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HIV outside of body and blood transfusion
I am just asking this out of curiosity and wondering if anyone knows the answer.
I have read on this site that HIV does not survive outside of the body and that even if you were to come in contact with infected blood on an environmental surface, you would not become infected. But if that is the case, how come infected blood transfusions will result in infection 90% of the time? Blood transfusions are usually stored outside of the body for days at less them optimal growth temperatures and conditions. Why do they remain so infectious?
If anyone knows the answer I would greatly appreciate it.
I have read on this site that HIV does not survive outside of the body and that even if you were to come in contact with infected blood on an environmental surface, you would not become infected. But if that is the case, how come infected blood transfusions will result in infection 90% of the time? Blood transfusions are usually stored outside of the body for days at less them optimal growth temperatures and conditions. Why do they remain so infectious?
If anyone knows the answer I would greatly appreciate it.
tEAK IT'S OKAY TOO GAVE BLOOD AT 12 MONTHS FROM MALE raped . cause I have talked to blood bank and fda and he said it's 12 months defferr, long you are not having sex with men. I had too stop with redcross of raped I was at 3 month mark was neg . they said maybe other place will let you . I try hosp no and some blood banks will let people who been raped by same sex can gave blood but they have too wait 12 months from exposer . thanks peace
You didn't make me look bad at all. All you are doing is making yourself look bad. I don't expect anymore out of kid than what you are showing. At least when you contract HIV, you can use your ignorance as an excuse.
oh brother.....ok ok you got me........not sure how I will survive such a childish troll.......did you stay up all night to think of that one? Wow good for you. But, Is that all you can come up with after I made you look so bad? COme on man, you can do better.
For those reading:
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/HIVSupport/messages/3173.html
POST C13
Teak says bath houses are ok....again (C13)
Then read these:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11527785&dopt=Abstract
At the end of this one it says exactly what i have been in that resources should be focused on these places as they are the HIGHEST risk for hiv transmission.
This one indicates how men who frequent these places infect women, just as I have been saying.
To pretend to want to prevent just one infection, then endorse the highest risk behavior is wrongg and hypocritical.
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/HIVSupport/messages/3173.html
POST C13
Teak says bath houses are ok....again (C13)
Then read these:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11527785&dopt=Abstract
At the end of this one it says exactly what i have been in that resources should be focused on these places as they are the HIGHEST risk for hiv transmission.
This one indicates how men who frequent these places infect women, just as I have been saying.
To pretend to want to prevent just one infection, then endorse the highest risk behavior is wrongg and hypocritical.
Ok, I get it now. I didn't think you were childish enough to troll like you are obviously doing but I guess I was wrong.
Go read dumbo, rare? You call over 11,000 woman being infected in 2005 rare? Give us a break. Since the beginning of HIV documentation - 2005 85,844 women with AIDS died. The only thing I'm glad about, is people like you are rare.
There you go again dumbo. I never denied that unprotected MSM sex was not less than heterosexual contact. You say, heterosexual contact is rare and it's not rare at all. If you would read instead of cut and paste you would have read that women make up one quarter of all new cases of HIV in the US each year.
In 2005, 44,198 AIDS diagnoses in the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 11,710 (26%) were for women. From the beginning of the epidemic (1981) through 2005, women accounted for 182,822 diagnoses, a number that represents 19% of the 956,666 AIDS diagnoses in the 50 states and the District of Columbia during this period. From the beginning of the epidemic through 2005, an estimated 85,844 women with AIDS died, accounting for 16% of the 530,756 persons with AIDS who died in the 50 states and the District of Columbia].
Women with AIDS made up an increasing part of the epidemic. In 1992, women accounted for an estimated 14% of adults and adolescents living with AIDS in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. By the end of 2005, this proportion had grown to 23%.
Data from the 2005 census show that together, black and Hispanic women represent 24% of all US women. However, women in these 2 groups accounted for 82% (9,641/11,710) of the estimated total of AIDS diagnoses for women in 2005.
These numbers aren't from Africa, they are from the US. Now for you to keep saying it's rare is asinine.
