Re: vaginal fluids -- are the following statements true?

Hi, I recently got a handjob where possible vaginal and anal secretions were on the hands / fingers of the handjob giver.  I found the following post from another forum, and was wondering if it was scientifically accurate:


The infectious sexual fluid a woman produces is the cervicovaginal fluid, which is actually a thick mucus which covers and protectes the cervix. When a person has unprotected vaginal intercourse, the head of the penis - which is the bit vulnerable to infection - repeatedly bangs up against the cervix, deep in the vagina.

The lubricating fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have not found one shred of evidence that this lubricating fluid is any more infectious than sweat or tears, which are NOT infectious.

So, not only is this lubricating fluid not one to worry about, but when it is used as lube for masturbation, this takes place OUTSIDE the body. Hiv is very fragile and quickly becomes damaged and unable to infect when outside the body. So even if there were some virus present, it would not be viable and able to infect.

Getting a handjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection, regardless of using bodily secretions as lube.

[LIZZIE LOU]

TRUE

[unadon]

What about HPV or other STDs, can it be spread this way?

[NickOne7]

Masturbating is not a risk for STDs

[Pbates]

I was wondering if you can take a look at my last post and give some insite.. I have a test scheduled today and if i dont need to test i really could save my 200 bucks.. thansk in advance

[LIZZIE LOU]

you NEVER had a risk...kindly move on.

[NickOne7]

Listen to LIZZIE, I would tell you the same thing!

[unadon]

so in my situation (not pbates), where the CSW had vaginal fluids and anal secretions on her fingers which came into contact with my penis and possibly my urethra< is there absolutely no risk of hiv infection?  

[LIZZIE LOU]

NO RISK

[unadon]

I've read that there needs to be a LOT of vaginal fluids in order to infect out of body in this way?  Is this true?  How much is a lot?  Is it even possible to infect in this manner at all?

[LIZZIE LOU]

hiv is not transmitted outside it's host.

go back and re-read your first post above.  YOU HAD NO RISK.

[Twix89]

Does that mean, men with smaller than average length have bit smaller risk as they won't reach the cervix?

[LIZZIE LOU]

you cant judge one's risk by the size of his penis !

[unadon]

I"d really appreciate a response to my last post.  Thanks.

[unadon]

I'd really appreciate a response to my last post.  Thanks.

[Vance2335]

You were answered. Risk has nothing to do with size.

[Twix89]

Does sex worker doing a family plannig such Tubal ligation (tying tubes) contribute to the risk? Does that make it higher or lower?

[NickOne7]

Keep your questions on your own thread, it has been answered there.

[unadon]

There are a lot of conflicting information on the web about this.  Some people say that handjobs with fluids on the hands are a risk for HIV but others like this site say it is categorically and absolutely not a risk.  I do hope that it is in the latter category but it is not clear to me from this forum what are the scientific reasons for this, even if there were vaginal  (not cervical) fluids or anal  secretions on the hand giving a handjob?

Is it one or more of the following reasons: (i) that exterior vaginal secretions are not HIV infectious because the HIV infectious liquid comes from deep inside the cervix; (ii) there needs to be a lot of fluid or secretions to infect with HIV and it is not possible to carry enough fluid on the hands to infect; (iii) the hiv virus is not infectious outside of the body (even if it is just a few seconds outside the body); (iv) hiv infectious fluid needs to be rubbed vigorously into the urethra of the penis and this does not occur during a handjob?

Have there every been any reported cases in the history of HIV where someone got infected from a handjob because of blood, semen, vaginal fluid on the hands?

[Teak]

What were told on AidsMeds? Our answers aren't going to be any different.

[unadon]

I guess I'm just looking for rational, scientific reasons why there is no risk in this situation.

[Teak]

You have been given the reason HIV is not transmitted in that matter.

HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.