White tongue-To Teak

Is white furry tongue or may be thrush is a primary symptom of hiv infection?
What is the percentage?
Have you seen this in new hiv infections??

[bluebell81]

thrush is present in later stages of HIV.

Try brushing your tongue with a toothbrush and toothpaste. I bet it will go away. Its called PLAQUE.

[abcdlr111]

I had the same problem...I found just brushing my tongue took away most of it.  There is still some whiteness in the back but from what i understand a little whiteness is normal.

[coz80]

no it is not plaque ..........plaque this is what you see in the morning after waking up.
Mine is complete white furry tongue with white pin like dots on it and when i brush it i can scrap some part of it but not all.after 2 hours it is again completely coated.is it OHL???????/
I am using good brushing with tongue cleaner and mouth wash but it is not going........
Now i am completely lost with this and just wondering what is this.
is it a sign of ARS??

[bigdummy]

I have this too.

[coz80]

do not have courage to go to a doc.  before my 16 week test

[peekawho]

Stop looking at it, and stop attacking it with toothbrushes and cleansers.  It will make it worse.

If you are really bothered, go show it to a dentist.  

[coz80]

if he asks for a hiv test then...
this is risky.....

[coz80]

7 days left

[peekawho]

I didn't say go to a doctor.  I said, if your furry white tongue bothers you, get your @ss to a DENTIST and ASK what is wrong with it.  

[mike_no]

You are a psycho, you need mental help, you don't have HIV, who in the earth has told you about 16 week's window?

12 wee'ks conclusive and you don't have the virus.

See a psychiatrist

[coz80]

mike I had a 11 week(not 12) test you know 77 days hiv ag/ab and p24 combo test.I do not know the sensivity about this test. is this elisa??
Just can not move on now@77 days........:=((
16 weeks I am opting because the only I can go to the test center.
sorry for the trouble

[mike_no]

OMG, you had a IV generation test, the best antibody test and my guess is you got it from metropolis, right ?

[coz80]

It was in India at a reputed testing lab.
I can not say it was third or fourth gen because nothing was mentioned as automated CMIA so this was third generation I think??

[mike_no]

I know where you got this test from and for your information it's the IV gen antibody test.
1. you had protected sex, no risk
2. 11 weeks IV gen test negative = conclusively HIV negative.

[mike_no]

BTW, at 6 week and + , generation of tests doesn't matter.

[coz80]

Thanks Mike,
Actually I do live in Mumbai but taken the test in Dr lal pathlabs Delhi.
Test was HIV 1 / HIV 2 ANTIBODY & p 24 ANTIGEN COMBO TEST .
what is the diff. between duo and combo test.
see below
"Dear Enquirer,
HIV Duo test gives reliable results between two to six weeks of exposure as it detects the p24 antigen which is present during that period. This test gives an indication of the presence of the virus, it needs to be confirmed by antibody tests after three months."


11 weeks was not a good time??

[mike_no]

It is the same thing, it's a duo test which detects the p24 antigen and antibodies simultaneously, you need to understand that you don't have HIV and you've got the best test that money van buy.

Please seek mental help, HIV is not your problem.

[coz80]

I have seen a graph where I have seen that during ARS also the CD4 cells drops down to a level and then fights back.
This symptom can also be there during this LOW CD4 stage???

[MelvinG1]

white tongue is cause by anxiety, depression and stress, its not an HIV symptoms, its more when you develop in Aids stages, when your immune system is really supress and can't fight HIV any more.

[MelvinG1]

you need some counseling for your HIV fears and anxieties. Please, stop the fears, and get to the level of real life. Stress causes many thing such as white tongue, dry mouth, etc....I had them all. I had all the symptoms, from fever, to white tongue, to diarrhea, muscle aching, etc...symptoms don't mean anything, if you're not sure of your HIV status, take a 3 month hiv test.

[mike_no]

First and foremost, you were condom protected, you never had a risk.

[coz80]

Thanks Mike
I pray for the same!!
coz

[Teak]

What is this? "white tongue is cause by anxiety, depression and stress, its not an HIV symptoms, its more when you develop in Aids stages, when your immune system is really supress and can't fight HIV any more."

Anyone can have a white tongue hiv- or positive. Thrush is not specific to HIV, any one can have thrush, positive or negative for HIV.

[coz80]

so white tongue is not caused by anxiety, depression and stress.
man I can not get out of this.....................
Teak have you seen of getting thrush in new hiv infections as a symptom.
Now I think we all are only living on chances or luck....