In 2005, 44,198 AIDS diagnoses in the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 11,710 (26%) were for women. From the beginning of the epidemic (1981) through 2005, women accounted for 182,822 diagnoses, a number that represents 19% of the 956,666 AIDS diagnoses in the 50 states and the District of Columbia during this period. From the beginning of the epidemic through 2005, an estimated 85,844 women with AIDS died, accounting for 16% of the 530,756 persons with AIDS who died in the 50 states and the District of Columbia].
Women with AIDS made up an increasing part of the epidemic. In 1992, women accounted for an estimated 14% of adults and adolescents living with AIDS in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. By the end of 2005, this proportion had grown to 23%.
Data from the 2005 census show that together, black and Hispanic women represent 24% of all US women. However, women in these 2 groups accounted for 82% (9,641/11,710) of the estimated total of AIDS diagnoses for women in 2005.
These numbers aren't from Africa, they are from the US. Now for you to keep saying it's rare is asinine.
There I go again?? LMFAO.....you need to learn to read instead of only seeing what you want to see. You continually leave out the part where I say "FEMALE TO MALE IS EXTREMELY RARE".
Again for the 3RD time in this thread alone:
"I quote" I have never ever once said female to male does not happen, but it is extremely extremely rare"
And AGAIN:
""It's not a rare happening. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. "
I never disputed this. Show me where I did Teak. Prove it. Do it now"
Please read this one more time: I SAID FEMALE TO MALE TRANSMISSION IS EXTREMELY RARE. NEVER ONCE DID I SAY IT IS RARE FOR A WOMAN TO GET HIV FROM HETEROSEXUAL EXPOSURE. I HAVE ALSO CLARIFIED WHY (MANY MANY MANY TIMES WHICH YOU REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OR BACKUP YOUR CLAIMS) WOMEN ARE UNFORTUNATELY BEING INFECTED MORE AND MORE. FOR EXACTLY THESE REASONS....REFUSAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE REAL HIGH RISK AREAS WHICH RESULTS IN RESOURCES BEING ALLOCATED TO THE WRONG FOCUS POINTS.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/pdf/women.pdf
I feel very sorry for women, I really do. Attitudes like yours will help continue to raise infection rates in women. Being ok with bath houses, where many married men go for random hookups (as long as they are using condoms as you say), is ridiculous. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOMOPHOBIA, ANTI GAY...NOTHING!! HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH PROMOTING HIGH RISK BEHAVIORS!!
You know full well this is not the case.......not a shot at gay/bi men, just simple fact that you know is 100% true that condoms are not used ALL the time (if at all) and drugs/alcohol are used consistently. A bath house is a facility that promotes random hookups with people you do not know, plain and simple. To be "ok with bath houses" is, well, sickening really. A man having anonymous sex with another man in a bath house is completely different than 2 men having sex who care for each other and are in a committed relationship.
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/HIVSupport/messages/3141.html
See post C11,
Teak's response to bath houses.
To be ok with bath houses is the same as saying to a drug addict that it is ok to use crack houses/shooting galleries as long as you use your own needles. DOES NOT HAPPEN!!!!
So, you go ahead and keep "cutting and pasting" Teak. It's obviously ok for you, the forum HIV "expert", to be hypocritical while nobody else can do the same.
Again for the 3RD time in this thread alone:
"I quote" I have never ever once said female to male does not happen, but it is extremely extremely rare"
And AGAIN:
""It's not a rare happening. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. "
I never disputed this. Show me where I did Teak. Prove it. Do it now"
Please read this one more time: I SAID FEMALE TO MALE TRANSMISSION IS EXTREMELY RARE. NEVER ONCE DID I SAY IT IS RARE FOR A WOMAN TO GET HIV FROM HETEROSEXUAL EXPOSURE. I HAVE ALSO CLARIFIED WHY (MANY MANY MANY TIMES WHICH YOU REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OR BACKUP YOUR CLAIMS) WOMEN ARE UNFORTUNATELY BEING INFECTED MORE AND MORE. FOR EXACTLY THESE REASONS....REFUSAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE REAL HIGH RISK AREAS WHICH RESULTS IN RESOURCES BEING ALLOCATED TO THE WRONG FOCUS POINTS.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/pdf/women.pdf
I feel very sorry for women, I really do. Attitudes like yours will help continue to raise infection rates in women. Being ok with bath houses, where many married men go for random hookups (as long as they are using condoms as you say), is ridiculous. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOMOPHOBIA, ANTI GAY...NOTHING!! HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH PROMOTING HIGH RISK BEHAVIORS!!
