Oral sex is obviously no risk but without ejaculation with only one brief encounter is it possible

Today I woke up to what I would describe as the same day as yesterday which I've been having for about seven weeks now. Ever since my encounter each day feel like the next. It almost though it's like a recurring nightmare or say a groundhog day recurrence which I can not wake up from or escape. And honest to God I would have never have thought I could have made it this far, but then again, here I am.  Each day feels like the next. Since the encounter my days usually consist of waking up in the afternoon, compulsively brushing and/or probing my teeth and mouth with a damn spot light, especially around the gum lines that support my recently acquired toothache and then I obsessively thinking about my risk assessment and becoming HIV positive. It almost happens instantly. I wake up and then think about this stuff all day. Now I never seem to remember much about my dreams but what I can say is that they're not very nice. I know this because ever since the encounter I've been having frequent bad dreams and when I wake up, I usually wake up in a terrible traumatic state covered in sweet and with this heightened sense of an impending fear/doom. I keep thinking to myself about how different things were before and how hard life would become living with HIV. It's like an obsessive fear. And most of the time I just feel as though I got caught up in all this anxiety because of all the conflicting information and lack of conclusive evidence and statistics to reassure me of my risk. All these so called experts, doctors, health advisors, nurses keep tell me that my exposure was a very very low risk, near to none but then again nothing in life is no risk because maybe hundreds have claimed to have got it by this way - of course, against the tens of millions of documented cases out there and the millions to billions of unprotected oral sex acts. Now I can say that most of the claims are unreliable, but then again I highly doubt it that they our all lying, and it seems to happen even more rarely without ejaculation (maybe only a handful of cases since the epidemic) and, if so, maybe never from one single brief encounter; even though I am clearly aware that transmission can occur from one sexual encounter. Now I have had no previous STDs, allergies, open cuts, sores or ulcers in the mouth nor anything like step throat or sore throat but occasionally (maybe once or twice a month, if at all) I have very mild gum bleeding when brushing. But then again I didn't notice any bleeding on that day, especially when I spat out after the instance. However I did unfortunately brush my teeth 2 to 3 hours before the instance which may have formed some kind of invisible scratches or abrasions around my gums and this is what I am worry about the most. Please please can someone shed some light on this situation. Could it have happen like this and/or has it ever happened like this before or does no one know. It's was man to man oral sex without ejaculation, most probably pre-cum and it lasted only a few minutes. I met this person on-line and he told me that he's clean but then again who knows. 

[NickOne7]

Still NO RISK !

[Teak]

You didn't have a risk. Oral sex does not transmit HIV.

[john482]

Teak, no offence intended, but there have many been reported cases where oral sex has transmitted the virus, even my health advisor admits it and hes been investigating cases on a regular bases for the past 15 years. Saying oral sex is no risk is potentially very dangerous and misinforming. In fact, more and more people are claiming infection through oral sex since the 80s and 90s which suggests that 1) more people are exclusively have unprotected oral sex 2) or more people are lying. Logically I would say that the increased amount of claims are due to all the inaccurate information out there. Kill a hand full of people to save a million. It's immoral and a huge disservice to humanity. Maybe not in my particular case but in others (serve oral damage, other STDs, repeated exposure, cum in the mouth) it would definitely constitute as a possible risk, not theroically but documented.

[NickOne7]

These statements are from the MedHepl EXPERTS!

"I am sure you can find lots of people who belive that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..."   DR HOOK

There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex.  The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way.  Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk".  There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".
DR. HANSFIELD

"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex.  Please educate yourself about the real risks.  If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. "   DR HANSFIELD

"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK

in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?  
I TOTALLY AGREE / DR GARCIA

[john482]

Thanks for all yours comments. And yes I do feel a bit better now but naturally I'll definitely feel anxious again until the test. If anyone knows, could you please estimate for me my risk, such as 1/1000 - 1/1250 - 1/10000 or is it in the millions or will it never happen? Or should I even get tested? By the way I am from the UK.

[Teak]

Zero.

[john482]

Hypothesis, if I were to become HIV positive by the way I mentioned above and my case was proven then would I be the first person in the western world to have contracted the infected this way. Man to man oral sex which lasted for only about 2 to 4 minutes without ejaculation but with a very small amount of pre-cum. I also have occasional bleeding when I brush my teeth (possibly very mild gum disease as the left side of my mouth is more sensitive than the right) but no signs of bleeding during the encounter and after I spat out the saliva and precum. So if it happened would you believe me or just think that I am lying or maybe too insignificant to worry about. If there was indeed a zero risk then please could explain this to me because more and more I'm think science doesn't really know the right answer, and if I think about it logically I think that it is possible.