[Teak]

I've seen babies with Thrush and they were HIV negative. Stop with the symptom hunting.

[kimoz]

I have white furry tongue too, exactly like yours, white pin like dots all over the top, so I totally understand what you mean. In fact, my tongue really look like a mess sometimes, especially in morning, although I have also found out that eating chips would actually help to lessen the condition, how strange.
I have read it is could sign of viral infection, or chronic viral illness, or toxins in blood, or heavy smoking, or many other things as well. It is not necessary a sign of any incurable disease though.
Here's a some good read about white coated tongue:
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles17/colon-29.shtml

[coz80]

hey kimoz thanks for the link
actually I am not able to understand what is happening with my body...........
just praying and hope to get rid of all this............

[coz80]

do you still have visible blood vessels like red spots  in you throat??
mine is not going away.
I also have 2 or 3 small ulcers on the upper side of my tongue.
do you think eating chips will really help??

[mike_no]

I'm sure that by now you might have bought at least 10 packets of Ruffles Lays and eaten all of em'

I'm ready for a new post from you tomorrow

"Why does my fart smells so bad, is that an HIV symptom"

[coz80]

yes I am taking it seriously......
May be Sodium Chlo. will have some impact on it.
you know kimoz has exact same symptoms as me with the same timing......what a coincidence

[mike_no]

Cuz you both are anxious at the same time, what a co-incidence !

[coz80]

I hope this only because of stress and anxiety but...
anxiety can not cause white furry tongue??
stress can not create night sweats??
stress con not cause swollen nodes??
anxiety can not cause extreme fatigue for two and half  months??
stress can not cause yellow pink patch/skin rash of 3.5 inch?
and if it is because stress and anxiety then how it can be that suddenly after week 13 everything is ok except tongue and nodes problem.
I think the test at 11 week was right??.......the lab messed up the things
I have seen the results on internet there could be false data entry.....??

[kimoz]

The back of my throat still doesn't look good, its been going on for months, no pain though, just disgusting look. Eating chips can only help to make it look better temproary, plus I enjoy eating chips too, but that said it probably helps nothing at all, doesn't hurt much though.

[coz80]

yes it doesnt heart but look like very red coloured...
In my tongue also I do not feel any pain but dense white coating........
I think my smoking habit could be the reason of 11 week negative.??
have you seen a doc for your throat??
only 5-6 days more to count down.......
I will never be the same again??   :=((
either this is XXX or some very strange virus or something??
I have seen few people on net with same conditions but with 12/13 week negative.
This miracle is my only hope.......

[Teak]

Read for your enjoyment.

http://mayoclinic.com/health/stress-symptoms/SR00008_D

http://www.medicinenet.com/anxiety/article.htm

[kimoz]

Teak I understand what you think here, but please don't assume us all are suffering from stress or anxiety symptoms or something. We have real health concerns here, and it does look like XXX or some very strange virus as coz80 would say. Anxiety won't give people swollen lymph nodes and white furry tongue, but virus could.
Coz80 I really have no idea what is this, I have heard from another person who got similar symtoms (symptoms) too,  or even worst. She is conclusively negative but still suffer badly from symptoms. Most of her doctors still worried it could be XXX or something because of her symptoms, but again she is conclusively negative even today so they don't really know what is it. There are definitely some strange unknown virus around, just hope it is not as deadly as XXX, maybe some type of mono hopefully.

[coz80]

I will know it in 5-6 days.......
This time with antibody and DNA PCR...
I agree with Kimoz.............................
Is that lady is suffering with the same symptoms as we do??

[coz80]

nobody has said conclusive it is not XXX.
Still counting days to know........
sorry for the trouble

[Teak]

This is an HIV site, not a guess what your illness is site and if it doesn't have anything to do with HIV take it to another forum. Medhelp has a lot of forums, take a pick.

[kimoz]

Well from what I remember her symptoms were lot worst, she has extreme symptoms for nearly a year. She still has these oral/throat problems, rash, swollen lymph nodes and she has done every test out there possible but doctors there still couldn't find out the cause. But I guess the similarity is that these symtoms (symptoms) are all viral nature (oral/throat problems, swollen nodes etc).

[kimoz]

I did actually. Trust me the Undiagnosed Symptoms forum here doesn't help at all.
But I guess you are right, you surely know your stuff well and like everyone else here I do take your advice seriously too. But sometimes we just want to share some concerns/get some support, especially when we have similar symptoms/concerns here that's the kind of site that we are able to help each other out. Sorry for the trouble though.

[coz80]

hope and pray this is not xxx.