You know full well this is not the case.......not a shot at gay/bi men, just simple fact that you know is 100% true that condoms are not used ALL the time (if at all) and drugs/alcohol are used consistently. A bath house is a facility that promotes random hookups with people you do not know, plain and simple. To be "ok with bath houses" is, well, sickening really. A man having anonymous sex with another man in a bath house is completely different than 2 men having sex who care for each other and are in a committed relationship.
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/HIVSupport/messages/3141.html
See post C11,
Teak's response to bath houses.
To be ok with bath houses is the same as saying to a drug addict that it is ok to use crack houses/shooting galleries as long as you use your own needles. DOES NOT HAPPEN!!!!
So, you go ahead and keep "cutting and pasting" Teak. It's obviously ok for you, the forum HIV "expert", to be hypocritical while nobody else can do the same.
When will you learn to read? Note where I said" FEMALE TO MALE....interesting you missed that part in your informative reply Teak.
I quote" I have never ever once said female to male does not happen, but it is extremely extremely rare"
In order to try to deflect and make me look bad::
"It's not a rare happening. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. "
I never disputed this. Show me where I did Teak. Prove it. Do it now.
How many times do I have to backup what I say yet you sit there like a coward and simply spew meaningless garbage without any proof?
You are the biggest hypocrite I have ever come across on any forum. You spew how important it is for you to "save just one life" but yet say bath houses are ok, knowing full well bath houses are a major cause of hiv infection among the MSM category. How much more hypocritical can you get? I will list more hypocritical statements for you if you want. I will at least show you that courtesy since you always want people to do it for you but yet you never return the gesture.
Refusal to admit where the real risks are (i.e patterns of behaviour/bath houses, men having sex with men then infecting their unsuspecting wives....see PDF for documentation of this fact) which prohibits resources from being allocated properly, is the major reason HIV continues to spread, and especially among the MSM category and attributes greatly to the rise of infections among women, unfortunately. Essentially, you are killing each other because of this refusal to admit the truth and address the real problems. The real risks are not among the strictly heterosexual population.
Re-read the post (one of many) about why HIV has spread so fast in Africa and also how it is now stabilizing, the same way the US did in the beginning. 40000 infections in the US /year is not much in a population of 300MM. Again,Cancer kicks a** on this statistical #.
(Disclaimer: I have never said do not use condoms, I have also never said a male cannot get hiv from a woman, but it is rare. I have also only used North American stats published by the CDC, NOT odds, to show just how prevalent HIV is and how totally preventable it is if the MSM category would quit it's denial. Many lives would be saved.)
I quote" I have never ever once said female to male does not happen, but it is extremely extremely rare"
In order to try to deflect and make me look bad::
"It's not a rare happening. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. "
I never disputed this. Show me where I did Teak. Prove it. Do it now.
How many times do I have to backup what I say yet you sit there like a coward and simply spew meaningless garbage without any proof?
You are the biggest hypocrite I have ever come across on any forum. You spew how important it is for you to "save just one life" but yet say bath houses are ok, knowing full well bath houses are a major cause of hiv infection among the MSM category. How much more hypocritical can you get? I will list more hypocritical statements for you if you want. I will at least show you that courtesy since you always want people to do it for you but yet you never return the gesture.
Refusal to admit where the real risks are (i.e patterns of behaviour/bath houses, men having sex with men then infecting their unsuspecting wives....see PDF for documentation of this fact) which prohibits resources from being allocated properly, is the major reason HIV continues to spread, and especially among the MSM category and attributes greatly to the rise of infections among women, unfortunately. Essentially, you are killing each other because of this refusal to admit the truth and address the real problems. The real risks are not among the strictly heterosexual population.
Re-read the post (one of many) about why HIV has spread so fast in Africa and also how it is now stabilizing, the same way the US did in the beginning. 40000 infections in the US /year is not much in a population of 300MM. Again,Cancer kicks a** on this statistical #.
