big role in causing infection.
Can I say that kissing should be aboided is person has oral health issues. And, if oral issues exist, it almost becomes a lottery like event for the unlucky one.
Please teach me, I am uneducated on this subject but I am getting a feeling that kissing can lead to blood transfusion like scenario and cause infection. i.e if a spec of foreign bloood goes and settles on top of the wound in mouth even though the wound might not be actively bleeding.
Please do not warn me. I know you guys have gice plenty assurance but does anyone have scientific know how to disqualify this mode of transmission and if so, why??
Can I be suggested a teaching forum. Any prevention forum is presumed to be spreading knowledge based on established scientific principles which is not really happning here (other than the saliva explanation) which even a kid will state after reading this forum.
In this case, all I can do is say thank you and move on to other ways to find answers for myself. I always thought that kissing is no risk based on few reputed forums like aidsmeds and medhelp.
Had I taken the "no scientific or basic discussion" based answers(other than the saliva explanation) with a grain of salt earlier and not believed in it blindfoldedly, I would not have found myself in the position I am in today. I am sorry but by doing assessment without providing enough reasons for your assessment is almost doing a dis-service to folks. For all you know, a person with complete meth mouth may start thinking that there is no risk in kissing someone who is HIV positive and have few sors in their mouth based on your assessments.
I presume that you understand that basic human need to know "WHY's" to establish cerainity. I just wish there were somebody who could provide knowlege and details on hiv related questions.
What worries me more is that even the docs have sometime taken blood in mouth question rather seriously when it is from known positive. However, the prevention community forum, completely discounts this situation as welll.
Guys, maybe I am out of line here but I do not think it is wrong or insulting to question. At least, that's how I have been brought up. Its a different thing if you can not answer my question based on liited skills and knowledge that you possess but do not reprimand me for asking.
Today, with my symproms, I felt that I have been unknowingly fooled by the genric answers that kissing carries no risk. The whole process of kissing just has too many variales to discount it so lightly. So, please, I request you to modify your line of thought and verbose in providing answers for such questions. I, along with many other folks are too stupid and start taking these sentences literally when they are really not meant to be.
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