HIV risks

[tksmokn]

I want to know risks associated with HIV for un protected oral sex,fingering and handjob.

[bau_male]

I was not referring to your comments which I believe are correct and in line with latest studies. I meant on CDC and other publications where it is stated that oral is small risk and kissing is not. That simply doesn't make sense from logic point of view.  I know that you don’t care about “ultra conservative” publications without scientific confirmation but I just wanted to point that out.

[Teak]

You are saying oral is a risk and we've stated over and over oral isn't a risk receiving or giving.

[bau_male]

Great answers with arguments to good and reasonable questions from Alaska.

Just one logical thing (I didn't read all those studies but this came to my mind): everybody is saying that kissing is not risk but oral sex is.  However, enzyms which inhbit virus during kissing are present in salvia during oral sex as well (I'm talking about receiving oral sex). So, from common sense point of view, it doesn't make sense that receiving oral sex is risk and kissing is not.

[Alaska1980]

Neither I, nor tksmokn, nor any of the other "thousands" were sure about this issue, and thus asked the question. That is what this forum is for. Hence "MedHELP". And yes, I searched the issue before posting and I am sure others did as well... all the same, thank you for answering our questions.

[Teak]

This question has been answered over a thousand times on this forum.

[Alaska1980]

Excellent, thank you. Hopefully this thread will help others who had the same questions and/or misconceptions that I did.

[LIZZIE LOU]

FURTHER FACTS REGARDING ORAL SEX

http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/88524?personal_page_id=434

after you read about oral sex...read this:

"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex.  Please educate yourself about the real risks.  If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. "   DR HANSFIELD

then this:

"I am sure you can find lots of people who belive that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..."   DR HOOK

[Teak]

by Edward W Hook, MD  , Dec 11, 2009 10:08PM
No to both questions.  Herpes is not present in saliva.  Herpes is spread by direct contact.

The quoted figure for HIV risk, if one has oral sex with an infected partner is less than 1 in 10,000 and, in my estimation that is too high. Some experts state there is no risk at all from oral sex.  Neither of us on this site have ever seen or reading the medical literature of a convincing instance in which HIV was passed by oral sex,even if you have blisters or sores.  EWH

[Alaska1980]

Just to be clear. You are saying, there is no risk of HIV transmission if you give a blow job to someone who has a primary syphilitic chancre on their penis?

[Teak]

That is UNTREATED. Not at the same time one is exposed. Oral sex is not a risk. You should do more studying before posting.

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/9119DA7D-74C3-4E96-B2B2-75EC08394FD8.asp   US study

In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not led to any cases of HIV transmission.3 The study also looked at contributing factors that could affect the potential transmission of HIV through oral sex.

DEL ROMERO et al. (2002) Evaluating the risk of HIV transmission through unprotected orogenital sex. AIDS, Vol.16, p. 1296 - 1297.

[Alaska1980]

Very well.

Fact: Odds of being infected w/ hiv while performing oral sex on partner who is infected with HIV = 1 in 10,000. (per Dr. HHH)
Fact: Coinfection with other STDs can increase risk of transmission of HIV by up to 2 - 5 times. (Per CDC, San Francisco AIDS foundation)
Fact: One can never be certain whether or not one's partner is coinfected w/ HIV and another std. (given)
Conclusion: If the partner has HIV, risk of oral sex in relation to HIV infection ranges from 1 in 2000 to 1 in 10,000 for this single occurance. Therefore, chance of infection is low, but certainly not zero.

[Alaska1980]

This is not correct, in my opinion. There is some risk, which is miniscule in most circumstances. Doctors on this site say that the risk of transmission via giving oral is 1 in 10,000. However, presence of an std can increase risk. For example, the presence of a primary syphilis chancre can increase risk of transmission 2 - 5 times. In the worst case, presence of syphilis would increase the odds to 1/.0005 = 1 in 2000. While this is still low, it is similar to odds of transmission from unprotected vaginal sex... so it is not "zero risk." Also, infection w/ gonorrhea in the penis can potentially increase the amount of virus (white blood cells) in pre-ejaculate, thus also increasing likelihood of transmission. Other factors include cuts in the givers mouth, stds in the givers mouth.

So... assuming there were no co-infections, then the odds are practically speaking too low to be worried about. However, you don't really ever know if there is no co-infection, so you should view the risk of transmission via oral sex as the same risk as having unprotected vaginal sex with a stranger who may or may not have HIV.

Teak, Vance, et. al, please debate and explain why I might be wrong. Your input and experience is appreciated. I should write a disclaimer now saying that I am not an expert and the information and arguments I have put forth have been gathered from transcripts of medical conferences and CDC literature.

[Vance2335]

Zero risk.