(Disclaimer: I have never said do not use condoms, I have also never said a male cannot get hiv from a woman, but it is rare. I have also only used North American stats published by the CDC, NOT odds, to show just how prevalent HIV is and how totally preventable it is if the MSM category would quit it's denial. Many lives would be saved.)
You were correct in your statement above, Hetrosexual transmission in the US is on the rise. It's not a rare happening. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. Those that say it is rare have no idea what they are talking about.
You need to read this:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/pdf/women.pdf
instead of just simply repeating what the fear mongerers tell you.
Africa is a TOTALLY different ballgame as Monkeyflower points out.
Hetero infections in North America are rising but for reasons as stated in the pdf I have given you published by the CDC and also confirmed many times by Dr. H Hunter Handsfield.
If you read, you will see most of the "hetero" infections are women who are the partner of hiv infected males, knowingly or not.
Read before you simply jump on the old (getting very old) bandwagon.
I have never ever once said female to male does not happen, but it is extremely extremely rare. Detailed Investigations are started when a male supposedly aquires HIV from vaginal exposure only.
Again, drop out Africa,and you will see the real truth. All one has to do is get statistical reports (surveillance data) and you can see for yourself.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/pdf/women.pdf
instead of just simply repeating what the fear mongerers tell you.
Africa is a TOTALLY different ballgame as Monkeyflower points out.
Hetero infections in North America are rising but for reasons as stated in the pdf I have given you published by the CDC and also confirmed many times by Dr. H Hunter Handsfield.
If you read, you will see most of the "hetero" infections are women who are the partner of hiv infected males, knowingly or not.
Read before you simply jump on the old (getting very old) bandwagon.
I have never ever once said female to male does not happen, but it is extremely extremely rare. Detailed Investigations are started when a male supposedly aquires HIV from vaginal exposure only.
Again, drop out Africa,and you will see the real truth. All one has to do is get statistical reports (surveillance data) and you can see for yourself.
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Africa/AIDS.asp
Their government in parts of Africa to this day does not believe HIV causes AIDS.
Their government in parts of Africa to this day does not believe HIV causes AIDS.
I have to step in here and say that there are a number of key reasons why heterosexual transmission dominates Africa and other poor countries.
In Africa, there's an old cultural belief that virgins (both male and female) can cure HIV, so you have HIV positive guys raping babies and young children. The resulting trauma makes contracting HIV all that much more likely. That's related to the belief that dry sex can also cure HIV (partly why virgins are the 'cure'--young children do not have that kind of natural lubrication) and is the "right" way to have sex, so the women are completely dry. More trauma. Add in the fact that HIV is highly stigmatized and condoms are generally unavailable--and when available, not used--and people are *poor*, and can't afford good medical care. Then there's the fact that most men are uncircumcised... even though I'm strongly opposed to routine circumcision, it does seem to make a difference in this case.
Check out this article if you're interested. I only briefly skimmed it, but it seems to answer the question of why heterosexual transmission is the most common form of transmission in poor countries: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/324/7331/207
In Africa, there's an old cultural belief that virgins (both male and female) can cure HIV, so you have HIV positive guys raping babies and young children. The resulting trauma makes contracting HIV all that much more likely. That's related to the belief that dry sex can also cure HIV (partly why virgins are the 'cure'--young children do not have that kind of natural lubrication) and is the "right" way to have sex, so the women are completely dry. More trauma. Add in the fact that HIV is highly stigmatized and condoms are generally unavailable--and when available, not used--and people are *poor*, and can't afford good medical care. Then there's the fact that most men are uncircumcised... even though I'm strongly opposed to routine circumcision, it does seem to make a difference in this case.
Check out this article if you're interested. I only briefly skimmed it, but it seems to answer the question of why heterosexual transmission is the most common form of transmission in poor countries: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/324/7331/207
"Heterosexual transmission is the #1 route of transmission worldwide and it's a shame when people refuse to acknowledge this and only increase transmission this way"
*sigh*.....so sad to see how many people fall for this deflection tactic.
Drop out Africa, and your statement becomes invalid.
Monkeyflower is right, this forum is perfect for teak to perpetuate his fear agenda. Surprisingly, it works among the majority it seems.
I still don't get why people would even pay $15 for the Dr. only to come in here later to completely disagree with him.
*sigh*.....so sad to see how many people fall for this deflection tactic.
