Hope Teak or Worried826 would answer my case -Precum and Oral sex

[emliv]

First of all, I would like to say 'thank you' for people (especially Teak, Worrid826, and Mike_no) who have given advices and alleviated the anxiety that worries people like me. Thank you so much.

I've read almost 90% of all the answers and advices about the correlation between the precum and HIV infection.
The more the exposure to infected semen, blood, and precum, the greater the chance to infection.

But it seems every single case exposes to different likelihood of infection. So, I would like to find out what you
think about my case as it has been worrying me very very much.


I'm a chinese living in China. I've to admit that my english is probably not good enough to make you all
understand my case. So, I explain my case in points form and hope I'd get some advices from anyone of you.

1) I'd unprotected (no condom was used in the oral) oral sex with a whiteman whose HIV status is unknown
   yet for me a month ago (we are both gays). He claimed that he has had sex before with other guys
   but I'm not sure if those are protected or unprotected sex. And this was my first sex experience.


2) What worries me is: I had given him oral (i gave, he received) for around 10-20 minutes. No ejaculation
    but there was precum from his penis (i'm sure) when I performed the oral. I believe I have swallowed some
    of his precum with my saliva during the course.  There is no bleeding from his penis (only precum). But I
    had ulsers then (indeed I've uslers all the time long before I've this experience with him). Sometimes some
    of my ulsers bleed but most of the time they didn't. I'm sure my ulsers did not bleed before and after the oral
    as I gargled my throat and found no blood then.

3) I fell sick exactly a week after. My throat was so painful with sputum, and I'd a very mild fever. I recovered
   after around 10 days.  

So, my questions are:

(A) I'm prettry sure I won't get infected if he is HIV-, but What is the risk of infection (i mean the probability) in my
    case assuming that he is HIV+?
    I know I need to test it with doctor 3 months after but I would like to get your advices first before I go ahead with it
    as I might lose my job if I was infected. The hospital here might inform both the government and my employer here.

(B) Should we both use condom next time when we have oral sex again? We've now become partner.


Thank you all very much.

[shenhua]

對不起我不是在中國，我對中國醫院對艾滋病檢查會不會對其他人保密我不太清楚。我想應該沒有問題吧，因為我朋友沒多久之前剛去檢查過。  如果要是醫院不會給他保密的話我想他也應該不會去檢查。  當你去檢查的時候如果他們有保證他們不會透露的話就去檢查檢查。  在美國我們檢查的時候他們都會讓我們簽一份合同的，他們會保證不會透露給第二方人士。 我兩個月里已經檢查過4次，下個月再去檢查檢查。  我想你應該沒事的。
也許是因為你太焦慮了所以才會有些反應。  

[robkfromphilly]

There is A LOT of "conservative" info out on the internet about HIV transmission, most of it far-fetched other then real penetrative risks (ex; unprotected anal/vaginal sex) which you didn't experience. If you have such a pressing need to test, test at 6 weeks, and collect your negative, and move on, most people whom are not immuno-supressed will test accurately at this time, even according to Massachusetts, many LA/SF Clinics, etc. But you really had no risk, move on. I did.

[emliv]

很高兴在这能碰到一位像你这样和我有一样背景和相同经验的人与我分享。我会去检查的。但我很担心会连工作也失去假设结果是阳性的话。我们中国这里的艾滋检测医院真是会将我们的资料保密不让政府或雇主知道吗？ 能否给我一些建议我该到那里（北京）检查才安全可靠呢？ 你也在北京吗？ 再次谢谢你。

[emliv]

Thanks for the advice. But mind telling why you think I didn't put myself at risk in my case assuming that the man in my case is HIV+?  Is it because you believe having unprotected oral sex with someone who is HIV+ would not cause the infection or the chance to get infected is extremely low, so low so that one can actually ignore it?

[emliv]

I've read many articles (both in english and in mandarin) ragarding the correlation between HIV infection and precum including some from Dr. Bob. And just as what you mentioned, some said there is no risk at all, while some other said there is slight risk. And this is what confuses me as I know almost every single case has different possibility in terms of the infection. So, in your opinion, mind to tell the risk exposure of my case? Let's say it in 1/1,000, 1/10,000, or 1/100,000. Or simply very low, low, medium, high, or extremely high? I know I'm probably asking to much but i sincerely hope you'd give advice on this.

Yes, getting a trusted clinic to have HIV test in China here is not as easy as in western countries as we all here are quite worried that the result (no matter is - or +) will be known by government or employers although many clinics here claim that they will keep everything in high confidential manner. But believe me, many people like me here doubt it. So, people here are rather not go for the test although they suspect they are in high risk to exposure. As a result, the number of HIV infection cases is soaring high up from years to years. Guess we need a better policy to encourage or to give confidence people here to go for the test. Hope what i explain makes you clear about what we have here in China.

Thank you again, Ice_Man (Cool name anyway :)

[shenhua]

還是去做個檢查會比較安心些。
記住下次做的時候要帶 安全套。
我也給人家oral 過，我想應該沒事吧。
祝你好運

[Teak]

You were never at risk of contracting HIV by the oral sex situation.  

[Ice_Man]

Hi, many very knowledgable about HIV infection would say you have no risk at all from giving oral sex. Others, say there is a slight risk, particularily for the partner who gives the oral to a man. If you haven't, you should read some of dr. Bob's writing in the body . co m. but he answers peoples questions in that thread. This being said, it's very little risk you have from your single act with the ,,white-man" ;0)

I don't know but guess it's not the easiest thing to get hiv tested in China? You should if you can and actually you should test for other STD's aswell, many of which is transmitted much easier then the HIV.