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Is there HIV

Dear hunter handsfield m.d.

I'm a male 23 from malaysia . Never had vaginal sex in my life, on October 6 2013, went to a massage place,  practically those was sex workers. Friends compelling made me loose my mind and went in. After some light massage she put the condom ( condom was provided by her) on me. I'm not circumcised and my fore skin was not fully pulled back wen the condom was placed. She performed oral on me, (the first time I'm receiving oral in my life), for about 1 minute and i got my sense and asked her to stop. Then i was just touching her clitoris which was slight wet and i masturbated my self while the condom was still on me. After a while the condom was removed and i went out. All this happened within 15 minutes which makes me regret and and mentally haunts me till today. Then i after a week i was sick, and food reflux and went to meet doc. I had some red spots and small bumps which was not painful or itchy. I went testing for HIV 17th day after expose, ELISA came negative. Then at week 5 i did rapid test with finger prick came negative, then at week 7 had done Elisa again it comes negative.  What bothers me is I'm having some night sweats while sleeping (when i wake up in the morning i find my pillow and tshirt damp.I'm feeling dehydrated along the day and muscle twitches at times. I'm sorry the thread is long. I also lost some serious weight which could also be because I stopped fast food and only consuming home cook food. What bothers me is could i contract HIV? As far as I have read no HIV is transmitted the way i explained, but most of the symptoms is really scaring me out loosing my focus from my daily life and it's very depressing. Pleaseeeeeee help me with your advice. I'm sexually NOT active this massage was the only encounter. Is the 3 test conclusive or do i need to i wait for another 2 weeks and make it into 3 months and get tested again for the fourth time? Pls help me DR. Hunters handsfield.


Very confused and depressing guy waiting for your answer sir.
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Maybe in the neighborhood of two lunches with desert at the student cafeteria.
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Your posted event cannot even remotely lead to HIV infection!

Your decision to avoid fast food and only eat home cooked meals is something we could sorely need on this side of the pond.

In no way shape or form were you ever even close on being infected with HIV !
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BTW,

If you want an answer from Dr Handsfield you must post in the expert forum.
Small fee required .
You need a credit card.
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Thanks very much. I'm very concerned on the symptoms that i develop. There is no rash but the bumps comes and disappear it self, dry skin, chapped lips, I'm worried, but everyone i talk to says that there is no chance for HIV. But i just would like to be sure from the experts here.
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How much would it cost for dr hunter handfield? I dont have a credit card and I'm a student. If I know the charges probably i can prepare some. Thanks a lot you have been very very helpful and easing my mind.
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I am sorry but I cannot give advice on symptoms.

What you originally posted about your exposure event  it is not even remotely linked to HIV risk behaviour.
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Maybe in the neighborhood of two lunches with desert at the student cafeteria.
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Because that's the only event that took place. So can i be sure it could not be HIV. I did twice the full std test in private clinic and lab here in malaysia. At 17th day and 7 weeks. Both came negative
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"Never had vaginal sex in my life,"

-Clue number one

" on October 6 2013, went to a massage place,  practically those was sex workers. Friends compelling made me loose my mind and went in."

-useless information

"After some light massage"

- no risk

" she put the condom ( condom was provided by her) on me."

- irrelevant


" I'm not circumcised and my fore skin was not fully pulled back wen the condom was placed. She performed oral on me,

- irrelevant

"(the first time I'm receiving oral in my life), for about 1 minute and i got my sense and asked her to stop."

-wrong sense.....get married and you'll know whatt I mean.


"Then i was just touching her clitoris which was slight wet and i masturbated my self while the condom was still on me. After a while the condom was removed and i went out. "

-not a risk
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HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

HIV is transmitted by;
Unprotected penetrative anal and/or vaginal sex
Sharing works with other IV drug users
Mother to child
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The one minute of oral she performed on me..? Isn't it risky. There was a condom provided by her and I'm not sure on the quality. My weight has decreased drastically.
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No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228

AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.

Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:

Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;

Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.

There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex. The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way. Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk". There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".
DR. HANSFIELD

"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Please educate yourself about the real risks. If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. " DR HANSFIELD

"I am sure you can find lots of people who believe that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..." DR HOOK

"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK

in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?
I TOTALLY AGREE / DR GARCIA
"HIV is not spread by masturbation, through oral sex, through kissing or other casual contact." Dr. Hook
"The observation on thousands and thousands of observations is that HIV is not spread by oral sex (of any sort)." DR HOOK
"I would not say your risk ,if he had HIV is "slim to none"- that's too high.  I would say they are effectively zero.  How much of his ejaculate or other genital  secretions you may have swallowed makes no difference.  EWH "
"As far as HIV is concerned, there is no known risk of getting HIV from performing oral sex on an infected partner, even if that person's genital secretions get into your eyes or if you swallow." Dr.Hook
HIV is not spread by oral sex, giving or receiving, even if sores, gum disease or blood is present
DR HOOK
The fact is that there are no cases in which HIV has been proven to be transmitted by oral sex, including fellatio..  EWH
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Thanks teak. Thanks for clarifying this to me in detail. So according to my incident i can be positive that there is no HIV and continue my life normal?
Thank you very much. Thanks.
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