Question: knowledge that might benefit the forum

I've a question that's been nagging me and that might benefit the forum because I've noticed a lot of people come on here with this type of risk.

The famous genital rubbing but no penetration = no risk, even with vaginal secretions involved.

Here's my question though: why, even with vaginal secretions, is the risk zero? We've all been taught that HIV resides in semen, blood, and vaginal secretions (and breastmilk), so how can wet vaginal secretions that gets on a man's penis during genital rubbing be considered no risk? The secretions are being massaged into the mucousal surfaces of the penis head and urethra so how is this no risk?

I can already anticipate the answers: it's because HIV deactivates when it is exposed to the air and that this is the reason HIV can only transmit inside the body. But HIV doesn't deactivate instantly, it takes some time and within that time, couldn't infection occur? Dried vaginal secretions are for sure zero risk, but the secretions people are talking about when they come to this forum about this risk is always questioning wet vaginal secretions.

Has a study been done on this? Does anyone have any concrete evidence that shows that vaginal secretions, semen, and blood outside of the body does not transmit HIV? I guess I'm looking for that same kind of post that Teak and Lizzie sometimes leave on people's threads when they ask about oral sex and how it references expert opinions and scientific journals/studies.

Like I said, this isn't just for my own knowledge, but I think it would benefit the forum as a whole and its worried wells to calm down that much easier.

Thanks, and I hope this thread doesn't annoy anyone and that I'm only trying to help.

[Teak]

Why does repeating the answers all over again make a difference? Had you looked that question has been answered a thousand times on this forum.

[rue291]

I understand that it's been answered but if a man's penis is soaked in vaginal secretions from genital rubbing and no penetration, how doesn't that infect? The vaginal secretions are still wet, meaning that HIV is still active. HIV doesn't just deactivate instantly upon hitting the air; in that time it could infect. At least, that's what the people with this kind of scenario come on the forum and think and are scared about.

If HIV does die within seconds of being exposed to air, why can't those seconds lead to infection?

[Teak]

HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.