Drop out Africa, and your statement becomes invalid.
Monkeyflower is right, this forum is perfect for teak to perpetuate his fear agenda. Surprisingly, it works among the majority it seems.
I still don't get why people would even pay $15 for the Dr. only to come in here later to completely disagree with him.
first of all, thank you for acknowledging that in africa, heterosexual transmission IS the main route of transmission - that means that i can and does happen - male to female AND female to male! second of all, while you are correct that it is not the main route of transmission in the US, it is the fastest growing route of transmission and a lot of that can be attributed to the fact that people do not think they can get it that way! it is irresponsible to be telling people that they cannot be infected that way, as this will only lead more people to become infected.
It's quite alright. I am sorry you have to deal with such ignorance. Heterosexual transmission is the #1 route of transmission worldwide and it's a shame when people refuse to acknowledge this and only increase transmission this way. Keep up the good work!
I want to apologize to you for hijacking your thread. It's that this in an unmoderated forum and once in awhile there are people like dumbo that post that doesn't have a clue about HIV and its transmission.
No, I don't agree with it. Not all people that are gay have HIV/AIDS. The screening processes that we have today, makes the law (policy) outdated. That's why the blood banks are considering to lift the ban. You should do more reading dumbo.
using blood for yourself is different than using it among thepopulation. Nice try though.
If you were to read on it says nothing about heterosexual contact.
"HIV, AIDS
You should not give blood if you have AIDS or have ever had a positive HIV test, or if you have done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV.
http://www.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html#hiv
You are at risk for getting infected if you:
have ever used needles to take drugs, steroids, or anything not prescribed by your doctor
are a male who has had sexual contact with another male, even once, since 1977
have ever taken money, drugs or other payment for sex since 1977
have had sexual contact in the past 12 months with anyone described above
received clotting factor concentrates for a bleeding disorder such as hemophilia
were born in, or lived in, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Equatorial Guinea,Gabon, Niger, or Nigeria, since 1977.
since 1977, received a blood transfusion or medical treatment with a blood product in any of these countries, or
had sex with anyone who, since 1977, was born in or lived in any of these countries. Learn more about HIV Group O, and the specific African countries where it is found. "
If you were to read on it says nothing about heterosexual contact.
"HIV, AIDS
You should not give blood if you have AIDS or have ever had a positive HIV test, or if you have done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV.
http://www.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html#hiv
You are at risk for getting infected if you:
have ever used needles to take drugs, steroids, or anything not prescribed by your doctor
are a male who has had sexual contact with another male, even once, since 1977
have ever taken money, drugs or other payment for sex since 1977
have had sexual contact in the past 12 months with anyone described above
received clotting factor concentrates for a bleeding disorder such as hemophilia
were born in, or lived in, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Equatorial Guinea,Gabon, Niger, or Nigeria, since 1977.
since 1977, received a blood transfusion or medical treatment with a blood product in any of these countries, or
had sex with anyone who, since 1977, was born in or lived in any of these countries. Learn more about HIV Group O, and the specific African countries where it is found. "
On his gay agenda again. See the list of those that can not donate blood on the Red Cross website. Yes gay people can donate for their own use.
The blood supply is very safe and has been for years. One of the many reasons is, it is illegal for gay men to donate blood so that's what helped make the blood supply much safer as they are the highest risk category and have the highest rates of infection .......(see any single hiv statistical report from anywhere in North America to confirm) so they do not want to leave anything to chance even if the gay community is very small overall on a population basis. Why chance even 1 unsuspecting persons life just to make a special interest group happy right? Not sure if there is a law for people who have shared needles, but if so then they should be prevented from donating too obviously.
I am sure even Teak will agree with all of this since he is so hyper conservative too. I mean his ultimate goal (so he says) is to help prevent hiv transmission, even if he helps prevent transmission in just ONE person (as he himself says) he will be happy. So, unless his ego or double standard gets in the way, then I am sure he will agree with this law.
I am sure even Teak will agree with all of this since he is so hyper conservative too. I mean his ultimate goal (so he says) is to help prevent hiv transmission, even if he helps prevent transmission in just ONE person (as he himself says) he will be happy. So, unless his ego or double standard gets in the way, then I am sure he will agree with this law.
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