[john482]

Basically, the only thing I am really worried about our my gums - no receding lines but they look a bit purplish and since I've got this new toothbrush they occasionally bleed, which tells me that they are weak. Nothing else, and especially nothing majore like sores or cuts but I brushed abou 2/3 before. Could the visus have had absorred  through my weakened gums or got into my bloodstream from the tiny/invisible scrapes from the brushing?

[Teak]

You never had a risk as you have already been advised.

[john482]

If precum can transmit the visus and there are slight opening or say slight inflammations on the gums then transmission can occur. I know saliva helps inactivate the visus but it's proven to not be bullet proof. If transmission only takes minutes then it's possible. Unlikely I know but possible. I would really appreciate it if someone could run me through my case and explain to me how it can not happen, taking into to account what I have posted. And teak/nick I really do appreciate all your support (from the bottom of my heart) I am just not really myself lately and very argumentative. It's hard when your heads moving from side to side, like a confused puppy, not know what's going on.

[Teak]

No. You never had a risk and that is the same answer you will receive if you continue to ask.

[john482]

I knows it's allot to ask but it would be easier to believe these no risk statements if someone were to just fully explain themselves. You say no risk, the NHS says 1/1250, somethings just not right.

[Teak]

You never had a risk and that is the same answer you will receive if you continue to ask.

[john482]

Please can anyone explain to me why the NHS estimates 1/1250 per oral sex acts and others say no risk? Has anyone or any group extensively reviewed these types of cases since the epidemic and could reassure me that I would be probably be the first person in history to have ever contracted the disease this way? I obviously have somesort of health anxiety, and could really do with a comprehensive explaination. Just saying no risk doesn't really help the state I am in. Sorry.

[biggamejames]

Why don't you just test and get over your anxiety.

[john482]

Why does everyone in this forum keep avoiding my questions?

[NickOne7]

An estimated risk from other sites ARE NOT FACT.  We are stating FACT - HIV has never been transmitted via oral sex thats all there is to it.

As Teak has told you over and over again YOU HAD NO RISK!

[john482]

The NHS isn't a just another site; it's the British National Health Service - who's research and facts are probably allot more accurate than yours. Your no risks statements are even contradictory to some of the other posts from doctors on this site. And there have been many people (I.e. from other forums, such as the body) who have clearly stated that they got HIV from oral sex alone and have shown no reason to lie. It's anonymous. Why would so many people lie anonymously. And how do you know it hasn't been contracted from oral sex: have you or anyone else reviewed all the case since the epidemic. I highly doubt it. Personally, I don't think anyone really knows: and the gaps are just filled in with speculations and opinions. My logic tells me that it is highly unlikely, especially without ejaculation, but under certain conditions it could happen.

[NickOne7]

We will not debate with you on this!  You can believe what you want, but if you come on here seeking information different than what I have told you above, you are not going to find it. I am not sure why you come ask questions on here if you "Think" you have the answers. Oral sex is not a risk!

Again this is from the Experts NOT random people telling story's  

These statements are from the MedHepl EXPERTS!

"I am sure you can find lots of people who belive that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..."   DR HOOK

There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex.  The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way.  Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk".  There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".
DR. HANSFIELD

"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex.  Please educate yourself about the real risks.  If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. "   DR HANSFIELD

"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK

in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?  
I TOTALLY AGREE / DR GARCIA

[LIZZIE LOU]

and you believe "peer report" over "scientific evidence" ? ?  HA ! ! !

[Teak]

We don't do statistic on this forum, if we did yours would be zero.

[john482]

Good science is based on good observation. I am just interested in the increased oral sex claims in regards to all the missing links in our scientific evidence. There is still more to learn about this virus. Looking at every aspect of the virus and then helping people to understand their concerns is allot better than posting vage comments like I am stupid or something. Anyways thanks again for all comments. God bless.

[blokecalledkev]

Hi there,

Regarding your question about precum, I will offer you this from The San Francisco AIDS Foundation and hope it clarifies your anxieties.

"There is no conclusive evidence that pre-cum transmits HIV, but some studies suggest that HIV is present in this fluid. Although HIV may be present in pre-cum, it is in very small amounts, and the mouth is not an easy path for transmission"

Basically, as stated , no risk.

Regards Kevin.